**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 12 02:59:56 2009 Jun 12 03:56:21 hi guys... Jun 12 03:56:32 I'm trying to flash my GSM firmware Jun 12 03:56:39 I imaged the SD card and booted from it Jun 12 03:56:55 something briefly scrolled by and all I caught was "loading legacy kernel" Jun 12 03:56:58 then it went blank... Jun 12 03:57:06 it's been blank (but backlight on) for about half an hour Jun 12 03:57:16 the wiki says it should only take 6 mins... did something go wrong? Jun 12 03:57:23 I'm kinda afraid to interrupt it Jun 12 04:29:15 openmoko: 03werner * r5121 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/kicad-wishlist: Removed text alignment. Jean-Pierre beat us to it :-) Jun 12 04:48:23 openmoko: 03rehar * r5122 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/STATUS: Review of 74x1g125, 74x2g126, exc24cb102u, emh4 and varistor Jun 12 04:55:16 hi all... have any of you used this paroli thing? Jun 12 04:55:19 I can't make it work Jun 12 04:55:41 looking at the faq, I've been able to get the settings window to come up and that seems to work, but the main app itself doesn't do anything Jun 12 04:56:54 ok, I take that back... after it suspended and came back, it works now Jun 12 05:05:15 erm... this paroli thing does not seem to be an improvement Jun 12 05:05:23 in fact, I'd characterize this upgrade as a disaster Jun 12 05:05:27 where's all the stuff that was in 2008.10? Jun 12 05:06:23 heehee Jun 12 05:07:03 ? Jun 12 05:07:27 Yanroy: do you mean all the apps? or just the phone related stuff? Jun 12 05:07:46 I'm not sure what I mean Jun 12 05:07:55 I just want a functional phone Jun 12 05:08:02 I had that before, except that it crashed about once a week Jun 12 05:08:07 now I have nothing Jun 12 05:08:22 Yanroy: well, paroli and fso are getting close but they're not a final release yet Jun 12 05:08:45 but it should be able to do things like send a text, right? Jun 12 05:08:59 yeah, that should work Jun 12 05:09:13 well, I can't figure out how... Jun 12 05:09:28 if I click SMS, I get a blank screen except for a plus button... plus button wants me to enter numbers Jun 12 05:09:34 if I go to people, there's no way to text them Jun 12 05:09:48 under people, swipe a contact to the right Jun 12 05:10:08 the names are slideable to the right which gives you an option to text them Jun 12 05:10:51 well shit... how was I supposed to figure that out? Jun 12 05:10:57 I've been searching for a users guide for 15 minutes... Jun 12 05:11:17 that does seem to work though :P Jun 12 05:11:22 yeah, it took me a while too Jun 12 05:11:37 what's the trick to the keyboard? Jun 12 05:11:42 it's pretty hand once you know it's there.. makes things quick Jun 12 05:11:52 it seems to not like me trying to scroll left and right to pick the match to what I typed... Jun 12 05:12:01 also it chooses the matches pretty wrong :P Jun 12 05:12:25 does it not suspend when on AC power? Jun 12 05:12:43 sorry, i don't know about the scrolling issue. i've found that the keyboard learns as you use it Jun 12 05:12:52 it shouldn't suspend but bugs are still being worked out Jun 12 05:13:15 I'm not complaining that it isn't suspending, I'm just curious Jun 12 05:13:20 cuz I haven't let it off the charger yet Jun 12 05:13:29 I like the power button lighting up... Jun 12 05:13:34 any idea what the colors mean? Jun 12 05:13:34 no harm in asking :) Jun 12 05:13:57 on the power button leds? Jun 12 05:14:04 yes Jun 12 05:14:21 if i remember correctly, orange means charging, blue means fully charged Jun 12 05:14:27 the on-screen battery icon doesn't seem to indicate charging, so I'm guessing the LEDs are the only way to tell Jun 12 05:14:34 ok Jun 12 05:19:14 hmm... the FR seems to have decided it is now eth1 instead of usb0 Jun 12 05:19:15 wtf Jun 12 05:19:55 ljp: Hey, Lorn. Do you know that Nokia provides drivers for a cable that has nothing except wires inside? Jun 12 05:22:24 jmcnaught: any idea if it's possible for me to salvage the contacts I backed up from 2008.10? Jun 12 05:22:48 Yanroy: eth1 is correct Jun 12 05:22:57 Yanroy: it is now using persistent MAC address. Jun 12 05:24:11 does opkg still work like it used ot? Jun 12 05:24:22 it says failed to download repository packages... Jun 12 05:24:40 PaulFertser: ya, well.. thatts windows for ya Jun 12 05:25:58 Yanroy: sorry, that's something i haven't tried. i don't have a lot of contacts and i just keep them on the sim Jun 12 05:26:21 does this paroli thing give you the option of keeping them on the SIM? Jun 12 05:26:24 Yanroy: opkg should work.. can you ping? Jun 12 05:26:26 or perhaps they're always on the sim? Jun 12 05:26:35 yes, I can ping, and magically (to me) DNS resolution even works Jun 12 05:26:38 ljp: and they don't provide a way to download older version and the newest version doesn't work with win2000 or winxp (without sp2). Nuts Jun 12 05:26:42 no need to set up resolv.conf Jun 12 05:27:21 Yanroy: see, at least some stuff is improving, eh? i'm not sure what your opkg problem would be Jun 12 05:27:28 hmm Jun 12 05:27:33 it's giving me 404s Jun 12 05:27:38 so I'm guessing the URL is wrong, or the repo is down Jun 12 05:27:59 i'd try it myself, but my phone is away getting buzz-fixed Jun 12 05:28:14 ljp: the fact is that the driver is actually needed because despite it's presented as a cable driver on site and in folder name it's "; Nokia USB Host Driver" inside the inf. Jun 12 05:28:14 huh? Jun 12 05:28:18 buzz fixed? Jun 12 05:29:00 Yanroy: there's a program to fix your phone if you've (or the people you're calling) hear an annoying buzz Jun 12 05:29:13 ah... Jun 12 05:29:18 perhaps I should investigate this... Jun 12 05:29:23 you have to send it away? Jun 12 05:29:41 ljp: and that is not windows fault. Windows fault is that they don't work oob with standard CDC ACM devices (which nokia phones are). Nokia fault is mis-representing the driver and inability to download an older version. Jun 12 05:30:00 Yanroy: you can do it yourself Jun 12 05:30:12 Yanroy: or find a fellow SMD soldering guy. Jun 12 05:30:30 PaulFertser: eh, I'm an ECE... I've done my fair share of SMD work. is there info on the fix on the wiki somewhere? Jun 12 05:30:34 Yanroy: all phones have buzz, but it depends on conditions (cell network, signal quality etc.) Jun 12 05:30:41 Yanroy: sure Jun 12 05:30:52 Yanroy: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Buzz_Fix Jun 12 05:31:09 thx Jun 12 05:31:18 Yanroy: change one easily accessible 0402 R and solder a big tantalum cap nearby, that's all. Jun 12 05:31:32 Easy :) Jun 12 05:31:35 heh... I've probably got the parts on my desk Jun 12 05:31:41 heh Jun 12 05:31:58 seems like a good excuse to buy the hot air reflow station I've had my eye on Jun 12 05:32:10 :))) Jun 12 05:32:27 Do you need a hot air reflow to dismount one 0402 R? Jun 12 05:32:31 no Jun 12 05:32:37 I mean... yes? ;) Jun 12 05:32:39 you can make a suitable hot air gun for $20'ish Jun 12 05:33:21 right... but we can just neglect to tell my gf that I can do this work without a hot air reflow station Jun 12 05:33:33 :) Jun 12 05:33:47 Yanroy: while we're at it, you can also fix the famous #1024 bug (random/continious network recamping in certain conditions). That requires full disassembly (easy), dismounting a can (easy), changing one 0805 cap to a 22uF one. Jun 12 05:33:57 that's a hw bug? Jun 12 05:34:00 I thought it was sw Jun 12 05:34:01 Yanroy: yes Jun 12 05:34:04 huh Jun 12 05:34:09 I haven't seen it since I upgraded Jun 12 05:34:14 Cap is conveniently located. Jun 12 05:34:18 I'll gladly fix it though Jun 12 05:34:20 got a link? Jun 12 05:34:26 or the search terms? Jun 12 05:34:40 Yanroy: there's a software workaround to disable deep sleep mode, it adds about 8mA to your standby current. Jun 12 05:35:03 battery already goes dry in about 20 hours... I want all the power savings I can ge Jun 12 05:35:05 *get Jun 12 05:35:06 Yanroy: look for the recent messages on hardware ML archive. Or wait, i'll provide you a link. Jun 12 05:35:23 awesome, thx Jun 12 05:35:30 I've been way out of the loop on OM development lately Jun 12 05:35:37 I've got probably 5000 unread ML messages Jun 12 05:36:13 so how does this infamous in-call volume control work? and should I really install that sound scenario file thing as mentioned in the OM2009 wiki page? Jun 12 05:36:14 Yanroy: "Bug #1024 (oscillating re-camping), a possible solution" Jun 12 05:36:35 k Jun 12 05:36:56 Yanroy: paroli uses a dirty trick and controls volume with calypso at command (indirectly, via FSO of course). Jun 12 05:37:15 Yanroy: probably you'd like to do a bass fix too, no? Jun 12 05:37:28 hey, if it's fixable, I'll do it Jun 12 05:37:39 maybe I'll end up with a phone that doesn't get me laughed at Jun 12 05:37:41 Yanroy: wiki/GTA02_bass_fix Jun 12 05:37:47 on those rare occasions I can hear them laughing :P Jun 12 05:38:11 Yanroy: if you've been out of the loop for a while, you may also need to upgrade the GSM firmware. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing Jun 12 05:38:22 speaking of working phones, anyone got a working shr gta01 build? Jun 12 05:38:25 Yep, right. Jun 12 05:38:34 Psi_: just yesterday it was built. Jun 12 05:38:43 Psi_: with the newest kernel btw. Jun 12 05:39:06 Psi_: enjoy unstable (though no regressions found yet). Jun 12 05:39:17 is there a magical UI to the volume control? I can't figure out how to change it. there's a little "100" in the corner that I"m guessing is related... Jun 12 05:40:28 ah, new build on the 11th Jun 12 05:40:49 * Yanroy notes that the clock just changed... does it finally update off the cell network? Jun 12 05:40:57 Yanroy: if you're goind to do a bass fix in a way similar to what i did i suggest placing the caps a bit farther from BT antenna. And additional shielding is mandatory (i used candy paper for that). Jun 12 05:41:07 lol Jun 12 05:41:09 k Jun 12 05:41:11 i tried the one on the 3rd and it didnt even get to X Jun 12 05:41:14 does BT work? Jun 12 05:41:23 * Psi_ downloads new one Jun 12 05:41:25 I've never had a phone with BT before... it'd be nice to be able to get a headset Jun 12 05:42:18 Yanroy: can you provide any information on updating from the cell network? We don't know how to do that. Only useless info about timezone (it's not full, only distance to GMT iirc). Jun 12 05:43:26 Yanroy: with some headsets. FSO supports BT, there's information on the wiki about it. Not very polished but it works given you have a compatible headset. And the headset that works perfectly with my laptop doesn't output any sound with my FR, so you need to check with FR itself. Jun 12 05:43:38 Yanroy: better to borrow a bt headset from someone for testing. Jun 12 05:44:10 openmoko: 03werner * r5123 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (gta02-core-expanded.lib gta02-core.lib sc32442.lib): Jun 12 05:44:10 openmoko: Updated sc32442.lib to use right-adjusted text for pseudo pins. Jun 12 05:44:10 openmoko: Requires KiCad revision 1812 or later ! Jun 12 05:45:16 k Jun 12 05:45:26 Yanroy: so for now time updates from GPS or NTP. Jun 12 05:45:34 ah, I see Jun 12 05:45:44 that must be it then... it updated shortly after I plugged it into my computer Jun 12 05:46:02 I'm not sure what kind of info you're looking for re: updating from cell network. that's not my area of expertise Jun 12 05:46:18 in fact, pretty much everything I know about GSM and the like I've learned via openmoko Jun 12 05:46:34 I'm sure I don't have any knowledge you don't Jun 12 05:46:53 :))) it was meant as a way to say that neither me nor FSO developers know how to do it. Jun 12 05:47:03 hmm.. Jun 12 05:47:42 I always assumed it was part of the GSM protcol and accessible with an AT command, but I have no evidence to back that up... it's just how I would do it if I were creating GSM Jun 12 05:48:33 is there a browser and a terminal? Jun 12 05:48:46 openmoko: 03werner * r5124 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/sc32442.lib: Revert previous commit. Right adjustment confuses plotting. Jun 12 05:48:48 To me it looks that some networks sometimes send an informational message (probably sms) with current time information. Jun 12 05:49:21 Yanroy: have you already switched off paroli "full-screen" mode? Jun 12 05:50:17 umm... no? Jun 12 05:50:41 it looks like all SMS include the time sent in them Jun 12 05:50:57 at least, even when the clock on my 2008.10 was all screwed up, the receive times on the messages was correct... Jun 12 05:51:10 except for that one day when I received a bunch of garbage characters dated tomorrow Jun 12 05:51:18 it was probably trying to warn me of my death or something Jun 12 05:52:32 Yanroy: you need to switch off "full-screen" to be able to switch windows, see illume homescreen etc. Jun 12 05:54:51 I switched the profile to paroli-illume... nothing seems to have happened Jun 12 05:55:02 Restart paroli Jun 12 05:55:02 I recall reading it takes a bit, but it's been like 2 mins at least Jun 12 05:55:10 one does that how? Jun 12 05:55:21 You ask me as if i ever used paroli :I Jun 12 05:55:24 :D Jun 12 05:55:32 lol Jun 12 05:55:33 I'd just kill it via ssh Jun 12 05:55:36 you know a lot about the hardware Jun 12 05:55:47 does it just restart itself automatically? Jun 12 05:56:06 No idea, depends on .xsession script obviously. Jun 12 05:57:14 Yanroy: i guess you know much more about hardware in general but yes, i know about some particular FR quirks. :) Jun 12 06:00:08 what gave you the idea I know more about hardware in general? Jun 12 06:01:47 PaulFertser: we just got a crazy idea yesterday. we can buy a huawei usb 3g stick, atmel AVR USB-capable microcontroller, keypad, one-line LCD and some 17670 li-ion batteries to make a really simple phone :-) Jun 12 06:02:09 Yanroy: you're an ECE, according to what you just told me :) And i'm not. I think i'm not a professional in any area. I know some ad-hoc programming, some ad-hoc electronics. Our university is not that good unfortunately :-/ Jun 12 06:02:24 PaulFertser: ah... I had assumed you were also an ECE Jun 12 06:03:11 Yanroy: that said i can mostly read schematics of digital-ICs based devices and datasheets for that ICs :) Jun 12 06:03:15 lindi-: wow :) Jun 12 06:03:30 there's a secret they don't want you to know though... if you're good at something, having a degree doesn't matter at all Jun 12 06:03:32 lindi-: AVR usb host? Jun 12 06:03:46 PaulFertser: yep Jun 12 06:03:53 Yanroy: i have a "magister' degree. Jun 12 06:04:01 I kinda wish I hadn't bothered to go to college... I'm working a software engineer now, making the same as my friend who dropped out Jun 12 06:04:18 I didn't major in CS because I already knew it going into college... I chose ECE instead cuz it was new Jun 12 06:04:40 lindi-: is any AVR capable of it? I haven't read anything like that yet. Jun 12 06:04:51 PaulFertser: my at90usbkey is, and it cost only 27 EUR Jun 12 06:05:10 im guessing this huawei usb stick has all the datasheets available? Jun 12 06:05:10 PaulFertser: (it's a complete demo board with two flash chips, leds, buttons...) Jun 12 06:05:17 Yanroy: i enjoyed being in university because i meet my friends there. Jun 12 06:05:32 Psi_: not all but enough to make it call :) Jun 12 06:05:37 ah Jun 12 06:05:46 PaulFertser: http://www.fourwalledcubicle.com/LUFA.php is the usb library, it has lots of examples Jun 12 06:05:51 how big is the thing? Jun 12 06:06:18 Psi_: it'll fit inside a nokia 3210 case :) Jun 12 06:06:40 :) Jun 12 06:06:48 ah, got illume working now... Jun 12 06:06:51 and it has a terminal Jun 12 06:06:53 that's enough for tonight... Jun 12 06:06:57 lindi-: or cool, didn't know it supports host. Probably "CDC Host" is enough to get it going. Jun 12 06:07:09 PaulFertser: thank you very much for your help. I'd have been completely stuck without you Jun 12 06:07:20 jmcnaught: thank you too Jun 12 06:07:29 Yanroy: you're welcome, feel free to ping me on low-level issues. Jun 12 06:07:34 PaulFertser: yep Jun 12 06:07:38 Yanroy: (like bootloader kernel hardware etc) Jun 12 06:07:42 ok Jun 12 06:07:48 I'm sure I'll be back here before too long :) Jun 12 06:07:59 good night all Jun 12 06:08:00 PaulFertser: the LUFA author is currently writing support for using usb bluetooth dongles with AVR Jun 12 06:08:03 Yanroy: night. Jun 12 06:08:11 Psi_: we're waiting for your status report btw. Jun 12 06:08:19 PaulFertser: so the dream is to have bluetooth headset support :-) Jun 12 06:08:29 on yesterdays shr build? Jun 12 06:08:38 lindi-: mad project :))) Jun 12 06:08:41 Psi_: yes Jun 12 06:08:49 * Psi_ checks download Jun 12 06:08:50 (probably very distant dream indeed) Jun 12 06:10:12 lindi-: and even without BT writing a dumb cellphone UI will require lots of efforts. Jun 12 06:11:12 i do like the AVR's the datasheets actually make sense :) Jun 12 06:11:23 PaulFertser: if i'm mad enough i'll write it in spark ada Jun 12 06:11:40 (spark was liberated very recently) Jun 12 06:12:43 carpc uses few AVR's for pc->car interface Jun 12 06:13:28 Psi_: it talks to some CAN bus? Jun 12 06:14:40 na, i was too lazy to do CAN Jun 12 06:15:00 psi: you make your own? Jun 12 06:15:05 just 5v usart between the micros Jun 12 06:15:06 <-- also an AVR fan Jun 12 06:15:14 yeah, made it myself Jun 12 06:15:18 nice Jun 12 06:15:23 I ended up buying mine Jun 12 06:15:37 also got a serial + lan link from gararge into house so i can program it from inside Jun 12 06:15:42 it spoofs itself as a cd changer and can be controlled from factory radio though, VAG specific Jun 12 06:16:28 nice Jun 12 06:16:35 Psi_: don't AVR people use SPI between AVRs? Jun 12 06:16:48 going to hook the FR up to it eventually Jun 12 06:17:00 id already written the usart protocol before i found out about how easy SPI was Jun 12 06:17:05 the best part is that I can program the AVR with freerunner Jun 12 06:17:26 you ported avr-gcc to armv4t? Jun 12 06:17:34 if so, where can I download? :) Jun 12 06:17:39 ^ Jun 12 06:17:42 avr-libc, etc... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jun 12 06:20:50 2009 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 12 06:21:13 2009 Jun 12 06:21:26 nice Jun 12 06:21:58 how about s/ported/packaged/ Jun 12 06:22:00 :) Jun 12 06:22:09 i really should try the debian install on my phone Jun 12 06:22:21 it's kinda slow Jun 12 06:22:28 not quite FDOM bad Jun 12 06:22:36 but not quite "this can replace my laptop!" Jun 12 06:23:27 some people say using swap helps Jun 12 06:23:33 but that's going to shred your uSD card Jun 12 06:23:42 if its slow on your gta02 i dont really want to think what its like on gta01 Jun 12 06:23:59 How's debian any slower than other distros? Jun 12 06:24:40 ndnihil: nah, swap on SD is no probl for the card Jun 12 06:25:05 its gunna use up its write cycles tho Jun 12 06:25:22 I killed a regular SD card using it as swap on a ngw100 Jun 12 06:27:47 it behaved ok up until it died though Jun 12 06:28:05 you are the first one who achieved that. German mag c't did emonths *continuous* write-stress tests and didn't find a single failure for SD-cards Jun 12 06:28:10 ndnihil: can you please tell me how to "you can make a suitable hot air gun for $20'ish"? Jun 12 06:28:33 could have been something else that killed it, but as best I can tell it was using it as swap Jun 12 06:28:37 s/emon/3mon/ Jun 12 06:28:37 DocScrutinizer meant: you are the first one who achieved that. German mag c't did 3months *continuous* write-stress tests and didn't find a single failure for SD-cards Jun 12 06:28:54 paul: you get one of those heat up solder suckers from radio shack Jun 12 06:29:07 drill a small hole in the bulb and feed in some tubing Jun 12 06:29:25 stick some steel wool or desoldering wick in the head Jun 12 06:29:34 heat it up and blow in the tube Jun 12 06:29:42 or you can hook it up to an aquarium pump Jun 12 06:29:58 a valve on the aquarium pump helps regulate it Jun 12 06:30:26 naturally the more flow the lower the heat Jun 12 06:30:30 so you have to find a balance Jun 12 06:30:35 hence the valve Jun 12 06:30:51 I got lightheaded after blowing in the tube for a couple hours Jun 12 06:31:45 `They must be very curious-looking creatures.' Jun 12 06:32:05 http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062731 Jun 12 06:32:07 one of those Jun 12 06:32:22 the tip screws off, and you stuff some desoldering wick in there Jun 12 06:32:26 as a heatsink Jun 12 06:32:41 and make the hold at the very back of the bulb Jun 12 06:32:43 less heat there Jun 12 06:32:58 s/hold/hole/ Jun 12 06:33:09 it's not ideal, but it works Jun 12 06:33:20 want to make a new tip for my digitally controlled iron Jun 12 06:33:22 ndnihil: how do you heat it up? Jun 12 06:33:27 you plug it in Jun 12 06:33:33 Ah, Jun 12 06:33:36 ok :) Jun 12 06:33:46 its just a low end soldering iron with a funny head Jun 12 06:35:32 ndnihil: nice know-how :) Jun 12 06:35:37 thanks :) Jun 12 06:36:32 ok, 11th shr booting up now, see how far it gets Jun 12 06:41:19 * PaulFertser rereading Humpty Dumpty chapter http://www.sabian.org/Alice/lgchap06.htm Jun 12 06:43:53 http://www.3sellercentral.co.uk/download/IT%20Downloads/USB%20Modems/HUAWEI%20E169%20HSDPA%20USB%20Stick%20Product%20Description.pdf claims that even my huawei E169 already support voice Jun 12 06:44:17 they cite a really large number of GSM specs, i'm not quite sure which one describes how the audio stuff works Jun 12 06:50:02 ok, the 11th shr boots, which is an improvment :) but messages still crashes Jun 12 06:52:13 interesting, messages is working now Jun 12 06:52:25 Psi_: probably sim wasn't ready or smth Jun 12 06:52:27 maybe it crashes if you click it before its finished reading the sim Jun 12 06:52:31 heh yeah Jun 12 06:59:32 Psi_: does gta01 have a recamping problem? Jun 12 07:00:48 what is recamping? Jun 12 07:00:53 ive heard it on here a few times Jun 12 07:01:04 never knew what it was Jun 12 07:02:20 Psi_: famous #1024 Jun 12 07:02:35 Psi_: when the cell drops out of network for no reason. Jun 12 07:02:46 ah, cant say ive ever noticed that Jun 12 07:03:13 just called the phone, voice seems to be all working Jun 12 07:03:26 speakerphone still has no mic tho Jun 12 07:03:33 not that i ever use it Jun 12 07:03:52 there's a speakerphone option now? Jun 12 07:04:02 Psi_: statefiles are the same, i guess. So something must be wrong with it. Jun 12 07:04:19 Psi_: probably it's done on purpose to avoid feedback and echo. Jun 12 07:04:31 yeah Jun 12 07:04:45 i only use it when talking to automated systems, so i can see the buttons Jun 12 07:04:53 and in that situation you dont need the mic anyway Jun 12 07:05:00 Exactly Jun 12 07:06:14 ndnihil: ya, button at the bottom called "speaker" when your on a call Jun 12 07:06:52 handy Jun 12 07:06:57 i guess with the name "speaker" and not "speakerphone" one could say the mic isnt supposed to work Jun 12 07:10:23 ok, voice call in both directions and sms message tested Jun 12 07:10:34 11th gta01 shr build seems good Jun 12 07:11:15 mm.. do love the speakers on gta01 Jun 12 07:11:43 stereo sounds good :) Jun 12 07:26:00 morning Jun 12 07:40:35 Psi_: suspend/resume works ok? Jun 12 07:40:48 Psi_: so, do you consider this latest kernel can be recommended to all gta01 users? Jun 12 07:50:26 i suspended and resumed it a few times and it worked Jun 12 07:50:33 also called it while suspended and it woke up Jun 12 07:50:41 so all is good so far Jun 12 07:57:37 Psi_: kewl Jun 12 07:59:15 keeps warning about low batt tho Jun 12 07:59:20 even though its full Jun 12 07:59:46 guessing thats because gta01 has no monitor IC in the battery like gta02 Jun 12 08:04:25 Psi_: doesn't it have a way to at least ADC battery voltage? Jun 12 08:06:00 Psi_: because if it does and it doesn't work, it's a regression. Jun 12 08:10:18 the battery voltage display is missing Jun 12 08:10:33 it was in the power options on older shr builds Jun 12 08:12:23 Psi_: can you investigate it? Jun 12 08:12:51 i wouldn't know where to start Jun 12 08:13:06 Psi_: <-- "Start with pressing this button" Jun 12 08:13:45 Psi_: ls -la /sys/class/power_supply Jun 12 08:16:16 two entries battery and charger Jun 12 08:18:13 both 755 and root:root Jun 12 08:18:23 Psi_: ls -l /sys/class/power_supply/battery obviously Jun 12 08:19:14 cat /sys/class/power_supply/battery/voltage_now gives 4195 Jun 12 08:19:24 which im guessing is 4.195v Jun 12 08:19:44 Psi_: what else is there? Jun 12 08:20:03 current_now device power present status subsystem type uevent voltage_now Jun 12 08:20:06 woot, in that case I'm pushing 4,170V! Jun 12 08:20:12 4170000 Jun 12 08:20:13 :) Jun 12 08:20:38 ndnihil: is it the same sysfs node on your gta01 with older kernel? Jun 12 08:20:49 errr, yeah it's that one Jun 12 08:20:54 I swear Jun 12 08:21:05 same node, gta02 Jun 12 08:21:13 at any rate Jun 12 08:21:37 ndnihil: anyway it means gta01 driver is broken (wrong units used). I'll send a patch soon. Jun 12 08:22:05 cat current_now gives -21 Jun 12 08:22:17 21mA charging im guessing Jun 12 08:22:40 my current_now is 15000 Jun 12 08:23:08 it's a fairly recent SHR unstable on gta02 Jun 12 08:23:09 if that helps Jun 12 08:23:27 All voltages, currents, charges, energies, time and temperatures in uV Jun 12 08:23:28 'cat uevent' gives some good info Jun 12 08:23:38 ndnihil: nope, i have gta02 here with the latest kernel obviously. Jun 12 08:24:16 Psi_: i'd say discharging. Jun 12 08:24:22 Psi_: goes to gsm modem i guess. Jun 12 08:24:32 its pluged into the pc atm Jun 12 08:25:00 Psi_: doesn't matter. The charging is over and GSM slowly sucks power directly from battery. Jun 12 08:25:37 if its microvolts then there is a bug, as voltage_now is 4177 which if uV would be 4mV Jun 12 08:25:44 Psi_: exactly Jun 12 08:30:18 http://pastebin.com/m27526853 Jun 12 08:31:37 hi Jun 12 08:31:49 Psi_: thanks a lot for feedback! Jun 12 08:31:54 i am looking for the address for feeds for shr-testing Jun 12 08:32:05 do you guys happen to know where they are ? Jun 12 08:32:08 Psi_: do you think SHR uses the write nodes to read voltage and current but it's just wrong units? Jun 12 08:32:33 takeiteasy: yes Jun 12 08:33:19 takeiteasy: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/ipk/ Jun 12 08:33:48 ok thx Jun 12 08:34:17 Quick question, is the current shipping model still limited to 1 day battery life ? Jun 12 08:35:36 leila: no Jun 12 08:35:54 leila: all gta02 MP models can survive more than 100 hours in suspend. Jun 12 08:36:22 Got any links with that ? Jun 12 08:37:43 leila: not yet, i need to find that. Search for recent mails from Daniel about testing his #1024-fixed device. He got 130-140 hrs. Jun 12 08:37:52 PaulFertser: it does seem to make sence, ie, i got 4170 volts on charge and -30 current when pluged in over usb. Then when unplugged 4120 volts and 290 current Jun 12 08:38:17 err, sorry theres an error in that Jun 12 08:38:43 i got -180 current when unplugged Jun 12 08:38:56 then when i plugged it back in i got positive 290 Jun 12 08:39:00 PaulFertser, if I understand correctly this Daniel worked his magic and updated some software to get 130-140 hours ? Jun 12 08:39:07 Psi_: inverted sign? Jun 12 08:39:57 leila: no, Daniel replaced a capacitor to fix the infamous #1024 recamping bug. But not everybody experiences recamping anyway. Other than that, he has no magic hardware or software mods. Jun 12 08:40:13 it was -30 to start with, (pluged into usb). then went -275 negative when i unpluged it, and then +180 when i plugged it back in Jun 12 08:41:11 PaulFertser, Soldering on your own phone, sounds interesting and risky Jun 12 08:41:28 Psi_: i can assure you that it doesn't charge all the time even when plugged in usb. Jun 12 08:41:45 yeah, it does seem to jump around quite a bit Jun 12 08:41:49 leila: i've recently proved that some sort of that work can be done even with unsuitable tools. Jun 12 08:42:08 leila: https://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org/files/useless_buzzfix/ . Jun 12 08:42:51