**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 10 02:59:57 2009 Jun 10 04:56:01 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * rc5f9126071f8 10fso-monitord/src/ (dbus.vala monitor.vala): Renamed FreeDesktop.DBusService constants to SERVICE_* Jun 10 04:56:03 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r6ac7ca3450cc 10fso-monitord/src/ (monitor.vala phone.vala): Jun 10 04:56:03 freesmartphone.org: Removed subsystems in System Jun 10 04:56:03 freesmartphone.org: Use calls instead of subsystems in Phone Jun 10 04:56:04 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r404d3733137b 10fso-monitord/src/ (7 files): Merged Subsystem an System Jun 10 04:56:07 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r931a3d9519c6 10fso-monitord/src/ (dbus.vala monitor.vala): Introduce and use static DBus.Peer Jun 10 04:58:50 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r5c3af1961558 10fso-monitord/src/ (dbus.vala monitor.vala): Moved PEER_IFACE to FDO.DBusPeer Jun 10 05:30:38 (slowpoke) holyshit they ported maemo to freerunner Jun 10 06:56:48 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r3df27640273f 10fso-monitord/ (Makefile.am src/framework.vala src/monitor.vala): Restart daemon by busnameand command Jun 10 06:57:39 hi 2 all ,paul is there anything about bt headsets in wiki ? Jun 10 07:22:15 'morning Jun 10 10:21:11 hi 2 all ,what is VAT ? Jun 10 10:22:15 dealer has said "Our price is 229 EUR incl. VAT." Jun 10 10:22:30 value added tax Jun 10 10:22:46 aka goods and services tax Jun 10 10:22:49 so what does it mean ? Jun 10 10:23:02 er, the price includes tax Jun 10 10:24:20 is that mean we should pay tax MOREOVER 229 eur ? Jun 10 10:24:54 the price INCLUDES tax ... Jun 10 10:25:29 you live in a tax haven where noone gets taxed on anything or something? Jun 10 10:26:19 madwoota: Iran :) Jun 10 10:26:57 they pay plenty of taxes Jun 10 10:27:09 dehqan: you'll get a discount of 19% then. 8) Jun 10 10:27:22 VAT is only for europe IMO Jun 10 10:27:43 depends on if the seller is able to sell ex-tax Jun 10 10:27:50 which is highly dependant on the country Jun 10 10:28:22 in which case theres likely either an export tax or some other sales tax that gets applied anyway Jun 10 10:28:40 two things in life you cant avoid - death, and the taxman Jun 10 10:29:16 madwoota: i ordered my neo in sweden and got a 19% discount without taxes. all other taxes are implied by the importer's country customs Jun 10 10:30:21 really q-master? Jun 10 10:30:36 i'm just saying there is no simple answer to "will i get taxed?" Jun 10 10:30:41 i'm in iran ,but i have decided to ask dealer to post that to sweden ... Jun 10 10:31:13 i thought it was illegal to own a gps there? Jun 10 10:31:47 why not madwoota ? Jun 10 10:32:16 see , if i ask dealer to post it directly to iran it's post price will be more ... Jun 10 10:32:52 so it's better to ask him/her post it to my aunt house in sweden ... Jun 10 10:33:03 then they will take it here ... Jun 10 10:33:09 but now one problem Jun 10 10:33:23 should i pay tax or not at end ? Jun 10 10:34:42 what does tax depend on ? Jun 10 10:34:57 resseler or destination country or ... ? Jun 10 10:36:47 dehqan: I think so. In my case it was true. I'm from Russia Jun 10 10:36:56 not EU zone Jun 10 10:37:35 dehqan: you will pay taxes only depending on your customs. Jun 10 10:37:42 because your destination was russia yes ? Jun 10 10:37:53 but you will have a 19% discount Jun 10 10:40:01 doesnot russia have costoms for cellphones ? Jun 10 10:41:07 but i think Iran customs cache 40% ... Jun 10 10:41:30 anyone knows about sweden customs ? Jun 10 10:44:30 dehqan: sweden customs will not tax you Jun 10 10:45:21 dehqan: you will have a summ-19%+yourlocaltax Jun 10 10:51:57 qmaster tanx see ,destenation is sweden ,so what does localtax mean ? Jun 10 10:52:32 so why belgium dealer said "you should pay 21% VAT" ? Jun 10 10:56:31 if the dest is swe you'll pay the VAT Jun 10 10:56:38 sweden is in EU Jun 10 12:37:37 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07zhone * rd654b3d15500 10/src/zhone: zhone: always use software_x11 evas engine Jun 10 12:48:06 mickey_away: so are we going to see freesmartphone on the newly root-accessed Palm Pre? ;-) Jun 10 12:48:19 :D Jun 10 12:48:25 sure thing... Jun 10 12:48:31 ... if someone sponsors such a device to us :) Jun 10 12:48:40 thanks for the headsup, btw. Jun 10 12:48:42 amazing news Jun 10 12:49:04 what, what what? Jun 10 12:49:12 root on Palm Pre Jun 10 12:49:14 Ainulindale: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals.txt Jun 10 12:49:17 and Palm Pre using OE, btw. Jun 10 12:49:21 rooted - or root given away officially? Jun 10 12:49:30 I created an IRC channel, invited the right people, and we got root :-) Jun 10 12:49:58 What's palm pre anyway? Jun 10 12:50:10 <= retard Jun 10 12:51:14 { android | iphone } killer Jun 10 12:51:17 aka... Jun 10 12:51:20 the last chance of Palm Jun 10 12:51:22 :) Jun 10 12:51:42 openmoko: 03werner * r5116 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/STATUS: Andre reviewed atr0610. Jun 10 12:52:37 Oh I see Jun 10 12:53:14 Well if you can have extra devices I'm interested in that as well for SHR :-p Jun 10 12:53:37 sure thing Jun 10 12:53:52 we need to make our work more broadly accessible / useful Jun 10 12:54:06 that's btw. why i'm still hoping for openezx and htclinux Jun 10 12:54:36 mickey_away: Palm's Senior Director of Core OS software is in the channel, and said that the folks at Palm were watching the live irc logs and having a great time seeing the rooting in real time :-) Jun 10 12:54:53 * SpeedEvil sighs. Jun 10 12:54:58 Rooting sucks. Jun 10 12:55:08 * SpeedEvil wants actually open stuff. Jun 10 12:55:14 rwhitby: hehe, fun Jun 10 12:55:27 oh wait openmoko went south? i guess that's what you get when you want to use an interpreted language for core os functionality :p5 Jun 10 12:55:39 xcasex: *yawn* Jun 10 12:55:40 SpeedEvil: note that it has all been done without breaking any NDAs or software license agreements, and with all publicly available files and info. Jun 10 12:56:00 it's pretty much as if palm wanted it to happen Jun 10 12:56:03 mickey_away: yawn away, we bought several devices, i'm not bitter :p Jun 10 12:56:06 mickey_away: spambait Jun 10 12:56:36 rwhitby: Could be the case Jun 10 12:57:11 I'm allergic to random unfounded python bashing, that's all Jun 10 12:57:14 *shrug* Jun 10 12:57:36 help us with the Vala port, if you care Jun 10 12:59:29 well to me, it would be more useful to focus on the os development to have basic phone functionality instead of having just a random pda w. sms capabilities. Jun 10 13:01:05 indeed Jun 10 13:01:11 that's what the FSO team is doing Jun 10 13:01:26 we don't work on apps though Jun 10 13:01:51 perhaps we should... Jun 10 13:02:01 * mickey_away votes for 48h days Jun 10 13:02:05 focus ;) Jun 10 13:02:11 heh i vote for 92h days Jun 10 13:02:26 3 kids, two corps. a wife. Jun 10 13:02:30 do the math ;) Jun 10 13:03:04 :) Jun 10 13:03:09 rwhitby: But 'not breaking licene agreements' != open - and 'the devs wanted it to happen' vs 'it's company policy to be open , and the next version won't close the holes... Jun 10 13:04:00 SpeedEvil: agreed Jun 10 13:15:04 rwhitby: was it in fact rooting or palm just silently released a necessary tool for root access from host? Jun 10 13:15:43 PaulFertser: some investigation was needed to find the easter egg to get into dev mode, then the tools were pretty much there from that point. Jun 10 13:16:12 the tools were in their recovery tool .jar file. Jun 10 13:17:47 rwhitby: i understood that from the log (except that it was tricky to get to dev mode), just asked to be sure. Jun 10 13:19:31 is there a semantic difference that I'm unaware of? Jun 10 13:19:44 (rooting, vs what was done here)? Jun 10 13:21:18 rwhitby: hm, if something is almost directly supported by vendor it's not rooting. Making a goldcard for european G1 was rooting. This one doesn't look like it to me. Probably i'm wrong. Jun 10 13:22:31 openmoko: 03werner * r5117 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (components/STATUS expanded/cards.sch): Jun 10 13:22:31 openmoko: Andre reviewed the SD/SIM connector smsn16. Jun 10 13:22:31 openmoko: Added a remark that we name each ground pad separately, like Openmoko Jun 10 13:22:31 openmoko: did. Jun 10 13:24:00 PaulFertser: I'm very sure that Palm has made a management decision to make it easy. This couldn't have happened (including the Senior Director of Core OS chatting in the webos-internals channel) if that wasn't the case (IMHO) Jun 10 13:25:01 rwhitby: that's why to me it looks like "cool, we have an access thanks to the company decision" as opposed to "we finaly fucked the damn thing and got root". Jun 10 13:25:50 right. the end result is the same, and no prima donna's formed in the process :-) Jun 10 14:16:24 can the voice input/output be tampered with by software ? Jun 10 14:16:48 yes Jun 10 14:16:59 you can connect the GSM module to the soundcard Jun 10 14:17:11 Or in principle do voice changing stuff Jun 10 14:17:22 software do do this is of course not there yet Jun 10 14:17:30 yeah .. Jun 10 14:17:33 I was thinking more about some encryption ... Jun 10 14:17:39 and decryption on the other moko end Jun 10 14:18:16 and the other way around Jun 10 14:19:15 would the cpu support this for some realtime operations ? Jun 10 14:19:33 The CPU is no problem Jun 10 14:19:52 the problem is you can't encrypt over the GSM interface as voice Jun 10 14:19:52 so .. it can be done then :) great .. Jun 10 14:19:59 ow Jun 10 14:20:15 as the GSM voice codec intentionally throws away anything that cannot be reproduced by the human voice. Jun 10 14:20:19 it's filtering the voice, huh ? Jun 10 14:20:21 :/ Jun 10 14:20:31 damn Jun 10 14:21:04 GPRS has a 1-2 second delay, and circuit switched data takes a while to come on, and is expensive and some carriers don't allow it, and you have to get it enabled for your SIM. Jun 10 14:21:30 yeah Jun 10 14:22:38 You can in theory get 1.3kbps over GSM-voice - but this involced heroic efforts. Basically - a simulated data-driven voice-box into the GSM, and a 'speech recognition' thing ont he other end Jun 10 14:22:49 kbits Jun 10 14:23:20 I was thinking of a way in math to transform the encrypted voice into voice ... Jun 10 14:24:07 You can't do that and make it secure unfortunately. Jun 10 14:24:17 Unless you're going to a low-bitratee codec, and the above. Jun 10 14:24:39 (Or rather - nobody in the history of encryption has comee up with a scheme to do that - if you can - great! Jun 10 14:25:15 hmmm .. :) it sounds easy in my head ! :)) Jun 10 14:26:14 Problem is that a fundamental desirable propertyy of encryption is that a single bit input difference causes a total change in the output. Jun 10 14:27:59 :/ Jun 10 14:28:51 so the voice problem is on the phone or phone central part ? Jun 10 14:29:12 if in phone, why isn't anybody producing a fully open GSM chip Jun 10 14:29:25 It's the network Jun 10 14:29:31 I should have this in a macro Jun 10 14:29:37 Problem is you have: Jun 10 14:30:35 Mic->A/D->GSM encode -> RF (+ errors) -> GSM decode -> phone network -> GSM encode -> RF + errors -> GSM decode -> D/A -> speaker Jun 10 14:31:13 and the bugger thing is in 'GSM decode -> phone network -> GSM encode' ... Jun 10 14:31:23 GSM is designed so that a low number of errors are inaudible - but they do change teh actual bitstream of the output. Jun 10 14:31:32 No - it's the codecs and the errors Jun 10 14:31:50 but I could change the codec on both moko ends Jun 10 14:31:51 these together act to totally scramble any signal that isn't voice-like Jun 10 14:32:15 yeah - in principle - though you can't actually in the existing hardware Jun 10 14:32:36 yah Jun 10 14:32:54 hi guys...what framerate and rendering should I use? Jun 10 14:33:27 I'll wait for a future version where it'll be possible then :/ Jun 10 14:34:16 BBishop: what? Jun 10 14:34:24 to change the codec :) Jun 10 14:34:31 BBishop: It doesn't help Jun 10 14:34:45 I'd have thought you'd be better off just using encrypted VoIP via a wifi connection for any secure calls you need to make Jun 10 14:35:09 BBishop: you've still got catastrophic 'encryption' of non-voice like signals due to the RF errors, and the GSM decode/encode cycle in the phone network Jun 10 14:35:10 yeah, but wifi isn't everywhere :/ Jun 10 14:35:20 GPRS and push-talk isn't _too_ bad Jun 10 14:35:29 So you have 2-3s delays? Jun 10 14:35:33 Does it matter? Jun 10 14:35:40 it's okay for some uses yeah Jun 10 14:35:40 the gprs works like crap ! Jun 10 14:35:46 tons of latency Jun 10 14:35:49 not all uses, but some uses Jun 10 14:39:31 any advancements on 06102009 shr-unstable? Jun 10 14:39:58 new dbus Jun 10 14:40:01 new libusb Jun 10 14:40:06 inclusion of libmokoui Jun 10 14:40:09 new framework & new settings Jun 10 14:44:05 great Jun 10 15:28:51 do we get "DONT PANIC " back? Jun 10 15:51:09 how can i set to start program at startup? Jun 10 15:54:14 via .xinit? Jun 10 15:54:33 xinitrc Jun 10 15:55:42 mihairu: at startup of what? Jun 10 16:02:45 PaulFertser: xserver Jun 10 16:03:52 mihairu: on my debian it's ~/.xsession Jun 10 16:04:04 mihairu: so, it's distro and config-dependent. Jun 10 16:04:17 PaulFertser: on my gentoo is xinitrc :)) Jun 10 16:04:57 mihairu: probably .xinitrc? Or are you using a system-wide file? Jun 10 16:05:26 * jc1 finally, fix the planet.. Jun 10 16:05:37 PaulFertser: i'll try both and i'll see Jun 10 16:05:44 jc1: :) Jun 10 16:06:01 PaulFertser: yes, sir. Jun 10 16:06:02 mihairu: i'd try to investigate my configs instead. Jun 10 16:07:12 feeds from wordpress.com is the trouble maker. Jun 10 16:07:21 now should be ok. Jun 10 16:08:07 * PaulFertser never read planet om but still congrats jc with successful bug hunting :) Jun 10 16:10:22 need to write a mail to explain this. Jun 10 16:11:47 I would like to write "the mess on the planet is the result of fixing one bug, and this mess is fixed by killing the fix of the bug". make people more confuse. Jun 10 16:13:26 PaulFertser: thanks. :) Jun 10 16:30:37 yea Jun 10 16:32:12 an the time is correct!!! Jun 10 16:33:03 slaxxer: what time? Jun 10 16:33:10 i suppose FR time :p Jun 10 16:33:27 be shr-unstable today Jun 10 16:33:40 0610 Jun 10 16:49:02 yea libxaw Jun 10 16:52:07 installed a few programs an noticed time was off by 6 hours Jun 10 16:56:31 wonder if DOOM will run on it? Jun 10 17:07:35 even mokoconv installed with no errors Jun 10 17:08:34 but it wont come up Jun 10 17:43:42 * Failed to download http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/ipk/all/Packages.gz, error 200 Jun 10 17:43:44 ... Jun 10 17:43:59 "this error is not an error" Jun 10 17:50:21 hmm Jun 10 17:50:26 could someone kick MaryKate? Jun 10 17:50:53 Welcome dos1 .::.hey babe new site for the hottest male and females around the uk no charge whatsoever totally free chat (( its *blah blah, some site* )) without the spaces xx .::. Jun 10 18:02:52 MaryKate is a spambot Jun 10 18:04:59 tim_abell: i know ;p that's why i want someone to kick/ban it Jun 10 18:05:08 ah Jun 10 18:05:17 you've just joined Jun 10 18:05:18 :) Jun 10 18:06:00 no chanopts :( Jun 10 18:06:06 chanops rather Jun 10 18:06:13 brb Jun 10 18:18:23 Is there anyone here from tuxbrain? Jun 10 18:47:03 hi! what's the most functional distribution/way to use the neo1973? Jun 10 18:47:19 (I've been out of the moko loop a looong time...) Jun 10 18:47:26 toxx_: i think SHR should be good Jun 10 18:47:58 dos1: what about the battery problems? have they been fixed or have they been determined to be HW? Suspend? Does it work now? Jun 10 18:48:39 toxx_: dunno if suspend works ok on gta01. battery should work i think Jun 10 18:49:33 toxx_: suspend works on gta01 Jun 10 18:49:36 Suspend works on GTA01 if you edit the uboot command line as it was stated somewhere in the Wiki Jun 10 18:49:44 dos1: 'should work' does that mean 'runs for a short while'? Jun 10 18:49:53 But the Wiki is a mess, so I have no idea where :0 Jun 10 18:49:54 thrashold: or if you use Qi. Jun 10 18:50:15 toxx_: why for a short while? Jun 10 18:50:21 toxx_: i thought you mean battery meter Jun 10 18:50:23 :x Jun 10 18:50:26 toxx_: most problems with power consumption of gta01 are hardware and really hard to fix. Jun 10 18:50:54 PaulFertser: how hard? I can solder 0603 and 0402 if really needed. are there fixes available? Jun 10 18:52:03 toxx_: unfortunately, i don't know it myself. But you can get that knowledge if you ask alphaone|gone , DocScrutinizer and wpwrak. Jun 10 18:53:19 toxx_: so far no SOP issued and i'm unsure if any list of possible fixes even exist. But i think it'd be a nice idea to try to consolidate it. Too bad not many gta01 can solder 0402 :-/ Jun 10 18:53:50 what are 01 battery probs? Jun 10 18:56:30 No idea :-/ Jun 10 18:56:46 SpeedEvil: too quick emptying of the battery. 2h max. Jun 10 18:57:05 SpeedEvil: and I only know of the still? unofficial cpufreq patch Jun 10 18:57:26 toxx_: i'm asking Werner about fixes atm. Jun 10 18:58:11 PaulFertser: ok... seems like I bought an expensive dev board :-/ Well, what other open hardware phone choices are there? Is GTA02 really ok or should I consider something different than openmoko? Jun 10 18:58:17 PaulFertser: thx! Jun 10 18:59:00 toxx_: i know that one guy actually uses his gta01 as a regular cellphone. Jun 10 19:00:53 toxx_: i think he gets about 4h without using suspend. Jun 10 19:01:13 PaulFertser: probably with a long USB charger cable and headphones all the time... Jun 10 19:01:29 PaulFertser: ah,ok. sounds *almost* reasonable. Jun 10 19:02:51 so... any idea for an open phone where at least the lowlevel stuff works? I can and want to configure high level stuff myself... but I like to have a phone where the hardware platform is tested. Jun 10 19:03:19 toxx_: freerunner is maximum open you can get now. And lowlevel stuff mostly works. Jun 10 19:03:45 toxx_: That's not a fault Jun 10 19:03:46 toxx_: power consumption is reasonable, especially with suspend that works (well, not atm because of some FSO/dbus problems). Jun 10 19:03:46 PaulFertser: no gta02 suspend issues? what's the bat. lifetime? Jun 10 19:03:58 toxx_: I've had my 01 playing music for 10h Jun 10 19:04:00 ok fso/dbus is solvable. Jun 10 19:04:07 SpeedEvil: gta01? Jun 10 19:04:10 yes Jun 10 19:04:12 SpeedEvil: how? Jun 10 19:04:21 do you have an image? Jun 10 19:04:27 toxx_: without using it at all FR can sleep in suspend with GSM activated for 130-140h. Jun 10 19:04:43 toxx_: screen and everything else off, voltage underclocked slightly, an old version of mplayer Jun 10 19:05:57 PaulFertser: sounds good. what are the hw problems? I understand that I'll buy a dev phone so at least the HW stuff has to work. maybe openmoko gets a second chance (gta02) from me, but only if they learned their lesson of providing at least working hardware (no offense, but that's the level I'll accept as a linux-hack-phone) Jun 10 19:06:43 As to image - it may have been 2007.2 even Jun 10 19:06:50 toxx_: gta02 has three major hardware issues. Jun 10 19:07:13 'm all ears :-) Jun 10 19:07:15 is the gsm radio for gta02 open? Jun 10 19:07:24 toxx_: first, GSM BUZZ. Some shops already ship buzz-fixed version, some not. Jun 10 19:07:32 milo79: no Jun 10 19:07:35 milo79: same as gta01, fully closed but reflashable. Jun 10 19:07:58 icic thanks.. Jun 10 19:08:05 toxx_: fix is not that hard, replace one conveniently located 0402 R and solder a 100uF nearby. Jun 10 19:08:20 toxx_: though this doesn't fix buzz for a wired headset. Jun 10 19:08:42 PaulFertser: ok.. do the factory buzz-fixed versions allow good headset use? Jun 10 19:08:56 toxx_: the second is #1024. In some cell network conditions the modem continiously recamps if allowed to deep sleep. Jun 10 19:09:17 toxx_: no, only A8 should fix all buzz issues but it wasn't MP. Jun 10 19:09:27 <[Rui]> Hi, what's the best tracker for paroli bugs? I have a few for all those python wizzards... Jun 10 19:09:33 <[Rui]> anxiously waiting for an unstable build with the fix for FSO#435 bug Jun 10 19:09:40 toxx_: this (disabling deep sleep) adds at least 4mA in suspend. Jun 10 19:10:29 more like 8mA Jun 10 19:10:43 toxx_: to fix it one needs to fully disassemle FR, take out GSM can (easy if you careful), replace one conveniently located 0805 cap. Jun 10 19:10:46 [Rui]: http://www.paroli-project.org/trac/ i would have thought, though i'm only just finding my feet Jun 10 19:11:49 toxx_: the third one is lack of bass in wired headset. Fix is very adhoc and the idea is to locate some decent caps outside the can. Tested, easy enough. Jun 10 19:12:01 DocScrutinizer: want to see my useless buzzfix? Jun 10 19:12:11 seen Jun 10 19:12:17 Ok... so except for the headphone buzz, everything is fixable by soldering? Jun 10 19:12:29 Is the rev. a8 available, shipping already? Jun 10 19:12:31 DocScrutinizer: are you convinced that random iron is ok to secure the wire in place? Jun 10 19:12:32 wonder why U call it useless Jun 10 19:12:44 toxx_: no, a8 is not MP yet. Jun 10 19:13:25 DocScrutinizer: because i desoldered the wire that connected buzz-fix cap to the point and then soldered it again using ridiculously large soldering iron. How can one find it useful? Jun 10 19:13:50 * tim_abell wonders if sony ericsson will ever support "root@om-gta02:~# reboot" Jun 10 19:13:58 PaulFertser: thx alot! so.. when is the a8 to be expected? are there any other 'not-really-minor' hw issues? Jun 10 19:14:17 toxx_: probably never. Or in a year... Jun 10 19:14:34 toxx_: if you need a headset it's better to try to use bluetooth. Jun 10 19:15:05 SpeedEvil: thx for your 2007.1 description. But I think I also need something recent as a base. Is there any good distri for 01 which activates cpufreq and makes the 01 'as good as possible'? Jun 10 19:15:10 Do BT headsets actually work? - has anyone here had them working and made/recieved calls? Jun 10 19:15:13 toxx_: oops Jun 10 19:15:27 toxx_: that was also downclocked to 60MHz through uboot option Jun 10 19:15:36 toxx_: why don't you try current SHR unstable? With the latest kernel i just fixed ;) Jun 10 19:15:38 toxx_: and cpufreq isn't active for anything Jun 10 19:15:46 (yet) Jun 10 19:15:53 * SpeedEvil looks at cesarb. Jun 10 19:16:07 SpeedEvil: i'm sure jlubbe actually used it. As he wrote some working support in FSO., Jun 10 19:16:29 PaulFertser: I diddn't know anyone had completed cesarb's patches. Jun 10 19:16:34 SpeedEvil: last cpufreq stuff: http://www.mail-archive.com/openmoko-kernel@lists.openmoko.org/msg09366.html Jun 10 19:16:38 <[Rui]> tim_abell: the thing is that there are various possible places, like the fso one :) Jun 10 19:16:38 <[Rui]> I mean, the Om one, where they ask for Om2009 tag :) Jun 10 19:16:39 Or implemented something similar. Jun 10 19:16:47 PaulFertser: ok, you're shr maintainer? and the gta01 is usable? I'll try it then... :-) Jun 10 19:16:56 toxx_: no, i'm not a developer of anything Jun 10 19:17:10 toxx_: and i don't own gta01. Jun 10 19:17:12 Ah - right. Mum was in hospice at that point, I wasn't tracking much of anything. Jun 10 19:17:23 SpeedEvil: ok, 60Mhz is really slow, thats about 1/3 the nominal clock isn't it? Jun 10 19:17:39 toxx_: yes Jun 10 19:17:44 [Rui]: that #435 is a killer bug. Jun 10 19:17:49 http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/435 Jun 10 19:18:07 so... is there cpufreq scaling for gta02? or is full speed, always acceptable? Jun 10 19:18:11 my gf was not happy after she'd tried to call me 6 times on it Jun 10 19:18:30 toxx_: but SHR cares about gta01. And i care (sometimes) about some kernel bugs. So any decent reports are welcome. Jun 10 19:18:40 toxx_: see my link wrt cpufreq. Jun 10 19:19:12 toxx_: and i don't think it's really much of a gain anyway. Jun 10 19:19:22 PaulFertser: it is - with the screen off Jun 10 19:19:34 Without something like zero-clock in OMAP we're screwed anyway. Jun 10 19:19:42 SpeedEvil: how much are the savings? Jun 10 19:19:43 <[Rui]> tim_abell: yeah, but I did not have success with the fix they mention in that bug, actually I had to reinstall the development image I'm running on Jun 10 19:19:59 PaulFertser: it went down to I think 80mA idle Jun 10 19:20:24 SpeedEvil: and without downclocking? Jun 10 19:20:28 PaulFertser: this was underclocked to 60MHz, with some bus voltages lowered to spec Jun 10 19:20:41 * SpeedEvil looks for wiki page Jun 10 19:22:22 Sorry - don't find it. From memory 200mA - screen off Jun 10 19:22:25 I think both at 4V Jun 10 19:22:42 SpeedEvil: wow, then it's a really decent saving. Jun 10 19:22:57 Also - 12MHz is available - though not with USB Jun 10 19:23:06 Which is a pity Jun 10 19:25:25 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_GTA01_Power_Management#Approximate_power_draw_of_various_subsystems Jun 10 19:25:34 and scroll down a little to measured results Jun 10 19:25:57 is that cpufreq in andy-tracking? Jun 10 19:26:51 PaulFertser, SpeedEvil: ok, thank you for all your explanations. I'll try SHR and see how far I can get. I must admit that I do not have high expectations on battery run time and GSM functionality (the core parts of a phone, after all...). Unfortunately, I think that without a HW/lowlevel-wise working setup, I'll rather buy something different than openmoko stuff for a linux phone. Especially if there is no fixed 02 yet. Any ideas for an alternat Jun 10 19:26:51 ive? Jun 10 19:28:11 toxx_: no fixed 02? Jun 10 19:28:14 I could say 'I've had my GTA01 running on battery for a week uninterrupted' - which would be strictly accurate - but it was a car battery. Jun 10 19:28:21 dos1: i guess no Jun 10 19:28:23 hehe :-) Jun 10 19:28:35 my new lead acid phone :-) Jun 10 19:28:45 toxx_: what do you mean by no fixed 02? Jun 10 19:29:31 PaulFertser: no fix for the headphone buzz stuff. and if gta01s speaker and microphone capabilities are anywhere near the ones from gta02, i'd seriously consider using a headphone. Jun 10 19:29:48 toxx_: if you're into lowlevel hacking you can buy some HTC Dream or Raphael. But they're not really supported yet. Jun 10 19:30:14 toxx_: hm, i use gta02 as my only cellphone for half a year. Jun 10 19:31:15 PaulFertser: how many of people like you are there? Jun 10 19:31:43 toxx_: me too Jun 10 19:31:53 PaulFertser: is openmoko still producing stuff or did they stop production completely? Jun 10 19:31:57 toxx_: about 1000 are using FR as a cell phone daily i guess. Jun 10 19:32:29 toxx_: MP is suspended but only because there's enough devices in stock. As soon as needed they can produce another batch (at least they claim so). Jun 10 19:32:29 PaulFertser: ok, I'll see. what are the cheapest supplies for 02s in germany? Jun 10 19:33:23 PaulFertser: how many 02s are in circulation? more like 1e3 or more like 1e5? Jun 10 19:34:03 toxx_: ~10k i think Jun 10 19:34:05 toxx_: ~1e4, probably 1.5e4 Jun 10 19:36:17 PaulFertser: sounds not too bad in terms of available 'mindshare and community support' if OM closes completely. I think I'll look where I can get one cheaply. Jun 10 19:36:58 ah, there is one thing still: for om01 there was an sd/mmc bug which was somehow hardware related which caused silent filesystem corruption. are there any similar issues in gta02? Jun 10 19:38:03 toxx_: no, hardware bug resulting in silent corruption? I've never heard of that. Jun 10 19:38:57 PaulFertser: well, it had an unknown cause but suspected to be hw bug at that time. corruption occured on the MMC/SD file system and only there. Jun 10 19:39:38 toxx_: looks like the famous suspend bug that corrupted MBR of SD cards. Jun 10 19:39:40 PaulFertser: another thing: are the additionals like GPS, bluetooth and especially wifi working? Jun 10 19:39:56 PaulFertser: yeah, maybe it was that thing. is it fixed? Jun 10 19:40:50 toxx_: wifi is fucked up. Works with some (i guess most) APs. With some it just doesn't. Sometimes wlan firmware crashes. No real fix for that at all (except probably the daemon to fully reload it automatically will be finished sometime). Jun 10 19:41:03 toxx_: sure, it was upstream bug affecting many devices including OLPC. Jun 10 19:41:47 PaulFertser: the worst wifi issue is a kernel bug though Jun 10 19:41:48 PaulFertser: ok, so basically very flakey wifi. sounds like another major hw bug to me. Is there any fix on the horizon? Jun 10 19:42:04 lindi-: which will be fixed, i hope Jun 10 19:42:36 what part is kernel (what results), what part is hw? What's the bug in the tracker? Jun 10 19:42:37 toxx_: "No real fix for that at all". Never, wlan chip is too smart and the firmware is closed and even OM has no way to upgrade it. Jun 10 19:43:15 toxx_: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2277 Jun 10 19:43:19 toxx_: there're some nasty bugs in wlan firmware. Will never be fixed most probably. Jun 10 19:43:27 toxx_: the kernel bug will be fixed soon (i hope). Jun 10 19:43:31 PaulFertser: ok thanks alot. That's a real showstopper for me. If I buy 02, I want to have working wifi. I'll not waste another couple 100eur on non-working wifi phone. Jun 10 19:44:00 toxx_: you can use an external usb dongle ;) Jun 10 19:44:59 PaulFertser: and break the phone mechanically in less than 1h. no thanks. (yeah, I sound cynical, I know, but with the OM obvious mismanagement and all that, I'm highly skeptical that even this will work :-) Jun 10 19:45:21 toxx_: connecting usb devices works for sure. Jun 10 19:46:14 PaulFertser: ok. but a stick attached to the phone for wifi is still a no-go. with wifi i want to be able in principle to connect to asterisk and do voip. even if that needs all kind of cross compilation, no problem. but if the hw part is not working, no thanks. but thank you for your explanations! Jun 10 19:46:41 toxx_: if you find a decent open enough device please share your experience too! Jun 10 19:47:30 toxx_: wifi was stable enough for me in b8b36e5ec3db71d55d0edf944deec5cc3a33ce85 Jun 10 19:47:35 toxx_: well. wifi is working ok for me Jun 10 19:48:19 Guys, it works with _some_ (probably most) APs. Jun 10 19:48:22 * SpeedEvil wishes he had more time. Jun 10 19:48:26 I want to try 01-wifi Jun 10 19:48:37 01wifi? Jun 10 19:48:37 And sometimes wmiconfig -i eth0 --power maxperf is necessary. Jun 10 19:48:46 And sometimes even that doesn't help. Jun 10 19:48:46 (jam wifi card in place of GPS antenna, add mini ceramic GPS ant) Jun 10 19:49:07 dos1: does it work after ifconfig eth0 down; ifconfig eth0 up? Jun 10 19:49:25 PaulFertser: it worked for me on 2.6.24. then it didn't in 2.6.28, while it worked to others Jun 10 19:49:28 lindi-: we don't do that ;) Jun 10 19:49:34 dos1: i know Jun 10 19:49:35 PaulFertser: but now it's working good on 2.6.29 Jun 10 19:49:42 dos1: really? Jun 10 19:49:47 Oh, really? That's news. Nice to hear. Jun 10 19:49:49 dos1: can you try the above command Jun 10 19:49:57 PaulFertser: maybe I am expecting too much from openmoko, but if I compare e.g. a good, also 100% open linux dev board to it (like the avr32 ngw100), I get a lot more bang for the buck, and every part of the HW works. Jun 10 19:49:58 lindi-: i'm using connman Jun 10 19:50:07 dos1: still, can you please try the above commands Jun 10 19:50:09 lindi-: ok Jun 10 19:50:23 toxx_: but can you use that devboard as a phone? Jun 10 19:51:38 A big phone - yes :) Jun 10 19:51:51 ($40 USB GSM, ...) Jun 10 19:53:50 PaulFertser: no, surely not. but I think that this is an example of a company getting their focus right :-) Jun 10 19:54:03 SpeedEvil: is there an explanation for the wifi 01 hack? Jun 10 19:54:05 toxx_: sure. Jun 10 19:56:15 PaulFertser: also, and I think that this has probably been discussed to no end here, I think that OM basically poisoned the open phone idea. there will be a LOONG time before someone tries something similar again if OM does not adapt and survice. Jun 10 20:01:32 SpeedEvil: what kind of wifi card (brand?) do you replace the gps antenna with? is there a wiki page or something? Jun 10 20:09:57 openmoko: 03rehar * r5118 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/STATUS: Review fa2012, wm8753l and 74x1g00_5 Jun 10 20:26:07 PaulFertser: ok, I'm in progress of downloading SHR. do i need a new bootloader or does uboot suffice? Jun 10 20:26:29 toxx_: uboot should work. Jun 10 20:26:32 toxx_: no - this is in my head at the moment, and I have no time for development. Barring sponsorship. Jun 10 20:29:52 SpeedEvil, PaulFertser: ok, thank you. there is no qi in http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing/Neo1973/? whats the best qi to flash to neo? (yes I have a devboard but I like to avoid using it... :) Jun 10 20:31:00 toxx_: http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/experimental/Neo1973/ Jun 10 20:31:19 toxx_: you need to be careful and read Qi wikipage first Jun 10 20:32:38 * SpeedEvil has never used Qi. Jun 10 20:33:02 PaulFertser: yeah, I did but it said that the above dir contains the files getting ready for release (so I thought beta or even more stable). but instead there are only files in experimental and unstable..? isn't experimental even more unstable than unstable? Jun 10 20:33:29 toxx_: Qi is stable enough. Jun 10 20:33:40 toxx_: and only recent version include SDHC support anyway. Jun 10 20:33:42 PaulFertser: qi from experimental? Jun 10 20:34:00 toxx_: (though probably it doesn't work with all the cards, i don't have gta01 to test) Jun 10 20:34:08 toxx_: why don't you try to boot shr with u-boot first? Jun 10 20:34:54 PaulFertser: I will. but SpeedEvil said 'no'... Jun 10 20:35:06 Did I? Jun 10 20:35:14 toxx_: he doesn't :) Jun 10 20:35:31 I said no to your question on the wifi-01 mod Jun 10 20:35:32 toxx_: it's just that i'm biased towards qi because i can hack it :) Jun 10 20:35:36 SpeedEvil: no? no no? ah, ok :-) Jun 10 20:36:05 SpeedEvil: ok, so what is your *idea* 'bout the wifi? Jun 10 20:36:26 As I said above. Jun 10 20:36:57 Remove big GPS antenna, replace with USB wifi card, slightly modded, replace GPS antenna with ceramic tiny antenna, and amplifier. Jun 10 20:37:11 so.. just wild thoughts? ok. I'll not ask anymore. if i one day get a 02 (however unlikely), I'll come back and ask again :-) Jun 10 20:37:16 Add miscellaneous stuff like power control, and it's pretty much done. Jun 10 20:37:41 SpeedEvil: and find the right form factor wifi card... Jun 10 20:37:49 I have one Jun 10 20:38:04 usb stick? which one? Jun 10 20:38:39 Sorry - I don't have a link right now - zydas zd1211 IIRC Jun 10 20:38:51 It's a bit power hungry, but basically works Jun 10 20:39:45 interesting! Jun 10 20:40:38 * tim_abell wishes all the iphone fanboys who keep showing me their shiny new jails new the value of freedom Jun 10 20:50:25 could someone knowledgeable clarify the status of http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/435 for me? Jun 10 20:50:55 i'm trying to use the fr as a daily phone in earnest and this is the biggest issue i have come up against Jun 10 20:52:00 i read the whole bug and related bugs but am a little lost Jun 10 20:52:26 i guess what i want to know is, is anyone working on it, and how are they getting on Jun 10 20:56:13 tim_abell: it's being worked on. Jun 10 20:56:24 i'm mid opkg upgrade, and i see rules.yaml has changed. does that mean i have the potential fix? Jun 10 20:56:41 i'm on Om2009 Jun 10 20:57:28 tim_abell: i doubt it, i didn't see any commit messages. Just try to do (edit file yourself) what dos1 suggests. Jun 10 20:57:58 k, thanks Jun 10 20:58:07 i should have looked at the diff. doh. Jun 10 21:04:43 toxx_: still here? Jun 10 21:04:50 PaulFertser: yes! Jun 10 21:05:13 toxx_: our hardware gurus said that basically you need to find some 1k pull-ups/downs and change that to 10k. For a start :) Jun 10 21:05:27 toxx_: and that nobody really analised how to fix gta01 and never tried that. Jun 10 21:05:43 toxx_: the guy using it says he needs power every ~4h. Jun 10 21:06:01 PaulFertser: this is 1k to 10k for what? Jun 10 21:06:13 toxx_: how old is your gta01 - what version? Jun 10 21:06:54 SpeedEvil: for unknown reasons there're some pullup 1k resistors. And they suck 3.3 mA continiously... Jun 10 21:07:03 ah Jun 10 21:07:04 SpeedEvil: "model name gta01bv4" on the sticker in the inside Jun 10 21:08:19 PaulFertser: that sounds very interesting. do you have a pointer to a page with PCB layouts and exact locations of the resistors etc.? Jun 10 21:08:23 toxx_: earlier versions had problems keeping modem functional in suspend. Yours is ok. Jun 10 21:08:44 PaulFertser: clues if the resistors are in cans or not? Jun 10 21:08:46 toxx_: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/schematics/ Jun 10 21:08:52 PaulFertser: thank you! Jun 10 21:08:59 SpeedEvil: no. But cans are easy to take off. Jun 10 21:09:17 toxx_: be careful with the cans. Do it patiently. Jun 10 21:09:28 k Jun 10 21:09:30 what are these "cans"? Jun 10 21:09:38 little tin cans. Jun 10 21:09:43 That cover bits of the PCV Jun 10 21:09:49 PCB Jun 10 21:09:54 toxx_: just patience and don't push too hard. Try doing several rounds of lifting can a little bit from all accessible places. Again and again. And it will get off. Jun 10 21:09:56 to stop the magic leaking out. Jun 10 21:10:01 oh, like for radio shielding Jun 10 21:10:04 lol Jun 10 21:11:19 Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/armv4/Packages.gz, error 404 Jun 10 21:11:22 is that bad? Jun 10 21:11:30 from opkg update Jun 10 21:11:42 i see someone mentioned it in #paroli too Jun 10 21:11:45 no tim_abell: because that url doesn't exist :) Jun 10 21:11:47 PaulFertser: which Rs should be replaced? Jun 10 21:11:59 toxx_: look at schem, nobody knows (i hope yet). Jun 10 21:12:16 is bad in terms of getting an upgrade? Jun 10 21:12:20 toxx_: just look over schematics and try to find unreasonable pull-ups/downs for a start. Jun 10 21:12:49 and does it mean my om2009 is misconfigured? Jun 10 21:12:52 PaulFertser: ehh... so nobody tried yet? who had the idea? Jun 10 21:13:07 toxx_: looks like you'll be the first. Jun 10 21:13:46 toxx_: those pullups still doesn't explain _that_ much consumption of course. Jun 10 21:14:05 don't explain Jun 10 21:14:09 PaulFertser: ok... so power consumption is high for unknown reasons? Jun 10 21:14:20 PaulFertser: and this is directly from the OM hw guys? Jun 10 21:14:50 PaulFertser: well, I can have a look... Jun 10 21:15:02 toxx_: OM hw guys have no idea ;-) Jun 10 21:15:07 lol Jun 10 21:15:37 DocScrutinizer: still 4h of uptime is too low even if there're like 20 pullups every sucking 4mA. Jun 10 21:15:51 sure Jun 10 21:16:38 there's probably a freakin lot of odds with gta01 Jun 10 21:17:27 think about the 60mA tty leakage on gta02, when modem was powerdown - lol Jun 10 21:17:42 60mA? that sounds almost like shortcircuit?? Jun 10 21:18:27 really, OM hw guys have nod idea what might be a comprehensive list of GTA01 issues fixed with gta02 Jun 10 21:19:50 toxx_: yeah, that was funny. But it was a software error, tty lines were feeding power to a turned off modem. Jun 10 21:20:22 toxx_: in case you don't know, DocScrutinizer knows what he talks about -- he's a former OM employee. Jun 10 21:20:56 toxx_: and he has a +100 voodoo-hw-power spell Jun 10 21:21:09 ah, I see. Jun 10 21:21:55 DocScrutinizer: why did you leave? wrong question? Jun 10 21:22:06 huh? Jun 10 21:22:14 :-) Jun 10 21:22:33 question? Jun 10 21:22:42 nevermind... :) Jun 10 21:23:03 k Jun 10 21:24:15 so.. back to topic: is 2007.11 really the latest official image available? in the experimental part, there's only kernel+uboot is that right? Jun 10 21:24:54 toxx_: forget about anything official. Jun 10 21:25:00 toxx_: it doesn't matter. Jun 10 21:25:21 DocScrutinizer: small question, can't find the info on the compatible audiojack convertors Jun 10 21:25:30 Zork|Away: or not again. Jun 10 21:25:37 Zork|Away: look on the wiki - search for nokia headset Jun 10 21:25:38 IIRC Jun 10 21:25:42 do you know how i can see if it's a good one? (to convert 2.5 to 3.5) Jun 10 21:25:43 Zork|Away: pinout is simple and listed on wiki. Jun 10 21:25:48 ok, thanks Jun 10 21:26:08 Zork|Away: by using multimeter to deduce the converter pinout. Jun 10 21:26:32 PaulFertser: well, my progress right now is that shr kernel does not fit into nand. so i have to use mmc. so i have to first reactivate my nand partition with something that accesses mmc. (or i take the mmc/sdhc out, but that could be the last card swap for the tiny fragile sdhc slot..) Jun 10 21:27:06 PaulFertser: and somehow the official image breaks somewhere. Jun 10 21:27:30 toxx_: hm, i think the kernel should fit into nand. If it doesn't it should be fixed... Jun 10 21:27:43 PaulFertser: it doesnt. about 2.3MB. Jun 10 21:27:49 Zork|Away: the adapter must be 4 rings. Jun 10 21:28:02 (for shr) Jun 10 21:28:03 toxx_: hm, probably you need for the new shr unstable image to built. Jun 10 21:28:14 PaulFertser: can't use multimeters on products in most stores.. Jun 10 21:28:18 toxx_: or you can download the kernel i compiled. Jun 10 21:28:23 PaulFertser: where? Jun 10 21:28:49 kernel>2M uBoot-env issue? Jun 10 21:28:58 DocScrutinizer: yes Jun 10 21:29:00 toxx_: https://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org/files/gta01/linux.bin-josch Jun 10 21:29:22 toxx_: and modules-GTA01_andy-tracking-9f3e323de17bec59.tar.gz from there Jun 10 21:29:35 PaulFertser: does the modules in the shr fit or do i need new ones, too? Jun 10 21:29:36 toxx_: ah, that kernel is not dfu-utilable, i think Jun 10 21:29:37 ah Jun 10 21:29:53 toxx_: i didn't install the tool (mkudfu) Jun 10 21:30:14 is there a lot of audio quality if I just cut the openmoko supplied headphones and connect them to the wires fo another headphone? Jun 10 21:30:25 Nope. Jun 10 21:30:26 Zork|Away: without bass fix? Jun 10 21:30:26 *loss in audio quality i mean Jun 10 21:30:30 Essentially zero. Jun 10 21:30:36 (but you will not get much bass) Jun 10 21:30:43 yeah i know :( Jun 10 21:30:49 SpeedEvil: have you compared before and after bass fix? Jun 10 21:30:52 In principle,you could add a headphone amp, and that would recover all bass. Jun 10 21:31:04 toxx_: If you want to avoid removing the SD card, it's possible to use a small kernel+rootfs in NAND that exports the SD card as a USB Storage gadget. Jun 10 21:31:08 PaulFertser: no - I haven't had time to play recently Jun 10 21:31:16 i have a bt reciever i use, but can't charge and play it at the same time in my car Jun 10 21:31:22 mmontour: i'm looking for exactly that, as simple as possible. any pointers? Jun 10 21:31:54 I did it a while ago for GTA02 (give me a minute to find the link...) Jun 10 21:32:15 SpeedEvil: no, it's proved by some calculations that it won't. If you look at the schem, you'll see there're two R's in parallel to the headphones. Jun 10 21:32:19 mmontour: no, stop, thanks, I have gta01 :-) Jun 10 21:33:27 As i haven't tried to listen to the music before implementing the bass fix i have nothing to compare with. Jun 10 21:33:35 For gta01 you'd need to swap in an appropriate kernel + g_file_storage.ko module. Jun 10 21:33:38 SpeedEvil: U got 1uF/1kR highpass Jun 10 21:33:40 PaulFertser: yes - but with infinite impedence phones - as you'd get with an amp - that doesn't matter? Jun 10 21:33:54 * SpeedEvil needs to look at the schematic at some point. Jun 10 21:33:55 SpeedEvil: they're in parallel Jun 10 21:33:56 mmontour: ok... Jun 10 21:34:38 SpeedEvil: see my mail wrt this from ~15months ago Jun 10 21:35:00 Yeah Jun 10 21:35:05 on a related matter Jun 10 21:35:05 SpeedEvil: 1k to ground Jun 10 21:35:10 SpeedEvil: on every channel. Jun 10 21:35:38 Is openmoko.com/org secure, or would backing it up to external be an idea Jun 10 21:35:56 toxx_: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2009-March/005135.html as a starting point. The wiki has some info on manipulating jffs2 files on a PC using 'mtdram' and 'mkfs.jffs2'. Jun 10 21:35:59 SpeedEvil: in this mail I calculated freq response for infinite impedance load Jun 10 21:36:10 mmontour: thank you! Jun 10 21:36:41 mmontour: hehe, funny, i always read you name as "m.m. on tour" :-) Jun 10 21:36:52 mmontour: and now i see your real name there. Jun 10 21:36:54 lol, haven't heard that one Jun 10 21:38:03 Hmm. That's spectacularly useful. Download 01 schematics. 'Font Tahoma not found' - and it's all little dots. (eeepc/xandros) Jun 10 21:38:27 * SpeedEvil supposes it's a matter of a new font alias Jun 10 21:57:57 ok, shr booting needs some fixes apparently. late here, so good night. thank you all for your support. bye. Jun 10 21:58:18 ? Jun 10 21:58:23 my shr boots just fine Jun 10 21:58:43 oh he has a gta01 Jun 10 21:58:54 * ndnihil goes back to his other window Jun 10 22:11:48 hurrah, my usb0 now automatically gets its ip Jun 10 22:12:19 added more info to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Using_network-manager in the process Jun 10 22:13:17 in combination with http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#SSH_Extras I can now just plug in in the freerunner and type Jun 10 22:13:17 ssh fr Jun 10 22:13:21 woo Jun 10 22:13:25 progress Jun 10 22:15:04 is it easy to reduce the 10 seconds of holding the power button to turn off in Om2009? Jun 10 22:15:14 it seems ridiculously long Jun 10 22:25:44 gnight, i'll dream of freerunners tonight Jun 10 22:31:55 tim_abell, nightmares? Jun 10 22:32:00 especially for a recessed button Jun 10 22:32:12 lol Jun 10 22:32:46 i have had intractable coding problem nightmares before. not good Jun 10 22:33:14 slaxxer: i have a power button imprint permanently on my finger now Jun 10 22:33:22 i might get tatooed in for laughs Jun 10 22:33:27 haha Jun 10 22:33:33 :) Jun 10 22:34:12 Q Jun 10 23:53:03 hiho, is there an SHR specific IRC channel ? Jun 10 23:55:13 if not, can someone tell me what I can do via an ssh session to reset the enligtenment engine settings back to software ? I changed it to xrandr yesterday and now it dails to boot the ui Jun 10 23:55:33 using shr-testing mid April. Jun 11 02:20:20 anyone know if there's an SHR-specific channel? Jun 11 02:20:56 MadTBone: here and #openmoko-cdevel have SHR devs floating around Jun 11 02:22:00 Toaster`: thanks Jun 11 02:22:11 MadTBone: what's your question? Jun 11 02:22:41 I'm one of the little people in SHR... Jun 11 02:28:16 Toaster`: just general questions....see #openmoko-cdevel Jun 11 02:28:41 Toaster`: though I guess here would be more apropriate. Jun 11 02:29:11 so.... it's been a while since I've tinkered with my gta02... last SHR I tried was around December. What are the major issues that have improved since then? Jun 11 02:30:08 MadTBone: sorry, I lost your message amongst the others **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jun 11 02:59:57 2009