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Jun 22 05:08:37 <CIA-46> openmoko: 03Duncanla * r5187 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
Jun 22 05:08:37 <CIA-46> openmoko: Updated memory.sch
Jun 22 05:08:37 <CIA-46> openmoko:  -Gave values to RPxxxx
Jun 22 05:08:37 <CIA-46> openmoko:  -Rotated RP2201 to match OM schematics
Jun 22 05:08:37 <CIA-46> openmoko:  -Changed B2201 value to bead characteristics
Jun 22 05:08:38 <CIA-46> openmoko:  -added X to unconnected pins
Jun 22 05:08:40 <CIA-46> openmoko:  -Moved bypass caps to show placement constraints
Jun 22 05:36:21 <CIA-46> openmoko: 03rehar * r5188 10/trunk/gta02-core/audio.sch: work in progress (AUDIO)
Jun 22 07:33:10 <leila> Hi all. Is it normal behaviour that the gsm loses its fix
Jun 22 07:59:03 <d1b> hi there is it possible to put uboot back on if i put qi on my phone ?
Jun 22 08:02:54 <d1b> k cool wiki fixed that q
Jun 22 08:04:38 <Q-Master> d1b: there is no problem of doing this. just reflash
Jun 22 08:07:04 <d1b> k
Jun 22 08:10:52 <CIA-45> openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5189 10/trunk/gta02-core/pmu.sch: PMU - some small fixes
Jun 22 08:15:36 <CIA-45> openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5190 10/trunk/gta02-core/pmu.sch: PMU - some small fixes
Jun 22 08:43:03 <TeNoVi> Hi. I've mixed up some settings in Nor boot menu. I tried to apply this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Android_on_Freerunner#Modify_Uboot_as_Bootloader_for_more_than_2MB
Jun 22 08:43:17 <TeNoVi> Now I cannot flash the device. It's a Freerunner
Jun 22 08:44:58 <TeNoVi> Is there a way to restore NOR?
Jun 22 08:45:03 <methril|work> mornning
Jun 22 09:06:12 <PaulFertser> TeNoVi: hey
Jun 22 09:06:33 <TeNoVi> PaulFertser, Hi
Jun 22 09:06:35 <PaulFertser> TeNoVi: NOR boot menu is immutable. You can't change it in any way.
Jun 22 09:06:52 <PaulFertser> TeNoVi: it's hardcoded in u-boot binary that's factory flashed to NOR.
Jun 22 09:07:34 <TeNoVi> PaulFertser, hmm... But the settings I applyed? Is that my problem, or do you think there is something else?
Jun 22 09:08:42 <TeNoVi> PaulFertser, I've had some problems flashing, but I'm trying to flash a new image now. Maybe it will work this time
Jun 22 09:09:50 <PaulFertser> TeNoVi: you can't change NOR in any way if you don't use a debug board or other hardware hacks.
Jun 22 09:11:02 <TeNoVi> PaulFertser, Okay... Then I guess I just had a bad day. It seams okay so far in the flashing progress.
Jun 22 09:11:34 <PaulFertser> TeNoVi: i recommend you to read wiki carefully to understand NOR/NAND differences etc.
Jun 22 09:13:01 <TeNoVi> PaulFertser, Yes. I've red a bit about it. I didn't think it was possible to destroy the NOR flash without a debugboard, but since I couldn't boot or flash from NOR I got a bit scared
Jun 22 09:13:40 <PaulFertser> TeNoVi: how do you tell you can't boot from NOR?
Jun 22 09:15:47 <TeNoVi> PaulFertser, It started to load the flashed system (In my case Qtei and later Android) but failed and restarted, or just freezed. I guess it was the kernel. It loaded just fine with Qi
Jun 22 09:19:23 <PaulFertser> TeNoVi: i don't recommend booting with NOR at all. The reason for that is that NOR u-boot is old and contains some bugs.
Jun 22 09:23:25 <TeNoVi> PaulFertser, I see. I usualy only use NOR for booting when booting my second system
Jun 22 09:24:41 <PaulFertser> TeNoVi: Qi has an ability to multiboot too.
Jun 22 09:24:53 <PaulFertser> TeNoVi: you can skip a boot possibility by pressing AUX.
Jun 22 09:24:58 <TeNoVi> PaulFertser, I thought so, but I never got it to work
Jun 22 09:25:44 <PaulFertser> TeNoVi: you just need to press AUX at the right time. Experiment and you'll feel it (because Qi vibrates when it skips a boot possibility).
Jun 22 09:26:40 <TeNoVi> PaulFertser, Thanks.
Jun 22 09:28:03 <PaulFertser> TeNoVi: also keep in mind that Qi doesn't use any "environment", everything is hardcoded. NOR u-boot has its enviromnent hardcoded too.
Jun 22 09:28:27 <TeNoVi> PaulFertser, NOR is functional again now. I think... :P But I'll try to get used to multiboot with Qi
Jun 22 09:48:36 <leila> NOR read only bootloader, GOOD if you fudge up the NAND boot (that is where the normal bootloader is located ?), NAND kernel is where the kernel lives (with Qi kernel can also also be on the first fat or ext2 partition on the uSD), rootfs not sure if there is one on the NAND but as I understand the wiki there has to be (debian moved to nand for example) but is usually located on the uSD
Jun 22 09:48:47 <leila> PaulFertser: did I get it more or less ?
Jun 22 09:50:15 <lindi-> leila: with u-boot kernel can be on SD too
Jun 22 09:50:45 <lindi-> leila: most distros have their rootfs on NAND
Jun 22 09:50:54 <lindi-> leila: debian is one of the exceptions that use SD usually
Jun 22 09:51:35 <PaulFertser> lindi-: Qi can't read FAT
Jun 22 09:51:54 <PaulFertser> leila: Qi uses the same partition it read kernel from as a root partition.
Jun 22 09:53:02 <lindi-> PaulFertser: but not with NAND? since it surely does not know how to read jffs2 which is the rootfs type there usually
Jun 22 09:53:56 <PaulFertser> lindi-: yes, not with nand. If it read the kernel from nand kernel partition it passes nand rootfs partition as kernel parameter.
Jun 22 09:54:43 <lindi-> and i you want to repartition NAND you need to modify Qi sources probably?
Jun 22 09:55:15 <PaulFertser> lindi-: yes 
Jun 22 09:55:31 <PaulFertser> lindi-: Qi is SD-centric. For SD rootfs it works good and predictable.
Jun 22 09:56:54 <lindi-> PaulFertser: but what if you want to still repartition flash as a data partition?
Jun 22 09:57:11 <PaulFertser> lindi-: append-GTA02 should work for that, i guess.
Jun 22 09:57:28 <lindi-> PaulFertser: but doesn't Qi read the factory partition from fixed location on bootup?
Jun 22 09:57:41 <lindi-> (maybe it knows how to fail with that though)
Jun 22 09:58:50 <PaulFertser> lindi-: hm, i've already started to think that factory partition reading should be removed for consistency.
Jun 22 10:04:27 <uzytkownik> Does OM 2009 expects /media/card to be fat or ext?
Jun 22 10:04:46 <ndnihil> it goes both ways I think
Jun 22 10:05:49 <Q-Master> PaulFertser: what about ethernet MAC's then? IMO they're stored on a factory partition...
Jun 22 10:06:06 <dos1> Q-Master: distro can set it (as SHR is doing)
Jun 22 10:06:23 <lindi-> PaulFertser: definitely
Jun 22 10:06:38 <uzytkownik> ndnihil: Which one is more suitable for sd?
Jun 22 10:06:55 <dos1> uzytkownik: jasne, ze ext3 :P
Jun 22 10:06:59 <Q-Master> dos1: hm. so why then qi is trying to send it to kernel as params?
Jun 22 10:07:42 <dos1> Q-Master: cause when it was writen, there was no distro which set it itself?
Jun 22 10:07:53 <Q-Master> heh
Jun 22 10:08:05 <dos1> and maybe it's for g_ether compiled in kernel
Jun 22 10:08:08 <dos1> but i'm not sure
Jun 22 10:08:11 <uzytkownik> dos1: Ok. While I'm waiting for 2.6.30 with nil2 I'm going to use ext3.
Jun 22 10:08:20 <ndnihil> I use ext2 on mine
Jun 22 10:08:35 <dos1> i use ext3 for rootfs on sd
Jun 22 10:08:54 <dos1> ext3 is better for sd card than ext2 (less risk for data corruption)
Jun 22 10:09:44 <ndnihil> I'm not using it for anything major, just holding files between flashes most of the time, and I keep it all rsync'd to the workstation on top fo that
Jun 22 10:09:47 <PaulFertser> Q-Master: lindi- i think that any sane distro should compile g_ether as a module anyway.
Jun 22 10:10:27 * ndnihil gets antsy, only 6 more minutes
Jun 22 10:11:13 <PaulFertser> And in that case initscripts can read the fartory partition by themselves.
Jun 22 10:17:15 <Q-Master> PaulFertser: agreed
Jun 22 10:30:27 <leila> How stable is the SHR os ?
Jun 22 10:31:23 <max_posedon> stable enough to use it with neo as every day phone
Jun 22 10:31:30 <max_posedon> but few bugs presents
Jun 22 10:48:39 <leila> ok I shall try to flash it in this evening
Jun 22 11:17:13 <leila> SHR addressbook is still unavailable ?
Jun 22 11:48:49 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03werner * r5191 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ (STATUS ecn0003.txt ecn0004.txt ecn0005.txt): 
Jun 22 11:48:49 <CIA-47> openmoko: Three new ECNs:
Jun 22 11:48:49 <CIA-47> openmoko: 0003 Remove SHUTDOWN net and connect PMU.SHUTDOWN directly to GND
Jun 22 11:48:49 <CIA-47> openmoko: 0004 Remove R1767 and R1768 and connect all PMU.EXTONx to R1766
Jun 22 11:48:49 <CIA-47> openmoko: 0005 Simplify/remove BAT_ID/BATTEMP circuit (R1769)
Jun 22 11:59:41 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03werner * r5192 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ (STATUS ecn0006.txt): 
Jun 22 11:59:41 <CIA-47> openmoko: One more ECN:
Jun 22 11:59:41 <CIA-47> openmoko: 0006 Either remove or populate R1701 (PMU.ADAPTSNS pull-down)
Jun 22 12:45:06 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03werner * r5193 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ (STATUS ecn0003.txt ecn0005.txt ecn0006.txt ecn0007.txt): 
Jun 22 12:45:06 <CIA-47> openmoko: Completed ECNs 0003, 0005, and 0006. Added ECN0007:
Jun 22 12:45:06 <CIA-47> openmoko: 0007 Remove KEEPACT net and connect PMU.KEEPACT directly to IO_3V3
Jun 22 12:48:36 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03werner * r5194 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ (STATUS ecn0008.txt): 
Jun 22 12:48:36 <CIA-47> openmoko: One more ECN:
Jun 22 12:48:36 <CIA-47> openmoko: 0008 Remove external GPS antenna connector and circuit (CON7602)
Jun 22 13:27:25 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03werner * r5195 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ (12 files): (log message trimmed)
Jun 22 13:27:25 <CIA-47> openmoko: Renamed state "Editing" to "Edit". Described ECN states in README.
Jun 22 13:27:25 <CIA-47> openmoko: Completed ECN 0004. Added ECNs 0009 to 0015:
Jun 22 13:27:25 <CIA-47> openmoko: 0009 Remove LED transistors (Q1501 and Q1502)
Jun 22 13:27:26 <CIA-47> openmoko: 0010 Remove audio amplifier (U4101)
Jun 22 13:27:28 <CIA-47> openmoko: 0011 Reduce number of varistors on USB_VBUS (C4902, C4909)
Jun 22 13:27:30 <CIA-47> openmoko: 0012 Add fuse to USB_VBUS
Jun 22 14:01:13 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03werner * r5196 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ (STATUS ecn0016.txt ecn0017.txt): 
Jun 22 14:01:13 <CIA-47> openmoko: Added two more ECNs:
Jun 22 14:01:13 <CIA-47> openmoko: 0016 Remove upper acceleration sensor (U7801)
Jun 22 14:01:13 <CIA-47> openmoko: 0017 Move Bluetooth module (U2) to main PCB
Jun 22 14:24:45 <novalis_dt> I'm trying to keep my moko connected via GPRS at all times.  I've written a little script that tries to connect to a server periodically, and if it fails, uses dbus to bring down and then up GPRS.  I started it up and stayed connected for a while, then got on a subway, where I of course lost my signal.  When I got back above ground, I did not reconnect.  The error I got was NoChannel.  Ultimately, I had to reboot the phone to get GPR
Jun 22 14:24:45 <novalis_dt> S back.  (a) am I doing the right thing to try to stay online?  (b) is there some way to forcibly reclaim channels?
Jun 22 14:25:57 <rhaeder> hi ho. updated to recent om2009-paroli changes, cellhunter is working again, good job!
Jun 22 14:26:27 <rhaeder> one more question: i use TangoGPS, what does 11/0/0.0 mean in the lower right corner?
Jun 22 14:26:41 <rhaeder> 0.0 is precision
Jun 22 14:27:01 <lindi-> novalis_dt: you can restart ogsmd and power cycle calypso :)
Jun 22 14:27:09 * mjr doesn't really have any constructive ideas on that, except to note that subway does not necessarily equal no mobile signal ;]
Jun 22 14:28:09 <lindi-> novalis_dt: also it takes a while for calypso to disconnect gprs properly, maybe it was in the middle of that
Jun 22 14:30:20 <Blu3> novalis, i've found that when gprs dies unexpectedly, the old channel hangs around and thusly you can't start a new connection
Jun 22 14:30:31 <Blu3> it'll return no channel
Jun 22 14:30:43 <novalis_dt> lindi-, is there a way I can find out what step of the disconnection process it's in?
Jun 22 14:30:45 <Blu3> i've not found a way to easily/cleanly reclaim the channel
Jun 22 14:30:53 <novalis_dt> So that I can know for sure when I'm fully disconnected?
Jun 22 14:32:10 <novalis_dt> I was giving it five seconds between disconnect and reconnect .
Jun 22 14:33:31 <novalis_dt> I also don't seem to be running ogsmd -- I'm using SHR.  Is that part of frameworkd now, or ?
Jun 22 14:41:22 <leila> bye all
Jun 22 14:42:00 <gfather1> hay guys 
Jun 22 14:42:08 <gfather1> is flash supported in shr ? 
Jun 22 14:42:45 <gfather1> what i mean , does it have a browser with flash support  ? 
Jun 22 15:07:25 <DocScrutinizer> novalis_dt: use fso-abyss instead of gsm07muxer. muxer has some flowcontrol issues
Jun 22 15:09:06 <DocScrutinizer> novalis_dt: if you lose gprs in subway, it should reconnect automatically when gsm coverage is back
Jun 22 15:09:24 <PaulFertser> gfather1: Hey, cool to see you here again man :D
Jun 22 15:10:44 <DocScrutinizer> novalis_dt: if you try to disconnect without gsm coverage, this probably will fail due to muxer spamming modem with packets to send while gprs can't process them
Jun 22 15:11:08 <DocScrutinizer> novalis_dt: thus -> use abyss
Jun 22 15:12:29 <novalis_dt> DocScrutinizer, thanks.  Can I just opkg install it, or ?
Jun 22 15:13:18 <DocScrutinizer> novalis_dt: PaulFertser mentioned a few pppd settings some hours ago, to send icmp packets automatically to check gprs alive
Jun 22 15:13:31 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: not icmp, LCP
Jun 22 15:13:49 <DocScrutinizer> aaah sorry, yes LCP
Jun 22 15:13:54 <PaulFertser> :)
Jun 22 15:14:16 * novalis_dt searches his logs
Jun 22 15:14:38 <DocScrutinizer> opkg install fso-abyss
Jun 22 15:14:39 <DocScrutinizer> sed -i.orig -e 's/_type gsm0710muxd/ fso-abyss/' /etc/frameworkd.conf
Jun 22 15:15:44 <max_posedon> DocScrutinizer, might not work, right now frameworkd.conf may be without _type
Jun 22 15:23:53 <novalis_dt> DocScrutinizer,  I'm running shr testing, and I don't see fso-abyss.  Should I be running unstable, or edit my sources list, or ?
Jun 22 15:25:29 <gfather1> PaulFertser hay man :) 
Jun 22 15:25:47 <gfather1> PaulFertser how things going , yah iv been away for some time 
Jun 22 15:27:05 <max_posedon> novalis_dt, fso-abyss in shr-unstable
Jun 22 15:27:11 <max_posedon> and I suggest shr-unstable
Jun 22 15:27:40 <novalis_dt> max_posedon, should I just edit my source list and opkg upgrade like I would with Debian, or should I flash a new image?
Jun 22 15:28:01 <max_posedon> flash new
Jun 22 15:28:29 <max_posedon> I don't want helps you with all bugs connected with switching from one feed to another.
Jun 22 15:28:46 <novalis_dt> sure, I can do that.
Jun 22 15:29:27 <ajvogel> max_posedon, do u suggest shr-unstable over shr-testing? (I am running testing)
Jun 22 15:29:40 <novalis_dt> this one?  http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/openmoko-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20090509-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz 
Jun 22 15:30:36 <max_posedon> ajvogel, yes, always
Jun 22 15:30:55 <max_posedon> novalis_dt, , that is little bit too old
Jun 22 15:31:46 <max_posedon> novalis_dt, look at calendar and find more recent)
Jun 22 15:33:04 <novalis_dt> ah, I need one of the shr-shr-image ones.
Jun 22 15:57:54 <tig|1> hi all,  has anyone had their freerunner buzzfixed by Golden Delicious?   if so how long did it take?
Jun 22 16:30:24 <Weiss> PaulFertser: you were asking about distributed computing projects to donate to. how about OpenStreetMap's tiles@home?
Jun 22 16:33:09 <nullix> in some of my strange idea about what could be a cool handheld device with a touch screen...
Jun 22 16:33:40 <nullix> after the multi-touch screen
Jun 22 16:33:56 <nullix> the touch over multiple screens.
Jun 22 16:34:18 <nullix> you just put your two device one along the other
Jun 22 16:35:10 <Blu3> surely there's gotta be a nifty way to do MT on the current FR
Jun 22 16:35:30 <nullix> and you drag one icon from one device to the other just by letting your finger go from the right of one screen to the left of the other
Jun 22 16:36:17 <Blu3> if you add momentum to finger slides, you don't necessarily need to.  just push the icon quickly to the edge and let go
Jun 22 16:36:41 <Blu3> have you played around with x2x?
Jun 22 16:36:42 <nullix> overall idea is to federate screens
Jun 22 16:37:28 <nullix> if you have 16 devices you just create a 4x4 touch screen, with somehow 16 processors...
Jun 22 16:37:49 <techiem2-r> lol Neo Cluster
Jun 22 16:37:56 <Blu3> =]
Jun 22 16:39:35 <nullix> during my dream i have other strange ideas
Jun 22 16:39:52 <nullix> like the grid connector
Jun 22 16:40:22 <novalis_dt> It appears that shr-testing has a python gps library as python-pygps, but this is not in unstable.  Is there a replacement, or ?
Jun 22 16:40:41 <nullix> each back side of device has a metal grid
Jun 22 16:41:37 <nullix> when put put two grids one over the other, they exchange data
Jun 22 16:42:18 <nullix> unline standard connectors any cell of grid can be in contact with another, there is a discovery protocl to affect interconnections to a dedicated purpose
Jun 22 16:42:56 <nullix> there is no need to put girds really front to front, just if somes cells are connected it is enough
Jun 22 16:43:08 <novalis_dt> nullix, why not just use bluetooth?
Jun 22 16:43:53 <nullix> physical connection don't happen by chance
Jun 22 16:44:21 <nullix> with bluetooth you need to confirm you want to conenct to something
Jun 22 16:44:42 <nullix> and with cells you can raison the bandwitdth a lot
Jun 22 16:44:58 <lindi-> nullix: why not just use usb?
Jun 22 16:45:02 <nullix> the smaller the cell is the higher the
Jun 22 16:45:18 <nullix> usb is a start
Jun 22 16:46:05 <nullix> idea is by example to divide by two the size of cell at each new upgrade version, then older can discuss with newer just by connecting to 4 cells instead of just one
Jun 22 16:47:24 <nullix> and with a high number of cell you can connect very high speed devices, really near , like a processor, a video hardware...
Jun 22 16:47:41 <nullix> at one time i wake up
Jun 22 16:51:02 <nullix> the smaller device has size of key of a keyboard, when you put all together you get one keyboard :-)
Jun 22 16:51:30 <nullix> an universal one.
Jun 22 16:52:28 <max_posedon> but when you touch any device/move one for a 2-3 mm, you have many problems.
Jun 22 16:52:51 <nullix> why do we loose the idea that getting multiple time the same kind of device is for replacement, and can't be just for addition ( like legos ) this change many things
Jun 22 16:53:38 <max_posedon> I still think mini-usb can do kinda same stuff
Jun 22 16:53:56 <nullix> it could be a starting point
Jun 22 16:54:25 <max_posedon> keyboards/networks/serials/storages/etc/etc
Jun 22 16:54:33 <max_posedon> works right now.
Jun 22 16:55:21 <nullix> reversability of usage is often missing
Jun 22 16:55:57 <nullix> like using the screen of a laptop just like a screen, ( ie with an input dvi )
Jun 22 16:56:15 <nullix> or using its keyboard within swithing it fully on
Jun 22 16:56:21 <nullix> switching
Jun 22 16:56:31 <nullix> anyway, i have to go 
Jun 22 16:56:36 <nullix> was a brain dump
Jun 22 16:56:54 <nullix> bye
Jun 22 17:02:08 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03werner * r5197 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ (8 files): (log message trimmed)
Jun 22 17:02:08 <CIA-47> openmoko: Renamed ambiguous state "Review" to "Discuss".
Jun 22 17:02:08 <CIA-47> openmoko: More new ECNs:
Jun 22 17:02:08 <CIA-47> openmoko: 0018 Add beads/filters to audio signals leaving/entering can
Jun 22 17:02:08 <CIA-47> openmoko: 0019 Consider applying buzz fix
Jun 22 17:02:09 <CIA-47> openmoko: 0020 No common mode choke on stereo signals (B4102)
Jun 22 17:02:13 <CIA-47> openmoko: 0021 Use EMI-hardened microphone (MC4301)
Jun 22 17:04:17 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rb90c30724e2f 10/fsousaged/src/plugins/controller/plugin.vala: 
Jun 22 17:04:17 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: fsousaged: fix resource policy handling; since we can't use the
Jun 22 17:04:17 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: enumeration code in here, it always transferred 0 instead of the
Jun 22 17:04:17 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: real value :/
Jun 22 17:04:37 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r43f742d77256 10/tests/ (org.fresmartphone.Usage.py testserver.py): tests: start w/ dbus unit tests
Jun 22 17:27:01 <PaulFertser> Weiss: that seems to be a good idea, thanks a lot!
Jun 22 18:10:09 * [Rui] waves
Jun 22 18:41:59 <UndrWater> anyone awake using shr-unstable?
Jun 22 18:42:11 <ndnihil> I'm using a fairly recent shr-unstable
Jun 22 18:43:00 <UndrWater> ndnihil: are you using it as a phone?
Jun 22 18:43:06 <ndnihil> yup
Jun 22 18:43:25 <ndnihil> had it out in the wild today in fact
Jun 22 18:44:02 <UndrWater> pretty nice so far for me...but i noticed i can't look through or select any contacts...are you having similar behavior?
Jun 22 18:44:21 <ndnihil> dunno, haven't put my contacts back on there yet :)
Jun 22 18:44:44 <ndnihil> I wiped the sim a few weeks back testing something, and haven't bothered reloading things
Jun 22 18:45:09 <ndnihil> it's usually an inbound call phone though (work line)
Jun 22 18:45:12 <UndrWater> ahh...for a weekend it wasn't a problem...but it will become a pain soon
Jun 22 18:45:24 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03rehar * r5198 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ecn0010.txt: started ecn removing audio amplifier
Jun 22 18:45:55 <ndnihil> and I carry a moto w755 as well, so I haven't really had an urgent need to stick numbers back on the fr
Jun 22 18:45:55 <UndrWater> how's your headset volume?
Jun 22 18:46:09 <ndnihil> I don't use the headset, it doesnt fit my ears
Jun 22 18:46:16 <ndnihil> just wont stay
Jun 22 18:49:01 <UndrWater> sorry...mean the volume of the handset itself...moko 
Jun 22 18:53:59 <ndnihil> haven't had any problems
Jun 22 18:54:14 <ndnihil> and I sit in a pretty noisy room
Jun 22 18:54:27 <ndnihil> I would like to see a proper volume control though
Jun 22 18:55:29 <PaulFertser> Guys, different revisions have different volume because of hardware differences. And it's impossible to tell which one has that extra cap in the earpiece path and which one doesn't.
Jun 22 18:56:35 <ndnihil> can't tell by opening it and looking?
Jun 22 18:57:25 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: hm, let me see.
Jun 22 18:57:31 <ndnihil> either way, a volume slider/knob would be a good thing
Jun 22 18:58:00 <ndnihil> I tried the one for the toolbar, but it did nothing
Jun 22 18:58:02 <UndrWater> i'm using a 3rd party one...haven't tested it too much
Jun 22 18:58:35 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: r3004/r3005 on some models are 1uF caps iirc
Jun 22 18:58:37 <ndnihil> actually, I'm not sure I've tried that on this flash
Jun 22 18:58:40 <UndrWater> pymixer
Jun 22 18:59:02 <ndnihil> PaulFertser: is it the buzzfix cap?
Jun 22 18:59:09 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: no
Jun 22 18:59:22 <ndnihil> where would it be located?
Jun 22 18:59:56 <UndrWater> PaulFertser: can you explain a little more what "different volume" means? or point to some documentation?
Jun 22 19:01:13 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: under the can, near left lower side of U3001
Jun 22 19:01:39 <PaulFertser> UndrWater: one models have 1uF caps in series with the earpiece and other have 0R there.
Jun 22 19:02:27 <ndnihil> thanks, I'll check it out in the morning
Jun 22 19:03:30 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: but nobody really knows when they come and when they go. I have v6 and i seem to not have it (because the volume with A7 state file is really unbearable high).
Jun 22 19:03:53 <ndnihil> how do you tell what version you have?
Jun 22 19:04:07 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: cat /proc/cpuinfo also it's written on the pcb.
Jun 22 19:04:21 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: have you already dismounted the can at least once?
Jun 22 19:04:27 <ndnihil> nope
Jun 22 19:04:53 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: i suggest you refer to instructions at GTA02_bass_fix then. Be careful.
Jun 22 19:05:08 <ndnihil> will do
Jun 22 19:05:17 <ndnihil> can't be much worse than taking apart any other phone
Jun 22 19:05:28 <ndnihil> motorolas can be quite a delicate pain in the ass
Jun 22 19:05:40 <ndnihil> particularly with the new style keypads
Jun 22 19:05:50 <ndnihil> that shit bends way too easily
Jun 22 19:06:42 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: cans in nokia phones can be dismounted more easily. With FR you need more patience.
Jun 22 19:12:25 <UndrWater> PaulFertser: are you saying that with some of the revisions volume can't be changed, is too high / low, or it's just different?
Jun 22 19:12:52 <PaulFertser> UndrWater: just different so you need to tweak alsa controls to your liking yourself.
Jun 22 19:13:04 <UndrWater> got it
Jun 22 19:13:31 <UndrWater> is there a standard name for the headset speaker?
Jun 22 19:13:32 <PaulFertser> UndrWater: have you seen the pretty routing diagram?
Jun 22 19:13:43 <UndrWater> no
Jun 22 19:14:10 <PaulFertser> UndrWater: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem
Jun 22 19:14:55 <UndrWater> aha..very pretty
Jun 22 19:15:09 <ndnihil> same as the gta02?
Jun 22 19:16:11 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: it's actually for the gta02
Jun 22 19:16:37 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: gta01 alsa driver is kind of different. The "pretty" diagram with alsa control names is for gta02.
Jun 22 19:18:18 <UndrWater> that's great...very helpful
Jun 22 19:18:24 <UndrWater> thank you
Jun 22 19:20:55 <PaulFertser> UndrWater: you're welcome
Jun 22 19:24:42 <[Rui]> how does one close a window in Elementary? Not the main window, just another one...?
Jun 22 19:24:44 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5199 10/trunk/gta02-core/gps.sch: GPS work in progress
Jun 22 19:29:31 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03werner * r5200 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ (STATUS ecn0009.txt): Completed ECN0009.
Jun 22 19:34:33 <ndnihil> Revision        : 24420360
Jun 22 19:34:43 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: that's v6
Jun 22 19:34:46 <ndnihil> I don't suppose there is a wiki page regarding the translation of revision?
Jun 22 19:34:48 <ndnihil> ah
Jun 22 19:35:09 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: 2442 is the SoC name (same for all gta02s), 0306 means gta02v6
Jun 22 19:35:58 <ndnihil> gotcha
Jun 22 19:35:59 <ndnihil> thanks
Jun 22 19:36:44 <ndnihil> so 03 is the third version? prototype, gta01, gta02?
Jun 22 19:36:49 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: my v6 probably has 0R there (but i forgot to actually check when it was easy to do during bass fix). But some devices, probably including v5 and v7 have 1uF there. Even OM employees are unable to tell.
Jun 22 19:37:08 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: (03) no idea
Jun 22 19:39:22 <ndnihil> I did notice an afterthought of a resistor(?) on the uSD pins
Jun 22 19:40:04 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: it's a cap
Jun 22 19:40:41 <ndnihil> ah
Jun 22 19:40:51 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: to avoid interference from SD communication on GPS reception. 
Jun 22 19:42:01 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: unfortunately, it's not enough because data lines are the same as clock and can harm too. OTOH kernel allows to tune drive strength, so GPS can work well even when uSD is actively used.
Jun 22 19:42:29 <ndnihil> any way to speed up gps fix?
Jun 22 19:42:36 <lindi-> ndnihil: agps
Jun 22 19:42:44 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: but not yet supported in FSO.
Jun 22 19:42:46 <lindi-> ndnihil: external gps antenna. climb to a mountain
Jun 22 19:43:08 <ndnihil> to be honest, I'm surprised it works at all in here
Jun 22 19:43:20 <ndnihil> this house is built with wire mesh and plaster
Jun 22 19:43:25 <ndnihil> it's a large farraday cage
Jun 22 19:43:28 <lindi-> :)
Jun 22 19:43:53 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: or you can get a fix in advance (but not more than 2-4 hours before), turn gps off, then the fix will be as fast as with agps.
Jun 22 19:44:09 <PaulFertser> (almost)
Jun 22 19:44:57 <mjr> so the chip/the scripts actually store the ephemeris data from the last time?
Jun 22 19:45:08 <PaulFertser> mjr: FSO does that, yes
Jun 22 19:45:22 <mjr> oo
Jun 22 19:49:45 <lindi-> mjr: you can also get them from internet
Jun 22 19:49:57 <mjr> yeah I know
Jun 22 19:50:20 <mjr> but minimizing unnecessary reliance on that is nice
Jun 22 19:50:34 <lindi-> yes
Jun 22 19:50:48 <lindi-> there using gsm cell database to estimate current position helps
Jun 22 21:01:27 <novalis_dt> Python packaging in shr is kind of fucked up.  python-email depends on python-audio (?!!!)
Jun 22 22:17:58 <PaulFertser> novalis_dt: you know where the shr bugtracker is at, don't you?
Jun 22 23:03:59 <tclarke2> I've got a question about opkg, is this the right forum?
Jun 22 23:04:15 <tclarke2> I'm wondering if there's some docs on opkg.conf
Jun 22 23:09:47 <PaulFertser> tclarke2: i think you can mostly use ipkg docs as a reference.
Jun 22 23:10:53 <tclarke2> ok, I'll see if that yields anything...a quick google shows a page in "Building a Custom Distribution" re: ipkg.conf...prob has enough info for what I need
Jun 22 23:10:54 <tclarke2> thanks
Jun 23 01:12:26 * fredrin one should add fan-boys section to the who'swho wiki page
Jun 23 01:35:36 <Blu3> heheheh
Jun 23 02:35:58 <slaxxer> superdave
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