**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 17 02:59:57 2009
Jun 17 06:49:04 <sgrover> What is the default password for the current Debian distro/install?  Blank and "openmoko" are not working.
Jun 17 06:51:38 <ndnihil> "debian" maybe?
Jun 17 06:53:36 <sgrover> ndnihil: thanks, but no joy
Jun 17 07:05:27 <sgrover> k, new question.  How do you open a console from the default Zhone interface?  (basically, I want to quit Zhone, without rebooting the freerunner)
Jun 17 07:16:00 <PaulFertser> sgrover: you just kill zhone by using illume topbar
Jun 17 07:16:19 <sgrover> um.. what illume topbar? :)
Jun 17 07:16:43 <PaulFertser> SpeedEvil: yes, you press the top panel, it slides down, there you see a big cross, press cross, it kills Zhone.
Jun 17 07:16:48 <PaulFertser> sgrover: ^^
Jun 17 07:16:50 <PaulFertser> SpeedEvil: sorry
Jun 17 07:17:01 <sgrover> I have a grey bar with icons for toggling wifi, bluetooth, gprsm, etc.  clicking the bar was doing nothing.
Jun 17 07:17:06 <PaulFertser> sgrover: if you use another WM you'd better know how to kill windows yourself.
Jun 17 07:17:19 <PaulFertser> sgrover: what WM do you use?
Jun 17 07:17:44 <sgrover> I have the default Debian install (http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner)
Jun 17 07:17:57 <sgrover> installed it last night, won't let me log in today.
Jun 17 07:18:02 <sgrover> (password issue)
Jun 17 07:18:41 <PaulFertser> sgrover: probably that's matchbox window manager then? It has a small cross on top right of every window.
Jun 17 07:19:08 <sgrover> whatever is running (Zhone I think) is full screen.
Jun 17 07:20:02 <sgrover> just about rebooted.. I'll check the bar in a second....
Jun 17 07:20:43 <PaulFertser> sgrover: then login via ssh and amend .xsession to your liking, what can i say...
Jun 17 07:21:11 <sgrover> :)... except it is not letting me login.. invalid password... (blank, openmoko, debian were tried)
Jun 17 07:21:24 <PaulFertser> sgrover: are you sure?
Jun 17 07:21:38 <sgrover> that's what the screen was telling me... one sec.
Jun 17 07:21:40 <PaulFertser> sgrover: that you're connecting to the FR and not to your host.
Jun 17 07:23:23 <sgrover> pretty sure.  But, it dropped usb0 while I was trying passwords, so maybe there is something off with my host...
Jun 17 07:23:58 <sgrover> I'll reboot my box and try again.  If it doesn't work, I'll post a pastie with the command outputs....
Jun 17 07:24:03 <sgrover> brb
Jun 17 07:29:57 <sgrover> looks a little more promising.  It asked for an ssh key confirmation this time.  But seems to be hung up after that
Jun 17 07:33:07 <PaulFertser> sgrover: wait
Jun 17 07:33:25 <sgrover> it dropped usb0 on me.  
Jun 17 07:34:03 <PaulFertser> sgrover: what?
Jun 17 07:34:28 <sgrover> had an IP on usb0, then didn't.  I'm working on a pastie....
Jun 17 07:35:14 <sgrover> here's what I had in my konsole window:  http://pastie.org/514816
Jun 17 07:36:21 <sgrover> set up networking on usb0.  Pinged the freerunner.  ssh'd to it, was prompted to accept the key (reasonable in this case), then hang.  
Jun 17 07:36:59 <sgrover> Break, check interface, no IP address.  Reapply address, try again, and passwords not being accepted.
Jun 17 07:37:14 <sgrover> Second time though, I think it *might* be looking at another device...
Jun 17 07:37:48 <sgrover> (kubuntu 9.04 64bit on AMD for my host, if that helps)
Jun 17 07:45:33 <PaulFertser> sgrover: check your dmesg
Jun 17 07:47:00 <sgrover> did that, nothing abnormal there.
Jun 17 07:48:32 <sgrover> think I'll reinstall debian and pay more attention to the end process this time.. :)
Jun 17 07:48:56 <sgrover> back in a few hours, or maybe tomorrow.  Thanks for the moral support though.. :)
Jun 17 07:49:08 <PaulFertser> sgrover: no
Jun 17 07:49:11 <PaulFertser> sgrover: reinstall is wrong
Jun 17 07:49:21 <PaulFertser> sgrover: you can boot from nand and theck the configuration
Jun 17 07:49:51 <PaulFertser> sgrover: in your paste i see no ip assigned on usb0
Jun 17 07:50:00 <PaulFertser> sgrover: at first
Jun 17 07:50:45 <PaulFertser> sgrover: then you do that but it's lost again. Looks like host problems! Most probably some network manager interfering.
Jun 17 07:51:03 <sgrover> right.  Cuz I just plugged the device, and haven't configured /etc/network/interfaces on the host yet.
Jun 17 07:51:31 <sgrover> could be.  knetworkmanager can be buggy at times.  (it's gotten lots better though)
Jun 17 07:51:41 <PaulFertser> sgrover: i don't use any network manager anywhere.
Jun 17 07:51:56 <sgrover> k, let me add an entry in network/interfaces, see if that resolves things.
Jun 17 08:06:27 <sgrover> PaulFertser: still no joy.  connection is staying more stable now, but still failing passwords.
Jun 17 08:12:51 <PaulFertser> sgrover: still looks like host problems
Jun 17 08:13:05 <sgrover> agreed.
Jun 17 08:13:52 <PaulFertser> sgrover: triple-check you're trying to access FR and not some random PC. Probably /sbin/arp output will give you a hint.
Jun 17 08:14:33 <sgrover> not an issue here.  My local IPs are on 172.16.x.y range.  There are no 192.168.x.x devices on my network.
Jun 17 08:14:53 <sgrover> except the FR of course.
Jun 17 08:20:40 <PaulFertser> sgrover: traceroute probably can help
Jun 17 08:21:41 <sgrover> checking out some of the ideas/issues mentioned at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Debian.2C_Ubuntu_and_others
Jun 17 09:07:24 <leila> Hi all, is there any concensus about which distro is best to use on the GTA02. I am considering using Android with the default bootloader.
Jun 17 09:07:37 <Ainulindale> Well I'd suggest SHR but I'm partial
Jun 17 09:07:46 <leila> I am trying to get as much features of the phone operational
Jun 17 09:08:07 <PaulFertser> leila: android is proprietary crap, how dare you to consider it?
Jun 17 09:08:57 <PaulFertser> leila: i'd suggest SHR unstable too. For a phone user. Or debian for more developer-oriented usage.
Jun 17 09:13:41 <leila> PaulFertser debian as in the same as I could get on the desktop compiled for the arm ?
Jun 17 09:16:31 <PaulFertser> leila: yes
Jun 17 09:16:49 <PaulFertser> leila: but with ability to use telephony. I use FR as my only cellphone and i use only debian there.
Jun 17 09:18:36 <leila> PaulFertser: reading the wiki page now looks good
Jun 17 09:18:52 <mjr> debian/fso working half-decently these days?
Jun 17 09:21:09 <PaulFertser> mjr: fso is the same and is working the same as on SHR or OM2009.
Jun 17 09:22:00 <leila> PaulFertser: seems that it will be debian. Also seems that I am no longer having a phone but a pc in my back pocket ;)
Jun 17 09:23:06 <mjr> maybe I should install debian on the repair-returned freerunners when I find the time and energy...
Jun 17 09:23:14 <mjr> again :]
Jun 17 09:23:48 <mjr> (indeed I find debian a better environment for developer aspirations, even though sadly they've mostly dwindled during this time)
Jun 17 09:26:57 <leila> I just love opensource
Jun 17 09:30:56 <leila> mjr what broke your phone ?
Jun 17 09:31:58 <leila> PaulFertser: curious is there a java arm port available ?
Jun 17 09:32:40 <PaulFertser> leila: yes, it is. I've never tried it but i know some guys had some success with some apps. You'll find some information on the wiki.
Jun 17 09:34:32 <mjr> one had the aux button go silent, other had display probs from day one but took a while to accurately pin it on the hardware
Jun 17 09:35:42 <PaulFertser> mjr: what was with the aux button? All reports i've seen are about weak solder-joint, so it's not a problem because one can easily solder it back.
Jun 17 09:35:57 <mjr> probably just that
Jun 17 09:36:13 <mjr> but I didn't want to void the warranty (from pulster) by doing it myself
Jun 17 09:55:02 <leila> one thing that I still need to get used to is the lack of weight from the freerunner
Jun 17 09:55:18 <leila> it looks big and heavy, but its not
Jun 17 09:55:57 <Weiss> i'm sure you can put a slug of lead steel in the empty space next to the battery :)
Jun 17 09:56:14 <leila> XD
Jun 17 10:15:14 <leila> PaulFertser: seems that a 512 smd is a bit to small to fit debian, is this still the case ?
Jun 17 10:17:35 <PaulFertser> leila: i used debian on 512Mb several days until i bought 8Gb. uSD are damn cheap these days. So i guess 512 is ok for a start.
Jun 17 10:27:24 <leila> PaulFertser: I see I shall have a dry run with the 512 and order (which I planned anyway) a 8 gb one
Jun 17 10:46:48 <leila> Is there a list of supported uSD cards for the GTA02 or are there no compatibility issues ?
Jun 17 10:49:50 <max_posedon> wiki has page about it
Jun 17 10:55:56 <leila> max_posedon: where is that page ?
Jun 17 10:56:57 <max_posedon> wiki.openmoko.org ->serach list supported microSD
Jun 17 11:03:35 <PaulFertser> leila: otoh if some card works with cardreader and doesn't work with FR it's a perfect opportunity to find and fix some bug.
Jun 17 11:07:47 <methril|work> PaulFertser: sure, i've one, but i see that it works fine with linux, but doesn't work in boot (u-boot) IIRC never u-boot correct some issues with uSD and uSD-HC
Jun 17 11:07:56 <methril|work> i don't know Qi
Jun 17 11:10:20 <PaulFertser> methril|work: i don't care about u-boot :p
Jun 17 11:10:36 <methril|work> PaulFertser: :)
Jun 17 12:09:11 <PaulFertser> Oh fuck! Gmail doesn't allow me to send executables in attachments! Fuck! Screw them, i need a new reliable mail service :(
Jun 17 12:09:38 <SpeedEvil> pgp
Jun 17 12:10:45 <PaulFertser> SpeedEvil: i've signed my mail
Jun 17 12:11:03 <playya> signing is not enough
Jun 17 12:11:16 <playya> but you can pack them into 42.zip ;)
Jun 17 12:11:57 <max_posedon> don't sign, encrypt!
Jun 17 12:13:17 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: first of all, it's not secret, second, that guy doesn't use pgp/gpg.
Jun 17 12:13:25 <PaulFertser> Plain stupid, ridiculous.
Jun 17 12:13:30 <PaulFertser> Fuck google
Jun 17 12:13:39 <max_posedon> ha-ha, why not fuck windows?)
Jun 17 12:13:43 <max_posedon> e.g. Microsoft
Jun 17 12:13:57 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: how does it matter? It's their policy to prohibit sending of binaries.
Jun 17 12:13:59 <max_posedon> I think google allows send ELFs)
Jun 17 12:14:45 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: i'm mad because of the restriction itself, not because it prohibits something or other. I'd be as mad if they prohibited sending/receiveing word documents. 
Jun 17 12:15:21 <PaulFertser> playya: it was tar.gz packed btw
Jun 17 12:15:33 <DieMumiee> Bosch does not allow sending zip files
Jun 17 12:15:40 <DieMumiee> so people called them foobar.pizza
Jun 17 12:15:55 <max_posedon> PaulFertser, it is free(as bear) service
Jun 17 12:16:01 <playya> hmm. is it possible set a password for gz?
Jun 17 12:16:02 <max_posedon> they can do whatever they want
Jun 17 12:16:28 * SpeedEvil wants free bear!
Jun 17 12:16:46 <playya> DieMumiee, the are only looking at the extensions. not at the magic bytes?
Jun 17 12:16:52 <DieMumiee> sure
Jun 17 12:17:03 <DieMumiee> everything else would make too much sense
Jun 17 12:17:12 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: so? i don't like stupidity and restrictions in any service. And i counted on gmail for long time :-/
Jun 17 12:17:31 <playya> muhahaha. maybe i should apply with a .zip file
Jun 17 12:18:11 <DieMumiee> nah .. you dont want to work there
Jun 17 12:18:49 <playya> i need a bachelor thesis and the have an interesting topic
Jun 17 12:18:56 * SpeedEvil ponders starting a email service for OM users.
Jun 17 12:19:04 <SpeedEvil> Guarantteed 6 9's reliability.
Jun 17 12:19:10 <SpeedEvil> (9.99999%)
Jun 17 12:19:20 <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rfc1ede3994bf 10/framework/objectquery.py: objectquery: use dbuscache.dbusInterfaceForObjectWithInterface
Jun 17 12:19:21 <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r4993a0cff2a0 10/framework/resource.py: resource: add exception logger
Jun 17 12:19:22 <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * ra4ef5d51eb7d 10/framework/frameworkd: frameworkd: don't fail if loophole can't be launched
Jun 17 12:19:39 <DieMumiee> playya: in what field?
Jun 17 12:19:43 <playya> wb mickeyl 
Jun 17 12:19:55 <playya> motorsports and linux 
Jun 17 12:20:04 <DieMumiee> ok sounds cool 
Jun 17 12:20:10 <playya> in Markgröningen
Jun 17 12:20:19 <playya> yes.
Jun 17 12:20:49 <SpeedEvil> playya: Hard-realtime control of aerodynamically unstable ramjet racing plane using the openmoko freerunner.
Jun 17 12:20:56 <DieMumiee> :)
Jun 17 12:21:23 <playya> over GSM
Jun 17 12:22:25 * jc1 providing e-mail service for beers.
Jun 17 12:22:39 <SpeedEvil> Do beers need email though.
Jun 17 12:30:16 <leila> If everything fails you can always ascii encode the executable and send it as the mailbody
Jun 17 12:32:02 <PaulFertser> leila: how can't you see it won't solve the problem?
Jun 17 12:34:51 <leila> PaulFertser: it wont solve it, since its a work-a-round at best
Jun 17 12:36:51 <PaulFertser> leila: yep, and for a workaround i've just sent a link to that file to download it over https. i'm mad at google because they decide for me what i'm allowed to send and what to receive. Fuckers. Also my home ISP blocks incoming ports (80, 25, others). Stupid jerks they don't want to understand it doesn't provide me any "security", just frustration.
Jun 17 12:36:52 <DocScrutinizer> jc1: could you create om accunt for PaulFertser ?
Jun 17 12:37:06 <DocScrutinizer> mail account even
Jun 17 12:37:18 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: he could, but i'm afraid i won't trust it too much ;)
Jun 17 12:37:32 <DocScrutinizer> :-)
Jun 17 12:38:20 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: i really hope that OM will stay in business but... Chances for google are higher.
Jun 17 12:38:30 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: get a mailacct at home.nixl.net ;-)
Jun 17 12:39:21 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: yep, i think i've already have one :) problem is reliability, as usual. And maintainence...
Jun 17 12:40:07 <leila> PaulFertser: agreed, port blocking means nothing. And it is probably not for security but more a "lets prevent people from runnign servers"
Jun 17 12:42:16 <DocScrutinizer> I'd sue them to fulfill their contract
Jun 17 12:42:35 <PaulFertser> leila: i think that's to somehow lessen the amount of "omfg i installed that shiny new adsl router and someone stole my internet password/whatever because i was too stupid to use default password and forgot to disallow external access"
Jun 17 12:43:07 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: i think they say it's an addendum to the contract. I can't even get them to support icmp properly :-/
Jun 17 12:43:08 <DocScrutinizer> global services ;-DD
Jun 17 12:43:42 <DocScrutinizer> change provider then
Jun 17 12:45:05 <DocScrutinizer> they only change policy if they find the current one give them more hussle than goods
Jun 17 12:45:52 <DocScrutinizer> if noone complains and creates expense for them, they will be example for others to do same
Jun 17 12:57:39 <Quadduc> Anyone know how to disable suspend in Om 2009 testing 5? Disabling it in Paroli has no effect whatsoever. I cannot use a narcoleptic phone...
Jun 17 12:58:02 <leila> Is my observation correct that the default software that comes with the phone is not the best at conserving energy ?
Jun 17 13:14:43 <PaulFertser> leila: the default software is mad old, many bugs were fixed since then.
Jun 17 13:15:05 <PaulFertser> leila: you need to also upgrade your bootloader to the latest Qi or u-boot.
Jun 17 13:30:12 <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r63a9ad025034 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/fso_actions.py: oeventsd: fso_actions: add state logic to the OccupyResource action
Jun 17 13:34:03 <Quadduc> There's no ompower, so what is controlling suspend?
Jun 17 13:34:23 <Quadduc> Doesn't even work setting it in Illume.
Jun 17 13:40:26 <timing> how is support of the: Atheros AR6001 WLAN Card
Jun 17 13:40:28 <timing> ?
Jun 17 13:41:10 <PaulFertser> timing: so-so
Jun 17 13:41:15 <PaulFertser> timing: the card mostly works.
Jun 17 13:41:26 <mjr> How do you mean "how"? There is a free driver, proprietary firmware (on the wlan chip), and some issues.
Jun 17 13:41:53 <PaulFertser> timing: several known unsolveable problems because of bugs in firmware. But it mostly works.
Jun 17 13:42:04 <timing> PaulFertser: I read somewhere that it's detected, but no actual communication
Jun 17 13:42:57 <timing> so this card works so-so: http://www.cardaccess-inc.com/products/index.php?a=wlan_burt
Jun 17 13:43:34 <PaulFertser> timing: actual communication works with most APs. WPA/WPA2 supported.
Jun 17 13:43:55 <timing> okay
Jun 17 13:44:20 <timing> I want to make a sd-wifi card work on my linux laptop and I thought this could be tha best place to ask around
Jun 17 13:44:25 <timing> *the
Jun 17 13:44:26 <ndnihil> wpa works?
Jun 17 13:44:28 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: yes
Jun 17 13:44:38 <ndnihil> not for me
Jun 17 13:44:46 <ndnihil> I figured it was the buggy chipset
Jun 17 13:44:56 <ndnihil> might have to dick around with it some more
Jun 17 13:44:57 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: try "wmiconfig -i eth0 --power maxperf"
Jun 17 13:45:03 <ndnihil> did that
Jun 17 13:45:32 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: then you have the AP that is not compatible... Bad luck.
Jun 17 13:45:40 <ndnihil> its linux
Jun 17 13:45:50 <ndnihil> PCI passthrough to a xen domU
Jun 17 13:46:18 <ndnihil> works with my laptop, also the leenooks
Jun 17 13:46:51 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: well, i can say that i used wpa myself with different APs. Only one didn't work no matter how i tried. So at least sometimes WPA works.
Jun 17 13:47:08 <ndnihil> I'll have to mess with it some more
Jun 17 13:47:17 <ndnihil> try a smaller key or something
Jun 17 13:53:53 <leila> PaulFertser: why did you pick Qi over uboot ?
Jun 17 13:54:49 <PaulFertser> lindi-: it does what i need and is small and is hackable. And by the time i bought FR u-boot was already deprecated by the OM devs. 
Jun 17 13:55:29 <leila> PaulFertser: ahar, that is motivation enough to use qi
Jun 17 14:02:02 <timing> and the Atheros AR6001 works okay with a normal debian linux install?
Jun 17 14:07:06 <leila> bye all
Jun 17 15:10:10 <mihairu> hi guys...did you notice that OM2009 is faster than SHR-unstable? Why it is? :/
Jun 17 15:11:05 <Weiss> faster in what way?
Jun 17 15:12:21 <mihairu> Weiss: for example, numptyphysics is very fast on om09, but same version on shr is, mmm i dont know right word,...slow, lower fps
Jun 17 15:22:19 <mihairu> Weiss: mokomaze is same...
Jun 17 15:23:54 <Weiss> mihairu: interesting.. i've heard anecdotal evidence that xf86-video-glamo is faster than Xglamo, but i haven't tested it myself. maybe that's what you're seeing
Jun 17 15:24:16 <mihairu> Weiss: and is possible to change xglamo to glamo?
Jun 17 15:24:23 <mihairu> xorg.conf?
Jun 17 15:25:23 <max_posedon> mihairu, not so easy
Jun 17 15:25:42 <max_posedon> it completly different xorg hw=engine
Jun 17 15:28:43 <mihairu> oh so...
Jun 17 16:27:00 <PBeck> hi
Jun 17 18:54:52 <pandoras_> wich file i need to flash the kernel? Every File from ../releases/Om2008.12 ?
Jun 17 18:54:59 <pandoras_> or only the Bynaries?
Jun 17 18:56:17 <naeg> pandoras_, the kernel is just one .bin file
Jun 17 18:56:26 <pandoras_> k
Jun 17 18:56:47 <naeg> and you need just the kernel and a rootfs(.jffs2 file)
Jun 17 19:04:43 <pandoras_> is the Kernel on the NAND or NOR Flash, and the Filesystem on the Card?
Jun 17 19:05:13 <linuxxr> nor is inaccessable   for the most part
Jun 17 19:06:02 <pandoras_> k, to be secure, for bootloaders ect?
Jun 17 19:06:26 <linuxxr> just hook up an be in nor   or nnand   then run the dfu command for the .bin   an then or the .jffs2
Jun 17 19:06:49 <SpeedEvil> It generally ignores NOR, unless you hold down a button
Jun 17 19:06:54 <SpeedEvil> then it boots from there
Jun 17 19:07:05 <SpeedEvil> s/boots/loads uboot/
Jun 17 19:07:05 <apt> SpeedEvil meant: then it loads uboot from there
Jun 17 19:07:21 <DocScrutinizer> there are two bootloaders: nand and nor-emergency-fallback. NAND also holds your kernel, and your rootfs. Never flash a kernel not matching the modules in rootfs!
Jun 17 19:08:03 <CIA-46> openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5133 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (components/r_us.lib gta02-core.pro): Add R US-like symbol
Jun 17 19:08:08 <pandoras_> 11 minutes less to download the Files
Jun 17 19:08:11 <SpeedEvil> NOR is basically only there to recover drom being an idiot.
Jun 17 19:08:13 <DocScrutinizer> i.e: always update kernel *and* matching rootfs same time (unless you know what you are doing)
Jun 17 19:08:27 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: ;-D
Jun 17 19:09:22 <pandoras_> puh.. the Wiki is as german aviable :P
Jun 17 19:09:32 <pandoras_> exist a german OM channel?
Jun 17 19:09:45 <DocScrutinizer> pandoras_: usually you want to DL current *.bin for kernel, and current *.jffs2 for rootfs
Jun 17 19:10:10 <DocScrutinizer> (irc chan) nope, not afaik
Jun 17 19:10:18 <linuxxr> its there for Qi also
Jun 17 19:10:28 <DocScrutinizer> and if there is, probably few members anyway ;)
Jun 17 19:11:30 <pandoras_> my English is anyway horrible xD, but thits a Way to learn it
Jun 17 19:12:15 <SpeedEvil> I thought there was #openmoko-de
Jun 17 19:12:19 <DocScrutinizer> pandoras_: no problem - we even got chinese members here ;-)
Jun 17 19:12:21 <SpeedEvil> sorry - tired.
Jun 17 19:12:26 <SpeedEvil> I'm thininking of #osm-de
Jun 17 19:12:34 <pandoras_> thx
Jun 17 19:12:48 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: sure there is. just /join  #openmoko-de  ;-P
Jun 17 19:13:29 <pandoras_> dont exist
Jun 17 19:14:08 <SpeedEvil> #osm-de is openstreetmap - on another server
Jun 17 19:14:09 <DocScrutinizer> duh, I just joined this very minute. Was existent when I did :-P
Jun 17 19:14:15 <pandoras_> hm.. irssi on OM :D IRC on a Phone, i love the Concept behind the OM, it makes everything possible
Jun 17 19:14:38 <SpeedEvil> Except, apparantly, GTA03
Jun 17 19:15:18 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: OM made GTA03 *possible*, not made it *happen*
Jun 17 19:15:28 <SpeedEvil> hmm - true.
Jun 17 19:16:09 <DocScrutinizer> actually there are TWO gta03 existing on this planet. Think both are in Argentina ATM
Jun 17 19:16:37 <SpeedEvil> A captive breeding program?
Jun 17 19:17:06 <linuxxr> bear  down Doc
Jun 17 19:17:12 * DocScrutinizer doubts GTA03 has ability to reproduce
Jun 17 19:17:36 <DocScrutinizer> linuxxr: huh? 
Jun 17 19:17:46 <linuxxr> we need more
Jun 17 19:18:05 <linuxxr> we can rebuild it
Jun 17 19:18:23 <DocScrutinizer> linuxxr: why? you don't even know the properties of GTA03
Jun 17 19:18:51 <linuxxr> but the gta-core   will do
Jun 17 19:18:52 <DocScrutinizer> why would you think you like to have one?
Jun 17 19:19:19 <DocScrutinizer> linuxxr: huh? 
Jun 17 19:19:41 <linuxxr> already ready to give up DOC?
Jun 17 19:19:49 <DocScrutinizer> sorry, constantly you lose me
Jun 17 19:20:41 <pandoras_> ok, something makes now something xD
Jun 17 19:23:29 <pandoras_> ok, i flashed the Kernlel in to the NOR, its always runnig...
Jun 17 19:23:40 <pandoras_> and now the Root Filesystem
Jun 17 19:24:23 <pandoras_> for wath i need the card? is the micro SD my Home folder? or a standart external Device
Jun 17 19:30:11 <pandoras_> the FS takes a long time, the kernel was fast flashed
Jun 17 19:32:56 <linuxxr> do u mean that u were in nor when u flashed the kernel 
Jun 17 19:34:27 <CIA-46> openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5134 10/trunk/gta02-core/pmu.sch: PMU schematic (work in progress). Add some basic resistors and connections
Jun 17 19:34:29 <linuxxr> because i think all things are flashed into the nand
Jun 17 19:35:45 <pandoras_> the steps with SSH be easy, Filesystem the same, Files the most the same..
Jun 17 19:36:23 <pandoras_> linux is linux, may a little other between distros, but anyway the same principe
Jun 17 19:36:48 <pandoras_> it makes it easy to understand every device, running under Linux
Jun 17 19:36:55 <panicking> mickeyl, Hi
Jun 17 19:37:03 <mickeyl> hi panicking, how's life
Jun 17 19:37:18 <mickeyl> progressing w/ you android stuff?
Jun 17 19:37:31 <panicking> mickeyl, I'm here to talk about vchanneld 
Jun 17 19:37:36 <panicking> and if it possible
Jun 17 19:37:44 <panicking> to use it
Jun 17 19:37:51 <mickeyl> vchanneld?
Jun 17 19:37:53 <panicking> instead of gsm0910d
Jun 17 19:37:54 <panicking> ?
Jun 17 19:38:29 <panicking> http://git.moko.serdar-dere.net/?p=platform/hardware/ril.git;a=blob;f=vchanneld/virtual-channel.c;h=c9775cd8180975292bf9b5a12ccd25869e03a166;hb=39e0024a2906ab159dac3884a823e4cf3a45c26d
Jun 17 19:39:00 <panicking> I must change some author because I use some of your code
Jun 17 19:39:15 <mickeyl> hmm
Jun 17 19:39:41 <panicking> and now it's work only on android
Jun 17 19:39:44 <panicking> freerunner
Jun 17 19:40:04 <panicking> I need to add the dbus
Jun 17 19:40:07 <panicking> interface
Jun 17 19:41:03 <panicking> mickeyl, or I will drop it in the feuture
Jun 17 19:41:10 <panicking> It's no a problem for me
Jun 17 19:41:18 <panicking> but If you find somenthing usefull
Jun 17 19:41:23 <panicking> maybe 
Jun 17 19:41:29 <mickeyl> sure, i can keep that in mind
Jun 17 19:41:36 <mickeyl> we're pretty satisfied with our fso-abyss though
Jun 17 19:41:44 <mickeyl> works like a charm
Jun 17 19:41:49 <mickeyl> respects flow control
Jun 17 19:41:54 <mickeyl> can be used as library, etc.
Jun 17 19:42:01 <panicking> Ok, I'm happy for you
Jun 17 19:42:04 <mickeyl> :)
Jun 17 19:42:23 <panicking> mickeyl, everything fine here
Jun 17 19:42:43 <mickeyl> eventually, I'd love to see a kernel patch, but apparantly it's not important for anyone yet
Jun 17 19:42:55 <panicking> We can discuss
Jun 17 19:42:56 <panicking> this
Jun 17 19:43:10 <panicking> I can move my code on the kernel, a company is interested too
Jun 17 19:43:17 <panicking> to move the mux in the kernel side
Jun 17 19:43:36 <lindi-> panicking: why move it to kernel?
Jun 17 19:43:46 <mickeyl> for the Calypso it's not so important, but once we have faster data modems, a user space muxer will hurt us
Jun 17 19:43:47 <panicking> mickeyl, Are you talking about the kernel?
Jun 17 19:44:03 <panicking> lindi-, I'm talking about the kernel
Jun 17 19:44:07 <mickeyl> yes, kernel
Jun 17 19:44:11 <panicking> move the muxer inside the kernel
Jun 17 19:45:19 <linuxxr> kernel muxer     hmmmm..
Jun 17 19:45:21 <panicking> Ok, a guy that works in sirf use my muxer for his android porting
Jun 17 19:45:47 <panicking> and ask me, for a kernel side support
Jun 17 19:45:55 <panicking> (no money ofcourse)
Jun 17 19:46:06 <mickeyl> ah well
Jun 17 19:46:09 <mickeyl> it's not an easy task
Jun 17 19:46:18 <mickeyl> you should try to squeak a contract out of it :)
Jun 17 19:46:19 <BogdanR> Hello
Jun 17 19:46:42 <panicking> Yes, now maybe will start a contract with a company that use the freerunner
Jun 17 19:46:42 <mickeyl> a proper kernel muxer with a nice ioctl interface would definitely be welcome
Jun 17 19:46:43 <BogdanR> I am trying to establish an USB connection with QT Extended and it doesn't seem to be working
Jun 17 19:46:51 <pandoras_> ok, i think it works... while booting
Jun 17 19:46:55 <panicking> and I hope that they move to the new gta02-core
Jun 17 19:47:13 <BogdanR> With all the other distros it works with no problem
Jun 17 19:47:31 <panicking> mickeyl, if you have some idea we can share and try to open a project on it
Jun 17 19:47:44 <panicking> we can try to open a project for it
Jun 17 19:47:47 <BogdanR> I want to install QT Extended Improved but I need an USB connection for that
Jun 17 19:47:51 <panicking> maybe a can ask for some money
Jun 17 19:47:53 <panicking> :D
Jun 17 19:48:12 <linuxxr> dfu utilities not working?
Jun 17 19:48:14 <mickeyl> you should get Laf0rge's input on that
Jun 17 19:48:30 <mickeyl> i think he has a plan for that
Jun 17 19:48:35 <mickeyl> but no time or motivation to actually do it
Jun 17 19:48:56 <mickeyl> openezx may have some code that could be reused
Jun 17 19:49:03 <mickeyl> from the MOTO kernel
Jun 17 19:49:11 <BogdanR> linuxxr: Are you asking me about the dfu utils?
Jun 17 19:49:14 <mickeyl> although it implements a more complex protocol based on 07.10 basic + extensions
Jun 17 19:49:16 <pandoras_> JEAH, after Flashing, i got a new NetworkInterface usb0, lets connect :D
Jun 17 19:49:25 <panicking> Ok I will take a look on that
Jun 17 19:49:29 <mickeyl> great
Jun 17 19:49:32 <panicking> thanks
Jun 17 19:49:35 <linuxxr> BogdanR yes
Jun 17 19:49:37 <panicking> other question
Jun 17 19:49:38 <mickeyl> bbiab, spending some time w/ wifey
Jun 17 19:49:41 <mickeyl> ok
Jun 17 19:49:47 <mickeyl> quick, please, need to move
Jun 17 19:49:53 <panicking> I'm talkin with a guy
Jun 17 19:49:57 <panicking> that works on telit
Jun 17 19:50:01 <BogdanR> linuxxr: dfu tuils is not for usb network as far as I know
Jun 17 19:50:04 <panicking> and say that a big issue
Jun 17 19:50:09 <panicking> has how to report flow control
Jun 17 19:50:15 <panicking> using virtual terminal
Jun 17 19:50:23 <panicking> so how to stop
Jun 17 19:50:24 <mickeyl> that's correct
Jun 17 19:50:31 <linuxxr> oo i thought u wanted to install qtImproved?
Jun 17 19:50:36 <mickeyl> first, the use of pts is wrong
Jun 17 19:50:37 <mickeyl> :)
Jun 17 19:50:39 <mickeyl> in general
Jun 17 19:50:43 <mickeyl> as it wastes lot of performance
Jun 17 19:50:51 <mickeyl> _if_ you absolutely have to do it w/ pts, then
Jun 17 19:50:58 <mickeyl> check the FC bit on muxer layer
Jun 17 19:51:03 <mickeyl> if it's present
Jun 17 19:51:06 <mickeyl> stop to read from the pts
Jun 17 19:51:15 <mickeyl> eventually the pts kernel buffer will get full
Jun 17 19:51:32 <linuxxr> i guess u want it on a card:)
Jun 17 19:51:32 <mickeyl> and folks will no longer be able to write into pts
Jun 17 19:51:32 <mickeyl> when FC gets cleared later
Jun 17 19:51:32 <mickeyl> start reading from the pts node again
Jun 17 19:51:34 <mickeyl> and things resume
Jun 17 19:51:50 <lindi-> panicking: yes but why?
Jun 17 19:51:55 <mickeyl> i have implemented something like that in fso-abyss
Jun 17 19:52:02 <panicking> I will take a look
Jun 17 19:52:07 <mickeyl> ok, good speed
Jun 17 19:52:11 <mickeyl> cu l8er
Jun 17 19:52:38 <panicking> thanks mickey
Jun 17 19:53:08 <pandoras_> usb0 have a IPv6 as IP, 192.168.0.200 dont work "No such Device"
Jun 17 19:54:26 <panicking> lindi-, the answer is in the discussion
Jun 17 19:57:34 <lindi-> panicking: on irc?
Jun 17 19:58:27 <panicking> Yes, I think that having a kernel interface
Jun 17 19:58:33 <panicking> that expose the channel 
Jun 17 19:58:44 <panicking> offer more performance and more stability
Jun 17 19:59:05 <panicking> the user just open the device and use some interface to open and close channel
Jun 17 19:59:20 <pandoras_> some want work in the networkinterfaces
Jun 17 20:00:35 <pandoras_> SIOCSIFADDR: No such device  hm... wath is SIOCSIFADDR?
Jun 17 20:02:24 <BogdanR> pandoras_: I think it's a variable from the kernel module that takes care of networking
Jun 17 20:03:41 <BogdanR> pandoras_: or maybe a ioctl call
Jun 17 20:05:43 <BogdanR> pandoras_: I think that basically the userspace can't find the kernel space device that you try to configure
Jun 17 20:07:18 <pandoras_> OMG! 22:07, im to long awake
Jun 17 20:07:35 <pandoras_> i try going to sleep
Jun 17 20:07:40 <pandoras_> and thx 4 the Help
Jun 17 20:15:17 <leila> Hi all, is it normal if I have upgraded the bootloader the screen does not turn on when booting the shipped os ?
Jun 17 20:15:59 <linuxxr> u p Qi in   instead of u-boot?
Jun 17 20:16:30 <leila> yup
Jun 17 20:16:34 <linuxxr> installed Qi?
Jun 17 20:17:18 <leila> linuxxr, Yup I did
Jun 17 20:17:32 <linuxxr> i thought u were putting shr on?
Jun 17 20:18:33 <leila> shr is the os right ?
Jun 17 20:18:36 <linuxxr> u need latest .jffs2 an .bin of something besides the default
Jun 17 20:18:45 <linuxxr> yes
Jun 17 20:19:03 <linuxxr> shr,debian.om2009,gentoo
Jun 17 20:19:28 <linuxxr> the default is 2008.9 right?
Jun 17 20:19:42 <linuxxr> or 2007.2?
Jun 17 20:20:19 <linuxxr> u have shr?
Jun 17 20:20:30 <leila> Qi's concept is to leave everything possible to Linux, that includes even the video init  <-- that explains it I suppose
Jun 17 20:20:34 <DocScrutinizer> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2009-June/001238.html
Jun 17 20:27:28 <leila> going to reboot the host ...
Jun 17 20:27:32 <leila> brb
Jun 17 20:39:15 <leila> ok flashing in the proper version seems to have worked somehow
Jun 17 20:45:36 <leila> Next step, to figure out if I can install debian on it
Jun 17 20:57:33 <linuxxr> neovento was a very cool debian that will fit on nand if u wanna try--- i recommend
Jun 17 20:58:20 <linuxxr> i see that intone on shr-unstable   has big fonts:)
Jun 17 21:00:13 <DocScrutinizer> leila: Qi's concept also is uSD focused. so why would you want to install Qi if you are interested in finding a distri to run from NAND?
Jun 17 21:05:41 <leila> DocScrutinizer, I am installing debian to the usd (shortly I hope) . But uboot has been depracated and thus I replaced it with Qi
Jun 17 21:06:21 <DocScrutinizer> leila: duh, *who* told uboot is deprecated?
Jun 17 21:07:37 <leila> DocScrutinizer, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi
Jun 17 21:09:11 <DocScrutinizer> hmmm, I can't confirm that to be gereral opinion
Jun 17 21:10:36 <leila> oh well it is separate from what I use as OS and can be changed I presume
Jun 17 21:11:00 <leila> for now it seems to be installing debian by the install script
Jun 17 21:13:31 <DocScrutinizer> leila: well, I suggest *first* finding a distro you are happy with, configure it to your needs, *then* eventually consider to give Qi a shot and see if it's worth the additional trouble and learning
Jun 17 21:14:52 <leila> I picked debian for now because a) its a full system b) is easy to install. Qi I installed since that seems to work out of the box with the bigger kernels (or that is what I made out of the wiki)
Jun 17 22:01:31 <SpeedEvil> http://b3ta.com/challenge/iphone/ Clearly the apps OM needs!
Jun 17 22:06:41 <SpeedEvil> http://b3ta.com/board/9527533 genius
Jun 17 22:09:40 <leila> installing debian takes its jolly time
Jun 17 22:18:09 <linuxxr> 55 minuites?
Jun 17 22:19:56 <leila> linuxxr, something like that
Jun 17 22:20:36 <leila> seems that the install has finished but the reboot fails
Jun 17 22:21:15 <linuxxr> dangit man
Jun 17 22:22:04 <linuxxr> sdcard install/
Jun 17 22:22:15 <linuxxr> ?
Jun 17 22:22:18 <leila> yup
Jun 17 22:22:32 <leila> used the install script as per http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner
Jun 17 22:23:08 <linuxxr> did u give  it 5 minuites to boot?
Jun 17 22:23:26 <leila> "Unknown boot option `g_ether.host_addr-<mac>: ignoring"
Jun 17 22:23:41 <linuxxr> error on installing kerlel at the very last?
Jun 17 22:24:22 <linuxxr> kernel?
Jun 17 22:24:27 <leila> not that I could see, there were warnings about not being able to write log files during the install
Jun 17 22:25:29 <linuxxr> tried rebooting 2-3 times?
Jun 17 22:26:43 <linuxxr> latest shr didnt boot the first time today
Jun 17 22:26:50 <leila> 3rd time is a charm (maybe)
Jun 17 22:27:04 <linuxxr> well atleast 2 times
Jun 17 22:27:34 <leila> it seems to be booting
Jun 17 22:27:53 <linuxxr> wondering if suspend is fixed in Qi
Jun 17 22:28:45 <leila> it now stopped at usbcore: registered new interface driver btusb
Jun 17 22:29:10 <linuxxr> Ainulindale   whats new?
Jun 17 22:29:42 <linuxxr> neovento worked ok fot me
Jun 17 22:29:52 <linuxxr> *for
Jun 17 22:31:30 <linuxxr> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neovento
Jun 17 22:32:09 <leila> ah it continued
Jun 17 22:33:35 <leila> and it seems as to have gotten as far as a login prompt
Jun 17 22:35:42 <leila> linuxxr, is there supposed to be a default password  ?
Jun 17 22:37:33 <linuxxr> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hackable:1
Jun 17 22:37:47 <linuxxr>     dont think so
Jun 17 22:37:56 <linuxxr> maybe though
Jun 17 22:38:10 <linuxxr> booted on up   eh?
Jun 17 22:38:57 <linuxxr>  yes its long booted
Jun 17 22:40:31 <linuxxr> did u boot sdcard from nor    or did Qi autoboot to the card?
Jun 17 22:40:49 <leila> autoboot
Jun 17 22:40:54 <leila> afaik
Jun 17 22:43:33 <leila> trying it with the nor, saying it can not load the kernel image
Jun 17 22:46:38 <linuxxr> did u log in ok?
Jun 17 22:47:12 <linuxxr> so u have debian on sd an shr in nand??
Jun 17 22:48:38 <linuxxr> im getting a faster  unsuspend
Jun 17 22:49:19 <linuxxr> 2 seconds
Jun 17 22:50:16 <linuxxr> an intone works again with large fonts
Jun 17 22:50:47 <linuxxr> nearly less than 2 seconds
Jun 17 22:51:06 <leila> nope, since all I got was a command prompt that asked for username, but no keyboard or anything to type with. PLugging in the usb did get me a connection, but the default root password seems to not work
Jun 17 22:51:43 <linuxxr> i think its open or blank
Jun 17 22:53:38 <leila> hmm the usd indeed seems to have a linux structure on it
Jun 17 22:54:01 <DocScrutinizer> what else?
Jun 17 23:01:05 <techiem2-r> any android experts around tonight?
Jun 17 23:13:27 <linuxxr> an updated duke nukem or doom would   be a reall seller
Jun 17 23:44:07 <CIA-46> openmoko: 03werner * r5135 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Added r_us to the meta- and generated files.
Jun 18 02:06:39 <linuxxr> installed 5-6 programs from opkg.org   now unsuspend takes more time than 2 seconds
Jun 18 02:27:10 <badcloud> anyone having trouble reconnecting to a slim bluetooth keyboard?
Jun 18 02:27:54 <badcloud> it worked for me under shr and hackable1 after each initial setup
Jun 18 02:28:25 <loca|host> what if it was flat bt keyboard ? no troubles ?
Jun 18 02:28:42 <badcloud> flat?
Jun 18 02:29:39 <badcloud> what do you mean?
Jun 18 02:31:28 <badcloud> if you know anything about this, you could really help me out
Jun 18 02:31:51 <badcloud> I've been googleing like mad
Jun 18 02:35:12 <loca|host> badcloud, no sorry, was relaxing a bit
Jun 18 02:35:21 <loca|host> its 4 in the morning here ..
Jun 18 02:35:33 <badcloud> wow
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