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Jun 28 03:45:58 <slaxxer> wasssup
Jun 28 04:10:00 <Cervajz> slaxxer: :)
Jun 28 07:49:39 <Krft_80> I have just flashed 2008.12 to the fr, but when I boot, it says "usb0: noIPv6 routers present" and nothing else happens. I have also tried to ssh into it while it stands at "usb=:..." but it will not accept the empty root password. Any ideas?
Jun 28 07:52:25 <Krft_80> I have the Qi bootloader....
Jun 28 07:54:59 <Krft_80> hmm it seems that there should be 231 ppl in the room... but no one is talking...
Jun 28 07:58:35 <Krft_80> I have just flashed 2008.12 to the fr, but when I boot, it says "usb0: no IPv6 routers present" and nothing else happens. I have also tried to ssh into it while it stands at "usb=:..." but it will not accept the empty root password. Any ideas?
Jun 28 08:06:49 <max_posedon> In first 2008.12 *very outdated*
Jun 28 08:10:20 <Krft_80> @max_posedon: Yup, I know but it's the one that works for me:-)(with Risto's kustomizer script). And I have just solved the above mentioned issue: Boot in NAND (? aux+power) choose boot and then everything is fine...
Jun 28 08:11:10 <max_posedon> ok, about your bug
Jun 28 08:11:22 <max_posedon> on first boot ssh/network doesn't  work - try reboot
Jun 28 08:16:57 <azaghal> Anyone gave Maemo Mer a try?
Jun 28 08:34:55 <leinirAWAY> azaghal: Yup, got it on mine :)
Jun 28 08:34:59 <leinirAWAY> It's very promising :)
Jun 28 08:53:14 <azaghal> leinirAWAY: How about responsiveness etc?
Jun 28 08:54:04 <leinirAWAY> Roughly like the other x based things out there - snappy in places, not so snappy in others :)
Jun 28 08:54:11 <azaghal> Heheh
Jun 28 08:54:35 <azaghal> Suspend works well? Battery lifetime/powering on/off the devices?
Jun 28 08:54:41 <azaghal> I might give it a try :)
Jun 28 08:56:52 <leinirAWAY> Suspends does not work, no, but it sits on top of ubuntu, so the debian based suspend things for freerunners would probably work :)
Jun 28 08:57:51 <azaghal> Mer's based on Ubuntu? Not on Debian?
Jun 28 08:58:52 <azaghal> leinirAWAY: What's the battery life then? (with GPS/Bluetooth/WiFi/GSM turned off)
Jun 28 08:59:11 <leinirAWAY> i can't really comment, i'm afraid... But yes, it's based on Ubuntu :)
Jun 28 08:59:17 <leinirAWAY> Not exactly my first choice, but oh well :)
Jun 28 09:03:30 <ccube_> wie gehts dir?
Jun 28 09:03:38 <ccube_> wee
Jun 28 09:03:39 <ccube_> sorry
Jun 28 09:03:45 <ccube_> wrong window :S
Jun 28 09:42:18 <PBeck> hi
Jun 28 10:22:04 <sybren> dos1: I've heard that I should ask you my questions about shr-contacts and friends ;-)
Jun 28 10:22:11 <sybren> good morning btw ;-)
Jun 28 10:22:21 <sybren> I'm running SHR unstable. Do you know how I can import my contacts from, say, a VCF file?
Jun 28 10:22:29 <sybren> I have no idea how the dialer, SMS app, phone log, contacts and incoming call/sms notification work together, so I also have no idea what it would take to start using a different contacts program, for instance.
Jun 28 10:22:36 <dos1> sybren: hey... yes, me, but only if you're using opimd :P
Jun 28 10:22:56 <sybren> dos1: I run whatever you tell me to run :P
Jun 28 10:23:29 <sybren> I just started using SHR, I haven't fallen in love with any of its apps yet - well, except mokomaze that is :)
Jun 28 10:23:42 <dos1> sybren: well, opimd is experimental subsystem to handle PIM data - unlimited storage for contacts and messages
Jun 28 10:23:53 <dos1> but it's very experimental, under construction and etcetera
Jun 28 10:24:28 <sybren> do you have any idea when it might become stable enough for daily use?
Jun 28 10:25:31 <dos1> sybren: dunno, but some "beta" should be soon i think
Jun 28 10:26:18 <sybren> dos1: in the mean time, do you have any idea how I could import my old contacts into something more or less stable?
Jun 28 10:26:34 <dos1> that's opimd:
Jun 28 10:26:38 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r4d803ea48108 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_contacts.py: opimd: Contacts: allow disabling merging from config
Jun 28 10:26:38 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r330210b63495 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_messages_fso.py: opimd: SIM-Messages-FSO: export parts of split messages in fields of stored messages
Jun 28 10:26:39 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * re81721ebb23a 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_messages_fso.py: opimd: SIM-Messages-FSO: export part of split message in field in incoming message
Jun 28 10:26:40 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * recf286161b1f 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_messages_fso.py: opimd: SIM-Messages-FSO: clean SMS-message-reference field on delivery report
Jun 28 10:26:42 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rab915698188e 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_messages_fso.py: opimd: SIM-Messages-FSO: add SMS-complete_message and SMS-combined_message on incoming split message
Jun 28 10:26:45 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r751a40be6e94 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_messages_fso.py: opimd: SIM-Messages-FSO: change True and False to 1 and 0 in field values
Jun 28 10:26:48 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r34e2cdd8a095 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_messages_fso.py: opimd: SIM-Messages-FSO: install signal handlers and SetSimBuffersSms on AuthStatus, not ReadyStatus
Jun 28 10:26:54 <dos1> ;)
Jun 28 10:27:31 <sybren> heh
Jun 28 10:27:59 <sybren> so what would be involved in setting my freerunner up to use it?
Jun 28 10:28:09 <lindi-> PaulFertser_: 'SCO mapping:  HCI' and how arecord records but it only gets zeroes :-)
Jun 28 10:28:47 <lindi-> PaulFertser_: hcidump shows zeroes only too
Jun 28 10:36:55 <lindi-> PaulFertser_: hstest record creates also a file with only zeroes
Jun 28 10:38:25 <dos1> sybren: wait few days, i'll announce how to test opimd
Jun 28 10:38:37 <dos1> sybren: now it has 3 backends to contactacts and 2 backends to messages
Jun 28 10:38:44 <dos1> contacts: SIM, CSV and SQLite
Jun 28 10:38:47 <dos1> messages: SIM and SQLite
Jun 28 10:40:07 <sybren> dos1: thanks! I've got a big test coming up this wednesday, so I've got plenty to learn for in the coming days (last test for my MSc Game & Media Technology in computer science, after this I need a year more for an experiment and a graduation thesis)
Jun 28 10:40:25 <sybren> in other words: I have enough to do to bridge a few days ;-)
Jun 28 11:35:00 <tschaka> hi guys. where would i put a script, which shall be executed before every suspend? i'm using omnewrotate on shr unstable from 24th June, but when in landscape mode the device goes into suspend, it leaves me with a black screen with a single white line on it, and i can only restart it by pulling the battery. i'd like to kill omnewrotate, run xrandr -o 0 before suspend. thanks :)
Jun 28 11:38:15 <SpeedEvil>  np: Grandmaster Flash - White Lines (Don't do it).
Jun 28 11:38:41 <tschaka> pah ! 
Jun 28 11:38:46 <tschaka> :)
Jun 28 11:38:51 <SpeedEvil> I'm regrettably unsure what actually issues suspend in recent OM..
Jun 28 11:41:25 <SpeedEvil> Is it frameworkd?
Jun 28 11:42:34 <dos1> SpeedEvil: OM2009?
Jun 28 11:42:41 <tschaka> shr unstable.
Jun 28 11:42:55 <tschaka> i got this device 3 days ago. so didnt dive too deep into it yet.
Jun 28 11:43:02 <dos1> tschaka: script in /etc/apm/suspend.d/ should work?
Jun 28 11:43:10 <tschaka> this white line thingy also just sometimes happens /too often tho
Jun 28 11:43:18 <tschaka> dos1 yeah i thought so, but it doesnt.
Jun 28 11:43:20 <dos1> SpeedEvil: in SHR it's ophonekitd, in Om2009 it's oeventsd
Jun 28 11:43:46 <tschaka> no effect. i tried with putting a script into it, which does "touch /home/root/test"
Jun 28 11:43:54 <SpeedEvil> tschaka: have you reflashed it? the normal om2009 that's probably on it is deprecated
Jun 28 11:43:56 <tschaka> but after the suspend and resume, it wasnt there.
Jun 28 11:44:08 <tschaka> SpeedEvil it runs shr unstable now. :)
Jun 28 11:44:12 <dos1> tschaka: is it executable?
Jun 28 11:44:16 <tschaka> ya
Jun 28 11:44:32 <SpeedEvil> I would ask about appropriate user, but :)
Jun 28 11:44:49 <dos1> tschaka: try to add rule in /etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml
Jun 28 11:45:37 <tschaka> can i put commands in there?
Jun 28 11:48:12 <tschaka> well i will investigate a bit further. thanks for your help for now :)
Jun 28 11:48:19 <dos1> Command('some_command') should work
Jun 28 12:02:22 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r0602e6407d46 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_messages_fso.py: opimd: SIM-Messages-FSO: use more fields when quering for delivery report handling
Jun 28 14:11:43 <slaxxer> morning
Jun 28 15:25:12 <TeNoVi> Hi! I have a little problem. I have been trying to flash my freerunner for a while now, but I just gets an error message. I'm using neotool. The error message is: Lost device after RESET?
Jun 28 15:25:32 <TeNoVi> Terminal says not at least 2 device changes found ?!?
Jun 28 15:27:26 <DocScrutinizer> TeNoVi: I suggest you use dfu-util directly, to get a more clear error message
Jun 28 15:27:35 <TeNoVi> The problem appeared after I http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Android_on_Freerunner#Modify_Uboot_as_Bootloader_for_more_than_2MB
Jun 28 15:33:18 <sybren> TeNoVi: after flashing my freerunner's USB is not in the state Neotool expects. When I unplug and replug (or just reboot into the menu again) it's ready for flashing the next item.
Jun 28 15:33:57 <TeNoVi> sybren, Yes. That's right. I know that. This is not the same case
Jun 28 15:34:09 <TeNoVi> Here is some from the terminal: http://pastebin.com/d1b8a7518
Jun 28 15:34:50 <TeNoVi> sry, forgot running as root :P
Jun 28 15:35:08 <PaulFertser> lindi-: i'm afraid you're facing the same issue i'm experiencing with my friend's headset. I'd try to load "sco" module with disable_esco option
Jun 28 15:35:47 <TeNoVi> Here is a correction: http://pastebin.com/d69a3ba76
Jun 28 15:38:06 <PaulFertser> TeNoVi: use NOR u-boot for flashing, it doesn't depend in any way on environment and you can't screw it.
Jun 28 15:38:32 <TeNoVi> I am using NOR u-boot
Jun 28 15:39:05 <TeNoVi> PaulFertser, I have tried with several computers as well
Jun 28 15:39:11 <PaulFertser> TeNoVi: use an additional dfu-util switch to specify USB device.
Jun 28 15:39:22 <PaulFertser> Opening USB Device 0x0000:0x0000 seem to be wrong
Jun 28 15:39:32 <PaulFertser> TeNoVi: so you most probably need to specify it explicitly.
Jun 28 15:39:36 <TeNoVi> PaulFertser, How to do so?
Jun 28 15:39:46 <PaulFertser> TeNoVi: dfu-util has an integrated help, you know
Jun 28 15:40:23 <TeNoVi> PaulFertser, Ok. Thanks. I will see what I can find
Jun 28 15:41:20 <PaulFertser> TeNoVi: also if it doesn't help try to connect with proven to work usb cable and without any additional (except the one integrated on controller board) usb-hubs inbetween.
Jun 28 16:05:17 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5236 10/trunk/gta02-core/gps.sch: Remove unused/not needed components
Jun 28 16:26:12 <andred> hey, i'm selling my freerunner (incl. buzz fix) in germany due to lack of time. anybody interested?
Jun 28 16:27:53 * [Rui] waves
Jun 28 16:27:59 <[Rui]> new elmdentica package, now more usable than ever :)
Jun 28 16:32:51 <tschaka> the wiki states about headsets, that several motorola ones would work. but motorola headsets are not coming with an 2,5 mm jack. whats the way to go there?
Jun 28 16:39:22 <PaulFertser> tschaka: almost any headset works
Jun 28 16:39:40 <PaulFertser> tschaka: just buy a 4-ring 2.5mm plug and solder it properly.
Jun 28 16:40:21 <PaulFertser> tschaka: some nokia stereo headsets have a compatible plug (but incompatible pinout, you'd need to swap 2 wires inside the case with mic and button).
Jun 28 16:40:24 <beniwtv> hi all... I'm trying to enable bluetooth on om2009 T5, I have already requested the resource via cli-framework and verified that s/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on is 1. However, with hcitool dev I get no devices. I found bug #1744, but that seems to apply to om2008. Also, on lsusb it seems detected and lsmod seems to have the modules. Any pointers on how to troubleshoot this? 
Jun 28 16:40:52 <PaulFertser> tschaka: but beware, if you want to use a wired headset for GSM talks, you'll most possibly have the buzz issue.
Jun 28 16:41:18 <PaulFertser> beniwtv: all needed modules?
Jun 28 16:41:52 <beniwtv> PaulFertser: bluetooth              91288  10 btusb,sco,bnep,rfcomm,hidp,l2cap . Anything else I need?
Jun 28 16:42:25 <PaulFertser> beniwtv: ah, check if bluetoothd is running.
Jun 28 16:42:35 <tschaka> PaulFertser yea, i know about the buzz issue. just wanted to buy one and plug it in for some music listening, as the original one sounds terrible, and i do hope that it's the headset, not the FR (and yes, i know about the bass issue, but it also the high frequencies sound crappy). i'm not into soldering at all :/
Jun 28 16:42:51 <beniwtv> PaulFertser: 1600 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/sbin/bluetoothd
Jun 28 16:42:54 <beniwtv> seems so...
Jun 28 16:43:06 <PaulFertser> tschaka: do you have the bass fix?
Jun 28 16:43:40 <PaulFertser> tschaka: i'm afraid you won't be happy with music until you do the fix anyway. :-/
Jun 28 16:43:59 <beniwtv> PaulFertser: heh... I just restarted bluetoothd and it's now working... That is strange, though.
Jun 28 16:44:29 <PaulFertser> beniwtv: yes, i'm pretty sure it worked for me in "hot-plugging" scenario very well.
Jun 28 16:45:39 <beniwtv> PaulFertser: So I just released the resource again, then waited and requested it again. No hci device. But if I restart bluetoothd it appears again...
Jun 28 16:45:42 <PaulFertser> tschaka: also i want to warn you that my Koss the plug (32\Omega) sound weird, probably because i didn't short those R's connected in series.
Jun 28 16:46:32 <PaulFertser> tschaka: (and i have bass fix)
Jun 28 16:47:12 <PaulFertser> tschaka: (that said, Koss TP sound ok in the underground, so if you want to use it in some noisy environment, it's ok)
Jun 28 16:47:30 <PaulFertser> beniwtv: hm, can you try directly with sysfs node?
Jun 28 16:48:26 <PaulFertser> And i finally found my Rockbox-capable sandisk sansa e250 again so i don't need FR to listen to the music anymore :P
Jun 28 16:48:49 <beniwtv> PaulFertser: hmm... I did a few release/request cycles and now it works every time... Trying with sysfs directly as we speak...
Jun 28 16:49:45 <PaulFertser> beniwtv: bluetoothd version is also of interest. I tried 4.30 here, never had problems like you describe.
Jun 28 16:49:52 <beniwtv> PaulFertser: That works as well now...
Jun 28 16:50:37 <beniwtv> PaulFertser: Seems 4.39 here
Jun 28 16:50:59 <PaulFertser> beniwtv: probably that might make a difference.
Jun 28 16:52:25 <beniwtv> PaulFertser: well, whatever it was... I can't reproduce it anymore. Maybe it just needed some time, I haven't used bt on the neo since 8 months or so :P
Jun 28 16:53:54 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03daveb * r5237 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (4 files in 2 dirs): debug connector complete
Jun 28 16:54:16 <PaulFertser> beniwtv: :D
Jun 28 16:54:29 <PaulFertser> beniwtv: going to finally try SCO headsets support for GSM conversations?
Jun 28 16:56:03 <beniwtv> PaulFertser: yep, I just saw some interesting rules in rules.yaml, and also I'm trying a simple bt gui in paroli
Jun 28 16:56:39 <PaulFertser> beniwtv: read the relevant section ("... Once again") on the page "manually using bluetooth".
Jun 28 16:57:21 <beniwtv> PaulFertser: yes, I was reading it before, because I wanted to know more about these rules
Jun 28 16:57:37 <PaulFertser> beniwtv: i updated it on friday with some "valueable" information.
Jun 28 16:58:07 <beniwtv> PaulFertser: Indeed :)
Jun 28 17:11:39 <lysgaard> Is there any way to change to usb host on SHR now? Tried fso-settings, but it's giving errors
Jun 28 17:14:07 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: shr unstable? What errors?
Jun 28 17:14:17 <lysgaard> Nope, not shr unstable
Jun 28 17:14:48 <lysgaard> Testing i think, haven't updated because I don't wanna break my daily phone
Jun 28 17:15:26 <lysgaard> PaulFertser: But does it work to you?
Jun 28 17:16:01 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: i don't think any bugreports for testing are accepted.
Jun 28 17:16:17 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: if you want to keep it, go ahead and use sysfs nodes directly.
Jun 28 17:17:55 <DocScrutinizer> lysgaard: update! wont break. (for flash at least). theres hostmode in connectivity shr-settings now 
Jun 28 17:18:36 <DocScrutinizer> works a charm
Jun 28 17:18:42 <lysgaard> DocScrutinizer: Is there? you totaly shure it's not broken?
Jun 28 17:18:46 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: are you on unstable now? Wow ;)
Jun 28 17:19:57 * PaulFertser wonders why germans misspell "sure" so fucking often that one day he might think that it's his version that is incorrect ;)
Jun 28 17:20:02 <DocScrutinizer> lysgaard: well it used to work last time I tested (iirc)
Jun 28 17:21:07 <lysgaard> docscrutinizer: Well, i'm on testing now, do i have to upgrade to unstable to get the bleeding edge?
Jun 28 17:21:10 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: there's a vinyl pickup made by Shure you find in 50% of that old thing called turntable ;-)
Jun 28 17:21:43 <DocScrutinizer> lysgaard: you need to flash new image. upgrade won't work
Jun 28 17:21:55 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: also some of their microphones are very good quality :)
Jun 28 17:22:03 <lysgaard> Okay, special one? Link?
Jun 28 17:22:32 <DocScrutinizer> as usual
Jun 28 17:22:56 <DocScrutinizer> shr-project.org/blafoobar
Jun 28 17:24:17 <lysgaard> Btw, gotta say I really love the SHR distro. It's so clean and only using elementary. Much better than all the gtk/qt stuff floating around (Y)
Jun 28 17:25:45 <max_posedon> hm.... shr uses gtk too
Jun 28 17:26:06 <max_posedon> (shr as distro) midori, tangogps, xchat, pidgin
Jun 28 17:26:23 <max_posedon> you can't run away from gtk/qt anyway)
Jun 28 17:27:32 <DocScrutinizer> gnarfkl, phonelog refuses to "call" my missed call :-(
Jun 28 17:27:57 <lysgaard> max_posedon: What apps?
Jun 28 17:29:10 <max_posedon> lysgaard, see list above midori,.. and many others
Jun 28 17:29:21 <DocScrutinizer> lysgaard: hmm, maybe it breaks occasionally. :-/
Jun 28 17:31:14 <lysgaard> Oh, well. You're offcource right, but atleast tho phonebook, dialer, thelephony apps are elementary, exept phonelog =/
Jun 28 17:31:24 <DocScrutinizer> no outbound calls (dialer or phonelog), inbound calls don't ring or show any reaction, though call goes thrugh (modem still registered)
Jun 28 17:31:39 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r554536e10150 10/fsotimed/src/ (bin/main.vala plugins/alarm/plugin.vala): fsotimed: (whitespace and style fixes)
Jun 28 17:31:56 <max_posedon> lysgaard, as for me shr is better because of other reason - its fso-based.)
Jun 28 17:32:11 <DocScrutinizer> might be #1024 5\97%\
Jun 28 17:32:14 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r1beac7a05c1f 10/Makefile: main makefile: add more subsystems
Jun 28 17:32:19 <DocScrutinizer> sorry
Jun 28 17:32:26 <DocScrutinizer> might be #1024 though
Jun 28 17:33:02 <lysgaard> Well, i see that as totaly essential, the other solutions are just hacks to get it to work. Like the qt based OM, not very portable
Jun 28 17:34:19 <DocScrutinizer> hehe, settings-phone says "on" and "Call settings: turn GSM on"
Jun 28 17:34:28 <lysgaard> I see shr has builds for the eten m800 too. Anyone knows how long has the kernel come on it?
Jun 28 17:35:14 <max_posedon> kernel isn't a problem at all
Jun 28 17:35:17 <max_posedon> gsm is problem
Jun 28 17:36:24 <lysgaard> Ah, no docs and reverse enginering?
Jun 28 18:01:52 <lysgaard> Well, the new shr had a USB setting, thanks =)
Jun 28 18:06:36 <max_posedon> lysgaard, gsm isn't easy thing to reverse enginering I think
Jun 28 18:06:53 <max_posedon> in other case we will have more linux phones.
Jun 28 18:07:01 <SpeedEvil> There are docs
Jun 28 18:07:10 <SpeedEvil> you even have full chipset docs for the GSM
Jun 28 18:07:19 <SpeedEvil> as they leaked
Jun 28 18:07:26 <lysgaard> Wow, that's good
Jun 28 18:07:30 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03Duncanla * r5238 10/trunk/gta02-core/io.sch: 
Jun 28 18:07:30 <CIA-47> openmoko: Cleaned up vibrator circuit to remove crossings and follow the 4-grid rule.
Jun 28 18:07:30 <CIA-47> openmoko: Added global label to the other IO cpu parts so that those signals can be used elsewhere.
Jun 28 18:07:32 <SpeedEvil> but not docs for the code
Jun 28 18:07:39 <SpeedEvil> which is the hard part
Jun 28 18:08:47 <SpeedEvil> err - ignore me
Jun 28 18:08:54 <SpeedEvil> I diddn't check backscroll
Jun 28 18:09:09 <SpeedEvil> The OM calypso chipset docs have leaked
Jun 28 18:09:48 <lysgaard> Hm.. Still have problems with the usb host. Dmesg says "unable to enumerate device" no matter what i plug in =/
Jun 28 18:13:37 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: host problems? (no matter what you plug in == your favourite usb mass storage stick ? )
Jun 28 18:14:07 <lysgaard> PaulFertser: well, that, usb gamepad, keyboard
Jun 28 18:14:40 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03Duncanla * r5239 10/trunk/gta02-core/io.sch: Removed TST text from test points in IO schematics.
Jun 28 18:15:20 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: ah, you mean FR doesn't enumerate your devices.
Jun 28 18:15:24 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: sorry for confusion.
Jun 28 18:15:45 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: do you use a straight 1-1 cable or some Y-cable like solution?
Jun 28 18:16:19 <lysgaard> I've soldered my own. Just a mini usb cable and a patch cable, cutted, and soldered together
Jun 28 18:16:53 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: ok, the same stuff works for me. Have you enabled generating power from FR for your usb devices?
Jun 28 18:17:19 <andred> i'm selling my freerunner (incl. buzz fix) in germany due to lack of time. anybody interested?
Jun 28 18:17:32 <lysgaard> Enabled generating power?
Jun 28 18:18:47 <lysgaard> PaulFertser
Jun 28 18:18:54 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: cat /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode
Jun 28 18:20:10 <lysgaard> PaulFertser: Well, theres another problem, ssh seems dead for no reason =/
Jun 28 18:20:24 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: ssh over usb?
Jun 28 18:20:29 <lysgaard> Yup
Jun 28 18:20:39 <lysgaard> And i'm not in host mode ;)
Jun 28 18:20:54 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: do it from vala-terminal then ;) 
Jun 28 18:21:59 <lysgaard> PaulFertser: Well, i've gotta get ssh working sometime anyway, is this a known problem, the frerunner haven't changed ip or something?
Jun 28 18:23:38 <lysgaard> PaulFertser: hostmode says: 1 so i guess it's on
Jun 28 18:25:12 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: hostmode in neo1973-pm-host.0 means you can't get ssh over usb, i guess.
Jun 28 18:26:00 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: also check /sys/bus/platform/devices/s3c-ohci/usb_mode 
Jun 28 18:26:26 <mwester> Err... how would it mean anything else?  If you are in hostmode, the g_ether gadget is not useful, by definition.
Jun 28 18:26:40 <SpeedEvil> PaulFertserless you go backwards
Jun 28 18:26:57 <PaulFertser> mwester: /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode only means that it will supply power. I'm not sure it will harm being a usb device.
Jun 28 18:26:58 <lysgaard> PaulFertser: Hehe, to clarify: I have 2 problems: 1# USB host fails with "unable to enumerate" 2# When in device mode, ssh won't work
Jun 28 18:27:02 <SpeedEvil> (and most systems can't)
Jun 28 18:27:20 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: you have only 2 sysfs nodes.
Jun 28 18:27:44 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: go ahead and check both of them in all modes you need.
Jun 28 18:28:20 <mwester> PaulFertser: I'd have to re-read the source code, but I think hostmode supplying power will indeed disable the gadget driver -- if it didn't in the past, that would be because of the missing code to detect loss of USB connection, which is associated with Vusb (and thus with hostmode).
Jun 28 18:28:24 <lysgaard> Looks like suspend is borked too =/ can't resume
Jun 28 18:29:02 <PaulFertser> mwester: quite possibly so
Jun 28 18:31:47 <lysgaard> Any of you have a link to a SHR and kernel combo that you know work for you?
Jun 28 18:37:48 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: you don't need shr for that to work. I'm sure it worked for me with the kernel before usb cable detection. Give me a minute, i'll try with the latest one right now.
Jun 28 18:38:31 <lysgaard> paulfertser: Thanks
Jun 28 18:41:19 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: just checked, mounted my usb mass storage device successfully. 
Jun 28 18:41:50 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: and after switching back, usb networking works again
Jun 28 18:41:53 <lysgaard> PaulFertser: Ok, then i can use the kernel and build installed atleast
Jun 28 18:42:24 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: i've 5b8138ba5c1dbc86 here
Jun 28 18:42:39 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: i don't think shr-unstable has anything significantly different.
Jun 28 18:43:15 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: echo 1 > /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode; echo host > /sys/devices/platform/s3c-ohci/usb_mode
Jun 28 18:43:19 <lysgaard> I think the problem with ssh lies on my computer, usb0 doesn't show up when i plug it in
Jun 28 18:43:33 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: and echo 0 > /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode; echo device > /sys/devices/platform/s3c-ohci/usb_mode
Jun 28 18:45:02 * PaulFertser has never used hostmode on FR for anything except testing
Jun 28 18:47:13 <lysgaard> I'm going to use it to something quite cool. I'm going to use it to control my rccar to drive a pre planned route by gps :D
Jun 28 18:48:14 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: Cool for sure :) 
Jun 28 18:48:45 <lysgaard> Using arduino to interface to the rccar, the freerunner takes care of all the calculations
Jun 28 18:49:17 * PaulFertser wished he had desire and imagination for cool projects
Jun 28 18:50:25 <lysgaard> Hm.. still the "unable to enumerate device" problem. But the sysfsnodes output "host" and "1"
Jun 28 18:52:37 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: hm, strange. Can you check your cable? Is it sufficiently shielded?
Jun 28 18:52:52 <lysgaard> Nope, not wery good
Jun 28 18:53:11 <lysgaard> I can fix it quick wit aluminiumfoil
Jun 28 18:53:44 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: that's a wild guess, but try it nevertheless. And check for a loose wire too, shit happens, you know.
Jun 28 18:55:08 <lysgaard> PaulFertser: Wow, now i got it. When i removed the insulation, the VCC wire had snapped, not strange i have a problem :S
Jun 28 18:55:32 * lysgaard pull up a soldering iron
Jun 28 18:55:50 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: i wished my problems were as easy to diagnose and solve, lucky you :D
Jun 28 18:56:22 <lysgaard> PaulFertser: What's your problem?
Jun 28 19:03:43 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: it's a complex multidimensional cross-field enigma involving IT, psychology, sociology, politics, religion and probably other academic disciplines as well. It has multiple manifestations and no clear solution. OTOH some friends (and Jefferson Airplane) tell me that i just need to find a girl to love. :D
Jun 28 19:34:57 <Fougner> hey!
Jun 28 19:35:06 <Majkhii> hi guys...anyone with gentoo cross compiled on fr? i have problem with compiling glibc :/
Jun 28 19:41:44 <Fougner> hmm, latest testing OM2009, paroli on FSO5.5. How do I get illume ? :S
Jun 28 19:45:15 <lysgaard> PaulFertser: You're not alone in that :D
Jun 28 19:46:31 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: fixed your cable?
Jun 28 19:47:11 <lysgaard> Yeah *good*, but apperently it didn't fix the problem *bad*
Jun 28 19:47:18 <tobii_> Fougner: Settings -> Display
Jun 28 19:47:58 <Fougner> tobii_, yes, I know that =) But nothing happens
Jun 28 19:48:05 <Fougner> I can't get to illume
Jun 28 19:48:14 <tobii_> hm
Jun 28 19:48:58 <lysgaard> PaulFertser: Man, getting frustrated, I've shielded it, and resoldered all the wires, stil it doesn't work :S
Jun 28 19:49:53 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: same error?
Jun 28 19:50:05 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: did it ever work?
Jun 28 19:50:19 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: have you checked Vcc with voltmeter?
Jun 28 19:50:23 <lysgaard> PaulFertser: Yup, failed to enumerate
Jun 28 19:50:25 <lysgaard> Nope
Jun 28 19:50:43 * lysgaard checks vcc
Jun 28 19:52:42 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: check pinout thouroughly too, good mini-usb picture is here: http://pinouts.ru/Devices/mini-USB.shtml
Jun 28 19:52:58 <lysgaard> PaulFertser: It's 4.9, should be good enough?
Jun 28 19:53:04 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: yes
Jun 28 19:54:12 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: and do not cross D+ and D- :)
Jun 28 19:57:24 <lysgaard> PaulFertser: Arrgh, having problems understanding what's wrong now
Jun 28 19:58:51 <lysgaard> Strange that ssh won't work either
Jun 28 19:59:59 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: sometimes i need to just replug the cable to get ssh to work.
Jun 28 20:00:10 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: it never bothered me enough to care :-/
Jun 28 20:01:20 <lysgaard> PaulFertser: Nope, nothing helps. usb0 won't show up :S
Jun 28 20:02:40 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: i usually workaround all the problems by going to sleep
Jun 28 20:03:21 <lysgaard> PaulFertser: Maybe not a too bad idea, just that it's a bit too early to go to bed here in Norway ;)
Jun 28 20:04:08 <SpeedEvil> Did it work before you started screwing with the cables?
Jun 28 20:04:25 <SpeedEvil> and does it show up on lsusb on the other side?
Jun 28 20:04:36 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: it is not time-dependent. Works even in the morning. Even when your neighbours use some powerfull drill.
Jun 28 20:05:28 <lysgaard> SpeedEvil: Yup lsusb shows the neo on my pc. I can also flash via dfu-util, so i don't think I've fried anything
Jun 28 20:05:57 <SpeedEvil> unlikely
Jun 28 20:06:25 <tschaka> lysgaard i've just read, that usb0 recently changed to eth1 or something. just a guess.
Jun 28 20:07:10 <lysgaard> tschaka: But that's my las cable interface on my pc..
Jun 28 20:07:18 <lysgaard> s/las/lan
Jun 28 20:07:26 <tschaka> then eth2 :P
Jun 28 20:07:38 <tschaka> just as a "normal" network interface.
Jun 28 20:07:47 <lysgaard> tschaka: Doesn't show up =/
Jun 28 20:08:00 <tschaka> with the corresponind number. K... was just guessing...
Jun 28 20:08:59 <lysgaard> Strange problems. I've just flashed latest SHR unstable, could it be that?
Jun 28 20:09:35 <tschaka> wait, ima plug my usb cable in.
Jun 28 20:09:39 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: did you reboot at least once?
Jun 28 20:09:49 <lysgaard> Yup
Jun 28 20:10:26 <tschaka> lysgaard now guess what ....
Jun 28 20:10:28 <lysgaard> Think I'm going to try to flash another kernel, maybe i mussed
Jun 28 20:10:29 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: as to sleeping i once read that it's recommended at http://www.a1b2c3.com/suilodge/metfor1.htm and the whole list of advices was so awful that i started to doubt it's a good way. That say, i still use it occasionally.
Jun 28 20:11:20 <tschaka> lysgaard no network interface here .... kernel is .29-rc3
Jun 28 20:12:39 <lysgaard> tschaka: Going to try flashing
Jun 28 20:13:02 <tschaka> ya. in the meantime i only used ssh over wifi. works like a charm and ootb
Jun 28 20:13:12 <lysgaard> PaulFertser: Gotta read that list
Jun 28 20:13:28 <PaulFertser> tschaka: the interface on FR appears when you plug it to usb, i guess.
Jun 28 20:13:37 <tschaka> PaulFertser yeah i did.
Jun 28 20:13:57 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: cult of the dead cow, whatever that means :S
Jun 28 20:15:31 <lysgaard> PaulFertser: What is this crazyness!?
Jun 28 20:15:42 * PaulFertser passes links to pages that can easily lead someone to depression instead of helping, shit
Jun 28 20:16:34 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: i think i read wikipedia about Slackware, then about Slack, then about cult of the dead cow, etc. Following the links, you know. So probably my advice to workaround problems by sleeping is very wrong.
Jun 28 20:26:04 * Weiss hands PaulFertser large amounts of chocolate
Jun 28 20:27:33 * DocScrutinizer adds some good coffee
Jun 28 20:28:21 <DocScrutinizer> and a glass of premium-class exotic fruit juice
Jun 28 20:28:49 * tobii_ got beer
Jun 28 20:28:50 <tobii_> ;D
Jun 28 20:29:23 <tobii_> really good beer
Jun 28 20:29:26 <PaulFertser> Hahaha, guys, you stole a possibility to resort to sleeping from me. Now i can try to finally understand that alsa hooks shit, great accomplishment. :)
Jun 28 20:32:19 <DocScrutinizer> paul, I simply am interested in calling execve or sth like that from alsa-hooks
Jun 28 20:32:25 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03daveb * r5240 10/trunk/gta02-core/cpu_power.sch: space caps a little, and actually connect them up!
Jun 28 20:32:41 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: i know
Jun 28 20:32:59 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: or for a first shot, just any abritrary lib function *not* in asound-lib
Jun 28 20:33:07 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: sure
Jun 28 20:35:01 <PaulFertser> Weiss: DocScrutinizer: FYI in reality chocolate and coffee appeared to be condensed milk and crappy tea. Not that bad ;)
Jun 28 20:35:22 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: AIUi the *.so name plus *function() name specify a lib function
Jun 28 20:35:32 <DocScrutinizer> (choc) heh :-D
Jun 28 20:37:04 <DocScrutinizer> (lib) then I only need to understand if and how alsa is able to pass correct parameter types to that func(), and how return() value is handled (i guess it determines fail)
Jun 28 20:47:20 <Fougner> d00ds
Jun 28 20:47:23 <Fougner> ffs
Jun 28 20:47:36 <Fougner> how do I get illume in the latest om2009 testing? =)
Jun 28 20:50:10 <lysgaard> This is my dmesg on my comp. when i try to connect to the neo. Anyone understands why usb0 won't show up? http://hpaste.org/fastcgi/hpaste.fcgi/view?id=6329#a6329
Jun 28 20:50:12 <tobii_> join #paroli and ask there
Jun 28 20:50:20 <tobii_> Fougner: join #paroli and ask there
Jun 28 20:56:20 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: so, looks that eth2 should work?
Jun 28 20:56:52 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: sounds reasonable as you say that already have 2 network interfaces on your desktop. 
Jun 28 20:57:29 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: usb0 is something that should appear on FR but your desktop should have eth? when you connect to it.
Jun 28 20:57:45 <lysgaard> PaulFertser: Ah, now i got it. I was looking for eth2 in ifconfig, but offcource it didn't appear before i ran the commands on the wiki
Jun 28 20:58:09 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: yes, but "ifconfig -a" would have shown it.
Jun 28 20:58:33 <lysgaard> PaulFertser: Arg, just me being to newb on linux networking
Jun 28 20:59:00 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: you just needed to read dmesg...
Jun 28 20:59:01 <lysgaard> PaulFertser: On the other hand, that means that nothings broken on the phone.
Jun 28 20:59:37 <lysgaard> PaulFertser: I did, and saw eth2, but i couldn't find it in ifconfig, so i assumed that something was wrong =/
Jun 28 21:00:58 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: btw, i don't think it has any influence but i'm using "moredrivers" kernel atm.
Jun 28 21:01:30 <lysgaard> Mkay, you have a link?
Jun 28 21:01:55 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: git.openmoko.org
Jun 28 21:02:06 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: i always run self-compiled kernels :)
Jun 28 21:02:17 <PaulFertser> (at least on FR)
Jun 28 21:02:58 <lysgaard> PaulFertser: I don't know how to compile it.
Jun 28 21:03:21 <lysgaard> Guess there's some cross compilation involved?
Jun 28 21:03:46 <DocScrutinizer> sure
Jun 28 21:03:48 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: yes, but it's easy. 
Jun 28 21:04:04 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: almost all popular distros have an arm toolchain precompiled in one way or another.
Jun 28 21:04:05 <lysgaard> Could i do it?
Jun 28 21:04:10 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: are you sure you need to?
Jun 28 21:04:13 <lysgaard> Arch here
Jun 28 21:05:17 <lysgaard> "community/cross-arm-elf-gcc-base 4.3.3-1    The GNU Compiler Collection" Sounds good?
Jun 28 21:05:32 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: yes
Jun 28 21:05:48 <lysgaard> And how to proceed then?
Jun 28 21:06:01 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: iirc some 15months ago it was a real pita, as you had to setup host system in a way it complies to the destination setup
Jun 28 21:06:29 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: beware, i assume it has armv5t gcclib so anything using it may fail on FR. It should be good to compile kernel and u-boot but not Qi or any other programs.
Jun 28 21:06:57 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: now it's as easy as it can get. Clone the sources, set one env variable and start ./build.
Jun 28 21:07:09 <DocScrutinizer> so the tale was it works with one special version of source distro, and you really need this particular one
Jun 28 21:07:11 <max_posedon> hm... I dislike "general" gcc
Jun 28 21:07:28 <max_posedon> armv5t gcclib is a pita
Jun 28 21:07:39 <max_posedon> with it you *must* use kernel fpu emulation
Jun 28 21:07:49 <max_posedon> and its 10 times slower than softfloat
Jun 28 21:08:00 <max_posedon> (on neo)
Jun 28 21:08:01 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: i doubt it. The kernel compiles in a way pretty much independent of the host, afaik.
Jun 28 21:08:32 <lysgaard> PaulFertser: What part of the git tree should i fetch?
Jun 28 21:08:37 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: i don't think kernel uses libgcc functions at all. Do you know something about it?
Jun 28 21:08:45 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: andy-tracking branch at least
Jun 28 21:09:01 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, except that strange error ESD is included to destination if existent on host
Jun 28 21:09:11 <max_posedon> PaulFertser, if there *any* floating point operations - it uses it.
Jun 28 21:09:27 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: are there _any_ in kernel?
Jun 28 21:09:42 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: ESD?
Jun 28 21:09:46 <max_posedon> I don't know
Jun 28 21:11:14 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: the Enlightenment thing, compile error esd.h missing or sth, and mrmoku said we need to include --disable-esd to the bb
Jun 28 21:11:41 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: yes, but we're talking about kernel compilation.
Jun 28 21:12:28 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, true. So meanwhile kernel is easier to compile than user apps? :-D
Jun 28 21:12:49 <PaulFertser> Sure, much easier
Jun 28 21:13:59 <lysgaard> Man! The kernel is consisting of many files
Jun 28 21:14:40 <DocScrutinizer> lysgaard: lol. You bet
Jun 28 21:15:02 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: but the compilation is automatic. It takes time, yes. But there're no dependencies, it greately reduces the complexity of compiling process for an operator.
Jun 28 21:15:47 <lysgaard> Oh, no deps at all? I remember i tried to compile a kernel maybe half a year ago, never got the stuff to work
Jun 28 21:15:47 <max_posedon> kernel haven't any deps
Jun 28 21:15:59 <max_posedon> its greate feature for easy compilation
Jun 28 21:16:45 <lysgaard> Hehe
Jun 28 21:17:38 <lysgaard> What time perspective are we talking about when compiling the kernel?
Jun 28 21:18:45 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: 15 min probably on a modern machine
Jun 28 21:19:11 <max_posedon> 5min if you don't want compile all useless modules
Jun 28 21:20:14 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: and 24hrs to tweak kernel config to find out all useless modules and then to understand which part of them is actually useful :p
Jun 28 21:20:50 <max_posedon> person who don't interesting in this, just shouldn't compile kernel at all
Jun 28 21:21:54 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: how much time does it take you to finally configure the kernel from scratch for your laptop?
Jun 28 21:22:11 <lysgaard> There's over 1 mill objects in the kernel repo, wow. 15 min issn't that bad. Not like full system upgrade on gentoo, that's more like 36 hours
Jun 28 21:22:22 <max_posedon> hm... PaulFertser kinda 10mins right now I think
Jun 28 21:22:33 <max_posedon> I really know my hardware)
Jun 28 21:22:39 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: wow, great experience :)
Jun 28 21:22:49 <max_posedon> hm... 6 years)
Jun 28 21:22:58 <max_posedon> (2 years for current laptop)
Jun 28 21:23:34 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: i'm compiling kernels for all my hardware for more than 6 years and when i tried to get a kernel for my laptop for the first time it took me a considarable amount of time.
Jun 28 21:23:52 <max_posedon> first time is always long, yes
Jun 28 21:23:57 <max_posedon> but 1. interesting
Jun 28 21:24:12 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: my first distro was slackware 3.5 on 80386, you do the math ;)
Jun 28 21:24:37 <max_posedon> 2. if you don't want know all about your hardware so just don't compile kernel yourself
Jun 28 21:33:13 <lysgaard> PaulFertser: Now my git clone is done, now what?
Jun 28 21:34:20 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: mkdir gta02; cp arch/arm/configs/gta02_moredrivers_defconfig gta02/.config
Jun 28 21:34:38 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: (that assumes you've already switched to andy-tracking branch)
Jun 28 21:35:15 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: CROSS_COMPILE=prefix-of-your-toolchain- ./build gta02 
Jun 28 21:35:48 <max_posedon> ARCH=arm also important, isn't it?
Jun 28 21:37:07 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: ./build script does everything needed, including that
Jun 28 21:37:10 <lysgaard> prefix of my toolchian?
Jun 28 21:37:32 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: yes, something like armv5tel-redhat-linux-gnueabi-
Jun 28 21:37:48 <max_posedon> ah, yes, I keeped regular make in mind
Jun 28 21:38:17 <lysgaard> I guess mine is "arm-elf-" then
Jun 28 21:38:22 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: also you'll need mkimage from Qi or u-boot sources in your path if you want to make uImage-compatible kernels. Qi can boot zImages as well btw.
Jun 28 21:38:56 <lysgaard> i guess i need that too then, i'm using uboot
Jun 28 21:41:45 <lysgaard> What do i need to do to get them? (Sorry, feel like i'm bugging you guys more than i should)
Jun 28 21:42:46 <DocScrutinizer> lysgaard: go ahead, I like to read the answers as well
Jun 28 21:43:57 <lysgaard> Well, PaulFertser said i needed some kinda mkimage from the uboot source, what does that translate to?
Jun 28 21:48:06 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: i fail to remember where mkimage in my ~/bin is from, sorry. I can say that Qi sources don't have it for sure, just checked.
Jun 28 21:48:30 <lysgaard> Should i change to qi btw?
Jun 28 21:49:54 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: i seem to be a qi fanboy so i'll refrain from answering.
Jun 28 21:50:32 <lysgaard> I'll take that as a yes. But what about the uboot menu?
Jun 28 21:50:46 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: you can either compile mkimage from u-boot sources or download it from somewhere in the net.
Jun 28 21:50:52 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: i don't need menu
Jun 28 21:51:08 <lysgaard> Why? You never flash?
Jun 28 21:51:49 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: i've NOR u-boot for flashing
Jun 28 21:52:03 <lysgaard> Oh, but then there's no problem
Jun 28 21:53:33 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: i know, i've an SHR build, i got mkimage from there.
Jun 28 21:53:49 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: need an i386 binary?
Jun 28 21:54:15 <lysgaard> Yep
Jun 28 21:54:45 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: https://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org/files/mkimage
Jun 28 21:58:07 <lysgaard> What do i use this bin to?
Jun 28 21:58:38 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: just put somewhere in your path so ./build script will find it
Jun 28 22:02:53 <lysgaard> Yay, started compile :D
Jun 28 22:04:05 <lysgaard> And stopped.. "There is no branch in the local copy of the repository right now!" Means?
Jun 28 22:04:23 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: have you checkouted the branch properly?
Jun 28 22:04:35 <lysgaard> Think so?
Jun 28 22:04:38 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: i mean created local branch based on origin/andy-tracking?
Jun 28 22:05:39 <lysgaard> Nope, I did: git clone git://git.openmoko.org/git/kernel.git linux-2.6; git checkout origin/andy-tracking;
Jun 28 22:06:57 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: please do git checkout -b andy-tracking origin/andy-tracking instead
Jun 28 22:07:50 <lysgaard> Worked! =) What did it do actually?
Jun 28 22:08:29 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: created a local branch andy-tracking based on remote branch andy-tracking and set up tracking of remote branch by the local branch.
Jun 28 22:08:30 <lysgaard> I didn't switch branch with the other command
Jun 28 22:08:34 <lysgaard> *?
Jun 28 22:08:50 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: checkout switches branches if you use it like that.
Jun 28 22:09:05 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: check the man page if in doubt
Jun 28 22:09:56 <lysgaard> PaulFertser: Ok.. There's so much of cvs systems i don't understand. I've never used them.
Jun 28 22:11:16 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: git is really cool. I'd suggest you to get comfortable with it. And don't think that some CVCS like svn is easier/better. ;)
Jun 28 22:13:39 <lysgaard> You're right. I've never gotten to fix problems in opensource apps. Not because i don't know how to fix them, but because i don't know how to get them submitted
Jun 28 22:23:00 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: i seem to understand now how to solve that alsa quiz. Unfortunately, i think i'll have to actually write an example tomorrow.
Jun 28 22:24:43 <lysgaard> PaulFertser: Done compiling =)
Jun 28 22:25:16 <lysgaard> PaulFertser: Can i flash the uimage in the gta02 dir to the neo now?
Jun 28 22:25:18 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: i told ya it's easy ;)
Jun 28 22:25:38 <lysgaard> Yay! :D
Jun 28 22:25:40 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: for flashing you'll need to add a DFU footer first 
Jun 28 22:26:00 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: or flash from FR itself with flash_eraseall ... nandwrite -p
Jun 28 22:26:39 <lysgaard> DFU floater?
Jun 28 22:26:41 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: i run from uSD, so flashing's not a problem for me ;)
Jun 28 22:27:49 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: you can clone Qi repo and look at the Makefile.
Jun 28 22:28:42 <lysgaard> PaulFertser: Are you shure i need anything, i think it's booting the new kernel now?
Jun 28 22:29:35 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: i'm not
Jun 28 22:29:51 <lysgaard> PaulFertser: Well, it booted all fine =)
Jun 28 22:29:53 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: if you could flash it with dfu-util, then it's ok
Jun 28 22:30:47 <lysgaard> Paulfertser: worked like a charm
Jun 28 22:32:54 <lysgaard> Paulfertser: Still the same old error though.. hehe, I really don't know what to do with that one :S
Jun 28 22:33:29 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: please admit i told you that i thought the kernel is irrelevant.
Jun 28 22:34:15 <lysgaard> PaulFertser: Offcource, I mostly wanted to learn a bit about compiling a kernel for the neo ;)
Jun 28 22:34:20 <lysgaard> Thanks
Jun 28 22:35:07 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: the problems you're having are most probably due to the cable i guess. 
Jun 28 22:35:52 <lysgaard> Gotta be that. Narrowed it quite down now. It's the only part that can be wrong
Jun 28 22:36:30 <lysgaard> Don't get it though, maybe it's the signal quality that's bad, i resoldered the whole cable
Jun 28 22:36:32 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: (alsa) great! :-)
Jun 28 22:46:31 <lysgaard> PaulFertser: Thanks for the help. Now it's time for sleep, hope that fixes the problem ;)
Jun 28 22:58:17 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03daveb * r5241 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (bt.sch cpu.sch cpu_power.sch): use horizontal text in preference to vertical
Jun 28 23:10:46 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03daveb * r5242 10/trunk/gta02-core/cpu.sch: more vertical labels on cpu sheet
Jun 29 00:15:51 <slaxxer> any luck with the 20090624 shr-unstable?
Jun 29 00:16:29 <kerm|t> my phone is falling apart, when can i expect the neo freerunner to be selling to the general public?
Jun 29 00:21:15 <max_posedon> kelvie, if you mean "ready to housewifi" - never. if ready for geeks - sells started 1 year ago
Jun 29 01:28:42 <DocScrutinizer> max_posedon: yup. ;-D
Jun 29 01:32:10 <slaxxer> if u have a sweaty ear  i think the salt eats the cool no-slip surface off:)
Jun 29 01:41:38 <DocScrutinizer> slaxxer: hehe, possible
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