**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 23 02:59:57 2009
Jun 23 03:49:58 <Q-Master> morning
Jun 23 07:20:43 <slaxxer> wassa
Jun 23 08:49:04 <PeterJ5> can someone give me a hint on how to use the enlightenment waker tools?
Jun 23 09:49:31 <leila> Hi all
Jun 23 09:49:57 <dns53> hey
Jun 23 09:50:00 <SpeedEvil> hi
Jun 23 09:50:02 <leila> Zhone is crashing on me (removing sms, missed phonecall) is this normal ?
Jun 23 09:50:59 <PaulFertser> leila: no
Jun 23 09:51:06 <PaulFertser> leila: any tracebacks?
Jun 23 09:51:27 <leila> I could try to generate some when I am back home
Jun 23 09:51:54 <leila> Seems that calling nodm restart inside lxde is also not realy working ~_~
Jun 23 09:52:41 <PaulFertser> leila: yeah, i think you need to do it inside "screen" or nohup because it loses the controlling terminal and stops.
Jun 23 09:54:12 <leila> meaning I have now a phone waiting on a login ~_~
Jun 23 09:54:25 <leila> also not responding to the power button
Jun 23 09:55:10 <PaulFertser> leila: yep, the only way is to connect via ssh or reboot. If you hold power button for ~10sec, it should turn off.
Jun 23 09:56:20 <leila> unforts not, am I missing an init.d script ?
Jun 23 09:56:35 <leila> only solution left to reboot it here seems to be to remove the battery
Jun 23 09:57:42 <PaulFertser> leila: are you using a recent kernel? Because this feature was absent for some time but now it seems to work. Anyway removing battery is equivalent.
Jun 23 09:58:15 <leila> PaulFertser: I installed it with the install script 2 days ago, I assumed that would get me te lastest version and such (installed debian)
Jun 23 09:58:25 <PaulFertser> leila: i had to do that several times myself for exactly the same reason (attempt to nodm restart from an X terminal) :D
Jun 23 09:58:46 <PaulFertser> leila: i'm afraid debian version is outdated but i'm not sure.
Jun 23 09:59:21 <leila> I shall type the command to get kernel info as soon as it is booted and I remember what the command was
Jun 23 09:59:38 <PaulFertser> leila: what for?
Jun 23 09:59:47 <leila> to see the kernel version ;)
Jun 23 10:00:07 <vegyraupe> PaulFertser: jsut a quick note, paroli does not store messages on the SIM but on the phone and always has
Jun 23 10:00:56 <PaulFertser> vegyraupe: ah, ok. Sorry for misinformating rhkfin then.
Jun 23 10:01:24 <rhkfin> ah, ok, this is where you both ( PaulFertser and vegyraupe ) are.. 
Jun 23 10:01:32 <vegyraupe> PaulFertser: no problem, I don't regard it as common knowledge, just thought I'd let you know ;)
Jun 23 10:03:53 <PaulFertser> vegyraupe: does that mean that paroli has always used that mode of receiving messages that always avoids storing on SIM?
Jun 23 10:04:24 <vegyraupe> PaulFertser: no unfortunatelly not because it was (maybe still is) not functioning properly
Jun 23 10:04:33 <vegyraupe> so we receive the message, copy it and then delete
Jun 23 10:05:19 <PaulFertser> vegyraupe: i see. I think that bug was already fixed (dos1 knows more about it).
Jun 23 10:06:24 <vegyraupe> PaulFertser: yeah we were told it was, but ... yeah ... I am not a very trusty person in that regards
Jun 23 10:06:26 <vegyraupe> -s
Jun 23 10:07:56 <leila> PaulFertser: 2.6.28-20090105
Jun 23 10:08:36 <PaulFertser> leila: i don't even understand what date it is.
Jun 23 10:08:37 <leila> that kernel is newer than that I have on the desktop ;)
Jun 23 10:08:53 <rhkfin> Anyone know some dbus magick to easily check the # of SMS's on SIM?
Jun 23 10:09:28 <PaulFertser> leila: if you take a look at git log you'll see that the development is still ongoing here, so you need to use the latest kernel version to get all the fixes/features/bugs ;)
Jun 23 10:10:31 <leila> PaulFertser: as in check out with git and compile it myself ?
Jun 23 10:11:32 <PaulFertser> leila: i think you can use compiled version from downloads.openmoko.org experimental (daily builds)
Jun 23 10:18:03 <leila> PaulFertser: http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/experimental/NeoFreerunner/ >
Jun 23 10:18:06 <leila> ?
Jun 23 10:18:20 <PaulFertser> leila: yes
Jun 23 10:21:12 <leila> Ok I shall try to use that one
Jun 23 10:23:40 <PaulFertser> leila: please take into account that i use git HEAD because i want to be able to hunt bugs and it usually makes sense to use the latest version to not spend time on the bugs already fixed. So probably my advice is not very good for an end-user. OTOH i use the latest kernel and don't see any problems on gta02 (except for that wifi bug).
Jun 23 10:26:26 <diogo> hi everyone, I need a help, how do I install openmoko on a HTC Wizard, I have no U-boot and your site gives instructions for the neo mobile only
Jun 23 10:26:44 <PaulFertser> diogo: do you have a good kernel for your device?
Jun 23 10:28:15 <diogo> no I have nothing... that's the case, I got a kernel and a rootfs from open-nandra which allegate that it works on HTC Wizard, but when I boot it it gives error -110, aka I/O error, with the attempt to mount the root of the SD Card partition and freezes with no root mounted
Jun 23 10:28:27 <diogo> so how do I get a kernel for it?
Jun 23 10:29:03 <PaulFertser> diogo: no idea. And anyway if you plan to use FSO on top of it you'll have to do some work to make it compatible (that is appreciated).
Jun 23 10:31:05 <SpeedEvil> The only 'supported' devices at this time are the two openmoko devices unfortunately.
Jun 23 10:31:16 <SpeedEvil> Anything else - you're pretty much entirely on your own.
Jun 23 10:31:46 <PaulFertser> SpeedEvil: not exactly, the FSO developers are actively helping with porting efforts.
Jun 23 10:33:03 <SpeedEvil> yes - to an extent - I mean - sure they'll help - but there are no other phones that it works on - though they might desire that.
Jun 23 10:40:28 <diogo> I'll try linwizard since its supposed to be a Linux for HTC Wizard... thx for the comments
Jun 23 10:41:52 <trigger> is SHR unstable or oemerge recommended?
Jun 23 10:50:17 <trigger> I thought it was oemerge, but I can't find it
Jun 23 10:50:59 <leila> PaulFertser: could you link me your .xsession ?
Jun 23 10:51:39 <PaulFertser> leila: but don't blame me if you don't like it! ;) http://paste.debian.net/39981/
Jun 23 10:53:49 <leila> ;)
Jun 23 10:55:20 <leila> hmm I did not get e17 to work well
Jun 23 10:57:22 <PaulFertser> leila: what doesn't work for you?
Jun 23 10:58:12 <Psi_> is there a reason why 320x240 mode isnt available on gta01 in shr
Jun 23 10:59:11 <leila> PaulFertser: not sure, but it did not respond very well, shorthly after I reinstalled everything
Jun 23 10:59:38 <leila> using "zhone & startlxde" at the moment
Jun 23 11:00:02 <PaulFertser> leila: probably you're right, for me E doesn't work very fast too :)
Jun 23 11:00:19 <PaulFertser> Psi_: have you tried the magic echo command?
Jun 23 11:02:15 <Psi_> this one? "chvt 4 && echo qvga-normal > /sys/devices/platform/s3c24xx-spi-gpio.1/spi0.0/state && fbset qvga
Jun 23 11:03:12 <PaulFertser> Psi_: you need to check that you really run X server on vt4 and that the sysfs path is correct (it might have changed in new kernel versions).
Jun 23 11:03:24 <Psi_> yeah, it has
Jun 23 11:04:08 <Psi_> what is this chvt thing?
Jun 23 11:04:44 <Psi_> ah, i see 
Jun 23 11:04:47 <PaulFertser> Psi_: change to the virtual terminal. Like when you press M-F1/F2 etc on desktop.
Jun 23 11:04:52 <Psi_> yeah
Jun 23 11:05:50 <Psi_> my xinit line has  vt1 in it, does that mean its chvt 1 ?
Jun 23 11:06:17 <PaulFertser> Psi_: probably you should avoid chvt and fbset altogether and use xrandr instead.
Jun 23 11:06:45 <Psi_> yep, that was my origional question, xrandr has never supported 320x240 on gta01 that i know of
Jun 23 11:06:52 <PaulFertser> Psi_: and if you want to get VGA back, you'll need to "echo normal > .."
Jun 23 11:09:05 <PaulFertser> Psi_: so, what part of that trick fails?
Jun 23 11:09:11 <Psi_> just trying it now
Jun 23 11:10:56 <Psi_> the line changed the display
Jun 23 11:11:04 <PaulFertser> Psi_: it should
Jun 23 11:11:09 <Psi_> didnt look like 320x240 tho
Jun 23 11:11:17 <PaulFertser> Psi_: even after fbset?
Jun 23 11:11:43 <Psi_> yep
Jun 23 11:12:05 <Psi_> ill try it when the screen rotated
Jun 23 11:12:37 <Psi_> i only get 1 or 2 of the main icons on the screen
Jun 23 11:12:58 <Psi_> and the contrast/brightness is all wrong
Jun 23 11:13:53 <Psi_> yeah, the lines are all distorted, its not switching correctly
Jun 23 11:15:54 <PaulFertser> Psi_: does the echo command has any effect?
Jun 23 11:16:04 <PaulFertser> has/have
Jun 23 11:16:43 <Psi_> i was running the entire command "chvt 1 && echo qvga-normal > /sys/devices/platform/spi_s3c24xx_gpio.1/spi0.0/state && fbset qvga"
Jun 23 11:16:53 <Psi_> ya want me to run it one by one
Jun 23 11:17:06 <PaulFertser> Psi_: i'd do it that way, yes
Jun 23 11:18:07 <Psi_> ok, the echo command is what is switching the mode
Jun 23 11:18:17 <Psi_> fbset qvga doesnt do anything to the screen
Jun 23 11:18:48 <PaulFertser> Psi_: so take care to make fbset work. The echo command switches the LCM mode but you also need to output proper data to it.
Jun 23 11:20:10 <PaulFertser> Psi_: also it might be easier to try without X first.
Jun 23 11:21:41 <Psi_> this is what it looks like http://psi.abcom.co.nz/qvga.jpg
Jun 23 11:22:22 <leila> Random question: has there been made any effort to integrate phone functions with audio / video playback. Thus when a call is incoming the audio / vid playback would pause and a answer phone popup would emerge
Jun 23 11:22:41 <leila> Sorry for the bad grammer
Jun 23 11:23:09 <PaulFertser> Psi_: well, you'll need to investigate why fbset does nothing.
Jun 23 11:23:34 <Psi_> is it supposed to correct what im getting on the screen?
Jun 23 11:23:53 <PaulFertser> Psi_: The echo command switches the LCM mode but you also need to output proper data to it.
Jun 23 11:25:23 <PaulFertser> (it==LCM)
Jun 23 11:25:28 <Psi_> yep
Jun 23 11:27:20 <Psi_> fbset thinks its doing what its told, if i just type fbset it shows the mode its in
Jun 23 11:27:55 <Psi_> and its correct, after fbset qvga id shows 240x320 and different timing values to 480x640
Jun 23 11:28:16 <Psi_> well, i guess some of the values could be wrong, but it seems more likely its something else thats the problem
Jun 23 11:28:32 <PaulFertser> Psi_: did it ever work with an older (read .24) kernel?
Jun 23 11:28:46 <Psi_> i dont think ive ever seen 320x240 on my phone
Jun 23 11:30:37 <PaulFertser> Psi_: are you sure you want it? Looks ugly, because the "pixels" (each one made of 4) look too square.
Jun 23 11:31:05 <Q-Master> PaulFertser: antialiasing? 8)
Jun 23 11:31:06 <Psi_> i just thought it would be nice to be able to play video
Jun 23 11:31:44 <PaulFertser> Q-Master: the panel is 640x480 so if you want 320x240 for speed you'll have to go without any antialiasing.
Jun 23 11:32:05 <Q-Master> PaulFertser: I'm just joking. 8)
Jun 23 11:32:09 <PaulFertser> Psi_: i wonder if fbset command has an effect with .24
Jun 23 11:32:40 <Psi_> i just found a few messages on the neo about it and it used to work on gta01
Jun 23 11:33:03 <Psi_> pretty old tho
Jun 23 11:33:14 <PaulFertser> Q-Master: are you in touch with russian openmoko community? Probably i can get a gta01 here for some adequate price, what do you think?
Jun 23 11:33:46 <Psi_> cant see a date but they are talking about ipkg so must be old
Jun 23 11:33:49 <PaulFertser> Psi_: might be a kernel problem as well (like fbset issues IOCTL that is effectively ignored or smth). But more data would help investigating that enourmously.
Jun 23 11:34:10 <Q-Master> PaulFertser: I'm in touch a little bit. BTW, why do we need gta01?
Jun 23 11:34:26 <SpeedEvil> because several thousand peeps have it?
Jun 23 11:35:18 <Q-Master> hehe
Jun 23 11:36:59 <PaulFertser> Q-Master: to try to solve some problems
Jun 23 11:37:17 <PaulFertser> Q-Master: can you tell me why russian community is not in touch with international community? ;)
Jun 23 11:37:54 <Q-Master> PaulFertser: dunno. I even doubt that there IS russian community. 8)
Jun 23 11:38:20 <SpeedEvil> PaulFertser: what would you need for remote debugging of this? More than usb-net and a webcam?
Jun 23 11:38:25 <PaulFertser> Q-Master: well, if you know whom to ask about obtaining a gta01 here, please do. 
Jun 23 11:38:37 <SpeedEvil> Or would you ratehre do the hardware thing
Jun 23 11:38:45 <Psi_> im copying 2.6.24 on now to find out
Jun 23 11:39:18 <Q-Master> PaulFertser: you do want to buy a gta01 or what? I'm a bit dumb today
Jun 23 11:39:24 <PaulFertser> SpeedEvil: i'm afraid i'd need access to testpoints sooner or later. Also i still hope that power consumption of gta01 can be made tolerable for everyday use (and for that more hardware-aimed investigations are needed).
Jun 23 11:39:34 <SpeedEvil> yeah
Jun 23 11:39:36 <PaulFertser> Q-Master: yes, i do. Buy or accept as a present.
Jun 23 11:39:59 <SpeedEvil> posting an appeal on ML might be an idea
Jun 23 11:40:13 <Q-Master> PaulFertser: ok. I'll try to ask
Jun 23 11:41:01 <PaulFertser> SpeedEvil: international shippings and payments are pita, especially for russians. So i want to try to find a device here first.
Jun 23 11:42:23 <Psi_> PaulFertser: im still working on setting up a test rig to do power tests on my gta01, need to setup a proper fake battery, last time a few strands broke off the wires i had twisted around the terminals and fell inside my neo casing. Had to take the neo apart to clean them out to avoid shorts 
Jun 23 11:42:34 <PaulFertser> SpeedEvil: also i'm afraid that if i post an appeal on the ML somebody might think that i'm going to fix anything while i might give up due to lack of skills (or even do nothing for no reason) instead.
Jun 23 11:42:51 <SpeedEvil> fair enough.
Jun 23 11:43:15 <PaulFertser> And doing nothing for no obvious reason is unfortunately a common pattern for me.
Jun 23 11:43:20 <SpeedEvil> :)
Jun 23 11:43:32 <SpeedEvil> BTDTGWNRAIWDN.
Jun 23 11:43:53 <SpeedEvil> (well nothing really, as I was doing nothing)
Jun 23 11:46:14 <PaulFertser> SpeedEvil: i'm sorry, what does BTDTGWNRAIWDN mean?
Jun 23 11:46:43 <leila> he posted part of it below
Jun 23 11:46:49 <SM2k> sounds like a sound a cat would make
Jun 23 11:46:54 <leila> just missing the BTDTG
Jun 23 11:48:52 <PaulFertser> I see :)
Jun 23 11:49:23 <pandoras_> every update from the opkg is going wrong
Jun 23 11:49:33 <pandoras_> signature fail check.. error 404 ...
Jun 23 11:49:38 <pandoras_> -_-
Jun 23 11:54:59 <pandoras_> ok, i think i found the Problem
Jun 23 11:55:29 <pandoras_> im using OM 2008.12 and the repos are configured on 2008.08
Jun 23 11:55:45 <pandoras_> it dont exist any 2008.12 repos -_-
Jun 23 11:57:25 <max_posedon> 2008.12 is *VERY* outdated
Jun 23 11:57:38 <max_posedon> it isn't supported, and all already forget about it
Jun 23 11:57:55 <pandoras_> o_0'
Jun 23 11:58:08 <PaulFertser> pandoras_: it was deadborn anyway
Jun 23 11:58:11 <pandoras_> omg, i read in the Wiki, i must flash the newest Version xD
Jun 23 11:58:26 <pandoras_> ok, is a Downgrade a better Idea?
Jun 23 11:58:36 <PaulFertser> pandoras_: yes, downgrade to windows ce!
Jun 23 11:58:43 <pandoras_> ROFL
Jun 23 12:00:03 <max_posedon> pandoras_, I sugges latest shr-unstable
Jun 23 12:00:12 <pandoras_> ok.. the complete Game from beginn
Jun 23 12:05:07 <Psi_> PaulFertser: yes, it is much better in .24
Jun 23 12:05:22 <PaulFertser> Psi_: it'd be good if you described it in more details
Jun 23 12:05:27 <Psi_> its still too bright, but it is actually displaying in 320x240 correctly when i do fbset qvga
Jun 23 12:07:01 <Psi_> this is the kernel i used uImage-2.6.24-oe5+gitrfb42ce6724576fc173faf8abfb04aa2c36d213b7-r1-om-gta01.bin
Jun 23 12:10:05 <Psi_> what kind of detail do you require?
Jun 23 12:10:57 <PaulFertser> Psi_: yes, i think that's enough
Jun 23 12:23:01 <pandoras_> so.. flashing again, with the 2008.08 Distro
Jun 23 12:23:43 <PaulFertser> pandoras_: sissy
Jun 23 12:32:21 <leila> hmm without using suspend I get about 14 hours of battery life
Jun 23 12:33:16 <PaulFertser> leila: sounds reasonable
Jun 23 12:33:32 <PaulFertser> leila: do you want to boast about it or to complain? ;)
Jun 23 12:35:31 <leila> PaulFertser: just verifying
Jun 23 12:36:06 <leila> PaulFertser: also worried about the suspend eating the uSD
Jun 23 12:36:26 <Psi_> leila: gta02 im guessing
Jun 23 12:36:33 <leila> Psi_: yup
Jun 23 12:36:38 <PaulFertser> leila: suspend doesn't eat uSD for long time now
Jun 23 12:36:54 <leila> PaulFertser: that is good to here
Jun 23 12:36:57 <leila> hear*
Jun 23 12:42:13 <leila> PaulFertser: the kernel is individual of the distro right ?
Jun 23 12:43:36 <PaulFertser> leila: some distro maintainers think that they need to cherry-pick a particular revision or smth. But it's not necessary. I think all kernel work should be done at kernel ML.
Jun 23 12:44:57 <leila> I see
Jun 23 13:03:40 <pandoras_> opkg want work
Jun 23 13:04:01 <pandoras_> An error ocurred, return value: 2.
Jun 23 13:04:12 <pandoras_> wich error?
Jun 23 13:17:33 <leila> hmm zhone went haywire when I tried to make a call, also the screen got al garbaled
Jun 23 13:22:17 <pandoras_> ARGH!! Horribel! the Packager dont works
Jun 23 14:28:35 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07mickey * rd6f702a9a693 10alsa-scenario/DEPRECATED: alsa-scenario is dead, we now talk to alsa directly.
Jun 23 14:40:50 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r846bb6733607 10/LICENSE: add LICENSE file
Jun 23 14:50:01 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r8428748cf506 10/misc-vapi/COPYING: misc-vapi: add COPYING file; this is licensed under LGPL 2.1
Jun 23 14:51:19 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r3eb618d65692 10/misc-vapi/vapi/posixextra.vapi: misc-vapi: posixextra: add license header
Jun 23 14:53:43 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libfso-glib * rb855b0297ff6 10/COPYING: relicense under LGPL 2.1 to be more permissive
Jun 23 14:59:28 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r647352c96582 10/fsousaged/src/plugins/controller/plugin.vala: fsousaged: check for invalid parameters in {Get|Set}ResourcePolicy
Jun 23 15:13:45 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r6f3d1e5dea60 10/fsousaged/src/plugins/controller/plugin.vala: fsousaged: remove warnings and secure against more potential failures
Jun 23 15:56:10 <pandoras> wuhuu! the Upgrade is running :D
Jun 23 15:56:32 <pandoras> the 2008.8 Version have a buggy ConfigFile for opkg
Jun 23 15:57:00 <ndnihil> if you're talking about the 404 messages
Jun 23 15:57:02 <ndnihil> that's normal
Jun 23 15:57:07 <ndnihil> and can be safely ignored
Jun 23 15:57:25 <ndnihil> it's just polling a repository that no longer exists
Jun 23 16:09:40 <pandoras> ndnihil: i mean the "error 2"
Jun 23 16:09:49 <pandoras> that was an bad configuration error
Jun 23 16:10:09 <ndnihil> oh
Jun 23 16:10:36 <pandoras> a OM without a packet manager is horrible
Jun 23 16:19:54 <PBeck> hi
Jun 23 16:28:55 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rcbf3d7b9f925 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (pimb_sqlite_messages.py pimd_messages.py): opimd: Messages: implement Update method
Jun 23 16:35:23 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r5a2d3945e63d 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sqlite_messages.py: opimd: SQLite-Messages: change read and sent to MessageRead and MessageSent, and add Processing field
Jun 23 16:38:24 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r8dfb95a79b09 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/docs/ (api_overview.txt contact_fields.txt message_fields.txt): opimd: update docs
Jun 23 16:43:13 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07specs * r972f5d410305 10/org.freesmartphone.PIM/org.freesmartphone.PIM.Message.xml.in: org.freesmartphone.PIM.Message: add Update and Delete methods
Jun 23 16:43:15 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07specs * r17f8082e4da7 10/org.freesmartphone.PIM/org.freesmartphone.PIM.Messages.xml.in: org.freesmartphone.PIM.Messages: add IncomingMessage signal and change description of NewMessage signal
Jun 23 17:55:34 <fredrin> morning or what ever
Jun 23 17:55:40 * fredrin got fucked sleeping schedule 
Jun 23 18:00:10 <Blu3> :)
Jun 23 18:20:50 <leila> Hello. Trying out SHR at the moment, but after flashing in the things I am first getting a kernel module error and several things are randomly crashing. Is this still the current state of SHR ?
Jun 23 18:21:29 <ndnihil> testing or unstable?
Jun 23 18:21:37 <ndnihil> I'm using a fairly recent unstable and it works fine
Jun 23 18:24:18 <leila> I used the links on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR
Jun 23 18:25:06 <jn> hi
Jun 23 18:25:34 <SpeedEvil> you flashed kernel and image?
Jun 23 18:26:11 <leila> yup
Jun 23 18:29:09 <leila> I'll try rebooting first
Jun 23 18:31:49 <leila> Contacts program still dies
Jun 23 18:53:48 <leila> Hmm why does iwconfig ignore my essid that I feed it on SHR ?
Jun 23 18:54:13 <ndnihil> did you turn wifi on?
Jun 23 18:54:21 <ndnihil> settings->connections
Jun 23 18:54:29 <leila> yup
Jun 23 18:54:57 <leila> it does accept the key
Jun 23 18:55:00 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r5836b034a0ad 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (pimb_sim_contacts_fso.py pimb_sim_messages_fso.py): opimd: install GSM signal handlers even if ogsmd isn't present when initing opimd
Jun 23 18:57:08 <novalis_dt> Who is responsible for Python on the OpenMoko?
Jun 23 18:57:16 <novalis_dt> Er, in SHR
Jun 23 18:57:59 <ndnihil> I dont know but they should be beaten profusely with a large blunt object
Jun 23 18:58:21 <novalis_dt> ndnihil, well, I was more thinking that they should get a long talking-to, but ....
Jun 23 18:58:21 <ndnihil> if only they had chosen perl
Jun 23 18:58:35 <novalis_dt> Wait, what?
Jun 23 18:58:43 <ndnihil> <-- doesnt like python
Jun 23 18:58:47 <ndnihil> what's your gripe with it?
Jun 23 18:59:02 <novalis_dt> I wasn't going to start a language flame war -- I was going to complain about the fact that the standard library has been broken into eighteen tiny modules.
Jun 23 18:59:21 <ndnihil> ah
Jun 23 18:59:26 <ndnihil> I just dislike python in general
Jun 23 18:59:54 <ajvogel> ndnihil, why?
Jun 23 19:00:27 <novalis_dt> Ah, and half of the tiny modules don't exist.
Jun 23 19:00:28 <ndnihil> mostly because I prefer {brackets} to indentation
Jun 23 19:00:58 <novalis_dt> It is very rare for people who have actually used Python for more than an hour to maintain the view that indentation is a mistake.
Jun 23 19:01:09 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r7b86ed451d49 10/libfsoframework/ (6 files in 2 dirs): fsoframework: more work on SoundSystem class (using alsa backend)
Jun 23 19:01:11 <ndnihil> I wrote a few things in it
Jun 23 19:01:12 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r0437e385a4d2 10/misc-vapi/vapi/libasound.vapi: misc-vapi: libasound.vapi: add aes ice 958
Jun 23 19:01:12 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r932a54ae4152 10/libfsoframework/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fsoframework: save/restore groups of mixer controls
Jun 23 19:01:15 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r012a876ec8b9 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/alsa.vala: 
Jun 23 19:01:15 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: fsoframework: alsa: refactor
Jun 23 19:01:16 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: We keep the list of controls now in the alsa object,
Jun 23 19:01:18 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: based on the assumption that it doesn't change over the lifetime
Jun 23 19:01:18 <ndnihil> interfaced with dbus for gps data
Jun 23 19:01:19 <ndnihil> etc...
Jun 23 19:01:20 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r79b99e28e553 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/ (alsa.vala fsoframework-2.0.vapi): fsoframework: alsa: add method to create a MixerControl from a string description
Jun 23 19:01:21 <ndnihil> still dont like it
Jun 23 19:01:48 <ajvogel> novalis_dt, I agree. 
Jun 23 19:01:51 <leila> I like {} or even begin end more as well, way easier to skim over and spot logical constructs
Jun 23 19:03:10 <dos1> novalis_dt: python is only used in frameworkd and shr-settings in SHR i think
Jun 23 19:03:10 <ajvogel> I always used indentations to seperate constructs, even in languages with brackets or begin-end
Jun 23 19:03:13 * mickeyl mentions that he is the maintainer of pretty much everything Python in OE and everything that's built from OE
Jun 23 19:03:14 <leila> ok I am wtf'd using iwconfig with only the essid as param will set it. However combining it with key or enc will not
Jun 23 19:03:36 <novalis_dt> dos1, and in my code!
Jun 23 19:03:58 <mickeyl> Python in OE was first created for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5500
Jun 23 19:04:02 <dos1> novalis_dt: oh, in notifier also
Jun 23 19:04:03 <mickeyl> this one had 14.5 MB of flash
Jun 23 19:04:03 <novalis_dt> mickeyl, where is gzip?  where is ssl?
Jun 23 19:04:11 <mickeyl> tell me about package granularity now :D
Jun 23 19:04:16 <mickeyl> novalis_dt: python-compression
Jun 23 19:04:23 <mickeyl> python-openssl perhaps
Jun 23 19:04:28 <leila> I parse {} as markers when skimming
Jun 23 19:04:57 <novalis_dt> mickeyl, perhaps I don't understand opkg.  Whenever I try to use opkg search to search for something, I can't find it.
Jun 23 19:05:00 <leila> I guess I could get used to parsing it on other stuff, but still dont like it
Jun 23 19:05:15 <mickeyl> i don't know much about opkg, however I know what you can use to look for modules
Jun 23 19:05:17 <mickeyl> let me give you a link
Jun 23 19:05:19 <ndnihil> opkg list
Jun 23 19:05:29 <novalis_dt> mickeyl, thanks
Jun 23 19:05:42 <novalis_dt> ndnihil, that only works if you know what you're looking for
Jun 23 19:05:56 <ndnihil> it lists all available packages
Jun 23 19:06:02 <ndnihil> then you grep for what you want
Jun 23 19:06:23 <mickeyl> http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/python/python-2.6-manifest.inc?h=fso/milestone5.5
Jun 23 19:06:34 <novalis_dt> ndnihil, opkg list|grep gzip gices me nothing
Jun 23 19:06:35 <mickeyl> this is the manifest, describing which modules go into which subpackage
Jun 23 19:06:39 <mickeyl> may help you to find stuff
Jun 23 19:06:56 <leila> I did not remember that using the essid as last parameter was a requirement >_>
Jun 23 19:07:36 <novalis_dt> mickeyl, ah, thanks.  That does help.  python-io appears to contain _ssl.so, which might be what I need.
Jun 23 19:08:19 <ndnihil> root@phone ~ # opkg list |grep -i gzip |wc -l
Jun 23 19:08:19 <ndnihil> 5
Jun 23 19:08:21 <mickeyl> good. i don't plan to change the granularity for the 2.x series
Jun 23 19:08:22 <ndnihil> I get 5 packages
Jun 23 19:08:29 <leila> Do I need to run a dhcp like command to get an ip or is that build in after setting up the wireless with iwconfig ?
Jun 23 19:08:34 <leila> (SHR)
Jun 23 19:08:34 <mickeyl> for 3.0 i may consider doing less packages
Jun 23 19:08:42 <ndnihil> did you opkg update?
Jun 23 19:08:54 <novalis_dt> ndnihil, at some point, I think
Jun 23 19:09:38 <mickeyl> leila: iwconfig is not doing anything wrt. IP
Jun 23 19:09:52 <novalis_dt> hm, _ssl.so does not provide the ssl module.
Jun 23 19:09:55 <mickeyl> so: yes, you need to run e.g. udhcpc
Jun 23 19:10:04 <novalis_dt> I could happily upgrade to python3 for this.
Jun 23 19:10:09 <bricode> Anyone familiar with teh AT+CCLK? GSM command?
Jun 23 19:10:20 <mickeyl> well, python3 won't be packaged until 2010
Jun 23 19:10:25 <mickeyl> i don't see much value in it now
Jun 23 19:10:29 <novalis_dt> OK, I can't wait until 2010.
Jun 23 19:10:35 <mickeyl> anyways, you probably need openssl as well
Jun 23 19:10:40 <novalis_dt> I have openssl.
Jun 23 19:10:49 <mickeyl> ok, so what exactly is not working for you?
Jun 23 19:10:56 <novalis_dt> import ssl
Jun 23 19:11:06 <novalis_dt> Traceback (most recent call last):
Jun 23 19:11:06 <novalis_dt>   File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
Jun 23 19:11:06 <novalis_dt> ImportError: No module named ssl
Jun 23 19:11:15 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r065ff1fb9b78 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (pimb_sim_contacts_fso.py pimb_sim_messages_fso.py): opimd: use better way for installing ReadyStatus signal handler
Jun 23 19:11:18 <novalis_dt> httplib2 depends on it.
Jun 23 19:11:59 <mickeyl> right, seems this is missing in python-io
Jun 23 19:12:06 <mickeyl> copy it from your host for now
Jun 23 19:12:12 <mickeyl> i'll add it to OE when i have a chance
Jun 23 19:12:26 * mickeyl notes down
Jun 23 19:13:23 <leila> mickeyl, is there a default dhcp client in SHR ?
Jun 23 19:13:30 <mickeyl> usually, udhcpc, yes
Jun 23 19:13:46 <leila> ahar .. missed the last c.. I think
Jun 23 19:15:15 <leila> many thanks
Jun 23 19:15:48 <mickeyl> np
Jun 23 19:18:42 <leila> upgrading the distro to see if the contacts thing will function then
Jun 23 19:21:03 <leila> the error screen can use some work ... it is not readable
Jun 23 19:45:24 <novalis_dt> What does Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged mean?
Jun 23 19:50:04 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r1c72f34ba722 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sqlite_messages.py: opimd: SQLite-Messages: fix adding new messages to database
Jun 23 19:50:16 <dos1> novalis_dt: ignore it
Jun 23 19:50:35 <novalis_dt> dos1, it happens immediately before my dbus call freezes.
Jun 23 19:50:52 <dos1> novalis_dt: it happens every time something calls dbus ;)
Jun 23 19:51:11 <dos1> (and when that something is using dbus-python or dbus-c++)
Jun 23 19:51:21 <dos1> s/dbus-c++/dbus-glib/
Jun 23 19:51:21 <apt> dos1 meant: (and when that something is using dbus-python or dbus-glib)
Jun 23 19:57:01 <leila> hmm this paroli thing is realy depressing in colour
Jun 23 20:10:37 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r582aa3e1646b 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (pimd_contacts.py pimd_messages.py): opimd: don't change paths when deleting contact/message
Jun 23 20:29:21 <leila> How many times can the NAND be written before it dies ?
Jun 23 20:30:37 <lindi-> leila: google for the chip specs?
Jun 23 20:32:39 <novalis_dt> 100K is the typical spec
Jun 23 20:58:33 <leila> lindi-, novalis_dt in that case not to worry ;)
Jun 23 20:58:48 <leila> also it seems that qtopia is nice.. it is - fast -
Jun 23 21:01:00 <PaulFertser> leila: it is not suitable for hackers
Jun 23 21:01:40 <PaulFertser> leila: and for quite some time it wasn't free software (technically, it was, but to make it really free one would need to fork it).
Jun 23 21:03:49 <fredrin> is android working now? 
Jun 23 21:04:33 <PaulFertser> fredrin: who cares :-/
Jun 23 21:04:53 <PaulFertser> fredrin: android is not for hackers, that's the fact that even A devs admit.
Jun 23 21:05:07 <fredrin> true, hehe, i would like to test it though
Jun 23 21:06:23 <bricode> fredrin: You can find out more at git.koolu.org and trac.koolu.org
Jun 23 21:08:52 <viq> Is there any distro that understands MMS ?
Jun 23 21:18:22 <leila> PaulFertser, that might be true, but this far it a) did not crash b) is fast. Besides I will upgrade it to the community fork soon.
Jun 23 21:18:27 <leila> Also I like the looks
Jun 23 21:18:50 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03rehar * r5201 10/trunk/gta02-core/audio.sch: added more components (work in progress)
Jun 23 21:20:43 <fredrin> gah, can't get the swapfile going, created the file, put this line in fstab : /swp.file          swap    swap    defaults                        0 0 
Jun 23 21:20:47 <fredrin> but swapon fails
Jun 23 21:21:20 <Psi_> i found the neo sometimes ignores fstab and does its own thing
Jun 23 21:21:27 <Psi_> might be something like that
Jun 23 21:22:07 * fredrin loves his neo
Jun 23 21:22:12 <Psi_> ie, if you forget to change fstab to have / on the sdcard, (so its still pointing to nand) it still sets sd to /
Jun 23 21:22:17 <max_posedon> fredrin, swapon?)
Jun 23 21:22:24 <fredrin> yeah
Jun 23 21:22:26 <max_posedon> also it is none, not swap
Jun 23 21:22:43 <max_posedon> Don't you forgot about mkswap?
Jun 23 21:22:50 <Psi_> ^
Jun 23 21:22:57 <fredrin>  /swp.file          none   none    defaults                        0 0 
Jun 23 21:23:43 <fredrin> mkswap :) was missing 
Jun 23 21:23:46 <fredrin> thanks :D
Jun 23 21:24:38 <Psi_> isnt it supposed to be "none  swap"
Jun 23 21:24:43 <Psi_> heh
Jun 23 21:25:07 <Psi_> does it help much having a swap on the sd?
Jun 23 21:25:18 <max_posedon> anybody can look at his PC to correct syntax
Jun 23 21:25:27 <max_posedon> Psi_, it important only for opkg
Jun 23 21:25:33 <Psi_> ah
Jun 23 21:27:09 <mmontour> The mountpoint (2nd field) is ignored but the fstab manpage I looked at recommends "none". The filesystem type (3rd field) has to be "swap"
Jun 23 21:28:04 <fredrin> it worked with swap swap aswell 
Jun 23 21:28:07 <fredrin> could change it though 
Jun 23 21:28:15 <fredrin> it that is the Right Way (tm) 
Jun 23 21:28:22 <fredrin> s/it/if
Jun 23 21:35:43 <ndnihil> woot, FR is burning up today
Jun 23 21:35:47 <ndnihil> tons of calls
Jun 23 21:35:53 <Psi_> heh
Jun 23 21:35:56 <ndnihil> (had an office disappear)
Jun 23 21:42:32 <leila> Good night all
Jun 23 23:57:58 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r4e46a14131c7 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_messages_fso.py: opimd: SIM-Messages-FSO: disable SIM SMS buffering after installing signal handlers
Jun 24 01:15:35 <novalis_dt> I'm having a problem with my wifi.  I am turning it on with dbus, and sometimes when I go to turn it on, it just hangs and ultimately dies with dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
Jun 24 01:16:14 <novalis_dt> Any ideas?
Jun 24 01:17:32 <novalis_dt> It actually also hangs when I try calling GetPower via dbus too.
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