**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 25 02:59:57 2009
Jun 25 05:10:10 <fredrin> Zorkman: are you smuggeling drugs from Holland to Netherlands? ref. openbmap and twitter :) hehe 
Jun 25 05:10:29 <fredrin> gud mårning gais 
Jun 25 05:51:41 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03Duncanla * r5205 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (docs/ecn/ecn0016.txt io.sch lcm.sch): 
Jun 25 05:51:41 <CIA-47> openmoko: Initial LCM schematic created.
Jun 25 05:51:41 <CIA-47> openmoko: Initial IO schematic created.
Jun 25 05:51:41 <CIA-47> openmoko: Updated ecn0016 to reflect changes to IO schem.
Jun 25 06:27:33 <ifchinscouldkill> join #openmoko-cdevel
Jun 25 06:58:37 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03werner * r5206 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 
Jun 25 06:58:37 <CIA-47> openmoko: Minor logistics:
Jun 25 06:58:37 <CIA-47> openmoko: - added new sheets to STATUS and AUTHORS
Jun 25 06:58:37 <CIA-47> openmoko: - added "varistor" and FILTER to components/INFO, mainly to keep references to
Jun 25 06:58:37 <CIA-47> openmoko:  the data sheets
Jun 25 06:58:38 <CIA-47> openmoko: - checked in previously forgotten expanded/Makefile (convenience targets "gv"
Jun 25 06:58:42 <CIA-47> openmoko:  and "xpdf")
Jun 25 08:11:01 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03werner * r5207 10/trunk/gta02-core/kicad-patches/series: fix-eeschema-libs.patch has made it upstream. We're now at r1837
Jun 25 08:40:45 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03werner * r5208 10/trunk/gta02-core/kicad-patches/ (fix-r1837-build.patch series): r1837 has a bewildering number of build issues. tentative fix.
Jun 25 09:33:19 <Psi_> hm.. is there a way to get the shr keyboard to work in landscape, or is that not coded yet.
Jun 25 09:35:50 <Q-Master> Psi_: ?
Jun 25 09:36:18 <Psi_> when i change the lcd to landscape the keyboard stays where it is, which is below the bottom of the screen
Jun 25 09:36:25 <Psi_> (gta01, shr-unstable)
Jun 25 10:01:25 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03werner * r5209 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (8 files): Added sheet name in 200 mil bold text to each sheet.
Jun 25 10:04:18 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03daveb * r5210 10/trunk/gta02-core/gta02-core.sch: include lcm.sch in gta02-core.sch overview
Jun 25 10:32:14 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03daveb * r5211 10/trunk/gta02-core/bt.sch: use descriptive lables for BT/WLAN 2-wire co-existence
Jun 25 10:35:18 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03daveb * r5212 10/trunk/gta02-core/lcm.sch: add subsystem label to LCM sheet
Jun 25 10:52:31 <sybren> Hi folks
Jun 25 11:08:29 <sybren> I've just installed om2009 on my freerunner, and trying to do "opkg upgrade"
Jun 25 11:08:36 <sybren> however, I get segmentation faults:
Jun 25 11:08:36 <sybren> opkg: fork failed
Jun 25 11:08:36 <sybren> Segmentation fault
Jun 25 11:09:26 <max_posedon> yes, known bug, add swap
Jun 25 11:16:39 * fredrin|cel is using the neo at the beach
Jun 25 11:17:49 <fredrin|cel> life is good
Jun 25 11:18:25 <sybren> max_posedon: thanks
Jun 25 11:18:47 <fredrin|cel> using gprs and calling at the same time
Jun 25 11:19:02 <fredrin|cel> :D
Jun 25 11:24:35 <fredrin|cel> shr unstable rocks
Jun 25 11:24:54 <sybren> :)
Jun 25 11:25:01 <mjr> whee
Jun 25 11:25:16 <sybren> fredrin|cel: how does it cope with wifi? I just tried SHR testing and Mofi often just hang
Jun 25 11:27:14 <fredrin|cel> i am fare away from wifi
Jun 25 11:29:22 <SpeedEvil> gprs and calling - I understood that to be impossible. Or do you mean GPRS - with GPRS pausing when on a call
Jun 25 11:29:34 <fredrin|cel> but i had it working some days ago with high ping
Jun 25 11:29:48 <mjr> yeah I took it to mean gprs being paused during call
Jun 25 11:30:04 <mjr> afaik also no actual data transfer during calls
Jun 25 11:30:10 <fredrin|cel> both at the same time
Jun 25 11:30:14 <SpeedEvil> odd.
Jun 25 11:30:29 <SpeedEvil> but nice.
Jun 25 11:30:43 <fredrin|cel> i think
Jun 25 11:34:25 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer should GPRS always pause when on a call - fredrin seems to have seen otherwise.
Jun 25 11:34:49 <SpeedEvil> But (s)he may be confused.
Jun 25 11:36:41 <dos1> i think it's technicaly impossible to transfer GPRS data during call
Jun 25 11:37:15 <SpeedEvil> Me too, but I'd love to be wrong :)
Jun 25 11:37:29 <ndnihil> heh, mine wont even ring with gprs in use
Jun 25 11:37:32 <ndnihil> just tested
Jun 25 11:38:55 <ndnihil> hrm
Jun 25 11:39:06 <dos1> ndnihil: hmm? that's bug then
Jun 25 11:39:17 <ndnihil> wont ring when actively used (running ping), will ring when enabled but not being actively used
Jun 25 11:39:22 <dos1> ndnihil: here it works, just GPRS is paused during call
Jun 25 11:39:33 <ndnihil> can't reach out when on a call
Jun 25 11:39:40 <dos1> ndnihil: oh. then that's normal
Jun 25 11:39:50 <dos1> gsm limitations
Jun 25 11:42:23 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r70d4c8e8bbb6 10fso-monitord/src/device.vala: Ported missing FSO.Device to fso-glib
Jun 25 11:42:24 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r699970f4ea69 10fso-monitord/src/framework.vala: Add member DBus.Object for Framework
Jun 25 11:42:29 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * rbd11051dc5bf 10fso-monitord/src/ (gsm.vala monitor.vala): 
Jun 25 11:42:32 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: Ported FSO.GSM.* to fso-glib
Jun 25 11:42:34 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: Removed FSO.GSM.Phone because it is not in the specs
Jun 25 12:31:28 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r8409e3b1606d 10fso-monitord/src/phone.vala: Ported FSO.Phone to fso-glib
Jun 25 12:31:31 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r713c316c3a21 10fso-monitord/src/preferences.vala: Ported FSO.Preferences to fso-glib
Jun 25 12:31:31 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * rf45da3d4a12f 10fso-monitord/src/usage.vala: Ported FSO.Usage to FSO.Usage
Jun 25 12:31:33 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * rd97ee25ece44 10fso-monitord/src/monitor.vala: Removed unused object from System
Jun 25 12:43:01 <jessycatz> hey! do you know why I get this really we~ird error trying to boot my fr? (I'm running shr-unstable) http://bit.ly/48w8R
Jun 25 12:53:20 <saracen> Heads up: If any of you are sending your openmoko back for the buzz fix, don't use Royal Mail =(. I think mines been stolen. I said it wasn't a mobile phone, as apparently you can only get something like 30 pound compensation, rather than 300. -- Now it looks like I might have to prove it that it isn't a mobile, otherwise I'm really out of pocket =(
Jun 25 12:56:38 <SpeedEvil> :/
Jun 25 12:57:50 <saracen> I have until the 30th until I can say it's totally missing =(
Jun 25 12:58:48 <saracen> Annoying, I wanted full tracking. When I got to the post office, they said they didnt do it. got home and checked the website again, the full tracking option was no longer there. So, it got delivered to Germany (I ordered mine from Golden Delicious) and then it vanished ;x 
Jun 25 13:22:19 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r0726464e611b 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (pimd_contacts.py pimd_messages.py): opimd: don't fail when some queried field is not string
Jun 25 13:22:20 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r17bfe66c068f 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_messages.py: opimd: Messages: rename GetMessageURI to GetMessagePath and GetMessageURIs to GetMessagePaths
Jun 25 13:24:17 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07specs * rc83d98283868 10/org.freesmartphone.PIM/org.freesmartphone.PIM.Message.xml.in: org.freesmartphone.PIM.Message: fix annotations in Delete and Update methods
Jun 25 13:40:47 <sybren> On http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/397 I read that Mofi is deprecated and going to be replaced soon. What will it be replaced by ?
Jun 25 13:42:10 <max_posedon> with some connman frontend as I know, may be implemented as part of shr-settings
Jun 25 13:42:25 <sybren> is the replacement already in shr-unstable?
Jun 25 13:43:04 <max_posedon> no
Jun 25 13:43:46 <dos1> sybren: but you can use it
Jun 25 13:43:52 <sybren> dos1: nice, how?
Jun 25 13:44:23 <dos1> sybren: it sits here: http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr-settings.git;a=blob;f=playground/wifiman.py;h=380fd0c525e64f8a873fda189a6753a70fa931cd;hb=HEAD
Jun 25 13:44:30 <dos1> just download, install connman and plugins, and use it
Jun 25 13:45:00 <dos1> but it doesn't handle default routes sometimes
Jun 25 13:45:10 <sybren> what do you mean with "sometimes"?
Jun 25 13:45:49 <max_posedon> dos1, wow, where this file should be saved?
Jun 25 13:46:07 <dos1> max_posedon: where you want
Jun 25 13:46:16 <dos1> sybren: just sometimes
Jun 25 13:46:24 <max_posedon> e.g. its stand-alone program?
Jun 25 13:46:42 <dos1> sybren: under some condition it handles, under some - not. that's connman and interfaces configuration issue
Jun 25 13:46:49 <dos1> sybren: but we're working on it
Jun 25 13:46:56 <dos1> max_posedon: yep, right now it's stand-alone
Jun 25 13:47:15 <sybren> dos1: what would be required in order to use it from the touch screen?
Jun 25 13:47:41 <dos1> you can write desktop file for it
Jun 25 13:47:54 <dos1> but firstly test, if it works for you ;P
Jun 25 13:48:00 <sybren> heh good one
Jun 25 13:48:20 <sybren> how safe is it to do a "opkg update; opkg upgrade" on a freerunner right now?
Jun 25 13:52:46 <max_posedon> dos1, is it just works? e.g. should I or shoudn't enable wifi in settings?
Jun 25 13:53:15 <dos1> max_posedon: you should enable wifi in shr-settings, but i'll change that later
Jun 25 13:53:25 <dos1> now working on opimd ;)
Jun 25 13:54:41 <max_posedon> btw, shr-setting have bug
Jun 25 13:54:57 <max_posedon> when I during enabling wifi, move "wifi" from off to on
Jun 25 13:55:05 <max_posedon> it returns to off place automatically
Jun 25 13:55:18 <max_posedon> then I quit and start "connectivity" once more
Jun 25 13:55:26 <max_posedon> after this I see that wifi is on
Jun 25 13:56:47 <max_posedon> we have wifi device!
Jun 25 13:56:51 <max_posedon> Our device: /device/0012cf8eef5f
Jun 25 13:56:55 <max_posedon> scan failed
Jun 25 13:57:06 <max_posedon> but, iwlist scan find some networks
Jun 25 13:58:11 <max_posedon> connman-plugin-wifi - 0.19+gitr1299+40b63388060128580c3dafe814d7e195d3fbce5a-r0 installed
Jun 25 13:59:17 <max_posedon> dos1, have you any idea about this issue?
Jun 25 13:59:50 <dos1> max_posedon: run it again
Jun 25 13:59:55 <dos1> sometimes happens to me too
Jun 25 14:00:18 <dos1> if still doesn't work, reboot and try again
Jun 25 14:00:24 <dos1> there are some ugly kernel bugs
Jun 25 14:00:35 <max_posedon> 10/10 fails
Jun 25 14:00:39 <max_posedon> but iwlist scan works
Jun 25 14:02:14 <dos1> hmm
Jun 25 14:13:35 <[Rui]> new elmdentica, now with bubbles... comin'up next... perhaps icons...
Jun 25 14:23:35 <Arigead> tig|1: Couple of weeks if I remember correctly. Bit longer then I'd have like but I'm happy and it's better then no fix
Jun 25 15:13:09 <guysoft422> hey, Zorkman , here?
Jun 25 15:26:12 <DocScrutinizer2> SpeedEvil: new modems do concurrent GPRS afaik
Jun 25 15:27:41 <DocScrutinizer2> SpeedEvil: why should it be impossible? we have a time-slize multiple access technology on GSM
Jun 25 15:33:29 <SpeedEvil> s/impossible/impossible on the calypso with the firmware we have/
Jun 25 15:40:44 <DocScrutinizer> ack
Jun 25 15:41:02 <DocScrutinizer> afaik
Jun 25 15:57:55 <DocScrutinizer2> though we might want to test it. I don't remember any datasheet statement saying it does *not* work with calypso
Jun 25 16:00:16 <SpeedEvil> Has anyone tested 3G? :)
Jun 25 16:02:07 <mjr> I seem to recall some TI public specs saying it's class b, but of course it might be overcomeable with firmware, which we won't
Jun 25 16:09:48 <dcordes> somebody seen a similar shaped phone before? http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/samsung-beat-dj-hands-on/
Jun 25 16:49:16 <PBeck> hi
Jun 25 17:51:03 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03rehar * r5213 10/trunk/gta02-core/audio.sch: 
Jun 25 17:51:03 <CIA-47> openmoko: added Ref to C4111 and C4110
Jun 25 17:51:03 <CIA-47> openmoko: mirrored some components that Ref is on top, Value under the symbol
Jun 25 17:51:03 <CIA-47> openmoko: added NC flag to unconnected pins
Jun 25 17:51:03 <CIA-47> openmoko: fixed speaker polarity
Jun 25 17:51:04 <CIA-47> openmoko: added common mode choke in stereo path
Jun 25 18:29:54 <Digital-Pioneer> How do I use connman? I see it in the repos, and I've started the daemon, but how do I USE it?
Jun 25 18:34:39 <mwester> connman is one of those "newfangled" modern-type applications.  It doesn't have old, outdated things like silly command line utilities.  Nope, for connman, like other modern, way cool applications, you just encode dbus messages all by yourself, and send them to it.
Jun 25 18:34:44 <mwester> Sigh.
Jun 25 18:35:12 <mwester> There is a debug set of python scripts that get installed with connman, those are the closest it comes to any type of UI.
Jun 25 18:37:12 <Digital_Pioneer> mwester: Cool... So how do I use it? :P
Jun 25 18:37:35 <mwester> you install a distro where somebody has coded a GUI interface for it.  
Jun 25 18:37:56 <Digital_Pioneer> :| IC.
Jun 25 18:38:00 <mwester> It's the new way.  Write an application, without any UI at all of any sort, and call it done.  Then wait for somebody *else* to do the work.
Jun 25 18:38:10 <mwester> Bluez did that as well.
Jun 25 18:38:13 <Digital_Pioneer> LOL
Jun 25 18:39:01 <Blu3> :/
Jun 25 18:39:12 <mwester> I rather like the new way.  I have a large rock from my garden here -- it is the world's fastest, most modern crytographic processor.   The fact that you can't make it do anything is not my fault -- you just don't know the correct dbus calls!
Jun 25 18:39:49 <Digital_Pioneer> LOL
Jun 25 18:39:55 <mwester> Digital_Pioneer,  I believe that SHR has an app that can drive connman.
Jun 25 18:40:16 <mwester> You'll have to ask on the shr ml, or perhaps just check the ml archive or the shr wiki.
Jun 25 18:40:17 <Digital_Pioneer> I use SHR, but IDK what app. I see some stuff in the wiki about wifiman.py but I have no idea where to get it.
Jun 25 19:32:28 <yabo> hello, I am looking for the smallest linux live-cd around (ie the fastest download). I only need it for flashing my Freerunner, so a graphical desktop-environment is not necessary. A friend suggested Gentoo
Jun 25 19:34:09 <max_posedon1> yep, its small(~60mb) and have all what you need
Jun 25 19:34:24 <max_posedon1> even gcc for compiling dfu-util
Jun 25 19:35:45 <yabo> okidoki, thank you
Jun 25 19:37:45 <yabo> also, there are so many new distributions since i last checked in. Which do you recommend? I am looking for GSM-functionality, wifi (are there any stable drivers yet?), and a terminal..
Jun 25 19:38:30 <max_posedon1> shr-unstable
Jun 25 19:38:49 <max_posedon1> and update it every week
Jun 25 19:39:14 <max_posedon1> its most interesting upstream for me now
Jun 25 19:40:05 <yabo> Very well, SHR it is, thanks.
Jun 25 19:40:36 <yabo> what about those wireless-drivers?
Jun 25 19:40:48 <yabo> does wifi still drop out at random?
Jun 25 19:42:09 <max_posedon1> I never had problems with wifi
Jun 25 19:42:43 <max_posedon1> and once I did big test - 48h without any problems
Jun 25 19:43:14 <yabo> wow, how long ago?
Jun 25 19:43:44 <Blu3> wifi is reliable.  i use it constantly
Jun 25 19:43:50 <SpeedEvil> wifi is broken for some.
Jun 25 19:43:59 <Blu3> agreed
Jun 25 19:44:08 <SpeedEvil> It's apparantly firmware incompatability with  some routers
Jun 25 19:44:20 <Blu3> i strongly suspect that
Jun 25 19:45:38 <max_posedon1> yabo, in may on fsoshrcon
Jun 25 19:45:54 <max_posedon1> all 3 dags i use neo wifi nonstop
Jun 25 19:46:01 <yabo> huh, cool
Jun 25 19:46:34 <max_posedon1> ok, it was one stop for buzzfix
Jun 25 19:46:49 <max_posedon1> but really no problems for me
Jun 25 19:47:22 <yabo> wifi is REALLY unstable for me, i am on 2008.9 i think, Build Host is Barbie
Jun 25 19:47:45 <Blu3> goodness, 2008.9 is archaic :?
Jun 25 19:48:29 <max_posedon1> 2008.9... yabo may be you also saw dinasours?))
Jun 25 19:48:33 <SM2k> there used to be a time in this world when "last year's model" was as good as new. :-)
Jun 25 19:48:33 <yabo> :-D
Jun 25 19:54:47 <yabo> um'
Jun 25 19:55:01 <yabo> i havent touched my bootloaders ever, should i do something about that?
Jun 25 19:55:10 * yabo just read something about Qi
Jun 25 19:56:26 <lindi-> Blu3: ifconfig eth0 down; ifconfig eth0 up breaks wifi for everyone
Jun 25 19:56:43 <Blu3> really?
Jun 25 19:56:51 <Blu3> hmm, i'll have to check on that
Jun 25 19:57:07 <Blu3> i know that rmmod ar6000 will break things for me
Jun 25 19:59:12 <yabo> so, Qi or U-Boot?
Jun 25 19:59:39 <PaulFertser> yabo: Qi ftw
Jun 25 19:59:41 <PaulFertser> :D
Jun 25 20:00:04 <lindi-> yabo: depends on who you ask :)
Jun 25 20:00:20 <lindi-> yabo: and what you want to do
Jun 25 20:01:41 <Blu3> i'm happy with uboot
Jun 25 20:01:51 <yabo> what does u-boot do better than Qi?
Jun 25 20:02:13 <max_posedon> yabo, don't ask such religion questions)
Jun 25 20:02:30 <mwester> :)
Jun 25 20:02:35 <lindi-> yabo: you can have a list of a kernels and kernel parameters and can choose those on bootup
Jun 25 20:04:08 <Blu3> i've no idea.  i've never used qi
Jun 25 20:05:46 <PaulFertser> yabo: Qi is faster in booting and probably in suspend/resume. Qi always does the same thing, you can't screw it's environment because it doesn't have any.
Jun 25 20:06:26 <yabo> fair enough. I have never needed functionality like changing kernel-parameters, so if Qi is faster, perhaps i would be better off with it?
Jun 25 20:08:06 <PaulFertser> yabo: i guess so. Also afaict Qi is more maintained than u-boot. At least i'm one of those who's interested in fixing Qi bugs as soon as they're found.
Jun 25 20:08:36 <yabo> cool, thanks
Jun 25 20:24:40 <yabo> to enter NOR you hold AUX before and while holding power. and to enter u-boot you hold power, then hold AUX+power. right?
Jun 25 20:33:45 <PaulFertser> yabo: (the second) to enter NAND u-boot menu
Jun 25 20:35:20 <yabo> right, thanks
Jun 25 20:35:29 <yabo> then i am off to try flashing
Jun 25 20:35:36 <yabo> bbs (i hope9
Jun 25 20:41:50 <rhaeder> hi. is there a feed available for packages on www.opkg.org ?
Jun 25 20:53:10 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * re9d65eede53c 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/alsa_audio/plugin.vala: fsodeviced: alsa_audio: throw INVALID_PARAMETER instead of INVALID_SCENARIO
Jun 25 20:55:29 <yabo> um
Jun 25 20:55:42 <yabo> how do i mount my USB-stick on gentoo live?
Jun 25 20:55:54 <yabo> it doesnt show up in fdisk -l
Jun 25 20:57:46 <PaulFertser> yabo: fdisk -l for what device?
Jun 25 20:58:31 <yabo> ...how do you change device? :p
Jun 25 20:58:38 <max_posedon> PaulFertser, usually its all)
Jun 25 20:59:08 <max_posedon> yabo, may be your usb-stick haven't partition table?
Jun 25 20:59:25 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: i'd no idea it works like that :D
Jun 25 21:00:01 <yabo> shrug, i just need to access the usb-stick to use dfu-util
Jun 25 21:00:16 <max_posedon> see dmesg
Jun 25 21:00:52 <yabo> ((I'm not a veeery advanced linux-user))
Jun 25 21:02:54 <yabo> i tried to mount /dev/sdb1, and got mount: you must specify a filesystem-type
Jun 25 21:03:17 <yabo> how do i do that? i reckon it is FAT32, since it is a USB-stick you always can remove safely
Jun 25 21:03:36 <PaulFertser> yabo: look at dmesg first
Jun 25 21:03:48 <PaulFertser> yabo: after that it's obvious what you're to do.
Jun 25 21:04:03 <viq> And assumption that you can always remove safely usb sticks AFAIK is incorrect
Jun 25 21:04:19 <PaulFertser> viq: even when it's not mounted? why?
Jun 25 21:04:58 <viq> Well, when it's not mounted then sure. But you need to unmount it, or under windows 'safely remove;
Jun 25 21:05:14 <yabo> only if it is NTFS, viq
Jun 25 21:05:28 <yabo> its safe as long as the stick is using fat
Jun 25 21:05:46 <PaulFertser> viq: who removes devices before unmounting?
Jun 25 21:06:00 <PaulFertser> yabo: no. Removing mounted devices is unsafe.
Jun 25 21:07:15 <viq> PaulFertser: see? ;)
Jun 25 21:08:25 <yabo> all is well. found another disk in fstab -l, and mounted with -t vfat
Jun 25 21:12:23 <PaulFertser> viq: i wonder how that idea could have crippled in
Jun 25 21:14:31 <viq> "It's USB, it's just like my mouse"
Jun 25 21:14:31 <PaulFertser> Hm, looks like i'm always using some wrong words :-/
Jun 25 21:14:34 <PaulFertser> And grammar
Jun 25 21:14:53 <lindi-> PaulFertser: now the bluetooth headset can be pinged but I can not turn it off anymore :)
Jun 25 21:15:10 <PaulFertser> lindi-: that's the headset's problem now ;)
Jun 25 21:16:14 <PaulFertser> viq: this logic is obviously flawed. "This external scsi hdd is scsi like my scaner, so i can pull it off at any moment". nonsense
Jun 25 21:19:04 * PaulFertser wonders why lindi- doesn't want to just try to use his headset with FSO as per wiki instructions...
Jun 25 21:19:24 <Blu3> even if it's FAT, you can only safely "randomly" remove it when it's mounted synchronously and there's no drive activity
Jun 25 21:19:28 <lindi-> PaulFertser: fso would break my gsm :(
Jun 25 21:19:37 <PaulFertser> lindi-: how?
Jun 25 21:19:52 <lindi-> PaulFertser: since i'd need to stop ogsmd to configure some other part of frameworkd?
Jun 25 21:20:18 <PaulFertser> lindi-: do you know you're not supposed to get audio on your headset connected to FR if you transfer it via USB HCI?
Jun 25 21:20:30 <lindi-> PaulFertser: i want to first get this work with my laptop
Jun 25 21:21:39 <PaulFertser> lindi-: it'd be interesting to know how did you test that headset with FR you were talking about. The one that lacked sound.
Jun 25 21:21:55 <lindi-> PaulFertser: with bluez4?
Jun 25 21:22:09 <PaulFertser> lindi-: because if you tried to feed it SCO samples over HCI without any tweaking you're doomed to have exactly what you describe.
Jun 25 21:25:23 <lindi-> PaulFertser: 1) sudo /usr/share/doc/bluez/examples/simple-agent hci0 00:02:76:D0:D6:F9 2) arecord -D bt_hw -f S16_LE | hd  =>  arecord blocks but does not print anything but wav header
Jun 25 21:26:17 <viq> PaulFertser: I know it. You know it. The unwashed masses don't :P
Jun 25 21:27:35 <PaulFertser> lindi-: CSR chip is configured to send and receive audio streams on PCM hardware interface by default. You can't access it that way.
Jun 25 21:28:27 <lindi-> PaulFertser: i need some specific alsa settings and then I could use arecord?
Jun 25 21:28:53 <lindi-> PaulFertser: or figure out how to reconfigure that CSR chip?
Jun 25 21:30:12 <PaulFertser> lindi-: the second
Jun 25 21:30:40 <lindi-> PaulFertser: any code on that?
Jun 25 21:31:05 <PaulFertser> lindi-: due to the lack of motivation i got by with this crude hack: http://paste.debian.net/40289/
Jun 25 21:31:46 <PaulFertser> lindi-: (the setting is stored in CSR's eeprom but you need to power-cycle the module for the change to take effect)
Jun 25 21:32:05 <lindi-> PaulFertser: so this will make it possible to use arecord?
Jun 25 21:32:20 <lindi-> PaulFertser: but I need to change this settings if I want to use it with GSM?
Jun 25 21:33:23 <PaulFertser> lindi-: (use arecord) if your headset is compatible, then probably yes. OTOH i'd try with hstest utility from test directory of bluez4 sources to make testing more reliable (read alsa-issues independent).
Jun 25 21:33:46 <SpeedEvil> On a slightly related topic - has anyone succeeded in playing music over A2DP?
Jun 25 21:34:21 <PaulFertser> lindi-: (change back the setting) strictly speaking, no. Just before using SCO you need to send CSR a special command to route the next stream over PCM. Not hard (probably trivial) to implement but i don't know if anybody tried.
Jun 25 21:34:46 <PaulFertser> lindi-: what can i say for sure is that i could stream music via SCO to a compatible headset after that eeprom hack.
Jun 25 21:34:50 <PaulFertser> SpeedEvil: yes, many people.
Jun 25 21:34:57 <SpeedEvil> K - not been tracking
Jun 25 21:34:59 <PaulFertser> SpeedEvil: there're some performance issues.
Jun 25 21:35:13 <SpeedEvil> I've mislaid my A2DP charger, which is annoying.
Jun 25 21:35:48 <PaulFertser> (probably something need to be optimised/pre-rendered for encoding A2DP data but otherwise it should be ok and some people are already using it afaik)
Jun 25 21:36:17 <Ar|stote|is> is there anyway to check if my AUX button is working?
Jun 25 21:36:25 <Ar|stote|is> i have FDOM right now
Jun 25 21:36:36 <PaulFertser> Ar|stote|is: i'd suggest input-events from input-utils
Jun 25 21:36:38 <SpeedEvil> hexdump /dev/inputn
Jun 25 21:36:45 <SpeedEvil> I think input4
Jun 25 21:37:19 <PaulFertser> SpeedEvil: yes, good advice. Easier than mine :)
Jun 25 21:37:32 <SpeedEvil> hexdump -c /dev...
Jun 25 21:37:38 <SpeedEvil> even aligns the records right
Jun 25 21:37:47 <PaulFertser> cat /dev/input/event4 works for me
Jun 25 21:38:05 <Ar|stote|is> and how am i supposed to check that?
Jun 25 21:38:28 <Ar|stote|is> the problem is that i cant get on the BOOT menu to flash my device.
Jun 25 21:38:29 <PaulFertser> Ar|stote|is: cat /dev/input/event4  then press aux several times
Jun 25 21:38:50 <PaulFertser> Ar|stote|is: have you ever dropped the device?
Jun 25 21:39:35 <Ar|stote|is> yes it fell down once and i am afraid it damaged the device since i don't even have sound now
Jun 25 21:40:06 <PaulFertser> Ar|stote|is: you can flash the device from a running system with nand_eraseall + nandwrite
Jun 25 21:41:23 <Ar|stote|is> is there a page on the wiki about that preferably under mac os ?
Jun 25 21:41:46 <PaulFertser> lindi-: if you want to know more about SCO routing, corresponding commands and eeprom settings, read http://case.cs.mnsu.edu/NSM%20Technology/141_HCI%20Implementation%20on%20BlueCore%20(AN107d).pdf
Jun 25 21:41:55 <Ar|stote|is> and have there been reported problems with the aux button after dropping the device or any other problems about that?
Jun 25 21:41:58 <PaulFertser> Ar|stote|is: gta02 is running GNU/Linux
Jun 25 21:42:33 <lindi-> PaulFertser: if this works we really should write a tool to do it so that people don't need to patch their software :P
Jun 25 21:42:41 <PaulFertser> Ar|stote|is: yes, AUX button soldering joint is weak. According to rumors, the fix (of the joint, if button itself is ok) is trivial.
Jun 25 21:43:19 <PaulFertser> lindi-: EEPROM setting works for sure. Probably even some tool exists but i couldn't understand where to find it or found it but couldn't understand how to use :D
Jun 25 21:43:39 <Ar|stote|is> i know but atm i can't access a linux box to experiment with it.
Jun 25 21:43:51 <PaulFertser> Ar|stote|is: can you boot your FR?
Jun 25 21:44:07 <Ar|stote|is> yeah everything works fine
Jun 25 21:44:12 <PaulFertser> Ar|stote|is: you can flash the device from a running system with nand_eraseall + nandwrite
Jun 25 21:44:26 <Ar|stote|is> ok ill read the pdf and try that
Jun 25 21:44:49 <Ar|stote|is> about the fix for AUX button does it involve opening the device and soldering it again ?
Jun 25 21:44:56 <PaulFertser> Ar|stote|is: the pdf? The link i posted is about bluetooth SCO routing, unrelated to your problems.
Jun 25 21:45:02 <PaulFertser> Ar|stote|is: yes
Jun 25 21:45:14 <Ar|stote|is> i thought it was about me. 
Jun 25 21:45:48 <Ar|stote|is> so is there a page on the wiki about using that nand_eraseall + nandwrite ?
Jun 25 21:46:09 <PaulFertser> Ar|stote|is: please report your findings about your AUX button! Especially if the button itself is damaged and how easy is the fix.
Jun 25 21:46:30 <Ar|stote|is> i will over the weekend.
Jun 25 21:46:46 <PaulFertser> Ar|stote|is: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner#Alternative:_using_nandwrite
Jun 25 21:46:56 <lindi-> PaulFertser: connection-less connections are an interesting concept :)
Jun 25 21:47:29 <PaulFertser> lindi-: :)
Jun 25 21:47:44 <PaulFertser> Ar|stote|is: but i don't think you can flash rootfs if you run from NAND.
Jun 25 21:48:08 <Ar|stote|is> Thanks again. I'll check it out and ask if anything else comes up.
Jun 25 21:48:21 <Ar|stote|is> i can't access NOR flash either
Jun 25 21:48:40 <Ar|stote|is> i guess i should try to fix my aux button first
Jun 25 21:49:19 <PaulFertser> Ar|stote|is: or boot from SD
Jun 25 21:50:06 <PaulFertser> Ar|stote|is: or boot from NAND and kexec a kernel asking it to use SD as rootfs.
Jun 25 21:50:27 <PaulFertser> Ar|stote|is: or boot from NAND and use some pivot_root (as initramfs does) stuff.
Jun 25 21:51:12 <PaulFertser> Ar|stote|is: or boot from NAND, flash Qi as bootloader and boot from SD (i'd prefer this way as the most simple and natural).
Jun 25 21:51:16 <lindi-> PaulFertser: initramfs does not use pivot_root
Jun 25 21:51:52 <lindi-> PaulFertser: (for quite some time)
Jun 25 21:52:21 <PaulFertser> lindi-: yes,  mount --move . /; chroot .
Jun 25 21:52:39 <PaulFertser> lindi-: but it doesn't change the idea.
Jun 25 21:52:45 <lindi-> PaulFertser: true
Jun 25 21:52:53 <PaulFertser> lindi-: i'd go Qi way for sure.
Jun 25 21:53:02 <lindi-> PaulFertser: i don't understand why they did not make bluetooth just a transport protocol. why does it need to know about audio and stuff
Jun 25 21:53:31 <Ar|stote|is> ok my AUX button doesn't work (cat /dev/input/event4 doesnt output anything). So how do i boot to either NAND or NOR if my AUX button doesn't work? Or do i try and fix my AUX first and then mess with the rest?
Jun 25 21:53:35 <PaulFertser> Gotta sleep, guys :( See you tomorrow.
Jun 25 21:54:02 <yabo> hi, I installed the vista-drivers earlier before flashing, and now after flashing the device appears as RNDIS gadget #2. I installed the drivers, but vista reports code 10 (the device wont start). what am i doing wrong/missing?
Jun 25 21:54:09 <PaulFertser> Ar|stote|is: you can boot to your NAND rootfs (you said it's working). Then you flash Qi for bootloader. Then you prepare SD and Qi will happily boot from that.
Jun 25 21:54:25 <PaulFertser> yabo: using vista? :P
Jun 25 21:55:07 <yabo> I'm not at home, which is one of the reasons i found my old freerunner
Jun 25 21:55:16 <yabo> either way, halp! :|
Jun 25 21:56:06 <yabo> oh wait, " NOTE: On first boot after flashing, USB networking can not work."
Jun 25 22:00:32 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03rehar * r5214 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
Jun 25 22:00:32 <CIA-47> openmoko: updated ECN0022 and ECN0010, chaged status to discuss
Jun 25 22:00:32 <CIA-47> openmoko: moved R4116/R4117 behind R4407/R4405
Jun 25 22:13:47 <yabo> gaaah
Jun 25 22:14:40 <yabo> did anyone have problems getting their freerunner connected with USB after flashing to SHR? I am told my device wont start
Jun 25 22:14:58 <SpeedEvil> the USB0/eth3 thing?
Jun 25 22:15:15 <SpeedEvil> is your FR now perhaps showin up as a ethernet, not a usb device?
Jun 25 22:16:10 <yabo> no, i am trying to install the drivers (on vista), but i get code 10: the device wont start when i try
Jun 25 22:16:20 <SpeedEvil> k, no idea, sorry
Jun 25 22:16:46 <max_posedon> vista?! nice joke)
Jun 25 22:18:19 <yabo> it worked just fine before i flashed to SHR
Jun 25 22:20:46 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03werner * r5215 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ecn0022.txt: ecn0022.txt: added ECN number in ECN0015 reference and corrected title
Jun 25 22:33:16 <yabo> oh yeah
Jun 25 22:33:31 <yabo> so i am trying to fix, the echo-issue with http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1486414%7Ca1518726
Jun 25 22:34:24 <yabo> devchannel.enqueue = ( "+CPAS;+CEER" )
Jun 25 22:34:41 <yabo> do i remove "+CPAS;+CEER" and add "%N0187"?
Jun 25 22:36:19 <yabo> the post in question is by Richy-2
Jun 25 22:38:53 <yabo> wait, devchannel.enqueue is commented out for me
Jun 25 22:50:21 <DocScrutinizer> yabo: this should be fixed for all recent distros for longtime now
Jun 25 22:52:36 <yabo> oh, alright
Jun 25 22:53:43 <DocScrutinizer> yabo: actually with current SHR even speakerphone works for me
Jun 25 22:56:25 <Abatrour> hey guys, i just submitted a patch for paroli but i dont know how to compile and install the latest version so i can test it out on my phone
Jun 25 22:56:54 <Abatrour> i am able to run it from the nfs share i have set up, and my patch works, but im thinking its screwing up a bit because i have 2 instances of it running
Jun 25 23:47:05 <MadTBone1> flashed om2009 testing5 from June 16... is usb networking still working?
Jun 26 00:13:42 <DocScrutinizer> that's probably better named eth-networking now
Jun 26 00:16:55 <DocScrutinizer> btw rather annoying as every device gets its own ethX network device name now. Nice to have 5 FR connected concurrently, but a PITA to connect to arbitrary devices via script/alias etc.
Jun 26 00:17:15 <DocScrutinizer> I'm already on eth5 here ;-P
Jun 26 00:29:30 <DocScrutinizer> well, most people probably will call that a luxury problem, except service which has to deal with a large number of FR
Jun 26 01:51:28 <slaxxer> yea well   my phone echos for the other party
Jun 26 01:51:53 <slaxxer>     i think i didint at a very recent point though
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