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Jun 16 07:09:16 <Hopscotch> good morning
Jun 16 07:13:58 <amarsh04> hi Hoposcotch
Jun 16 07:14:08 <amarsh04> hi Hopscotch even
Jun 16 07:33:45 <methril|work> morning
Jun 16 07:37:31 <ecraven> hello ;) could anyone point me to a working uboot_env file? i seem to have broken mine beyond repair
Jun 16 07:37:46 <lindi-> ecraven: use the one from NOR
Jun 16 07:37:55 <ecraven> how do i get that off the device?
Jun 16 07:39:37 <lindi-> ecraven: just cat it
Jun 16 07:39:51 <ecraven> don't i need to escape $ and ; and stuff?
Jun 16 07:40:11 <lindi-> ecraven: hmm, why?
Jun 16 07:40:17 <ecraven> for u-boot/neocon?
Jun 16 07:40:45 <lindi-> never heard of neocon
Jun 16 07:40:56 <ecraven> what i use to connect to the u-boot shell
Jun 16 07:43:22 <lindi-> ecraven: ah, I use picocom
Jun 16 07:43:46 <ecraven> hm.. the uboot-envedit from fso-utils seems to create a working uboot-env ;)
Jun 16 07:51:28 <ecraven> what parameter does ext2load mmc take? i've seen 0, 1 and 1:1
Jun 16 07:51:39 <ecraven> i want the first (and only) partition on my sd card
Jun 16 07:51:47 <ecraven> i tried all three, and none works :(
Jun 16 08:15:52 <ecraven> hm.. somehow my sdcard isn't recognized any longer, now it shows up as 3MiB (but it is 4gb)
Jun 16 08:22:45 <geaaru> hi, i upgrade gta01 with shr-unstable tree but now gsm doesn't work... from frameworkd.log i have this message:
Jun 16 08:22:59 <geaaru> 2009.06.16 10:22:19.110 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR    could not open channel CALL, retrying in 2 seconds
Jun 16 08:22:59 <geaaru> 2009.06.16 10:22:19.119 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO     Requesting new channel from 'gsm0710muxd'
Jun 16 08:22:59 <geaaru> 2009.06.16 10:22:23.170 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR    could not open channel MISC, retrying in 2 seconds
Jun 16 08:22:59 <geaaru> 2009.06.16 10:22:23.179 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO     Requesting new channel from 'gsm0710muxd'
Jun 16 08:23:07 <geaaru> any suggestions?
Jun 16 08:30:36 <Bogdan> Hello
Jun 16 08:31:00 <Bogdan> I just installed QtExtended and I want to upgrade it to QtExtended Improved
Jun 16 08:31:29 <Bogdan> The problem is that I can't establish USB networking
Jun 16 08:32:20 <Bogdan> With any other distro USB networking works just fine but here it doesn't seem to be working
Jun 16 08:32:32 <Bogdan> Does anyone have some ideeas what I should do?
Jun 16 11:09:20 <ndnihil> odd
Jun 16 11:09:30 <ndnihil> for some reason I can't receive SMS anymore
Jun 16 13:24:59 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03werner * r5131 10/developers/werner/gta02-core/foo/ (9 files): Example for non-numerical pin numbers.
Jun 16 14:42:14 <leila> Hi all. I got the Gta02 today but I seem to fail at finding the online manual. Does anyone know where to find it
Jun 16 14:42:31 <lindi-> leila: which online manual?
Jun 16 14:42:35 <max_posedon> look at green card in box
Jun 16 14:42:35 <jc1> wiki.openmoko.org?
Jun 16 14:42:38 <leila> never mind ~_~ its getting started
Jun 16 14:42:41 <max_posedon> there a link for you)
Jun 16 14:44:12 <jc1> leila: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner
Jun 16 14:55:09 <leila> hmm registering takes a long time
Jun 16 14:56:26 <max_posedon> wiki can be read without registration
Jun 16 14:57:08 <leila> as in registering to the network
Jun 16 14:57:33 <max_posedon> ah this... yep. could be
Jun 16 15:01:59 <leila> Is this something that needs a-lot of patience or should I dig around ?
Jun 16 15:02:36 <max_posedon> depends on what you want from this device
Jun 16 15:03:01 <leila> To make a phonecall atm
Jun 16 15:03:42 <max_posedon> Do you know which disto you have?
Jun 16 15:03:55 <max_posedon> ok, anyway, you can flash latest shr-unstable)
Jun 16 15:04:22 <PaulFertser> leila: have you upgraded your gsm firmware?
Jun 16 15:04:39 <PaulFertser> leila: i'd say it's the first thing any sane person should do with his FR.
Jun 16 15:06:42 <leila> I just discovered that I probably would need to hook up an usb keyboard or ssh since the default keypad with the terminal does not have a / ~_~
Jun 16 15:07:25 <PaulFertser> leila: you don't need that for a SD-image method of updating firmware.
Jun 16 15:07:48 <PaulFertser> leila: and yes, ssh via usb is a good idea, the best way to use one's FR :)
Jun 16 15:07:57 <leila> I want to check the version with cat /etc/version
Jun 16 15:08:15 <PaulFertser> leila: what for?
Jun 16 15:09:30 <leila> max_posedon, wanted to know which distro I had so I thought lets see what the phone can tell me ;)
Jun 16 15:09:57 <PaulFertser> leila: max_posedon was joking. You need to use distro that you choose, not the one that's preinstalled.
Jun 16 15:10:11 <PaulFertser> leila: btw, is your gta02 buzzfixed?
Jun 16 15:11:02 <leila> PaulFertser, I just got it out of the box 10min ago
Jun 16 15:11:06 <PaulFertser> leila: anyway, i'd recommend flashing gsm firmware before testing any distributions. Read wiki GSM/Flashing.
Jun 16 15:11:29 <PaulFertser> leila: exactly why you're supposed to trust me as i'm using it for more than half a year now ;)
Jun 16 15:12:36 * max_posedon use neo 9month as day-phone already)
Jun 16 15:14:56 <leila> PaulFertser, I will. But not now since I have to go somewhere first
Jun 16 15:15:05 <leila> I shall read up on things later this evening
Jun 16 15:15:23 <PaulFertser> leila: ok, good luck :)
Jun 16 15:19:25 <leila> hrmz trying to connect to the phone is not easy either, i did do a passwd to make sure ~_~
Jun 16 15:19:43 <leila> or I mix up the ips
Jun 16 15:20:49 <PaulFertser> leila: it should be easy.
Jun 16 15:21:04 <leila> Yup I am in
Jun 16 15:21:21 <PaulFertser> leila: probably you just need to read the wiki page, then check "ifconfig", "route" and "iptables -L" output on host.
Jun 16 15:22:22 <PaulFertser> leila: the default FR's address is 192.168.0.202, and it expects that the host is 192.168.0.200. If it can conflict with other interfaces on your host you're supposed to use a minimal netmask to isolate FR in its own subnet.
Jun 16 15:22:46 <leila> PaulFertser, I managed to ssh to the phone ;)
Jun 16 15:23:57 <PaulFertser> leila: i told you it's easy ;)
Jun 16 15:26:51 <leila> Yup but not if you mix up 192.168.0.200 and 192.168.0.202 :)
Jun 16 15:26:56 <leila> anyway got to go now
Jun 16 15:27:02 <leila> Have a nice evening all
Jun 16 16:24:54 <badcloud> anyone get an nes emulator to work at decent speed?
Jun 16 17:03:09 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03rehar * r5132 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (gta02-core-expanded.lib gta02-core.lib ms2v-t1s.lib): 
Jun 16 17:03:09 <CIA-53> openmoko: Removed 2. GND pin in the symbol of MS2V-T1S
Jun 16 17:03:09 <CIA-53> openmoko: Reorderd pin numbers crystal (1 and 2), GND (3)
Jun 16 17:58:30 <pandoras_> JEAH! i get my new GTA02
Jun 16 17:58:39 <pandoras_> but i cant find the MicroSD Slot xD
Jun 16 17:59:03 <pandoras_> i found it!
Jun 16 17:59:10 <PaulFertser> pandoras_: flash GSM now! ;)
Jun 16 17:59:20 <pandoras_> behind the SIM Reader
Jun 16 17:59:20 <jc1> pandoras_: somewhere closed to SIM
Jun 16 18:00:52 <mac2k> PaulFertser: gsm is the last thing i flashed on my phone
Jun 16 18:01:48 <PaulFertser> mac2k: so what?
Jun 16 18:02:31 <pandoras_> ARHG! The SD Reader is hard to open -_-
Jun 16 18:17:16 <dos1> pandoras_: hmm... i've never had problems with sd card holder...
Jun 16 18:17:40 <Blu3> the sd card holder?  it just pops up
Jun 16 18:17:41 <dos1> pandoras_: it's a bit harder to open it when it's closed without card, but still not that hard
Jun 16 18:37:32 <pandoras_> ok, the OM have confusing starting options with the AUX combinations. Wiki FTW
Jun 16 18:40:35 <PaulFertser> pandoras_: it's mostly hardware, the AUX button is connected directly to SoC to a special pin that forces to use external NOR.
Jun 16 18:43:32 <pandoras_> wow, gnash works on OM :D
Jun 16 18:44:16 <PaulFertser> pandoras_: why the hell do you want to use fucking flash?
Jun 16 18:46:43 <pandoras_> i dont now, playing games?
Jun 16 18:47:39 <PaulFertser> pandoras_: i think we should boycott flash because it's a closed technology (i know about some specs but they're too late and not enough to make a good implementation).
Jun 16 18:49:11 <pandoras_> ok, youre right, Flash makes always Problems under Linux Systems. It works not good in each Browser
Jun 16 18:49:18 <pandoras_> and opera Fucked this up
Jun 16 18:49:30 <pandoras_> Canvas is a Option to flash
Jun 16 18:50:09 <Defiant> pandoras_: it has become much better with flash 10
Jun 16 18:50:18 <PaulFertser> pandoras_: i think if someone wants a portable app, let it be java. If someone wants an animation, let it be svg.
Jun 16 18:50:44 <max_posedon> "let it be java" <-- very, very, very bad idea
Jun 16 18:50:47 * Defiant thinks freedom also includes to let people what they want :)
Jun 16 18:50:49 <PaulFertser> mac2k: why?
Jun 16 18:50:52 <max_posedon> c++qt better
Jun 16 18:50:58 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: not bytecode
Jun 16 18:51:07 <max_posedon> and haven't all javavm code
Jun 16 18:51:09 <max_posedon> *problems
Jun 16 18:51:10 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: requires compilation for every possibly arch.
Jun 16 18:51:20 <Blu3> java itself is a good language, the VM implementation however leaves a huge amount to be desired
Jun 16 18:51:23 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: moreover Qt was GPL-only until recently.
Jun 16 18:51:25 <max_posedon> it is very small problem
Jun 16 18:51:35 <max_posedon> anyway, now its lgpl
Jun 16 18:54:13 <max_posedon> also java has very bad integration with system
Jun 16 18:54:25 <max_posedon> I never see any java app which can work via ssh -X
Jun 16 18:54:46 <max_posedon> (it works, but windows is always black for me)
Jun 16 18:55:11 <Defiant> which toolkit?
Jun 16 18:55:25 <max_posedon> Defiant, we speak about java
Jun 16 18:55:34 <Defiant> max_posedon: swt? awt? swing?
Jun 16 18:55:53 <max_posedon> oldone (awt?) haven't this issue, I remember installing oracle via ssh -X
Jun 16 18:56:04 <max_posedon> but some newone has, sorry, don't know names
Jun 16 18:56:44 <max_posedon> (and oldone have running separate process per every widget)
Jun 16 18:56:59 <Defiant> every widget?!?
Jun 16 18:57:02 <max_posedon> yes
Jun 16 18:57:23 <max_posedon> try install oracle9, ps -Af | grep java | wc -l
Jun 16 18:57:51 <max_posedon> I saw ~40 java processes
Jun 16 18:58:13 <Defiant> anyway, if it looked bad it was probably awt or swing, if it looks gtk-like (the other bad) it was swt
Jun 16 18:58:44 <max_posedon> I belive only in QtJambi, but it isn't popular
Jun 16 18:59:22 <max_posedon> also, Qt very powerfull, it just have a lot of features
Jun 16 18:59:45 <max_posedon> btw, nokia porting maemo to qt.
Jun 16 18:59:46 <Defiant> wasn't development of QtJambi stopped?
Jun 16 19:00:24 <max_posedon> it was stopped by nokia, may be somebody pick up this project, I don't know
Jun 16 19:00:57 <Defiant> The cooler way is probably to make q Qt binding for SWT anyway
Jun 16 19:01:57 <max_posedon> I still think java is no-go for desktop/mobile software
Jun 16 19:02:18 <max_posedon> it can be used in some blood-enterprise projects, but nothing more
Jun 16 19:02:35 <Defiant> Java processor :)
Jun 16 19:03:27 <max_posedon> PaulFertser, btw, I'm sure you can't name a lot of cross-platform java projects
Jun 16 19:03:37 <Defiant> hehe
Jun 16 19:03:39 <max_posedon> most of them still have `download for linux
Jun 16 19:03:45 <max_posedon> download for windows`
Jun 16 19:05:28 <Defiant> Ever installed maple? It will install a full java runtime to its folder to make sure you have the right java version
Jun 16 19:05:36 <pandoras_> lol the phone asking me the Pin NUMBER and i can only type letters xD
Jun 16 19:06:21 <max_posedon> pandoras_, move finger from up to down
Jun 16 19:07:55 <pandoras_> thx, thath was a confusing riddle xD
Jun 16 19:09:09 <max_posedon> pandoras_, you has green card with link, most of such issues explained there
Jun 16 19:18:41 <lindi-> Defiant: maple is proprietary software :(
Jun 16 19:20:08 <max_posedon> I remember 120Mb project
Jun 16 19:20:15 <max_posedon> which had 110Mb java
Jun 16 19:20:31 <max_posedon> which was used only for displaying readme during install
Jun 16 19:20:33 <Defiant> lindi-: yep
Jun 16 19:20:41 <Defiant> lol
Jun 16 20:00:55 <neoclust2> hi
Jun 16 20:02:47 <neoclust2> how to have the terminal in om2009 with latest testing release ?
Jun 16 20:14:14 <PaulFertser> neoclust: have you switched to illume-profile already?
Jun 16 20:14:38 <neoclust> PaulFertser: i didn't saw that this was that easy now :)
Jun 16 20:33:54 <leila> Hmm this flash the gsm firmware seems complicated
Jun 16 20:34:24 <PaulFertser> leila: it's not
Jun 16 20:34:32 <PaulFertser> leila: especially if you use uSD image
Jun 16 20:36:07 <leila> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing <-- this be the correct guide ?
Jun 16 20:36:18 <PaulFertser> leila: sure
Jun 16 20:37:36 <leila> hmm for starters it seems that the default software does not know the command mdbus
Jun 16 20:39:17 <PaulFertser> leila: yes
Jun 16 20:39:29 <PaulFertser> leila: default software should be reflashed with something you want to use
Jun 16 20:42:31 <leila> before I am flashing the gsm .. ok I shall search on
Jun 16 21:21:44 <leila> here it goes .. flashing gsm sim
Jun 16 21:21:54 <leila> firmware*
Jun 16 21:31:47 <leila> PaulFertser, how does one turn of the phone after flashing the gsm firmware? 
Jun 16 21:34:07 <leila> ssh and halt seems to do the trick
Jun 16 22:00:36 <azaghal> Paroli sure looks interesting.
Jun 16 22:52:52 <neoclust> is  it planned  to fix http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2121 by default instead of dl files manually ?
Jun 16 22:55:35 <DocMobilizer1> thought it is
Jun 16 22:56:06 <DocMobilizer1> at least for SHR
Jun 16 22:56:35 <DocMobilizer1> btw, only one file
Jun 16 23:05:01 <neoclust> DocMobilizer1: i ask because for the moment i can't pass to ssh to my phone :/
Jun 16 23:05:21 <neoclust> From 192.168.0.204 icmp_seq=1 Destination Port Unreachable
Jun 16 23:05:33 <neoclust> and ssh root@192.168.0.202 fail
Jun 16 23:05:43 <neoclust> ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: Connection refused
Jun 16 23:07:44 <neoclust> i can't since my FR is detected as eth1 before it was usb0
Jun 16 23:08:34 <fredrin> add eth1 to /etc/network/interfaces?
Jun 16 23:08:42 <fredrin> maybe delete .ssh/known_hosts
Jun 16 23:09:33 <fredrin> neoclust: ^ 
Jun 16 23:10:55 <neoclust> fredrin: /etc/network/interfaces  on my machine or on the FR ?
Jun 16 23:11:22 <fredrin> your machine
Jun 16 23:11:26 <fredrin> the same with ssh 
Jun 16 23:14:27 <neoclust> fredrin: done for the ssh but i don't have any  /etc/network/interfaces on my machine
Jun 16 23:15:06 <fredrin> it's a file
Jun 16 23:15:19 <fredrin> what distro?
Jun 16 23:15:26 <neoclust> fredrin: i am on mandriva
Jun 16 23:15:39 <fredrin> hmm, no se 
Jun 16 23:16:13 <neoclust> fredrin: btw i useed the mandriva section of http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking       
Jun 16 23:18:08 <fredrin> neoclust: try to edit that file /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-usb0 to ifcfg-eth1 and replace usb0 with eth1
Jun 16 23:18:09 <fredrin> get it?
Jun 16 23:18:18 <fredrin> make a new file 
Jun 16 23:19:16 <neoclust> fredrin: i already cp  the old usb to the new eth1  changing DEVICE=usb0 to DEVICE=eth1
Jun 16 23:19:39 <neoclust> and i copied /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/usb0-routes into /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/eth1-routes
Jun 16 23:20:19 <neoclust> fredrin: i restart my network service and come back
Jun 16 23:20:48 <fredrin> k
Jun 16 23:21:06 <linuxxr> reboot the neo to
Jun 16 23:21:11 <neoclust> not better
Jun 16 23:21:19 <neoclust> ok i try too
Jun 16 23:21:25 <fredrin> and pray to the ghost in the machine 
Jun 16 23:22:05 <neoclust> i have to plug the FR when booting, or no matter if plugged later ?
Jun 16 23:42:20 <[Rui]> ooo one can now almost use paroli in landscape mode
Jun 16 23:42:42 <[Rui]> sleep
Jun 17 00:08:20 <linuxxr> poor intone
Jun 17 00:33:06 <fredrin> Paroli T5 seams to be working nicely
Jun 17 02:34:30 <badcloud> anyone awake?
Jun 17 02:36:06 <lymeca> What's newer... Koolu Beta 7 or Michael Trimarchi's 14.6 image?
Jun 17 02:43:23 <DocScrutinizer> badcloud: not really
Jun 17 02:43:57 <badcloud> hehe doc
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