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Jun 30 04:15:04 <CIA-45> openmoko: 03werner * r5258 10/trunk/gta02-core/kicad-patches/ (3 files): 
Jun 30 04:15:04 <CIA-45> openmoko: r1837 build failures were a local problem. Updated junction size fix for
Jun 30 04:15:04 <CIA-45> openmoko: r1846.
Jun 30 05:18:17 <CIA-45> openmoko: 03werner * r5259 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ecn0016.txt: Added reference to discussion of acceleration sensor selection to ECN0016.
Jun 30 07:22:24 <methril|work> good morning
Jun 30 09:32:22 <CIA-45> openmoko: 03daveb * r5260 10/trunk/gta02-core/io.sch: replace HLabels with GLabels, improve readability of some test points and Debug symbol text
Jun 30 10:20:13 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r38ce557347f4 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] lower threshold for waking Calypso up from deep sleep
Jun 30 11:32:27 <cgray> hi, I am thinking about getting a freerunner.  It's a lot cheaper from pulster.de than elsewhere, but I see it only has the A6 version.  Is there any way to know if that will buzz for my particular phone company?
Jun 30 11:33:15 <Weiss> not really.. i think it even depends on which cell you're in
Jun 30 11:33:49 <leinir> Pulster's phones will, i suspect, have been buzz fixed... but it might be an idea to ask :)
Jun 30 11:34:14 <cgray> ok, thanks :)
Jun 30 11:36:17 <PaulFertser> cgray: with an unfixed phone you'll face buzz sooner or later
Jun 30 11:37:05 * Weiss needs his FR buzz-fixing, but doesn't want to part with it for any length of time :(
Jun 30 11:37:14 <Weiss> maybe i should organise a buzzfix party in the UK
Jun 30 11:37:16 <PaulFertser> cgray: buzz is a hardware problem; yes probably with some phone company that works only on some particular frequency and while you're always in some particular place you might avoid buzz. But i wouldn't count on it.
Jun 30 11:37:35 <PaulFertser> Weiss: i thought you could easily do it yourself without any parties ;)
Jun 30 11:37:50 <cgray> PaulFertser: ok, thanks.  I'll make sure to get a fixed one then
Jun 30 11:37:58 <Weiss> PaulFertser: nooo... i'm not a hardware type..
Jun 30 11:37:59 <PaulFertser> cgray: buzz fix is easy.
Jun 30 11:38:10 <PaulFertser> Weiss: don't you have hardware-minded guys at university?
Jun 30 11:38:21 <Weiss> hmm.. possibly..
Jun 30 11:42:15 <cgray> are there any other major problems that I should be aware of before buying?  
Jun 30 11:44:50 <PaulFertser> cgray: not ready for end-users?
Jun 30 11:45:32 <cgray> yeah, I'm aware of that one :)  but it's getting close right?
Jun 30 11:48:22 <PaulFertser> cgray: right.
Jun 30 11:48:46 <PaulFertser> cgray: speaking of hardware problems: lack of bass in wired headset (even if you connect proper headphones).
Jun 30 11:49:20 <PaulFertser> cgray: inability to get maximum suspend time due to recamping bug (the infamous #1024), can be fixed in hardware. 
Jun 30 11:49:40 <PaulFertser> cgray: even buzz-fixed version will buzz if you use wired headset for GSM.
Jun 30 11:50:08 <cgray> PaulFertser: does a bluetooth headset work?
Jun 30 11:51:31 <PaulFertser> cgray: preliminary support exists. Some headsets are incompatible (hopefully yet) due to unknown (and hidden deep in bluetooth kernel modules) reasons. Also community is not motivated to test bluetooth support so no work on improving it is ongoing.
Jun 30 11:51:52 * SpeedEvil is motivated - but can't find his hardware.
Jun 30 11:52:19 * sybren is charging is BT headset right now
Jun 30 11:55:04 <sybren> btw, I know it's been deprecated, but I've made some improvements to Mofi. It now turns on the wifi power when it starts up, and the GUI is more responsive and stable
Jun 30 11:55:29 <ChristW> I only got some static out of my BT headset for now. And setting it up is a relative pain in the *$$ at the moment.
Jun 30 11:57:57 <PaulFertser> ChristW: hi
Jun 30 11:58:06 <PaulFertser> ChristW: i remember you pinged me yesterday ;)
Jun 30 11:58:36 <PaulFertser> ChristW: can you describe your experience in a little bit more detailed way?
Jun 30 11:59:32 <ChristW> PaulFertser: I did, but I was away at that time... and when I got back, I was out of time for the evening. Maybe tonight...
Jun 30 12:00:02 <ChristW> Anyway: I paired my BT Headset with QTEi. Pairing worked fine, but getting any audio to the headset proved to be a problem.
Jun 30 12:00:05 <PaulFertser> ChristW: i was sleeping the time you pinged me :)
Jun 30 12:00:12 <PaulFertser> ChristW: yes, sure.
Jun 30 12:00:25 <ChristW> PaulFertser: That's a good excuse ;-)
Jun 30 12:00:35 <PaulFertser> ChristW: do you want to get audio from SoC or from GSM?
Jun 30 12:01:10 <ChristW> _Maybe_ my headset is incompatible, it's quite an oldie. HBH-300 IIRC. I wanted to use the headset to make phone calls.
Jun 30 12:01:33 <PaulFertser> ChristW: i hope you do understand in details how that all GSM<->BT stuff works.
Jun 30 12:01:57 <lindi-> ChristW: hint: make your headset first work with your PC
Jun 30 12:02:10 <PaulFertser> ChristW: if you want to use it for GSM calls, you need to 1. load appropriate alsa state file 2. Use a trick to workaround kernel problem
Jun 30 12:02:23 <ChristW> lindi-: I'll put a BT dongle in my PC then :-)
Jun 30 12:02:43 <ChristW> PaulFertser: I did find a BTHeadset.state somewhere...
Jun 30 12:02:53 <PaulFertser> lindi-: so, have you already added BT headset support to Kapula? ;)
Jun 30 12:03:17 <lindi-> PaulFertser: nope since i have not managed to get it to work :)
Jun 30 12:03:19 <PaulFertser> ChristW: the wiki has a link to a working one. Manually using bluetooth "Once again ..." section.
Jun 30 12:03:48 <lindi-> PaulFertser: is there some way to test gsm audio routing without actually making calls?
Jun 30 12:04:08 <ChristW> PaulFertser: That was the section I was following, indeed... And having 'something to test' would be nice as well!
Jun 30 12:04:37 <PaulFertser> ChristW: and you'll need to do a trick after that: subprocess.call( [ "amixer", "sset", "Capture Left Mixer", "Analogue Mix Right" ] ); subprocess.call( [ "amixer", "sset", "Capture Left Mixer", "Analogue Mix Left" ] )
Jun 30 12:04:57 <PaulFertser> lindi-: i think yes, you need to prepare a custom state file to route audio from some other source.
Jun 30 12:05:27 <PaulFertser> ChristW: (this trick is already incorporated in FSO, for Qtwhatever you'll have to take care of that yourself)
Jun 30 12:05:40 <lindi-> PaulFertser: can you put the trick to wiki?
Jun 30 12:05:45 <ChristW> I'll dive into the Wiki again, after trying to see if my (ancient) BT headset will work with my (ancient) BT dongle on my (ancient) Ubuntu PC :-)
Jun 30 12:06:06 <PaulFertser> lindi-: hm, yes, but i need to find a good place for it.
Jun 30 12:06:27 <PaulFertser> lindi-: it'd be better to fix the bug instead :-/
Jun 30 12:07:30 <lindi-> ChristW: i had two usb dongles and only one managed to work (fully reproducible)
Jun 30 12:07:45 <lindi-> ChristW: so you might also want to try multiple usb bluetooth dongles
Jun 30 12:07:58 <ChristW> Mkay, I'll see if it works, then!
Jun 30 12:08:16 <lindi-> ChristW: iki.fi/lindi/bluetooth-headset.txt is the manual way to record from headset on a PC
Jun 30 12:09:53 <ChristW> I'll try to see if that works, tonight.
Jun 30 12:10:30 <PaulFertser> ChristW: are you a QTei developer?
Jun 30 12:13:23 <ChristW> No, just a user at the moment.
Jun 30 13:19:16 <social> how to make gsm turned off by default in shr so I can use moko primary as gps?
Jun 30 13:21:30 <PaulFertser> social: do not start ophonekitd?
Jun 30 13:21:51 <social> ah so I'll just remove it from rc
Jun 30 13:22:54 <PaulFertser> social: yes, by default all FSO-controlled resources are turned off. When some program requests a resource, it's turned on until that program releases it (or exits).
Jun 30 13:29:34 <max_posedon> ophonekitd doesn't present in rc
Jun 30 13:29:56 <max_posedon> its little bit harder to find from where it starts
Jun 30 13:31:35 <Ainulindale> max_posedon: xinit
Jun 30 13:31:51 <Ainulindale> But it should be in rc
Jun 30 13:58:49 <novalis_dt> I'm running SHR unstable and every time I get a text message, my phone starts playing what sounds like a staticky techno remix of a ringtone and it won' t stop until I boot it.  Any ideas?
Jun 30 14:17:30 <DocScrutinizer> novalis_dt: in settings-profiles change msg-loop to off. It seems msg-length has no effect
Jun 30 14:18:21 <DocScrutinizer> novalis_dt: this from one experience of same problem here. Not checked/verified
Jun 30 14:20:07 <novalis_dt> I'll try that, thanks.
Jun 30 14:20:23 <novalis_dt> Does that persist across reboots?
Jun 30 14:20:43 <DocScrutinizer> yup, should
Jun 30 14:20:49 <novalis_dt> Oh, wait.  It appears message loop is in fact already off
Jun 30 14:21:07 <novalis_dt> But message length was -1, which might be it.  
Jun 30 14:21:21 <DocScrutinizer> 7 here
Jun 30 14:21:26 <novalis_dt> I'll try changing it to 0.
Jun 30 15:04:27 <|Marco|> is'nt this a copy of the Neo1973?  http://images.google.co.uk/images?oe=UTF-8&q=samsung+beat+dj&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=syhKSoGcOsWE-QaHpaHfBQ&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=582499137
Jun 30 15:04:39 <|Marco|> almost
Jun 30 15:19:36 <sabrod> I agree with you |Marco| they are making money with the fun design, and the teens that will buy this phones are the kind of peoples that probably remember surfing the web and seeing a freerunner image... with some amazing technical details... 
Jun 30 15:19:59 <sabrod> Maybe some will buy it even with thinking they will have a fully openned device! :(
Jun 30 15:28:48 <|Marco|> sabrod: yeah, true
Jun 30 15:30:39 <sabrod> Maybe the samsung users will open it... ;) ( some drilling fix parties could be also planned, to have the original design ;) )
Jun 30 15:43:15 <CIA-45> openmoko: 03daveb * r5261 10/trunk/gta02-core/cpu.sch: remove duplicate cap
Jun 30 19:38:49 <ybit> http://www.youtube.com/v/cNu4CluFOcw&#038;rel=1&#038;fs=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;hd=0 :: AHhrrr, an augmented reality shooter
Jun 30 19:39:07 <ybit> www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvDWleKmhYs :: invizimals, an augmented reality game
Jun 30 19:39:19 <ybit> i'd like to make something like this for the neo freerunner
Jun 30 19:41:48 <Frigid> Hello
Jun 30 19:41:53 <ybit> need to modify the phone to use a psp camera or something equivalent
Jun 30 19:41:55 <ybit> hi Frigid 
Jun 30 19:42:33 <Frigid> There was this blog that had instructions on how to install OpenMoko 2007.2 on a Palm TX. Is there a way to do the same with the newer versions of OM?
Jun 30 19:43:49 <ybit> ttp://ts.fujitsu.com/home/products/accessories/multimedia/webcam_130_port.html :: equivalent psp camera
Jun 30 19:43:56 <ybit> Frigid: i won't be able to help
Jun 30 19:45:10 <Frigid> PalmOS 5 is getting very old :P
Jun 30 20:32:23 <tim_abell> hiya, i want to file my issue with my bluetooth keyboard as a bug. which bugtracker should i use?. notes: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freedom_Slim_Keyboard#Om2009 , thread: http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg48084.html
Jun 30 20:33:48 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: probably bluez?
Jun 30 20:34:09 <tim_abell> it works under ubuntu on my laptop
Jun 30 20:34:27 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: what X server do you use? Xglamo?
Jun 30 20:34:36 <tim_abell> how do i tell?
Jun 30 20:34:42 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: ps ax | grep X
Jun 30 20:34:45 <tim_abell> i just installed om2009
Jun 30 20:35:12 <tim_abell> glamo it would seem
Jun 30 20:35:36 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: then there's nobody who wants to fix it, so no use in filing a bug.
Jun 30 20:35:54 <tim_abell> how come?
Jun 30 20:35:56 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: there's Xorg glamo driver
Jun 30 20:36:20 <tim_abell> i'm not sure I follow
Jun 30 20:36:39 <tim_abell> my knowledge of X is limited
Jun 30 20:36:49 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: you say you're using kdrive-based Xglamo server.
Jun 30 20:37:03 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: but nobody supports it because there exists a driver for regular Xorg.
Jun 30 20:37:28 <tim_abell> presumably this was the choice of whoever packaged up Om2009?
Jun 30 20:37:38 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: so what?
Jun 30 20:37:55 <tim_abell> then would the people who created om2009 not be interested?
Jun 30 20:38:07 <tim_abell> bear with me while i get my head round all this
Jun 30 20:39:00 <tim_abell> as far as I could tell, om2009 is the distribution from openmoko and its community, so i've been running that one
Jun 30 20:39:49 <tim_abell> I don't really understand why no-one would care
Jun 30 20:39:53 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: OM Inc. is no more involved in FR development except for the hosting.
Jun 30 20:40:04 <tim_abell> uh, ok
Jun 30 20:40:29 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: community focuses on SHR. OM2009 is OE-based distro with Paroli by default (Paroli also works on SHR btw) and is build by one man, nytowl.
Jun 30 20:41:06 <tim_abell> you mean om2009 is a distro run by nytowl?
Jun 30 20:41:27 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: basically, yes
Jun 30 20:41:59 <tim_abell> interesting, i had no idea
Jun 30 20:42:40 <tim_abell> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions lists om2009 as an official distro
Jun 30 20:43:44 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: officially, OM inc is out of telecom business.
Jun 30 20:43:49 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: read Who is who page
Jun 30 20:44:52 <tim_abell> it's hard to keep up!
Jun 30 20:46:16 <tim_abell> thanks. reading... http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Who_is_Who
Jun 30 20:47:48 <azaghal> Who mentioned SHR 20090624 yesterday? (something about not working perhaps?)
Jun 30 20:48:08 <max_posedon> azaghal, many people report about problems
Jun 30 20:48:16 <max_posedon> plz try one before this
Jun 30 20:48:25 <tim_abell> PaulFertser:  so am I understanding you correctly that SHR is the main focus of the community these days and that I've ended up somewhat on the wrong track?
Jun 30 20:49:42 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: not wrong track. Paroli is here to stay anyway. And you can use it on SHR too. Just that if you want an FSO-based OE distro, probably SHR is a better choice. I recommend you to ask nytowl about his plans.
Jun 30 20:49:45 <azaghal> max_posedon: Unstable or testing, though?
Jun 30 20:50:14 <max_posedon> try one shr-unstable before lates shr-unstable
Jun 30 20:50:47 <tim_abell> PaulFertser: do you think I should move Om2009 from the official list to the community list on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions as I was a bit mislead by that
Jun 30 20:51:57 <azaghal> Ok, thanks
Jun 30 20:53:55 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: i think you should ask nytowl first
Jun 30 20:54:14 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: i'm not sure if he (or somebody other) intents to continue.
Jun 30 20:54:16 <tim_abell> ok, will do. thanks for your help. i'll give shr a go
Jun 30 20:54:29 <tim_abell> there seems to be fairly regular updates of om2009
Jun 30 20:55:33 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: yes, mainly due to Paroli improvements.
Jun 30 20:56:33 <tim_abell> that figures
Jun 30 20:59:46 <azaghal> I must admit, shr's settings app is nice.
Jun 30 22:20:34 * tim_abell is reflashing from om2009 to shr
Jun 30 22:40:46 <[Rui]>  any proficient "glib in C" guys around? what could my problem be? gconf_key_changed_callback doesn't get called when I toggle the flag http://pastebin.com/d10ee5d75
Jun 30 22:40:50 * tim_abell now has shr running
Jun 30 23:26:30 <tim_abell> anyone around who could lend a hand with my bluetooth keyboard now i'm on shr?
Jun 30 23:26:38 <tim_abell> i'm back to square one
Jun 30 23:27:02 <tim_abell> i have it paired, i think, but nothing shows in the terminal window on the phone when i type on the bt keyboard
Jun 30 23:27:39 <tim_abell> i've followed http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freedom_Slim_Keyboard#Bluez_4_method
Jun 30 23:27:45 <tim_abell> which is apparently supposed to work
Jun 30 23:29:32 <tim_abell> org.bluez.Input.Connect appears to be missing from the list of available commands in mdbus for my device
Jun 30 23:29:53 <tim_abell> and there isn't a packaged hcidump for shr that i can see
Jun 30 23:29:55 <tim_abell> sigh
Jun 30 23:32:09 <tim_abell> this is my last opportunity to work on this for ages
Jun 30 23:35:15 <Weiss> tim_abell: i see, but can't help (just so you know someone's listening)
Jun 30 23:40:49 <tim_abell> :)
Jun 30 23:41:07 <tim_abell> why is everything so damn hard?
Jun 30 23:41:29 <Weiss> in general, or on OM?
Jun 30 23:41:34 <tim_abell> in general
Jun 30 23:41:38 <tim_abell> mostly OSS
Jun 30 23:41:59 <tim_abell> though I would never trade convenience for freedom
Jun 30 23:42:37 <Weiss> i think bluetooth on OM is in need of someone to spend some time on it.. i don't think there is anyone at the moment
Jun 30 23:42:40 <Weiss> but i may be wrong
Jun 30 23:42:54 <tim_abell> it's annoying when people write things like "SHR testing (works)", and it doesn't for me. it's so tantalizing
Jun 30 23:43:03 <tim_abell> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freedom_Slim_Keyboard#SHR_testing_.28works.29
Jun 30 23:46:25 <sabrod> Heh, it depends... I personaly don't like automation that I haven't setup by myself! (the way windows or some non oss works)  ;)
Jun 30 23:48:12 <sabrod> K, sorry guys ... :D
Jun 30 23:49:04 <tim_abell> root@om-gta02 ~ $  mdbus -s org.bluez /org/bluez/1397/hci0/dev_00_0B_0D_8A_35_62  
Jun 30 23:49:04 <tim_abell> org.bluez.Input.Connect
Jun 30 23:49:04 <tim_abell> /org/bluez/1397/hci0/dev_00_0B_0D_8A_35_62: Connect failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod
Jun 30 23:49:06 <tim_abell> argh
Jun 30 23:50:24 <tim_abell> i never have enough time for this stuff
Jun 30 23:58:08 <tim_abell> nnnnrghh
Jul 01 00:31:53 <|if3> here's a question that someone must know :P
Jul 01 00:32:03 <|if3> is there a command on resuming the freerunner?
Jul 01 00:32:15 <|if3> I would love to set up my freerunner to resume from txts, not just phone calls.
Jul 01 00:32:43 <|if3> but I have no idea how to do that :o
Jul 01 00:36:48 <tim_abell> i think it does resume for txts. i'm sure i've had it play me a text message sound from suspend
Jul 01 00:39:02 <|if3> tim_abell, weird, maybe it does. im going to gram a sim card
Jul 01 00:39:14 <|if3> may be because I got impatient and turned my phone back on lol
Jul 01 00:46:30 * |if3 tests
Jul 01 00:47:07 <|if3> LOL
Jul 01 00:47:09 <|if3> WHOA
Jul 01 00:47:50 <|if3> i got a bunch of txts from randoms...
Jul 01 00:49:22 <|if3> but yes
Jul 01 00:49:24 <|if3> it does
Jul 01 00:49:28 <|if3> thanks tim_abell
Jul 01 00:49:33 <tim_abell> np
Jul 01 00:49:53 <tim_abell> i can't make navit display anything. meh.
Jul 01 00:50:14 <|if3> :(
Jul 01 00:50:21 <|if3> i love my phone
Jul 01 00:50:25 <|if3> :)
Jul 01 00:50:32 <|if3> still need to get service for it though
Jul 01 00:50:39 <|if3> and I still need to send it into SDGSYSTEMS :/
Jul 01 00:50:52 <|if3> I have that annoying audio buz that they need to rework, except I don't have a 100$ atm
Jul 01 00:51:25 <tim_abell> i haven't got round to it. i don't really want to be without it
Jul 01 00:51:55 <|if3> without what?
Jul 01 00:52:05 <tim_abell> without the phone, i mean
Jul 01 00:52:16 <|if3> ohh, no doubt
Jul 01 00:54:16 <tim_abell> i'd have to go back to using this pile of shiny rubbish http://www.intoget.com/images/4468-910i.jpg with its serial port emulating usb connection
Jul 01 00:54:22 <tim_abell> lame
Jul 01 00:54:33 <tim_abell> oh i forgot to mention overpriced
Jul 01 00:55:23 <tim_abell> sony ericsson p910i, a phone even the third world would return to sender
Jul 01 01:05:34 <tim_abell> still no bt keyboard, still issues with missing tiles in tango, no maps in navit, no wifi, gprs settings not remembered. I'm not having much luck here. Though I do like what does work
Jul 01 01:15:16 <tim_abell> Installing omgps (0.1-svnr90-r0) to root...
Jul 01 01:15:17 <tim_abell> Collected errors:
Jul 01 01:15:17 <tim_abell>  * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for omgps:
Jul 01 01:15:17 <tim_abell>          *  gtk+ (>= 2.14.2) *  pango (>= 1.22.0) *  libcairo2 (>= 1.8.0) *  libpixman-1-0 (>= 0.12.0) *  libfontconfig1 (>= 2.6.0) *  libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.78) *  libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.2.14) *  libpython2.6-1.0 (>= 2.6.2) * 
Jul 01 01:15:21 <tim_abell> shucks
Jul 01 01:16:16 <tim_abell> i feel like a pain, but i can't be the only one who can't get any of this stuff to run
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