**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 20 02:59:57 2009 Jun 20 03:00:07 and of course exploiting all my AmEx and diners and dunno credit until ATM is going to emit smoke ;-) Jun 20 03:02:06 hey if I would owe Virgin/Sony whoever >>1Mio bucks, what's the problem with another 500k debit on some creditcards Jun 20 03:35:27 DocMobilizer, for fast switching between tabs I just use fingers Jun 20 04:52:23 opkg list upgradable Jun 20 06:47:49 thx for the links :) Jun 20 08:52:05 ciao a tutti Jun 20 09:01:03 siksika:italian? Jun 20 09:01:11 si Jun 20 09:01:20 ciao Jun 20 09:01:22 entra in #telefoninux Jun 20 09:01:30 si Jun 20 09:01:38 ;) Jun 20 09:01:49 :-) Jun 20 09:02:01 tutto ok Jun 20 09:02:17 io il mio l'ho in ospedele Jun 20 09:02:28 tutto ok ? Jun 20 09:02:44 ? Jun 20 09:03:05 si l'ho da eshopen Jun 20 09:03:19 x il fix Jun 20 09:03:35 parliamo su #telefoninux questo รจ un chan inglese Jun 20 09:03:44 ok Jun 20 10:18:27 Wuhuu! The networking over USB runs Jun 20 10:18:31 :D Jun 20 10:22:34 Wuhuu! Indeed. Jun 20 10:30:56 hm.. the OM Keyboard sucks Jun 20 10:31:11 can i install alternative Keyboards? Jun 20 10:32:16 There iss always bluetooth. Jun 20 10:32:46 (but, yes, there are also several software keyboards that one can use) Jun 20 10:43:39 Illume keep crashing on me. The Paroli-(mumble) setting works fine, but I accidentally changed it to Paroli-illume. What configuration file do I need to edit to change it back to Paroli-(mumble)? (Om2009t4 upgraded to Om2009t5) Jun 20 10:52:54 ahoi Jun 20 11:02:05 sync Jun 20 11:02:06 sync Jun 20 11:02:08 sync Jun 20 11:02:09 oops Jun 20 11:03:45 halt Jun 20 11:04:29 actually no Jun 20 11:04:57 I was writing a usb bootstick and wanted to make sure it was all out Jun 20 12:00:17 there is one street missing in OSM. can I use my freerunner to pinpoint it on the map? Jun 20 12:00:33 so can I use my FR to contribute to OSM? Jun 20 12:02:33 Yup. Jun 20 12:02:36 You can. Jun 20 12:03:11 Never done it myself, but I believe you need to save your route to a file and then you can use that file to complete OSM. Jun 20 12:03:42 Iirc it's also explained on the OM wiki, search for OSM. Jun 20 12:06:13 I read in Wiki I need to use http://minucci.net/file/convert2gpx.py to convert it Jun 20 12:06:21 and then maybe I can upload it to OSM? Jun 20 12:06:23 Basically, that's the first step. Jun 20 12:06:29 You have a trace. Jun 20 12:06:44 Uploading the trace alone to OSM helps a little - especially if you tag it sanely. Jun 20 12:06:46 not yet Jun 20 12:07:10 clicking on "Split"? Jun 20 12:07:11 'journey by car from san-pedro to Anchorage' Jun 20 12:07:31 oh, ok Jun 20 12:07:49 Then ideally, you enter roadnames, and stuff that is missing along that route. Jun 20 12:08:02 with another editor - JOSM or potlatch Jun 20 12:08:09 I just want to add that little missing road. so when I am at the crossing, I click "Split"? and when there is a curve, I click "Split" again? Jun 20 12:08:13 (the 'edit' tab on the wiki is potlatch) Jun 20 12:08:15 no Jun 20 12:08:22 that's just the GPS trace Jun 20 12:09:15 You then need to take that GPS trace of the road, and the existing data, and your notes (or memory) of road designations/signs/... and create roads or cyclepaths or ... along that GPS trace. Jun 20 12:10:09 Split can be helpful, as an aid to memory, or as a minimum when you change transport types - if you just want to upload and not do any more. Jun 20 12:10:46 ok Jun 20 12:11:19 Think of - for example - a map consisting of just tracks - it's not very helpfull - as it has no information if they are footpaths, or motorways. Jun 20 12:11:21 I give it a try now. I'm in Krefeld, Gladbacher Strasse :) Jun 20 12:11:34 ok Jun 20 12:11:36 More germans! Jun 20 12:11:47 * SpeedEvil wonders what it is with germans and mapping :) Jun 20 12:12:06 Anyway - you may find also on irc.oftc.net #osm - or I think #osm-de of use Jun 20 12:12:38 There are a large number of germans involved for some reason. Bits of germany are quite well mapped Jun 20 12:12:46 zey muzt be precize!!! Jun 20 12:14:32 SpeedEvil: Can you tell me how I can change my Nickname in TangoGPS? I studied the entire docu Jun 20 12:14:48 No idea, sorry Jun 20 12:14:57 I'd look at the config files in vi Jun 20 12:19:49 ok Jun 20 12:20:48 I have no config in ~/.tangogps/ Jun 20 12:20:56 only two .db files Jun 20 12:25:08 it uses gconf Jun 20 12:31:04 Anyone here interested in checking the status of opkg.org? My plan is to use the existing scripts at http://www.opkg.org/repo.html to download all packages and then sort them based on if the package has been correctly created or not.. Jun 20 12:36:30 (well, never mind..) Jun 20 13:17:13 LOL eth0 is the Wireless Device o_0' Jun 20 13:17:32 i searched the wlan0 and found nothing Jun 20 14:11:53 openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5155 10/trunk/gta02-core/pmu.sch: PMU (work in progress) Jun 20 14:14:32 openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5156 10/trunk/gta02-core/pmu.sch: PMU (work in progress) - Fix annotation Jun 20 14:19:07 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r767f8c58c93f 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_contacts.py: [opimd] Contacts: fix possible division by zero Jun 20 14:29:40 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r7bbc15a5fb1d 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_messages.py: [opimd] Messages: fix possible division by zero Jun 20 14:29:41 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * ra47f754c63a2 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (__init__.py pimb_sqlite_messages.py): [opimd] add SQLite-Messages backend Jun 20 14:48:03 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r1db56b422b13 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (pimb_sqlite_messages.py pimd_messages.py): [opimd] Messages: implement Delete method and support it in SQLite backend Jun 20 15:23:04 openmoko: 03rehar * r5157 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (gta02-core.lib gta02_power.lib): added USB_VBUS to gta02_power.lib Jun 20 15:29:36 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r6000250a2720 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (4 files): opimd: introduce PIMB_NEEDS_SYNC property and use it instead of try...except: blocks Jun 20 15:31:00 openmoko: 03rehar * r5158 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (gta02-core.sch usb.sch): Jun 20 15:31:00 openmoko: added usb to gta02-core.sch Jun 20 15:31:00 openmoko: added usb schematics Jun 20 15:49:57 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Paroli-issues#Low_hanging_fruits_to_start_developing_Paroli_with Jun 20 15:52:47 openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5159 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (5 files): Add missing symbols - zxct1009 and upg2012tb for GPS Jun 20 16:07:15 openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5160 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (gps.sch gta02-core.sch): Add GPS sheet Jun 20 16:22:33 i upgraded my shr-unstable according to the instructions on the ml but now theres no ringtone or vibration on incoming calls, does anyone have any suggestions for how to go about fixing this? Jun 20 16:31:21 hello Jun 20 16:31:52 it's been a while i've not played with freerunner Jun 20 16:32:41 i have changed uboot by qi and there is no dfu support Jun 20 16:32:45 :-( Jun 20 16:32:58 so i will try to flash again uboot Jun 20 16:33:11 use the NOR menu for flashing Jun 20 16:35:21 solar_george, what do you mean? Jun 20 16:35:36 nanouck_ http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner#Boot_the_FreeRunner_from_NOR_Flash Jun 20 16:35:39 since i've replaced uboot there is no more nor menu Jun 20 16:36:14 this is a freerunner not a neo 1973 your talking about isn't it Jun 20 16:36:35 freerunner yes Jun 20 16:37:38 you can't overwrite the nor on a free runner without a debug board Jun 20 16:37:58 anyone conencting to a Linux AP via wifi? Jun 20 16:38:04 ok Jun 20 16:38:22 thanks solar_george Jun 20 16:39:59 no probs, not sure i was much help tho Jun 20 16:42:31 so where is put qi? Jun 20 16:42:34 what's wrong with this? I get no output. mdbus -s -l | grep PDP Jun 20 16:42:45 uboot is launching qi? Jun 20 16:42:57 on the NAND memory Jun 20 16:43:01 without the grep i get Jun 20 16:43:06 [SIGNAL] org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.NetworkStatus Jun 20 16:43:09 etc Jun 20 16:43:19 have i lost my touch with linux? Jun 20 16:43:52 * tim_abell is trying out gprs Jun 20 16:46:15 solar_george, oh FR has got a NAND and also uSD port, i'm used to work with STB and there is only NOR Jun 20 16:47:36 yes Jun 20 16:47:58 nor is the backup bootloader incase nand get damaged or Qied Jun 20 16:47:58 STB? Jun 20 16:48:09 set top boxes Jun 20 16:48:13 oh Jun 20 16:48:52 it is quite strange for me to reproduce JTAG env with debug board Jun 20 16:49:29 openmoko: 03rehar * r5161 10/trunk/gta02-core/usb.sch: Jun 20 16:49:29 openmoko: added some missing References Jun 20 16:49:29 openmoko: fixed some things Alvaro mentioned, missing connection, spacing between R and wire Jun 20 16:51:39 at boot time without pressing anything it launch loader on NAND Jun 20 16:52:21 if i press power and swap if launch nor flash bootloader Jun 20 16:53:21 power and aux yes Jun 20 16:53:55 i would just like to share some first time joy.... Jun 20 16:54:15 traceroute to is.gd (78.31.109.147), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets Jun 20 16:54:15 1 10.252.224.61 (10.252.224.61) 716.899 ms 528.269 ms 517.516 ms Jun 20 16:54:15 2 host206.msm.che.vodafone (10.206.64.4) 519.740 ms 529.280 ms 519.608 ms Jun 20 16:54:15 etc. woo! Jun 20 16:54:28 from my freerunner over ssh Jun 20 16:55:04 i seem to recall that taking to set up and troubleshoot on my crappy previous proprietary phone Jun 20 16:55:23 taking considerably longer Jun 20 17:00:07 So if i would like to see serial traces from kernel and bootloader, i need to get to usb wires, 1 for debug board and 1 for FR to connect on ssh later Jun 20 17:07:49 if my freerunner is connected to usb when i turn it on / reboot it, it promptly goes on standby. is this a known issue? Jun 20 17:08:29 if i boot it without the usb connected, and then connect it later, it seems to disable the power management, which is much better Jun 20 17:09:36 afaik frameworkd will only notice the hotplug event when its connected not if its already there when its started Jun 20 17:10:29 can we get it to check on startup? Jun 20 17:10:45 idk Jun 20 17:10:47 (i say we, without the faintest where to start) Jun 20 17:11:11 you'd probably be better on -cdevel with that kind of question Jun 20 17:11:34 or maybe theres something on the fso bug tracked Jun 20 17:12:01 i'll take a look Jun 20 17:12:02 ta Jun 20 17:13:23 openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5162 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (gta02-core.lib gta02_power.lib): More power symbols Jun 20 17:14:13 openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5163 10/trunk/gta02-core/gps.sch: GPS (work in progress) Jun 20 17:24:41 i rebooted. it's behaving from the gui now. woo :) Jun 20 17:25:05 :) Jun 20 17:36:38 hm.. i cant found the OM as USB Device :/ Jun 20 17:38:11 ARGH! Wrong cable xD Jun 20 17:38:15 im a Idiot Jun 20 17:38:55 2 Jun 20 17:38:59 oops Jun 20 17:42:24 su Jun 20 17:42:28 mysecretpassword Jun 20 17:42:30 ooops Jun 20 17:42:32 ;) Jun 20 17:46:15 openmoko: 03rehar * r5164 10/trunk/gta02-core/gta02-core.sch: rearranged and resized sheets in gta02-core.sch Jun 20 17:56:12 openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5165 10/trunk/gta02-core/gps.sch: GPS (work in progress) Jun 20 18:37:37 Downloading http://download.navit-project.org/navit/openmoko/svn//navit-svn-2348_armv4t.opk Jun 20 18:37:45 Next I got "Killed" Jun 20 18:38:12 and the paroli did crash and Xglamo freezes :( Jun 20 18:38:41 I reboot now Jun 20 18:38:48 argh! I can't :( Jun 20 18:39:10 rhaeder: dmesg Jun 20 18:40:08 lindi: to late. I removed battery because it crashes immediately after the reboot :( Jun 20 18:40:20 I mean when the windows turns white and then black Jun 20 18:40:34 you know what I mean? Jun 20 18:40:50 rhaeder: use watchdog so that you don't need to remove battery Jun 20 18:41:02 how? Jun 20 18:42:50 frameworkd.subsystem DEBUG no plugin: factory function not found in module Jun 20 18:43:00 I found this in frameworkd.log Jun 20 18:43:12 oh, a lot more debug lines Jun 20 18:43:19 which errorous lines Jun 20 18:43:49 rhaeder: are you using OM2009? if so, you should have Xorg (?) Jun 20 18:44:02 yes, testing5 here Jun 20 18:44:02 rhaeder: modprobe s3c2410_wdt Jun 20 18:44:06 rhaeder: apt-get install watchdog Jun 20 18:44:14 Xglamo Jun 20 18:44:18 ok, thanks Jun 20 18:44:45 i.e. xf86-video-glamo. bug reports are more than welcome.. Jun 20 18:44:54 especially if you can repeat the crash Jun 20 18:45:33 i can always repeat it :) Jun 20 18:46:33 lindi: there is wether no apt-get nor watchdog package Jun 20 18:46:43 but the module is loaded at first place Jun 20 18:48:51 rhaeder: well, figure out if your distro has something similar Jun 20 18:49:23 I have fso, hmmm Jun 20 18:52:25 my next guess was full partitions, but they don't look very full to me Jun 20 18:53:12 http://www.nopaste.org/p/aaczsye74 Jun 20 18:53:35 I have now removed the navit line and the upgrade works again Jun 20 18:53:44 I should report a bug to the author of navit Jun 20 19:11:27 openmoko: 03werner * r5166 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ (. README): Proposed ECN process. Jun 20 19:12:15 * Weiss must say - Fedora 11 does seems to have Just Worked out how to deal with my FR's USB networking.. Jun 20 19:28:23 Greetings, people of #openmoko! Jun 20 19:30:54 hi Jun 20 20:12:49 Hey, my A6 boots up now! Maybe I don't have the can't-boot-with-discharged-battery issue after all! Jun 20 20:21:25 Hm. Where is the / key in the keyboard? Jun 20 20:55:55 hi guys... Jun 20 20:56:24 i need a little help...i am on sdcard(debian) and i want to have an access to internal memory of FR...is this possible? Jun 20 21:02:52 yes it is Jun 20 21:21:11 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r34f8ac15c6a6 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (pimb_sim_messages_fso.py pimd_messages.py): opimd: Messages: Implement handling incoming messages Jun 20 22:11:11 ugh. why is my resolv.conf on my fr never quite right? Jun 20 22:11:24 it's gone back to pointing at localhost now Jun 20 22:36:54 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rc5c0588badc4 10/conf/example/frameworkd.conf: conf: specify default backend for opimd Messages domain Jun 20 23:17:49 is there gps navigation software for openmoko? Jun 20 23:18:53 yes, tangogps for example Jun 20 23:19:56 openmoko: 03werner * r5167 10/trunk/gta02-core/memory.sch: Jun 20 23:19:56 openmoko: Update from Luke Duncan Jun 20 23:19:56 openmoko: Note that the CPU needs adapting too, so this isn't correct yet. Jun 20 23:20:11 gmap: check out navit Jun 20 23:21:06 thx Jun 20 23:22:42 you think the freerunner with openmoko would be good for in vehicle messaging and navigation? Jun 20 23:25:31 no Jun 20 23:25:36 not yet at least Jun 20 23:26:50 what is it lacking? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jun 21 03:00:04 2009