**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 09 02:59:57 2009
Jun 09 03:53:21 <fredrin> quite day
Jun 09 03:53:25 <fredrin> mondays 
Jun 09 03:53:29 <fredrin> or what
Jun 09 04:08:36 <|if3_> was there really a fix with the audio buzz bug?
Jun 09 04:08:42 * |if3_ visits mailling list
Jun 09 04:12:07 <fredrin> |if3_: depends on the hardware revisions 
Jun 09 04:12:20 <|if3_> gta02
Jun 09 04:12:24 <|if3_> a6 I believe
Jun 09 04:12:30 <fredrin> A5 and A6 dont not, but A7 got the fix
Jun 09 04:12:40 <fredrin> afak 
Jun 09 04:12:51 <fredrin> versions of GTA02
Jun 09 04:15:42 <|if3_> weird
Jun 09 04:16:03 <|if3_> I got a message from SDGSYSTEMS that they have some sort of workaround for A5/A6 to fix that audio bug
Jun 09 04:16:12 <ndnihil> I got that one too
Jun 09 04:17:40 <|if3_> crazy
Jun 09 04:17:41 <|if3_> idk
Jun 09 04:18:51 <|if3_> I kinda wanna ship it back to them if they can gaurantee that it's fixable.
Jun 09 04:18:56 <|if3_> but im not totally 100%
Jun 09 04:19:04 <|if3_> that and I don't wanna drop 100$ to get it 'fixed'
Jun 09 04:19:29 <ndnihil> its just one small SMD component
Jun 09 04:19:34 <ndnihil> resistor or a cap or something
Jun 09 04:19:57 <ndnihil> $0.12 part
Jun 09 04:20:15 <|if3_> :|
Jun 09 04:20:27 <|if3_> fuck that, if I find out im doing it my self lol
Jun 09 04:20:35 <ndnihil> there is a wiki entry for it
Jun 09 04:20:40 <|if3_> :o
Jun 09 04:20:43 <ndnihil> you should have previous SMD experience though
Jun 09 04:20:44 <|if3_> on the forums?
Jun 09 04:20:51 <|if3_> SMD?
Jun 09 04:20:53 <ndnihil> wiki != forums
Jun 09 04:20:59 <ndnihil> heh, send it in
Jun 09 04:21:05 <ndnihil> SMD = surface mount device
Jun 09 04:21:08 <ndnihil> very small
Jun 09 04:21:12 <|if3_> erm, i meant on the openmoko wiki *
Jun 09 04:21:16 <ndnihil> and difficult to solder by hand
Jun 09 04:21:20 <|if3_> ohh
Jun 09 04:21:22 <|if3_> fair enough
Jun 09 04:21:24 <|if3_> :P
Jun 09 04:21:42 <|if3_> ima need to image this beast before I send it in though
Jun 09 04:21:47 <|if3_> just incase they fuck it up. lol
Jun 09 04:22:01 <|if3_> flash it with the original software
Jun 09 04:22:10 <|if3_> hmm
Jun 09 04:22:14 <ndnihil> why?
Jun 09 04:22:19 <ndnihil> they dont care what you've installed to it
Jun 09 04:22:24 <ndnihil> back your stuff up no doubt
Jun 09 04:22:30 <|if3_> yeah exactly
Jun 09 04:22:33 <ndnihil> but no reason to reflash it back to original
Jun 09 04:22:45 <ndnihil> just wipe out the nudie pics of your girlfriend
Jun 09 04:22:46 <|if3_> but say mr.joe has to flash it for what ever reason; comes into work hung over or so
Jun 09 04:22:51 <|if3_> lmfao
Jun 09 04:27:03 <|if3_> wow
Jun 09 04:27:09 <|if3_> barely noticable except for the people calling me
Jun 09 04:27:35 <|if3_> i guess it'll be better if I drop the 100 bucks
Jun 09 04:27:49 <|if3_> anywho, ima hit the road, be back later
Jun 09 04:27:53 <|if3_> thanks ndnihil :D
Jun 09 04:27:58 <ndnihil> np
Jun 09 04:28:01 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * r6225f019602e 10/src/monitor.vala: Only restart service for specific errors
Jun 09 04:28:03 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * r7f689b7558cf 10/src/fso.vala: Handle unhandled GLib.Error in restart()
Jun 09 04:28:25 <|if3_> slightly wish I waited a few weeks before getting my phone, woulda saved 100$ haha
Jun 09 04:28:33 * |if3_ is cheap
Jun 09 04:28:38 <|if3_> though, I'll pay for opensource any day
Jun 09 04:28:41 <ndnihil> dont feel bad
Jun 09 04:28:47 <ndnihil> 2 days after I ordered mine
Jun 09 04:28:51 <ndnihil> they dropped the price by $100
Jun 09 04:28:57 <|if3_> LOL! NO WAY
Jun 09 04:29:01 <ndnihil> yup
Jun 09 04:29:04 <ndnihil> I paid $399
Jun 09 04:29:08 <ndnihil> they dropped it to $299
Jun 09 04:29:18 <|if3_> ohh no doubt
Jun 09 04:29:24 <|if3_> im canadian, so USD > CAD :(
Jun 09 04:29:44 <playya> but you live in a democratic country ;)
Jun 09 04:29:48 <ndnihil> dont feel bad, USD isn't what it used to be
Jun 09 04:30:00 <|if3_> lmao
Jun 09 04:30:17 <|if3_> USD should be cheaper than CAD imo
Jun 09 04:30:29 <doc|work> give it time
Jun 09 04:30:36 <ndnihil> it's all relevant to where you live and what you get paid
Jun 09 04:30:38 <doc|work> there's a lot of legacy in having the reserve currency
Jun 09 04:30:50 <|if3_> obviously slightly biased, but considering that the US GOV'T owes 24USD$ for every citizen of your country to other countries. lol
Jun 09 04:30:56 <ndnihil> compared to where you order your toys from
Jun 09 04:31:14 <doc|work> |if3_: far far more than that,
Jun 09 04:31:20 <|if3_> you sure?
Jun 09 04:31:23 <doc|work> yep
Jun 09 04:31:26 <|if3_> 6trillion/250million
Jun 09 04:31:30 <|if3_> OH
Jun 09 04:31:31 <doc|work> hah
Jun 09 04:31:31 <|if3_> LOL
Jun 09 04:31:32 <|if3_> oops
Jun 09 04:31:38 <|if3_> dropped three decimal points
Jun 09 04:31:38 <|if3_> haha
Jun 09 04:31:45 <|if3_> k I gotta jet, lmao
Jun 09 04:31:45 <doc|work> that was... 8 years and two terms of george bush and one of obama ago
Jun 09 04:31:50 <doc|work> hehe
Jun 09 04:31:51 <doc|work> bye
Jun 09 04:31:56 <|if3_> lmao later gators
Jun 09 04:58:36 <dehqan> hi 2 all , some questions  ; Can other card charger be used to charge FR ?
Jun 09 05:01:07 <lindi-> dehqan: card charger?
Jun 09 05:01:30 <dehqan> car charger 
Jun 09 05:06:37 * fredrin thinks money chino, YEN, could be a good bet in the future. 
Jun 09 05:16:26 <doc|work> fredrin: nah, all currencies are devaluing
Jun 09 05:16:35 <doc|work> fredrin: some more than others, but either way, worth less
Jun 09 05:16:37 <fredrin> true
Jun 09 05:16:44 <doc|work> trick is to find what doesn't
Jun 09 05:16:56 <doc|work> what will go up in price as they do
Jun 09 05:17:15 * mwester is betting on land.
Jun 09 05:17:26 <doc|work> not right now, imo, property is overpriced
Jun 09 05:17:29 <doc|work> maybe in a couple of years
Jun 09 05:17:41 <fredrin> good choice 
Jun 09 05:17:55 <mwester> dunno where you live, but here property has decreased in value 25% in the past two years.
Jun 09 05:18:13 <doc|work> mwester: there's no reason for that to end any time soon
Jun 09 05:18:20 <mwester> And since we're already seeing inflation, that'll end soon.
Jun 09 05:18:38 <doc|work> maybe, but inflation generally shows in assets that people need before assets they want
Jun 09 05:18:46 <mwester> And if we get hyper-inflation, well, property is the only thing of value, although you'll not be able to sell it for a while...
Jun 09 05:18:47 <fredrin> in argentina i guess the prices is more or less the same, a bit lower, but all over cheap compeared to the rest of the world 
Jun 09 05:18:48 <doc|work> but hey, we might see another bubble maybe
Jun 09 05:19:18 <doc|work> mwester: I'd bet on commodities and precious metals over property at this point but to each their own :)
Jun 09 05:19:32 <fredrin> jupp, ther's always a bobble, think it's got something to do with the human mind 
Jun 09 05:19:45 <mwester> energy, gold, and property.  That's my bet.
Jun 09 05:19:56 <doc|work> fredrin: there's not always a bubble. In the past bubbles were very rare. It's only with paper money you get this many.
Jun 09 05:20:03 <mwester> (with what little of my retirement funds yet remain, anyway).
Jun 09 05:20:14 <doc|work> mwester: can't go to far wrong with that group I'd think
Jun 09 05:20:21 <fredrin> if your a net producer instead of consumer, you should be ok 
Jun 09 05:20:34 <mwester> Yeah.  Pity I didn't have that group *before* things fell apart here.
Jun 09 05:20:50 <doc|work> mwester: party isn't over yet :/
Jun 09 05:21:08 <mwester> Nope.  We have three 1/2 more years of it here, guaranteed.
Jun 09 05:21:14 <doc|work> easily
Jun 09 05:21:26 <doc|work> and that's only if they stop screwing with things now, which they likely won't
Jun 09 05:24:17 <mwester> Oh well. :(  I'm young enough to be able to recover from this, and old enough that I enjoyed America before it falls to third-world status.
Jun 09 05:24:40 <doc|work> heh
Jun 09 05:27:41 <fredrin> :) 
Jun 09 05:28:36 <doc|work> we shouldn't laugh, we'll have to foot the bill for this fiasco
Jun 09 05:28:38 <doc|work> :(
Jun 09 05:30:12 <fredrin> i guess, but i think it's more down to individual social groups than WE the nation thing 
Jun 09 05:30:52 <fredrin> and good people makes it, buena onda 
Jun 09 05:31:11 <fredrin> or what ever
Jun 09 05:31:21 <fredrin> better to laugh 
Jun 09 05:31:26 <fredrin> imho 
Jun 09 05:38:25 <doc|work> fredrin: that's not how this works. You're part of the nation. You must pay taxes. 
Jun 09 05:38:40 <doc|work> I don't like it either by the way. It's a dumbass system :)
Jun 09 07:45:16 <Hopscotch> good morning
Jun 09 08:20:46 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r40cfea26da62 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/idlenotifier.py: Revert idlenotifier to 516f48762ab7afa4e4702a0ba01bc0a004ae4c60
Jun 09 08:20:47 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r74fc21962e9b 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/idlenotifier.py: idlenotifier: finally fix #416
Jun 09 09:00:56 <skamster> hello there.. does someone know, how i could install the normal debian on my openmoko without formating the whole sd-card?
Jun 09 09:01:27 <skamster> i just have 3 partitions, 1 + 2 are for the second system
Jun 09 09:01:58 <skamster> but the 3. is for my personal files, and these i don't want to format
Jun 09 09:03:26 <ndnihil> it's uSD, it can't possibly be too large for a quick backup
Jun 09 09:09:17 <skamster> i don't want to make a backup, i had a shr-installation on the internal space.. and on the usd-partition are the config-files, some map-things, etc..
Jun 09 09:09:47 <skamster> i like this structure, so isn't there a possibility to let the 3. partition be?
Jun 09 09:11:02 <skamster> and by the way.. the 3. partition had about 6 gb... if i backup this over the moko, i had about 3 hours or more.. :s
Jun 09 09:11:13 <skamster> (and the adapter isn't in my near)
Jun 09 09:26:08 <methril|work> morning
Jun 09 09:44:01 <badcloud> morning
Jun 09 09:59:54 <admiral0> hi. i can't boot from sd
Jun 09 10:00:00 <admiral0> hi. i can't boot from sd
Jun 09 10:00:07 <admiral0> hi. i can't boot from sd
Jun 09 10:00:14 <admiral0> hi. i can't boot from sd
Jun 09 10:00:21 <admiral0> hi. i can't boot from sd
Jun 09 10:00:21 <admiral0> kernel starts but not init
Jun 09 10:00:27 <admiral0> hi. i can't boot from sd
Jun 09 10:00:27 <admiral0> kernel starts but not init
Jun 09 10:00:33 <admiral0> hi. i can't boot from sd
Jun 09 10:00:33 <admiral0> kernel starts but not init
Jun 09 10:00:37 <dns53> one line please
Jun 09 10:00:41 <admiral0> hi. i can't boot from sd
Jun 09 10:00:41 <admiral0> kernel starts but not init
Jun 09 10:00:41 <admiral0> already tried init=/sbin/init
Jun 09 10:00:45 <leinirAWAY> admiral0: mibbit is being stupid - please quit and try again
Jun 09 10:00:46 <admiral0> hi. i can't boot from sd
Jun 09 10:00:46 <admiral0> kernel starts but not init
Jun 09 10:00:46 <admiral0> already tried init=/sbin/init
Jun 09 10:00:52 <admiral0> hi. i can't boot from sd
Jun 09 10:00:52 <admiral0> kernel starts but not init
Jun 09 10:00:52 <admiral0> already tried init=/sbin/init
Jun 09 10:00:57 <admiral0> hi. i can't boot from sd
Jun 09 10:00:57 <admiral0> kernel starts but not init
Jun 09 10:00:57 <admiral0> already tried init=/sbin/init
Jun 09 10:01:03 <admiral0> hi. i can't boot from sd
Jun 09 10:01:03 <admiral0> kernel starts but not init
Jun 09 10:01:03 <admiral0> already tried init=/sbin/init
Jun 09 10:01:09 <admiral0> hi. i can't boot from sd
Jun 09 10:01:09 <admiral0> kernel starts but not init
Jun 09 10:01:09 <admiral0> already tried init=/sbin/init
Jun 09 10:01:16 <admiral0> hi. i can't boot from sd
Jun 09 10:01:16 <admiral0> kernel starts but not init
Jun 09 10:01:16 <admiral0> already tried init=/sbin/init
Jun 09 10:01:17 <transylvania> no flood kick ?
Jun 09 10:01:21 <admiral0> hi. i can't boot from sd
Jun 09 10:01:21 <admiral0> kernel starts but not init
Jun 09 10:01:21 <admiral0> already tried init=/sbin/init
Jun 09 10:02:24 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:02:31 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:02:31 <admiral0> What should i do?
Jun 09 10:02:37 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:02:37 <admiral0> What should i do?
Jun 09 10:02:42 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:02:42 <admiral0> What should i do?
Jun 09 10:02:49 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:02:49 <admiral0> What should i do?
Jun 09 10:02:55 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:02:55 <admiral0> What should i do?
Jun 09 10:03:01 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:03:01 <admiral0> What should i do?
Jun 09 10:03:09 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:03:09 <admiral0> What should i do?
Jun 09 10:03:16 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:03:16 <admiral0> What should i do?
Jun 09 10:03:22 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:03:22 <admiral0> What should i do?
Jun 09 10:03:28 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:03:28 <admiral0> What should i do?
Jun 09 10:03:34 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:03:34 <admiral0> What should i do?
Jun 09 10:03:40 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:03:40 <admiral0> What should i do?
Jun 09 10:03:46 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:03:46 <admiral0> What should i do?
Jun 09 10:03:52 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:03:52 <admiral0> What should i do?
Jun 09 10:03:59 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:03:59 <admiral0> What should i do?
Jun 09 10:04:05 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:04:05 <admiral0> What should i do?
Jun 09 10:04:14 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:04:14 <admiral0> What should i do?
Jun 09 10:04:19 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:04:19 <admiral0> What should i do?
Jun 09 10:04:25 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:04:25 <admiral0> What should i do?
Jun 09 10:04:32 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:04:32 <admiral0> What should i do?
Jun 09 10:04:39 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:04:39 <admiral0> What should i do?
Jun 09 10:04:46 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:04:46 <admiral0> What should i do?
Jun 09 10:04:46 <admiral0> anyone?
Jun 09 10:04:52 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:04:52 <admiral0> What should i do?
Jun 09 10:04:52 <admiral0> anyone?
Jun 09 10:05:00 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:05:00 <admiral0> What should i do?
Jun 09 10:05:00 <admiral0> anyone?
Jun 09 10:05:07 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:05:07 <admiral0> What should i do?
Jun 09 10:05:07 <admiral0> anyone?
Jun 09 10:05:14 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:05:14 <admiral0> What should i do?
Jun 09 10:05:14 <admiral0> anyone?
Jun 09 10:05:20 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:05:20 <admiral0> What should i do?
Jun 09 10:05:20 <admiral0> anyone?
Jun 09 10:05:27 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:05:27 <admiral0> What should i do?
Jun 09 10:05:27 <admiral0> anyone?
Jun 09 10:05:31 <robtaylor> admiral0: repeating your question is not going to make anyone answer it quicker
Jun 09 10:05:34 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:05:34 <admiral0> What should i do?
Jun 09 10:05:34 <admiral0> anyone?
Jun 09 10:05:35 <Fragggy> wtf?
Jun 09 10:05:41 <leinirAWAY> robtaylor: He is not repeating it - mibbit is
Jun 09 10:05:41 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:05:41 <admiral0> What should i do?
Jun 09 10:05:41 <admiral0> anyone?
Jun 09 10:05:44 <robtaylor> admiral0: all it means is a) you're annoying the fuck out of everyone
Jun 09 10:05:47 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:05:47 <admiral0> What should i do?
Jun 09 10:05:47 <admiral0> anyone?
Jun 09 10:05:51 <leinirAWAY> admiral0: Please use a proper IRC client :)
Jun 09 10:05:52 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:05:52 <admiral0> What should i do?
Jun 09 10:05:52 <admiral0> anyone?
Jun 09 10:05:57 <robtaylor> admiral0: and b) we can't even see your original question
Jun 09 10:05:58 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:05:58 <admiral0> What should i do?
Jun 09 10:05:58 <admiral0> anyone?
Jun 09 10:06:07 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:06:07 <admiral0> What should i do?
Jun 09 10:06:07 <admiral0> anyone?
Jun 09 10:06:14 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:06:14 <admiral0> What should i do?
Jun 09 10:06:14 <admiral0> anyone?
Jun 09 10:06:16 <robtaylor> who has ops?
Jun 09 10:06:23 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:06:23 <admiral0> What should i do?
Jun 09 10:06:23 <admiral0> anyone?
Jun 09 10:06:29 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:06:29 <admiral0> What should i do?
Jun 09 10:06:29 <admiral0> anyone?
Jun 09 10:06:29 <admiral0> i am behind a university proxy.
Jun 09 10:06:37 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:06:37 <admiral0> What should i do?
Jun 09 10:06:37 <admiral0> anyone?
Jun 09 10:06:37 <admiral0> i am behind a university proxy.
Jun 09 10:06:41 <methril|work> stop putting the same question again and again
Jun 09 10:06:42 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:06:42 <admiral0> What should i do?
Jun 09 10:06:42 <admiral0> anyone?
Jun 09 10:06:42 <admiral0> i am behind a university proxy.
Jun 09 10:06:44 <methril|work> plesae
Jun 09 10:06:48 <leinirAWAY> admiral0: That does not change the fact that mibbit is being stupid :)
Jun 09 10:06:48 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:06:48 <admiral0> What should i do?
Jun 09 10:06:48 <admiral0> anyone?
Jun 09 10:06:49 <admiral0> i am behind a university proxy.
Jun 09 10:06:55 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:06:55 <admiral0> What should i do?
Jun 09 10:06:55 <admiral0> anyone?
Jun 09 10:06:56 <leinirAWAY> methril|work: It still is not him doing it
Jun 09 10:06:57 <admiral0> i am behind a university proxy.
Jun 09 10:07:03 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:07:03 <admiral0> What should i do?
Jun 09 10:07:03 <admiral0> anyone?
Jun 09 10:07:05 <admiral0> i am behind a university proxy.
Jun 09 10:07:10 <admiral0> back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK
Jun 09 10:07:10 <admiral0> What should i do?
Jun 09 10:07:11 <admiral0> anyone?
Jun 09 10:07:13 <admiral0> i am behind a university proxy.
Jun 09 10:07:28 <robtaylor> thank f**k for that
Jun 09 10:07:46 <leinirAWAY> i would like to murder whoever wrote mibbit so stupidly that it does that
Jun 09 10:08:13 <robtaylor> urgh
Jun 09 10:08:33 <m0nt0> lol
Jun 09 10:10:19 <CM_work> I have to use mibbit because everything else is blocked from work.. :(
Jun 09 10:10:56 <|Marco|> CM_work: tunneling?
Jun 09 10:11:25 <CM_work> |Marco|: Well, I did set up stunnel at home, but I don't think the security people here would like that
Jun 09 10:11:50 * CM_work is a consultant, right now at the Swedish tax authority
Jun 09 10:12:31 <pieterc> is ssh not working properly with the most recent test release of om 2009?
Jun 09 10:12:32 <CM_work> Guess the easiest way would be to get a Netbook with 3G wireless :)
Jun 09 10:12:37 <pieterc> I can't get it to work :s
Jun 09 10:13:03 <mickeyl> DocScrutinizer: you should be able to OP yourself now on this channel
Jun 09 10:13:03 <dns53> not an openmoko with gprs?
Jun 09 10:13:22 <DocScrutinizer> mickeyl: k, thanks
Jun 09 10:14:11 <DocScrutinizer> mickeyl: k, "thanks! ;-)"
Jun 09 10:16:53 <pieterc> anyone tried the fatfingershell ?
Jun 09 10:18:10 <Etu> Does it exist any jffs2 build of debian for the freerunner?
Jun 09 10:18:16 <DocScrutinizer> pieterc: checked for ethXX instead of usb0?
Jun 09 10:18:34 <pieterc> DocScrutinizer, yep
Jun 09 10:18:39 <pieterc> it was eth2
Jun 09 10:18:41 <DocScrutinizer> hmm
Jun 09 10:18:42 <pieterc> no chance though
Jun 09 10:19:07 <pieterc> Going to flash the release of 21 of may i guess...
Jun 09 10:24:51 <pieterc> I'm going to release the openmoko in Belgium with a sim card with free gprs included... I might need some help
Jun 09 10:24:52 <pieterc> anyone in?
Jun 09 10:25:28 <lindi-> pieterc: release?
Jun 09 10:25:30 <DocScrutinizer> I'm sure some are :-) sounds very intriguing
Jun 09 10:25:42 <pieterc> release the package
Jun 09 10:26:07 <pieterc> I'm doing it as a student job at mobile vikings
Jun 09 10:26:18 <DocScrutinizer> pieterc: what exactly is included in that package? what are your plans?
Jun 09 10:26:18 <pieterc> it's a belgian operator
Jun 09 10:26:31 <pieterc> a prepaid plan sim-card
Jun 09 10:26:33 <pieterc> and the openmoko
Jun 09 10:26:37 <pieterc> in 2 versions
Jun 09 10:26:43 <pieterc> with android preinstalled
Jun 09 10:26:50 <pieterc> and with OM2009 preinstalled
Jun 09 10:26:58 <pieterc> OM2009 for the more advance developers
Jun 09 10:26:58 <DocScrutinizer> oooh, no SHR?
Jun 09 10:27:21 <pieterc> hm... I like SHR but i think it's not good for final release
Jun 09 10:27:53 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, seems to apply to the other mentioned distos as well ;-)
Jun 09 10:28:03 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
Jun 09 10:28:11 <pieterc> Yea... I was just hoping on panicking to finish android in august:p
Jun 09 10:28:14 <DocScrutinizer> anyway, nice to hear
Jun 09 10:28:15 <pieterc> android 1.5
Jun 09 10:28:27 <pieterc> I contacted Sean yet about it
Jun 09 10:29:05 <pieterc> he seemed quite interested
Jun 09 10:29:13 <DocScrutinizer> will evice be subsidized?
Jun 09 10:29:18 <pieterc> think he's glad he'll be able to make some positive publicity
Jun 09 10:29:28 <DocScrutinizer> sure
Jun 09 10:29:36 <DocScrutinizer> you bet he is
Jun 09 10:29:48 <pieterc> well since mobile vikings want to release it as their open Mobile Vikings device
Jun 09 10:29:56 <DocScrutinizer> wow
Jun 09 10:29:57 <pieterc> I guess they're going to put some money into it
Jun 09 10:30:35 <pieterc> I'm would be responsible for making a good community and as for now... I'm the one with most knowledge about openmoko
Jun 09 10:30:36 <DocScrutinizer> as it (obviously) can not be simlocked, I guess it won't be THAT much though ;-D
Jun 09 10:30:46 <pieterc> DocScrutinizer, are you mad?
Jun 09 10:31:03 <pieterc> DocScrutinizer, I don't know how you even van THINK that;)
Jun 09 10:31:04 <DocScrutinizer> call me MadDoc ;-D
Jun 09 10:31:08 <pieterc> haha
Jun 09 10:31:27 <pieterc> good one;)
Jun 09 10:31:47 <pieterc> always wondered how it would be to get courses from maddog:p
Jun 09 10:32:35 <pieterc> I was just hoping to get some community support here about this project
Jun 09 10:32:50 <pieterc> I will set up a mailinglist for the mobile vikings phone soon
Jun 09 10:33:41 <pieterc> it should contain some applications about mobile vikings too
Jun 09 10:33:42 <pieterc> like
Jun 09 10:33:51 <pieterc> checking how much money you got left
Jun 09 10:33:54 <DocScrutinizer> pieterc: I strongly suggest you /join #openmoko-cdevel
Jun 09 10:34:02 <pieterc> i joined yet
Jun 09 10:35:51 <pieterc> anyone knows how panicking is evolving in developing android cupcake?
Jun 09 10:36:17 <DocScrutinizer> pieterc: if MV got sth like "*100#" it will be incredibly easy to do accound query ;-)
Jun 09 10:36:41 <pieterc> I was thinking about making it a gprs application
Jun 09 10:36:53 <pieterc> since that's free anyway
Jun 09 10:37:14 <DocScrutinizer> hhmmmm, then probably it'll fail the moment you need it most :-D
Jun 09 10:37:31 <pieterc> no it won't
Jun 09 10:37:36 <DocScrutinizer> aaah, ok
Jun 09 10:37:39 <pieterc> ;)
Jun 09 10:37:53 <pieterc> it's free gprs;)
Jun 09 10:38:00 <DocScrutinizer> sounds like a very nice data plan. Can I roam in Germany ? ;-))
Jun 09 10:38:15 <pieterc> roaming edge gprs is expensive :p
Jun 09 10:38:18 <pieterc> too bad ;)
Jun 09 10:38:26 <pieterc> you can check rates at www.mobilevikings.be
Jun 09 10:39:21 <DocScrutinizer> well, I surely have enough FR devices by now, and probably am happy with my data flat. Anyway thanks
Jun 09 10:40:57 <pieterc> anyone knows whether you just can sell android devices without asking google?
Jun 09 10:41:40 <DocScrutinizer> duh, it's opensource at last. But not sure about Android, I don't like it, never cared
Jun 09 10:42:40 <DocScrutinizer> pieterc: ever considered a dual-boot system, and selling only one version?
Jun 09 10:43:08 <pieterc> yes i was thinking about that too
Jun 09 10:43:47 <pieterc> but then you wouldn't be able to change your sd card as a user
Jun 09 10:43:59 <pieterc> or you would
Jun 09 10:44:02 <DocScrutinizer> pieterc: if it's about help in general, you really should ask in devel chan
Jun 09 10:44:06 <pieterc> but you would have to know what you were doing :p
Jun 09 10:44:12 <pieterc> ok
Jun 09 10:44:55 <DocScrutinizer> this is more like the user channel. Devels are supposed to hang around over there ;-)
Jun 09 10:45:18 <DocScrutinizer> setting up this kind of project really sounds like devel to me 
Jun 09 10:45:27 <pieterc> ok
Jun 09 10:45:29 <pieterc> alright:p
Jun 09 11:14:22 <beer_> have you heard about the GNU Phone? http://notnews.today.com/2008/09/22/free-software-foundation-announces-gnuphone/
Jun 09 11:15:05 <Weiss> beer_: you know you can dial the phone on openmoko from the command line? :D
Jun 09 11:15:30 <samgee> ooh, openmoko stuff is going to happen in Belgium?
Jun 09 11:15:32 <samgee> sweet
Jun 09 11:17:39 <samgee> facebook, msn and twitter on my mobile
Jun 09 11:17:49 <samgee> yes, that's exactly what I want :\
Jun 09 11:18:58 <pieterc> samgee: where are you from (in belgium i mean)
Jun 09 11:19:20 <samgee> Antwerp province
Jun 09 11:20:13 <pieterc> alright, i'm hoping to achieve something together with mobile vikings
Jun 09 11:20:22 <pieterc> so keep in touch ;)
Jun 09 11:20:48 <samgee> ok
Jun 09 11:22:54 <samgee> btw, identi.ca, jabber > twitter, msn
Jun 09 11:23:20 <Zorkman> samgee: there is already a twitter client for openmoko and also an msn one :)
Jun 09 11:23:58 <methril|work> pigdin and it's plugins does the work 
Jun 09 11:24:58 <samgee> Zorkman, but identi.ca and jabber are the ones you want clients for
Jun 09 11:25:53 <dns53> i'd like telepathy support but i'm not going to do it
Jun 09 11:25:57 <Zorkman> samgee; don't know identi.ca very good, but i can't believe if there is a twitter client it would be hard to modify it to a identi.ca client
Jun 09 11:27:56 <samgee> Zorkman, very likely, but the point is that I'd like the free alternatives to get the attention instead of everyone always promoting the non-free ones
Jun 09 11:44:37 <admiral0> hi again. sorry for flooding before. It was mibbit.
Jun 09 11:45:07 <admiral0> turning back to my question
Jun 09 11:45:29 <admiral0> have you got any idea why init does not start?
Jun 09 11:45:55 <admiral0> kernel starts, i'm at "freeing init memory" and then... nothing
Jun 09 11:46:48 <dns53> the kernel is not reading the init program on the root partition, so are you telling the linux kernel where it should mount it's /
Jun 09 11:47:17 <admiral0> it mounts p1 on mmcblk as expected
Jun 09 11:47:30 <admiral0> it sees ext3 filesystem as expected
Jun 09 11:47:47 <admiral0> i tried even to pass init=/sbin/init
Jun 09 11:47:54 <admiral0> nothing changes
Jun 09 11:48:02 <admiral0> ah, i'm using qi
Jun 09 11:48:21 <admiral0> (loglevel=8 on append_GTA02)
Jun 09 11:48:38 <dns53> so you extracted your image to your flash card, and you have a /boot/uImage-GTA2 kernel?
Jun 09 11:48:46 <admiral0> yes
Jun 09 11:48:52 <admiral0> kernel starts
Jun 09 11:49:05 <admiral0> version 2.6.29-rc3
Jun 09 11:50:30 <dns53> should work, try a differen distro
Jun 09 11:52:34 <admiral0> it started
Jun 09 11:52:46 <admiral0> i tried init=/bin/bash
Jun 09 11:54:04 <admiral0> bye guys
Jun 09 11:54:06 <admiral0> thanks
Jun 09 13:29:11 <Mirv> hi. on Debian I have a problem that none of the profiles output only to headset, not to speaker. "DAPM Stereo Out" seems to either disable or enable both.
Jun 09 13:31:14 <Mirv> the reason why I'm puzzled is that I think it used to work in Om2008.12, and checking my backup of a headset.state there seems to indicate there is no difference besides a slight volume difference
Jun 09 13:33:02 <Mirv> it's somehow pretty wrong anyway since only left channel on headphones is enabled (and yes I have a motorola-compatible adapter which has worked fluently before)
Jun 09 13:36:39 <Mirv> DAPM Handset Spk is set to off
Jun 09 13:40:57 <DocScrutinizer> Mirv: DAPM stereoout is for both, headset AND speaker-sounder
Jun 09 13:42:57 <Mirv> DocScrutinizer: yes, I figured that, but have not found a way to enable only headset, since also both are silenced when disabling that
Jun 09 13:43:01 <DocScrutinizer> if you got only left chan on headset, this seems to indicate stereoout.state has been restored by alsactl, rather than (gsm)headset.state. Anyway amplifier is set to wrong mode (you may veryfy by listening to speaker, it should output same audio)
Jun 09 13:43:34 <DocScrutinizer> mompl, let me look up name of control to switch amp mode
Jun 09 13:44:29 <DocScrutinizer> Mirv: I'd guess that's :: numid=94,iface=MIXER,name='Amp Spk Switch'
Jun 09 13:44:45 <Mirv> I'm restoring state files manually, so headset.state is in use. but indeed Amp Spk Switch is what should matter, but it does not change anything even if I switch it on/off directly in alsamixer
Jun 09 13:44:55 <DocScrutinizer> to switch between speaker-mode and headset-mode
Jun 09 13:45:20 <DocScrutinizer> strange then
Jun 09 13:45:26 <DocScrutinizer> no idea, sorry
Jun 09 13:46:27 <Mirv> well, rebooting at least. is there anything that could be erronously done in the buzz fix that could cause that? I just received my Neo today from Germany.
Jun 09 13:46:50 <DocScrutinizer> nope
Jun 09 13:47:08 <DocScrutinizer> buzzfix unrelated to headset stereo-out
Jun 09 13:47:39 <Mirv> ok, well if reboot does not help I will use some other distro, maybe it's something with Debian's packaged kernel's alsa or something
Jun 09 13:48:33 <DocScrutinizer> hard to believe, but anyway... In lack of better ideas, that's a last approach to find out what's going on
Jun 09 13:52:31 <DocScrutinizer> Mirv: do NOT shutdown/(re)boot with headset plugged in. Some nonsense in initscripts mangled statefiles and/or mixer state (dunno if this holds true for recent distros or if they finally fixed that, according to my advice)  
Jun 09 13:53:29 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: off-hand - do you recall wht needs to be done to enable HS button?
Jun 09 13:53:46 <DocScrutinizer> power micbias
Jun 09 13:54:05 <SpeedEvil> how? kernel hacking, or ...
Jun 09 13:54:12 <SpeedEvil>  /proc/foo
Jun 09 13:54:14 <DocScrutinizer> that is: set one of the corresponding DAPM to ON
Jun 09 13:54:32 <DocScrutinizer> amixer or alsactl
Jun 09 13:54:41 <SpeedEvil> ok
Jun 09 13:54:48 <DocScrutinizer> np
Jun 09 13:55:02 <SpeedEvil> thanks - and then it should turn up on one of the input devices I assume?
Jun 09 13:55:21 <DocScrutinizer> iirc correct
Jun 09 13:55:45 * SpeedEvil needs to get his GTA01 reflashed, and setup to do GPS tagging.
Jun 09 13:56:01 <DocScrutinizer> see http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2209
Jun 09 13:56:28 <SpeedEvil> tanks
Jun 09 13:56:38 <DocScrutinizer> heh, using HOLD button to trigger a location snapshot? cool! :-)
Jun 09 14:05:28 <Mirv> DocScrutinizer: ok. rebooted without anything attached, but still the same. not that I actually used Debian for music player functionality before, but now I don't have my working om2008.12 anymore...
Jun 09 14:06:08 <Mirv> well, maybe I try building my own andy-tracking kernel as well
Jun 09 14:07:21 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: sort-of. Using an external fake headset to note time, and voice, for syncing external video recorder/camera
Jun 09 14:07:43 <DocScrutinizer> I'd check all relevant alsa.controls, to make sure you don't set right chan to mute/0% somewhere
Jun 09 14:08:12 <SpeedEvil> yeah - I'll have a look at it sometime soon hopefully.
Jun 09 14:09:37 <DocScrutinizer> Mirv: even digital userland audio device might be wrong somehow.
Jun 09 14:10:33 <DocScrutinizer> Mirv: e.g you must use the stereo pcm, not the voice mono one
Jun 09 14:12:04 <DocScrutinizer> aplay -l, aplay -L, and aplay -vv -D <device> -c w might help
Jun 09 14:12:30 <DocScrutinizer> s/c w/c 2/
Jun 09 14:12:31 <apt> DocScrutinizer meant: aplay -l, aplay -L, and aplay -vv -D <device> -c 2 might help
Jun 09 14:13:50 <DocScrutinizer> Mirv: also please refer to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem
Jun 09 14:15:34 <DocScrutinizer> Mirv: and be aware frameworkd does some kinky crippled mixer setup on plug/unplug of headset
Jun 09 14:16:36 <DocScrutinizer> Mirv: which distro?
Jun 09 14:16:58 <DocScrutinizer> aaah, debian
Jun 09 14:17:34 <DocScrutinizer> well, try SHR for instance. I think the debian stuff isn't up to date at all wrt alsa statefiles anyway
Jun 09 14:18:30 <DocScrutinizer> Mirv: or at least give SHR scenarii (OMG) statefiles a try on debian
Jun 09 14:19:13 * DocScrutinizer writes a notice to send a bomb to France for that scenarii brainfuck
Jun 09 14:19:29 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: pfff :-)
Jun 09 14:19:31 <Mirv> DocScrutinizer: thanks for the tips, not that currently helps. and I'm using Debian.
Jun 09 14:19:35 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03werner * r5113 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/STATUS: 
Jun 09 14:19:35 <CIA-53> openmoko: STATUS:
Jun 09 14:19:35 <CIA-53> openmoko: - clarified that "component" is the file name (of the .lib file)
Jun 09 14:19:35 <CIA-53> openmoko: - accordingly, renamed U.FL-R-SMT to "coax"
Jun 09 14:20:07 <Mirv> tried two adapters and two headphones just to check it's indeed Neo. but really this is all like a wrong statefile, just that no statefile or fiddling with alsamixer helps. hmph.
Jun 09 14:21:18 <dehqan> hi 2 all , in which country Freerunner hardware is made ?
Jun 09 14:21:21 <DocScrutinizer> Ainulindale: ask mwester what he thinks about it ;-) And if he has a deja vu maybe, wrt to some kernel hacker idiots "cleaning up" /sysfs and /dev names
Jun 09 14:22:04 <DocScrutinizer> sorry for my explicit wording, it's just I felt this way ;-D
Jun 09 14:22:08 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: well
Jun 09 14:22:11 <Ainulindale> we built a new package
Jun 09 14:22:14 <Ainulindale> we had to put it somewhere
Jun 09 14:22:22 <Ainulindale> I didn't clean anything, I just put it somewhere
Jun 09 14:22:38 <slaxxer> where is is
Jun 09 14:23:11 * DocScrutinizer thinks it wuld have been muuuuch more reasonable to override default statefiles by SHR stuff, without changing pathnames
Jun 09 14:24:05 <DocScrutinizer> so you don't need nasty hacks to frameworkd or silly symlinks to put everything back to operation
Jun 09 14:24:09 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: well we can't do that without opkg complaining
Jun 09 14:24:17 <dehqan> 2- is there service to fix buzz for models a5 and a6 ?
Jun 09 14:24:17 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: there are no nasty hacks to do to the framework
Jun 09 14:24:21 <Ainulindale> We changed the default configuration
Jun 09 14:24:22 <Ainulindale> That's all
Jun 09 14:24:26 <Ainulindale> And we've been doing that from the start
Jun 09 14:24:37 <DocScrutinizer> hmmpf, still feels terribly odd
Jun 09 14:24:47 <Ainulindale> Well we need to do that anyway for custom rules and such
Jun 09 14:25:34 <DocScrutinizer> I promise biiig headache arising from this ;-D
Jun 09 14:25:39 <Mirv> baah, well, maybe I now just try packaged 2.6.28 kernel instead of 2.6.29
Jun 09 14:26:01 <Mirv> DocScrutinizer: thanks a lot for help, I think you have been the person that has answered my questions every time :) 
Jun 09 14:26:28 <DocScrutinizer> Mirv: you're free to do that. Still I don't think it will cure your "left-only" headset issue
Jun 09 14:27:04 <DocScrutinizer> Mirv: welcome
Jun 09 14:27:08 * DocScrutinizer bbl
Jun 09 14:27:11 <DocScrutinizer> ciao
Jun 09 14:27:30 <Mirv> I also now tried headset.state from SHR's openmoko-alsa-scenarios, though also that doesn't really differ from mine
Jun 09 14:28:57 <dehqan> 2- Is there any service to fix buzz for models a5 and a6 ?
Jun 09 14:29:55 <DocScrutinizer> dehqan: your reseller should do that for you
Jun 09 14:43:54 <Mirv> DocScrutinizer: both problems (only left channel, speaker on, when using headset.state) disappeared when I changed to Debian's 2.6.28 instead of 2.6.29. next up using my self-compiled kernel.
Jun 09 14:44:05 <Mirv> glad to always find at least one way to fix a problem :)
Jun 09 14:47:18 <PaulFertser> Mirv: which .29 are you using? There was a version with control names non-truncated...
Jun 09 14:48:26 <jc> ohoh...fix some feed bug on planet, but all old article show up.
Jun 09 14:48:53 <Mirv> PaulFertser: the one in Debian-FSO, which is from March.. and which indeed output about truncating controls when booting...
Jun 09 14:50:31 <PaulFertser> Mirv: i think i used .29 (self compiled of course) here for quite some time and it works ok.
Jun 09 14:51:44 <PaulFertser> Mirv: just inserted my headphones, madplayed some file, i hear good stereo. The latest andy-tracking here.
Jun 09 14:52:14 <PaulFertser> Mirv: haven't switch any statefiles, it was stereoout and frameworkd tweaked one control on jack insertion.
Jun 09 14:54:02 <PaulFertser> Mirv: namely 'amixer -d sset "Amp Spk" mute'
Jun 09 14:55:44 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03werner * r5114 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/kicad-wishlist: 
Jun 09 14:55:44 <CIA-53> openmoko: Bumped priority of text alignment. Added a bit more details about the
Jun 09 14:55:44 <CIA-53> openmoko: push router.
Jun 09 14:56:45 <PaulFertser> Mirv: without Amp Spk muted i indeed hear only left channel and main speaker.
Jun 09 14:57:27 <slaxxer> shr-unstable  battery goes completely down overnight
Jun 09 14:57:33 <slaxxer> dry
Jun 09 14:57:41 <PaulFertser> Too bad i haven't tried to listen to the music before my bass fix. So i have nothing to compare with to get excited about.
Jun 09 14:59:10 <dehqan> hi 2 all , in which country Freerunner hardware is made ?
Jun 09 14:59:20 <Mirv> PaulFertser: yep. it seems like the Amp Spk does not work on the only Debian's 2.6.29. the same kernel also has battery level broken, so it's just that no-one has updated the packaged version for a while.
Jun 09 14:59:33 <Mirv> PaulFertser: I know just booted my own 2.6.29 from andy-tracking tip, and it works great
Jun 09 14:59:57 <PaulFertser> Mirv: great to hear.
Jun 09 15:00:53 <PaulFertser> dehqan: Taiwan, TPE or Schengen.
Jun 09 15:01:24 <PaulFertser> (i think i mistyped/misremembered the second one)
Jun 09 15:01:45 <PaulFertser> (too many thought about fucking visa recently)
Jun 09 15:05:04 <jc> PaulFertser: Suzhou, China.
Jun 09 15:05:26 <PaulFertser> jc: yep, sorry for not knowing it, i think i'm bad at geography.
Jun 09 15:05:45 <PaulFertser> jc: what is the official status of Taiwan from PRC's POV atm?
Jun 09 15:06:45 <jc> PaulFertser: For me, Taiwan is an independent country called Republic of China.
Jun 09 15:07:43 <jc> PaulFertser: however, I don't know how long will this remain, Ma administration is thinking in the opposite way.
Jun 09 15:09:08 <PaulFertser> jc: i hope that any attempt to change status quo will be economically damaging to PRC, so administration will continue to say void words about it while actually not doing anything.
Jun 09 15:09:33 <jc> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware/it starting from v03
Jun 09 15:11:25 <jc> PaulFertser: I think the reality is closed to the government is doing anything they want but ignore the voices from people in this island.
Jun 09 16:01:28 <rzr__> yet an other distro (maemo+ubuntu) for FR  : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mer
Jun 09 16:01:29 <rzr__> hi
Jun 09 16:01:31 <rzr__> +
Jun 09 16:06:14 <slaxxer> yea
Jun 09 16:08:44 <slaxxer> going to be great      
Jun 09 16:10:22 <mihairu> is here anyone with shr-unstable and gestures wowrking on it? :)
Jun 09 16:14:53 <badcloud> am I the only one who thinks we should focus on 3 or 4 distros instead of spreading things a little thin with >10?
Jun 09 16:15:12 <mjr> apparently yes
Jun 09 16:15:57 <SpeedEvil> One distro
Jun 09 16:16:10 <badcloud> nice that you took it upon yourself to give everybody's opinion, mjr
Jun 09 16:16:49 <mjr> why ask if you only accept one answer?
Jun 09 16:17:29 <badcloud> I'll accept any answer if given thought through explanation
Jun 09 16:17:44 <ask> it is my name
Jun 09 16:19:06 <badcloud> all I'm saying is that we have over 10 distros, and you can have a near-decent daily phone experience with barely 2
Jun 09 16:19:39 <badcloud> shouldn't the goal be to put something in the hands of an average user too?
Jun 09 16:19:54 <badcloud> something that won't be a nice addition to his old phone
Jun 09 16:19:58 <max_posedon> badcloud, why you want this?
Jun 09 16:20:03 <badcloud> but replace it, and with so much more
Jun 09 16:20:21 <badcloud> max_posedon, why do I want a polished phone experience?
Jun 09 16:20:22 <max_posedon> why you want make desitions about their free type instead them selfs
Jun 09 16:20:39 <badcloud> max, not quite sure I understand
Jun 09 16:20:41 <max_posedon> *their free time*
Jun 09 16:20:49 <Ainulindale> badcloud: could I know which are these two distros? :-)
Jun 09 16:20:49 <badcloud> whose free time?
Jun 09 16:20:57 <max_posedon> developers's
Jun 09 16:21:07 <max_posedon> who works on >10 different distros
Jun 09 16:21:14 <badcloud> Ainulindale, shr testing/unstable, FSO5
Jun 09 16:21:21 <badcloud> I see
Jun 09 16:21:31 <badcloud> I'm not interested in making any decisions regarding their time
Jun 09 16:21:53 <badcloud> only that they realize my standpoint
Jun 09 16:22:00 <max_posedon> if you want polished phone expirence, just put your afforts there
Jun 09 16:22:01 <badcloud> and probably other's standpoints as well
Jun 09 16:22:07 <badcloud> I would if I could
Jun 09 16:22:14 <max_posedon> as for me - I don't want OE
Jun 09 16:22:16 <badcloud> might start learning programing soon
Jun 09 16:22:20 <max_posedon> I want Gentoo
Jun 09 16:22:41 <max_posedon> and spent many time for fixing gentoo.
Jun 09 16:22:54 <badcloud> I'll put some effort into porting apps
Jun 09 16:22:57 <max_posedon> I don't see any reason why I should stop it.
Jun 09 16:23:33 <badcloud> but I don't see why after a year +, the basics couldn't be layed out by now
Jun 09 16:23:44 <badcloud> suspend working properly, phone, etc
Jun 09 16:24:20 <max_posedon> shr as software is very good for me
Jun 09 16:24:48 <badcloud> as *software*
Jun 09 16:25:03 <badcloud> but it's a phone, is it not?
Jun 09 16:25:24 <max_posedon> shr-unstable+OE as phone - good
Jun 09 16:25:34 <badcloud> I meant the device
Jun 09 16:25:37 <max_posedon> works good for me last 3 month, with some problems
Jun 09 16:25:41 <max_posedon> yes, I mean too.
Jun 09 16:26:10 <badcloud> I still can't get over lack of 'sms # --> nick resolve'
Jun 09 16:26:20 <max_posedon> works for me
Jun 09 16:26:36 <max_posedon> shr-ustable+configure your country tel code in config
Jun 09 16:26:41 <badcloud> it's ridiculous to have to scroll for 5 minutes through my contacts to figure out who the sms is from
Jun 09 16:27:05 <max_posedon> once more - *works for me*
Jun 09 16:27:09 <badcloud> got it
Jun 09 16:27:21 <max_posedon> you need configure tel number codes
Jun 09 16:27:33 <max_posedon> in /etc/<someconfig>
Jun 09 16:27:47 <badcloud> I'm not adventurous enough to go back to unstable for the 5th time. I'm sticking with testing April14 until something stable comes out
Jun 09 16:28:31 <badcloud> the thing is, not everyone wants to spend hours in front of an ssh session with their phone until everything works at a certain level
Jun 09 16:28:39 <badcloud> *on
Jun 09 16:29:00 <SpeedEvil> Or can spare the time if they do want to.
Jun 09 16:29:04 <max_posedon> in other case, any other phone can't do it properly
Jun 09 16:29:12 <SpeedEvil> I'd love to be able to do that ATM - but am in thte garden sorting out pots
Jun 09 16:29:20 <max_posedon> if you have 2 people with same numbers
Jun 09 16:29:28 <max_posedon> from different countries
Jun 09 16:29:35 <max_posedon> only neo will work
Jun 09 16:29:46 <max_posedon> or in same country, but with different prefixes
Jun 09 16:29:49 <SpeedEvil> That can never happen
Jun 09 16:29:57 <max_posedon> SpeedEvil, never?! why?
Jun 09 16:30:00 <badcloud> never mind
Jun 09 16:30:06 <max_posedon> +375 29 xxxyyyz
Jun 09 16:30:08 <max_posedon> +375 44 xxxyyyz
Jun 09 16:30:11 <SpeedEvil> because you store teh numbers with the international prefixes
Jun 09 16:30:20 <Ainulindale> badcloud: for the country code thing
Jun 09 16:30:21 <max_posedon> it is really possible in Belarus
Jun 09 16:30:25 <Ainulindale> we modified it to handle that
Jun 09 16:30:27 <Ainulindale> for SMSes
Jun 09 16:30:37 <max_posedon> SpeedEvil, recive sms
Jun 09 16:30:40 <SpeedEvil> Ah
Jun 09 16:30:42 <Ainulindale> if you use latest unstable which will switch to testing ASAP, you should be able to use it
Jun 09 16:30:48 <max_posedon> any other phone will fail I think
Jun 09 16:30:52 <Ainulindale> it's in /etc/frameworkd-phonegui.conf
Jun 09 16:30:58 <Ainulindale> We plan to do a screen for that
Jun 09 16:31:12 <max_posedon> it is usual hack to check just latest 7 digits
Jun 09 16:31:33 <max_posedon> (reason why you don't need configure it on all others phones)
Jun 09 16:31:35 <Ainulindale> Anyway, here it works real fine
Jun 09 16:31:43 <max_posedon> Ainulindale, btw, what about this hack for shr?
Jun 09 16:31:48 <max_posedon> at least by default
Jun 09 16:33:21 <Ainulindale> Which hack?
Jun 09 16:33:30 <Ainulindale> Checking last 7 digits?
Jun 09 16:33:33 <max_posedon> yep
Jun 09 16:33:33 <Ainulindale> It has no meaning and I won't do it
Jun 09 16:33:48 <Ainulindale> I don't like hacks
Jun 09 16:33:54 <Ainulindale> Plus DocScrutinizer would shout at me if I did
Jun 09 16:34:01 <max_posedon> )
Jun 09 16:34:44 <max_posedon> for you, France codes by default better than this hack)
Jun 09 16:34:59 <max_posedon> (or Germany0
Jun 09 16:35:21 <Ainulindale> well this hack would be a pain to handle anyway
Jun 09 16:35:27 <Ainulindale> And would differ from country to country
Jun 09 18:05:16 <DocScrutinizer> hehe, Ainulindale knows me by now ;-D
Jun 09 18:05:42 <DocScrutinizer> and, even better, he's right
Jun 09 18:13:29 <DocScrutinizer> btw: If any of the SHR guys would want to consider to implement the "best match" augment to the standard number normalization+search algo, it would even easily match max-posedon's suggested "hack". Set CC, AC, IP, NP TO "", max_cut_trailing=0, max_cut_leading=99, min_core_match=7
Jun 09 18:32:52 <slaxxer> next is missing from the mplayer "add" menu
Jun 09 18:33:06 <slaxxer> hung there
Jun 09 18:36:03 <slaxxer> had to reboot 3 times
Jun 09 18:36:19 <slaxxer> i have a desktop
Jun 09 19:09:46 <slaxxer> will openmokos apps work on the new pre?
Jun 09 19:19:53 <slaxxer> planet change?
Jun 09 20:05:25 <cold2na> Openmoko and OpenBSD? 
Jun 09 20:05:38 <cold2na> where can I find more info? 
Jun 09 20:07:56 <Blu3> uhm...  openbsd on an openmoko?
Jun 09 20:11:08 <cold2na> I am sorry, in OpenBSd class some people mentioned it; didnt ask thought I would ask here first
Jun 09 20:25:20 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * re3d2f01948c1 10fso-monitord/src/monitor.vala: Added debug output for startin object
Jun 09 20:25:21 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r31c827b632e8 10fso-monitord/src/usage.vala: Set missint IFACE for usage
Jun 09 20:25:22 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r66257faad30e 10fso-monitord/src/usage.vala: 
Jun 09 20:25:22 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: Revert "Set missint IFACE for usage"
Jun 09 20:25:22 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: This reverts commit 31c827b632e8e8db9ba57c31571e8e95d38dbc08.
Jun 09 20:25:24 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * r5f156ecfc7e4 10/src/monitor.vala: Added debug output in Subsystem.run
Jun 09 20:25:27 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * r20767782f109 10/src/monitor.vala: Using fdo.DBus.Peer for Ping()
Jun 09 21:03:02 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * r04ac74e21c06 10/src/gsm.vala: Fixed typo in FSO.GSM.PDP interface
Jun 09 21:03:03 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * rd2642d52f145 10/src/gsm.vala: Renamed *HomeZone dbus calls to +Status
Jun 09 21:19:38 <feugan3333> Hi guys. What is the best way to play with openmoko apps on my PC until my FreeRunner arrives (being shipped)
Jun 09 21:26:23 <CVirus> [00:19] <lynx_r> anybody know how to log in #python channal?
Jun 09 21:26:25 <CVirus> ROFL
Jun 09 21:54:53 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r538b288d7493 10fso-monitord/src/gsm.vala: Renamed *HomeZone dbus calls to +Status
Jun 09 21:54:54 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * re0f6a02c25f3 10fso-monitord/src/ (device.vala gsm.vala phone.vala preferences.vala): Moved setting of interface to construct
Jun 09 22:17:16 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r3c61cd32b2dc 10fso-monitord/src/monitor.vala: Using Dbus.Peer for Ping
Jun 09 22:20:19 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * ra61b9d92e22f 10fso-monitord/src/gsm.vala: Fixed typo in FSO.GSM.PDP interface
Jun 09 22:43:51 <fredrin> "We are the robots" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXa9tXcMhXQ got it in my head
Jun 09 22:43:53 <fredrin> classic
Jun 09 22:55:21 <pieterc-moko> gprs + moko rules :p
Jun 09 22:55:38 <rooly> so they finally got it working?
Jun 09 22:56:00 <pieterc-moko> hm?
Jun 09 22:56:12 <pieterc-moko> im on shr
Jun 09 22:56:13 <rooly> well, gprs wasn't working last i tried to use it
Jun 09 22:56:39 <pieterc-moko> shr gprs works quite well
Jun 09 22:57:25 <pieterc-moko> i got it working with om2009 aswell
Jun 09 22:58:20 <pieterc-moko> wapedia.mobi and midori is cool
Jun 10 00:11:18 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03werner * r5115 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (18 files in 3 dirs): 
Jun 10 00:11:18 <CIA-53> openmoko: Integrated Rene's recent components:
Jun 10 00:11:18 <CIA-53> openmoko: - added new components to the merged lib
Jun 10 00:11:18 <CIA-53> openmoko: - added new components to the expanded view, which has new sheets BT and WLAN
Jun 10 00:11:18 <CIA-53> openmoko: - added sheet name to each sheet
Jun 10 00:11:18 <CIA-53> openmoko: - added real names to STATUS
Jun 10 00:14:47 <KungFuJesus> Hello, my mediaplayer is not working on 2008.12, is there a way to make it work?
Jun 10 00:16:53 <mwester> I suppose you could try threatening it.  It worked for Obama.
Jun 10 00:18:20 <mwester> But if that fails, then perhaps you m ight offer some additional specifics on the nature of the failure, so that someone might be able to offer specific and more useful suggestions. :p
Jun 10 00:20:44 <KungFuJesus> well I installed omplayer2, but it complains about gstreamer plugins
Jun 10 00:20:55 <KungFuJesus> pulseaudio doesn't exist on 2008.12, so....
Jun 10 00:21:26 <KungFuJesus> I'm guessing that omplayer2 is deprecated, however "mediaplayer" in the repo doesn't seem to work either, and the interface looks more dated than omplayer2
Jun 10 00:24:19 <mwester> I don't use any of the OM distros -- OM blew it big time with those, and OM2008.12 is obsolete and no longer supported.  But to make matters worse, OM got threatened by one of those patent trolls, and had to remove all traces of various media codecs from the distro.  Gstreamer plugins were among the victims.  
Jun 10 00:25:02 <mwester> AFAIK nobody is working on that old distro, so "dated" is a good term to describe everything!
Jun 10 00:25:26 <KungFuJesus> well 2009 has the poorest interface I've ever worked with, and it's ridiculously slow and unresponsive
Jun 10 00:26:30 <mwester> And the 2007.x distro was killed by OM politics, but it had the most promise of anything OM has done.
Jun 10 00:26:44 <SpeedEvil> yeah
Jun 10 00:26:46 <mwester> So logic would suggest that you'll have to switch to one of the current distros. 
Jun 10 00:26:57 <SpeedEvil> 2007.x was actually almost working.
Jun 10 00:27:00 <mwester> They may not be ready, but at least they have hope.  OM has none.
Jun 10 00:27:10 <SpeedEvil> It could send and recieve calls and SMS - for me.
Jun 10 00:27:19 <KungFuJesus> I never got to installing SHR, a lot of people were saying that the recent builds were broken
Jun 10 00:27:43 <KungFuJesus> I've been thinking about hackable.1
Jun 10 00:27:59 <KungFuJesus> android doesn't support resume on GSM events as far as I know
Jun 10 00:28:21 <mwester> SHR is a work-in-progress.  Some of the builds will be great; many will be broken.  You just have to pick one that works.  Avoid SHR-testing, that's almost always broken.  Most of the "SHR unstable" builds are reasonably good.
Jun 10 00:28:51 <KungFuJesus> 2008.12 had a reasonably slick interface, it's too bad its killed now
Jun 10 00:29:26 <KungFuJesus> will 2009 not suck anytime soon?  It had promise, I mean GSM time sync worked, and as far as I could tell it could send and receive texts
Jun 10 00:30:09 <KungFuJesus> Although the PIM interface was awful, SMS looked terrible, I didn't bother trying to figure out how to install more apps when it was that uncomfortable
Jun 10 00:31:09 <mwester> I'm prejudiced, don't ask me -- IMO there will be no OM release that will be useful; OM's management has a talent for crushing anything useful done by talented developers, leaving nothing but horrible hacks and wallpaper.  But perhaps with the demise of OM, the developers working on 2009.x, if any remain, will be finally free of their management.
Jun 10 00:31:33 <mwester> Sounds to me like you should try the SHR-unstable builds.
Jun 10 00:31:54 <mwester> I really can't understand why you would stick with something that you've just described - that's horrible.
Jun 10 00:32:11 <KungFuJesus> well mainly because it works, mostly
Jun 10 00:32:21 <KungFuJesus> I mean, sometimes SMS inbox crashes
Jun 10 00:33:33 <mwester> Ah.  Sooo.... if you had been born a few years earlier, you would have been one of those who would have kept farming with a team of horses, rather than trying that new-fangled thing called a "tractor".  After all, the horses "mainly work". :-D
Jun 10 00:34:12 <KungFuJesus> well, I mainly wanted the supported apps, stuff that mainly worked with the GPS
Jun 10 00:34:18 <KungFuJesus> although in my experience, it didn't
Jun 10 00:34:47 <KungFuJesus> it seemed like more apps were written for OM than any of the other distro
Jun 10 00:34:52 <mwester> What I'm trying to tell you, is that OM distros are not supported.
Jun 10 00:35:16 <mwester> And no, there really weren't more apps for the OM distros either.  I think that honor goes to debian on the OM.
Jun 10 00:35:16 <KungFuJesus> it's weird, it seems like all of the distro is deserted and no trace of any development
Jun 10 00:35:30 <mwester> That's what I'm trying to tell you.
Jun 10 00:35:48 <KungFuJesus> eventually I have to manually put all my contacts back in, too
Jun 10 00:35:50 <mwester> There really is only Android, and SHR left.
Jun 10 00:35:51 <KungFuJesus> that's no fun
Jun 10 00:36:09 <KungFuJesus> does wifi or media work well in SHR?
Jun 10 00:36:34 <mwester> depends on your needs, and the particular build you get.
Jun 10 00:36:37 <mwester> it may or may not work.
Jun 10 00:36:50 <mwester> but at least people are working on it!
Jun 10 00:37:04 <KungFuJesus> gahhh, why can't there be a specific end all have all working build that does everything the phone is capable of?!
Jun 10 00:37:22 <slaxxer> http://www.qtmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page
Jun 10 00:37:24 <mwester> because OM screwed up -- massive, major FAIL
Jun 10 00:37:44 <KungFuJesus> how well does the commercial distro work?
Jun 10 00:37:51 <mwester> what commercial distro?
Jun 10 00:38:09 <slaxxer> debian gentoo slackware?
Jun 10 00:38:36 <KungFuJesus> no, qtmoko
Jun 10 00:38:55 <slaxxer> try ity an tell us
Jun 10 00:38:55 <KungFuJesus> I assumed that was qtopia based, maybe I'm wrong
Jun 10 00:39:27 <KungFuJesus> *sigh* which SHR works with mainly everything?
Jun 10 00:39:39 <slaxxer> 06092009
Jun 10 00:39:41 <KungFuJesus> I'll have to do this sometime later, I don't have the time to do it atm
Jun 10 00:40:01 <KungFuJesus> today's build?  Is that the unstable one?
Jun 10 00:40:05 <slaxxer> 30 minuits?
Jun 10 00:40:17 <slaxxer> i had to reboot 3 times
Jun 10 00:40:18 <KungFuJesus> flashing the moko takes forever
Jun 10 00:40:24 <slaxxer> not
Jun 10 00:40:45 <KungFuJesus> plus I have to backup ALL of my contacts and re-enter them one by one
Jun 10 00:40:52 <KungFuJesus> that is something that can take over hours
Jun 10 00:54:46 <slaxxer> what for    no sim?
Jun 10 01:04:37 <KungFuJesus> I wasn't saving to sim card, my sim is too small
Jun 10 01:12:59 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * r09ce5b2be494 10/src/fso.vala: Lock restarting by command
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