**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 11 02:59:57 2009 Jun 11 06:39:29 hi. on the frontpage latest news section, "New Life in Openmoko Phones" link is broken Jun 11 06:39:42 i'm not sure what it was intended to point at, so i didn't touch it Jun 11 08:55:29 ahoi Jun 11 09:28:49 hi there Jun 11 09:29:01 i'm having a bit of a problem getting gps to work on my gta02v6 Jun 11 09:29:27 fso-gpsd is started, but even after a complete night of sitting on my table under a window pointing to the sky, it has no fix Jun 11 09:29:41 gps is of course activated Jun 11 09:29:46 did i miss something? Jun 11 09:30:06 not all windows are windows at GPS frequencies Jun 11 09:30:16 farhaven: you should be outside to be sure. Jun 11 09:30:33 farhaven: or at least really near (0cm) to the window. Jun 11 09:30:45 Some double glazed windows - most even - have a coating to reflect IR - this also strongly reflects from the window GPS freqs Jun 11 09:30:57 SpeedEvil: ah, didn't know that Jun 11 09:30:58 farhaven: also some app should actually connect to gpsd. Jun 11 09:31:07 yeah, i had tangoGPS running all night Jun 11 09:31:08 farhaven: and not agps-sui or smth like that. Jun 11 09:31:48 there was also a bug involving loading vastly wrong data into the GPS, and confusing it Jun 11 09:32:01 I think that may be fixed though. Jun 11 09:32:07 heh,i hope so :) Jun 11 09:32:19 how long does the very first fix usually take? Jun 11 09:32:36 13 min - worst case Jun 11 09:32:44 if you've got a clear view of the sky Jun 11 09:33:01 okay, another bad point in my setup :) Jun 11 09:33:51 SpeedEvil: was fixed, yes Jun 11 09:34:10 now i only need to get neovento onto an sd and i'm happy :D Jun 11 09:34:15 thanks a lot guys Jun 11 09:34:20 cya Jun 11 09:34:21 SpeedEvil: now both almanac and ephemeri upload works. Jun 11 09:34:30 farhaven: neovento? Jun 11 09:34:50 yeah, this debian based distro using lxde Jun 11 09:35:00 Those guys are strange, i wouldn't trust them. Jun 11 09:35:06 hehe Jun 11 09:35:10 No, really. Jun 11 09:35:12 can you suggest a better distro? Jun 11 09:35:19 I had bad experience talking to them on community ML. Jun 11 09:35:27 farhaven: i use Debian. Jun 11 09:35:43 heh, i tried that yesterday, but i couldn't get gsm to work Jun 11 09:35:57 so i went back to neovento Jun 11 09:36:14 i'm still on the search for a good distro though, so maybe i'll revisit debian Jun 11 09:36:20 farhaven: you weren't persistent enough. Jun 11 09:36:26 lol :D Jun 11 09:36:42 is there some additional thing one has to care for to get gsm to work with debian? Jun 11 09:36:59 farhaven: care to read logs Jun 11 09:37:27 hehe Jun 11 09:40:37 i'm actually running the debian install again right now Jun 11 09:45:59 do you have any tips for using debian on the moko? Jun 11 09:47:09 farhaven: no, i don't do it good. Some other folks would give you a better advice. Jun 11 09:47:21 okay, thanks anyway Jun 11 09:47:22 farhaven: especially in debian openmoko channel. Jun 11 09:47:27 hehe Jun 11 09:47:31 is it here on freenode? Jun 11 09:47:55 Yes, i don't remember the exact channel name Jun 11 10:23:14 Hi, All I have a problem with my freshly installed debian on freerunner when I ssh to it it askes for a defalt passwd thats not "root" nor "password" nor blanc and I have not set one, does any one has sugestions for any more default passwds for a newly installed "debian on neo freerunner" ? Jun 11 10:24:02 try changeme Jun 11 10:24:29 thanks farhaven it worked :-) Jun 11 10:24:41 :) Jun 11 11:57:19 hi! Jun 11 11:57:31 has the openmoko support for opengles? Jun 11 11:58:50 koda: no Jun 11 11:59:19 so, no 3D now Jun 11 11:59:31 :( Jun 11 12:00:38 thanks Jun 11 12:07:43 openmoko support regular opengl Jun 11 12:07:51 (mesa) but only software now) Jun 11 12:08:37 for now Jun 11 12:13:38 max_posedon: who doesn't support software opengl/mesa? Jun 11 12:14:08 PaulFertser, I dont' know who doesn't Jun 11 12:14:32 max_posedon: it's obvious that whereever X works, mesa can work too, i think :) Jun 11 12:32:25 there are better software renderers than mesa, if you actually want to try doing some 3d stuff on the freerunner Jun 11 12:33:06 e.g. fusion2x gives ~10-15fps at 320x240 Jun 11 13:05:05 Elleo, mesa *is* software rendering on neo Jun 11 13:05:21 what software opengl you mean? Jun 11 13:05:28 yes, but it's not *fast* software rendering Jun 11 13:05:51 there are plenty of better software renderers, especially when it comes to embedded platforms without FPUs mesa is pretty much useless Jun 11 13:06:03 that's not the main problem I suspect Jun 11 13:06:38 you do know the graphics card is basically a 1990 or so graphics chip on a bus about 16 bit ISA speed? Jun 11 13:06:55 for more usable renderers look at fusion2x or klimt (not developed anymore though) Jun 11 13:07:33 I know from experience that fusion2x gives reasonable results on the freerunner Jun 11 13:07:42 nothing astounding, but okay Jun 11 13:08:21 slightly faster if you use the renderer directly without the opengl|es api compatibility Jun 11 13:08:32 * ruskie is wondering if he should wait for the N900 or the A7... Jun 11 13:10:09 the fusion2x renderer was originally developed for the gp2x which like the freerunner lacks any real 3d acceleration Jun 11 13:11:14 IIRC the gp2x has a much faster graphics bus thouh Jun 11 13:11:27 it's still usable on the freerunner Jun 11 13:12:04 if you want to see it in action I can send you a demo binary when I get home this evening Jun 11 13:12:22 I have no FR - so unless you're also going to send me one... (GTA01) Jun 11 13:12:27 ah Jun 11 13:12:45 1990 is a bit harsh Jun 11 13:16:10 yeah Jun 11 13:16:14 I meant 1990s Jun 11 13:16:17 typo Jun 11 13:17:31 Elleo: does your demo render to FB? Jun 11 13:20:11 PaulFertser: nope, it renders to an SDL surface Jun 11 13:20:27 Elleo: so why wouldn't it work on gta01? Jun 11 13:20:40 might well do Jun 11 13:20:41 (it'll be just 2 times slower than on FR) Jun 11 13:21:03 SpeedEvil is still welcome to play with it if he wants Jun 11 13:22:18 2*slower rendering - 10* faster transferring to screen Jun 11 13:28:43 Elleo: there's a 3D driver project (actually it's turned into a more general graphics rationalisation project, but 3D is still a part) Jun 11 13:30:07 yeah, I know, but last I checked there wasn't much in the way of actual 3D support yet Jun 11 13:30:35 and iirc even when there is it'll still be limited to 320x240 by the glamo's accelerated surface limitations Jun 11 13:30:55 no, it'll take a while :) Jun 11 13:31:24 it'll still be nice to play with when it's finished though Jun 11 13:31:48 the maximum destination surface size for 3D is 512x512, which means we can do 512x480 which covers most of the usual application area with the illume bars Jun 11 13:32:03 ah right, that's not so bad Jun 11 13:32:17 i really think we need to make the chip work HARD for us Jun 11 14:12:30 openmoko: 03werner * r5119 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (9 files): Jun 11 14:12:30 openmoko: Added Rene's component from June 7: Jun 11 14:12:30 openmoko: - JKK4401: Headset jack - JAR02-062101 Jun 11 14:12:30 openmoko: - REC4301: Speaker Jun 11 14:12:30 openmoko: - MIC4301: Microphone: IMP-413TN Jun 11 14:12:31 openmoko: - CON1701: Battery connector BTP-03JA4G Jun 11 14:12:33 openmoko: - U1, ANT7801, WLAN and Bluetooth antenna Jun 11 16:25:30 who is the debian guy(s) here? Jun 11 16:31:16 #openmoko-debian Jun 11 17:03:54 slackware64 coming up Jun 11 17:48:06 <[Rui]> hopefully I fixed that script that imports vcfs into paroli contacts Jun 11 17:48:57 <[Rui]> or not... the contacts list seems to be rather empty Jun 11 18:38:24 So, after working for a couple months, shr testing is now getting into a bad state for me after each call Jun 11 18:38:51 the call ends, I hit release, and it's disconnected, but dialer doesn't close Jun 11 18:38:58 and at that point, incoming calls don't get through Jun 11 18:41:26 I have to kill -9 and restart frameworkd, and then things will work again, until the next call Jun 11 18:41:48 johnsu01: it looks a bit like the problem i had Jun 11 18:42:05 the weird thing is that the only thing I changed was installing and uninstalling navit Jun 11 18:42:05 johnsu01: dos1 discovered that removing occupyresource(cpu) from rules workarounds the problem. Jun 11 18:42:33 otherwise nothing has been upgraded or changed and things were working just fine Jun 11 18:42:48 PaulFertser: hm, okay Jun 11 18:44:33 (this also still speaks to the other bug in the illume widget where it shouldn't be showing full signal strength when the dbus isn't actually responding) Jun 11 18:45:58 PaulFertser: removing OccupyResource(CPU) from a particular rule or from everywhere? Jun 11 18:48:49 johnsu01: from everywhere. Jun 11 18:50:25 * johnsu01 tries it Jun 11 18:50:40 johnsu01: well, there is one problematic rule Jun 11 19:14:52 playing around with OM2009/Paroli... anyone know about installing apps via opkg... repository seems empty at http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/om-gta02/ Jun 11 19:46:26 hi Jun 11 19:55:47 llo Jun 11 19:55:59 he Jun 11 20:36:34 Wow... Hackable:1 works much better on my Neo now. I wonder if it has something to do with buying an 8GB Kingston MicroSD :) Jun 11 20:45:00 hi! I now try to boot shr with qi on gta01 (uboot didn't do it), but it only boots from int. flash. i have a single partition with a file boot/uImage-GTA01.bin. the ideas from the wiki to get more debug output also do not work. any ideas? Jun 11 20:46:16 toxx_: single partition? Jun 11 20:46:24 toxx_: what card do you use? What filesystem? Jun 11 20:47:05 toxx_: as you have a debug board anyway, it'd be easy to tell what's happening by looking at serial console output. Jun 11 20:47:15 toxx_: be careful with the flex cable, it's fragile! Jun 11 20:53:00 <|if3_> derka derka Jun 11 20:53:57 PaulFertser: ext3, 8gb sdhc. works flawlessly with the om2007.11 in int. flash Jun 11 20:55:04 PaulFertser: and single partition. thanks for the hint with the cable! Jun 11 20:55:41 toxx_: are you going to show me serial console output? Jun 11 20:57:36 PaulFertser: well i have to connect my debug board first... Jun 11 20:57:59 PaulFertser: i see, no chance in getting it to run without the debug board. that's a task for tomorrow. thanks anyway! Jun 11 20:58:12 toxx_: no, there's Jun 11 20:58:29 there is? Jun 11 20:58:44 toxx_: you can try my version that has more delays and less frequency and worked with (probably) damaged sd-slot. Jun 11 20:59:22 PaulFertser: qi or kernel? Jun 11 20:59:35 toxx_: you have qi problems, not kernel, right? Jun 11 20:59:38 yep Jun 11 20:59:53 well, works flawless for internal flash. Jun 11 20:59:56 but that's it. Jun 11 21:00:21 toxx_: well, try my version Jun 11 21:00:36 toxx_: and in fact connecting a debug board doesn't take long. Jun 11 21:00:57 your qi? well, there isn't any way to get it updated to your version without a debug board, is there? Jun 11 21:01:03 (with qi already on it now) Jun 11 21:01:28 toxx_: there is, for sure Jun 11 21:01:34 can i write to mtd from kernel in 2007.11? Jun 11 21:01:42 toxx_: https://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org/files/gta01/qi-s3c2410-master_c5ebdcd95c894130.udfu Jun 11 21:01:48 toxx_: wget it to your device. Jun 11 21:01:59 toxx_: then flasherase_all /dev/mtd0 Jun 11 21:02:27 toxx_: then nandwrite -p /dev/mtd0 qi-s3c2410-master_c5ebdcd95c894130.udfu Jun 11 21:02:30 IIRC Jun 11 21:02:30 ;) Jun 11 21:02:47 toxx_: i did it enough times during F9C Jun 11 21:02:55 f9c? Jun 11 21:03:26 toxx_: fsoshrudevcon -- meeting of fso shr and other developers and users. Jun 11 21:03:49 PaulFertser: ahh, i see! Jun 11 21:03:50 toxx_: because i don't have gta01 i used josch's to debug Qi SDHC support. Jun 11 21:04:19 ehm... sorry for bothering, but where's the ipkg for the nand tools? Jun 11 21:05:25 toxx_: http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/experimental/armv4t/mtd-utils_1.2.0+git-r3_armv4t.ipk should work Jun 11 21:05:52 thanks alot for all your help! Jun 11 21:06:23 uhoh. wrong libc. Jun 11 21:08:07 toxx_: what about http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/mtd-utils_1.1.0-r3_armv4t.opk Jun 11 21:09:39 PaulFertser: what is .opk? ipkg install didn't work on it, I tried. Jun 11 21:09:48 toxx_: just ar x it. Jun 11 21:10:43 ahh, thanks. but in the meantime i got brutal. just updated libc6. Jun 11 21:10:47 seems to work so far. Jun 11 21:10:49 ... Jun 11 21:11:04 toxx_: too dangerous Jun 11 21:11:14 toxx_: you could have used http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2007/ Jun 11 21:12:08 toxx_: like http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2007/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/mtd-utils_1.0.0+git-r7_armv4t.ipk Jun 11 21:12:57 PaulFertser: you're probably very right, but I see myself already attaching the damn dbg board. so I figured that libc6 upgrade is comparable to testing another qi... Jun 11 21:13:16 I'll see what happens. at least I seem to have mtd utils working Jun 11 21:13:49 flash erase and nandwrite worked. Jun 11 21:14:01 I'll reboot. i still hope... :) Jun 11 21:14:37 toxx_: whenever you want to write anything to flash don't forget to erase it first (general advice). Jun 11 21:14:53 ok, bootloader still there.. Jun 11 21:15:16 ahh, booting something. but seems to be internal again. except when shr has the same splash screen. does it? Jun 11 21:15:23 No Jun 11 21:15:32 damn Jun 11 21:16:00 in the wiki it says that qi will not even turn on the backlight. mine does. why Jun 11 21:16:00 ? Jun 11 21:16:09 <|if3_> i love my phone Jun 11 21:16:15 <|if3_> too bad it's going to cost another fucking bill lol Jun 11 21:16:18 <|if3_> but so worth it Jun 11 21:16:18 toxx_: no, qi doesn't Jun 11 21:16:20 <|if3_> i love open source Jun 11 21:16:21 <|if3_> weeeee Jun 11 21:16:22 toxx_: it's your kernel Jun 11 21:16:28 that five lines are already the kernel? Jun 11 21:16:29 ok... Jun 11 21:17:03 <|if3_> it's in my kernel too! Jun 11 21:17:05 <|if3_> hur hur hur Jun 11 21:17:08 <|if3_> running though my veins Jun 11 21:17:34 |if3_: share me some weed Jun 11 21:17:45 Please Jun 11 21:19:28 toxx_: show me the serial output and it'll be obvious what's wrong... Either Qi doesn't see you card or it can't read the kernel from there for whatever reason. Jun 11 21:20:00 toxx_: you don't need any tricky drivers or library to use serial console via debug board btw. Just connect it and it works. Jun 11 21:20:38 I remember there's some hardware trick. You need to power the debug board first iirc. Jun 11 21:20:41 PaulFertser: i see. Jun 11 21:20:50 PaulFertser: i can confirm that i have your bl Jun 11 21:21:21 strings on mtd0 shows the c5ebdcd rev Jun 11 21:21:24 toxx_: ok Jun 11 21:21:57 thank you alot for your help! Jun 11 21:22:09 toxx_: it has really lower SD frequency and more delays. I added more than enough to get it to work with other GTA01 with presumably damaged card holder or with a "picky" card. Jun 11 21:22:21 I think I'll postpone the debug board part, I have a real life and everything :) maybe tomorrow... Jun 11 21:22:38 PaulFertser: what is a 'damaged card holder'? bad contacts? Jun 11 21:22:49 Qi still doesn't use a magic method to use a lower frequency for the first exchanges and then to ramp it up to the card maximum... Jun 11 21:23:18 PaulFertser: ahh, i know these methods, all the 8bit avr mmc codes have it :-) Jun 11 21:23:49 toxx_: this gta01 survived an unsuccesfull attempt of gps-capacitor-fix (not done by me ;) ) and after that the card holder didn't work at all and the guy had to use desoldering wick and stuff and alcohol etc. Jun 11 21:24:10 toxx_: as does current driver in OM kernel Jun 11 21:24:19 ok. i wouldn't expect that you could fix bad contacts with long delays, but it makes some sense.. :-) Jun 11 21:24:48 toxx_: longer delay was needed for a card to work at all. And for it to work properly i needed to lower the frequency. Jun 11 21:25:03 well about the sdhc i can only say that i managed to boot with uboot from it. and the om2007 kernel works with it. Jun 11 21:25:12 toxx_: there wasn't enough experimental data and i consider the values i used to be too conservative so i hadn't sent them to the ML yet. Jun 11 21:25:14 funny. Jun 11 21:25:33 neat would be some kind of automatic speed finding :-) Jun 11 21:26:29 toxx_: feel free to ping me when you have the output (or probably you'll see the problem yourself). Jun 11 21:27:09 PaulFertser: I'll do that, thanks! Jun 11 21:27:46 so... good night! Jun 11 21:27:52 toxx_: night Jun 11 22:36:34 openmoko: 03werner * r5120 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (11 files in 3 dirs): Jun 11 22:36:34 openmoko: Reviewed "coax" and "dfbm-cs320". Some changes to dfbm-cs320: Jun 11 22:36:34 openmoko: - changes pin names to those used in the data sheet Jun 11 22:36:34 openmoko: - corrected pin type of SPI and XTAL Jun 11 22:36:34 openmoko: Checked in some more addition to expanded view. Forgot that Jun 11 22:36:35 openmoko: before, oops. Jun 11 22:41:56 <|if3_> question, should I flash my GSM chip? Jun 11 22:42:10 <|if3_> it's moko8, but Im using the 2008 free runner Jun 11 22:42:13 |if3_: if you want to receive calls yes Jun 11 22:42:23 <|if3_> :| Jun 11 22:42:25 <|if3_> lol Jun 11 22:42:32 <|if3_> I assume it has to be done via hardware? Jun 11 22:42:56 <|if3_> i could recieve calls on it fine, but I assume that it's very insensitive? lol Jun 11 22:42:58 |if3_: you should flash your GSM chip Jun 11 22:43:04 |if3_: hardware? Jun 11 22:43:17 * |if3_ reads wiki Jun 11 22:43:21 <|if3_> it'll answer everything here Jun 11 22:44:00 <|if3_> lol i love DD Jun 11 22:45:27 <|if3_> erm Jun 11 22:45:30 <|if3_> uSD? Jun 11 22:46:33 i3n: micro SD Jun 11 22:46:56 <|if3_> OH Jun 11 22:47:03 <|if3_> they didn't use the actual symbol for it Jun 11 22:47:06 <|if3_> i feel like an idiot. loilk Jun 11 22:47:09 <|if3_> lol* Jun 11 22:52:37 * |if3_ flashes gsm Jun 11 22:52:47 <|if3_> I hate xorg Jun 11 22:52:52 <|if3_> ima kill it and brb Jun 11 22:53:19 why? Jun 11 22:53:46 <|if3_> it crashes on me about once a week, no idea why Jun 11 22:53:51 <|if3_> and nor does the Xorg team Jun 11 22:53:56 <|if3_> buddy has the same problem as well Jun 11 22:54:20 <|if3_> I figured it was because of debian once apon a time, but it happens with this install too. and my buddy has a new box from like 07. lol Jun 11 23:03:11 <|if3_> when flashing the image, I assume to the device, not to a partition? Jun 11 23:03:15 hmm. i just rebooted my dual display Xorg desktop after being up for 4 months Jun 11 23:03:20 <|if3_> device being the sdhc card Jun 11 23:03:29 <|if3_> Blu3, lukc you lol Jun 11 23:03:33 <|if3_> lucky* Jun 11 23:03:34 i updated the kernel and kde Jun 11 23:03:52 <|if3_> I might be the first one to work on his OM freerunner while under the influence of medical opiates hah Jun 11 23:03:53 not really, my workstation at the office was up for 9 months Jun 11 23:03:59 heh Jun 11 23:04:19 <|if3_> got my wisdoms taken out today Jun 11 23:04:26 flashing gsm? yes, it'll be the hardware Jun 11 23:05:02 <|if3_> Blu3, erm, no, like, from my computer to the sdhc Jun 11 23:05:14 <|if3_> do I flash /dev/sdb or sdb1? Jun 11 23:05:28 <|if3_> I assume just the ____ point, I forgot it's name Jun 11 23:07:07 actually when you are using the sd card, it's use is that of a disk so you would use the same terminology as writing to a disk Jun 11 23:32:37 Anybody else having data corruption issues with mini-sd card? Jun 11 23:32:46 <|if3> not me Jun 11 23:32:59 <|if3> troy__, do you have an up-to-date sdhc card reader/writer? Jun 11 23:33:53 <|if3> I know with my sisters shitbox laptop, it used to do weird shit like that Jun 11 23:34:08 <|if3> it got straight fucked over in the long run though Jun 11 23:34:10 <|if3> lolol Jun 11 23:34:36 sdhc? Jun 11 23:41:02 <|if3> SD-HIGH-CAPACITY Jun 11 23:41:07 <|if3> most cards are sdhc now Jun 11 23:41:14 <|if3> and all are that are over 4 gigs I believe Jun 11 23:47:51 <|if3> fucking sexy Jun 11 23:47:55 <|if3> i love this hardware hackery business Jun 11 23:47:59 <|if3> should have gotten into it ages ago Jun 11 23:50:00 hehe Jun 11 23:50:10 * Weiss particularly enjoys the kind of programming which requires a screwdriver Jun 11 23:54:06 troy, yes Jun 11 23:54:33 the glamo and my 2G card don't get along well Jun 11 23:54:52 my 4G cards don't work period, constant corruption Jun 12 00:10:58 blu3: why would the video chipset care what kind of SD card you use? Jun 12 00:12:16 ndnihil: the glamo is also the sd controller Jun 12 00:12:23 ah Jun 12 00:58:17 so.. commenting out OccupyResource(CPU), would that stop the phone from waking up when there is an incoming call? Jun 12 01:05:23 this is so strange, something just obviously broke severely Jun 12 01:05:32 trying to delete a message now just hangs Jun 12 01:07:10 and Messages isn't showing any Jun 12 01:07:21 it's clearly having trouble getting at the sim card now for some reason Jun 12 01:11:50 time to reboot it Jun 12 01:15:23 hi all... Jun 12 01:15:35 I'm currently running 2008.10, IIRC... I haven't upgraded in forever Jun 12 01:15:39 I'm thinking of re-flashing Jun 12 01:15:51 is OM2009 the image of choice for that, or should I stick to 2008.12? Jun 12 01:15:55 I use it as my daily phone Jun 12 01:16:20 the thing that's currently pissing me off is it stops receiving SMS after a while... anything that fixes that issue will make me happy, really Jun 12 01:18:21 you really should update :) Jun 12 01:18:37 a lot of new bugs^H^H^Hfeatures have been added and old bugs fixed Jun 12 01:19:15 I'm sure :) Jun 12 01:19:27 is flashing the preferred way of making such a jump or would opkg be able to upgrade me? Jun 12 01:19:44 also, if I back up my contacts, will they still work in the new version? Jun 12 01:19:48 retyping them all would be a PITA Jun 12 01:20:09 your contacts and messages are still stored on the sim card Jun 12 01:20:18 so reflashing wouldn't wipe them Jun 12 01:20:58 Blu3: that was immediately after a fresh reboot Jun 12 01:20:59 opkg is really only for those of stout temperament ;) i recommend flashing 2009 Jun 12 01:21:26 john, gotta let it settle and get gsm all up and running Jun 12 01:21:48 Blu3: I've been using the phone successfully for 2+ months Jun 12 01:21:54 the FR & frameworkd aren't all that super fast at doing that Jun 12 01:21:58 I understand how it's supposed to work, but something has gone suddenly wrong Jun 12 01:22:18 I don't mean immediately after it booted, I just mean I didn't do anything else between the time of reboot and that Jun 12 01:22:19 Blu3: no, some of my contacts are on the SIM, but most are in the phone's memorry Jun 12 01:22:32 after booting, wait until after your carrier and signal strength show up before trying to load messages Jun 12 01:22:38 Blu3: so you recommend 2009? it's stable enough? Jun 12 01:22:40 Blu3: yes I did that Jun 12 01:22:45 hmm Jun 12 01:22:51 heh... that bug hasn't been fixed yet? Jun 12 01:22:59 i'm on -unstable as of this morning, it's working for me Jun 12 01:23:11 Blu3: I'm on testing, and have made no changes, which is why I'm baffled here Jun 12 01:23:18 I'm trying a different sim Jun 12 01:23:24 * Yanroy wonders if he can remember how to flash it Jun 12 01:23:33 yanroy, i'm not aware of how they would be stored in fone memory. it could be but it's not something i know of Jun 12 01:23:43 testing < unstable Jun 12 01:24:05 testing has been fine for me for months Jun 12 01:24:11 Blu3: it's stored in vcard format in a hidden file or folder (can't remember) in the home directory Jun 12 01:24:17 yanroy it works well enough for me, i use it daily both as fone and for texting Jun 12 01:24:24 k Jun 12 01:24:28 save your home directory then Jun 12 01:24:36 I've been toughing it out with the old release, so presumably the new one will only be better :) Jun 12 01:24:46 Blu3: what you've said makes me worried the new release won't be able to read the old file Jun 12 01:25:06 i can't offer any pro or con in that regard Jun 12 01:25:19 other than vcard is simple flat text Jun 12 01:25:34 yeah Jun 12 01:31:21 should I install a new uboot? Jun 12 01:32:38 y'know, i haven't given that a thought. my current u-boot works good Jun 12 01:33:36 hmm **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jun 12 02:59:56 2009