**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 02 02:59:57 2009 Jul 02 03:35:52 openmoko: 03werner * r5271 10/trunk/gta02-core/lcm.sch: Made a few small corrections. Jul 02 04:08:31 Footprint drawing ends Jul 02 04:08:31 - Footprint review starts Jul 02 04:08:47 is this on schedule ?? Jul 02 04:10:26 gps, with current agps data: inside room under roof, best 3 sat:32,33,35, ttf:80sec -- on window, same conditions:47,44,37, ttf:20sec Jul 02 04:32:55 balrog-kun: no it doesnt - if you like you can get ssh access to my gta01 Jul 02 04:58:00 So … pulled my GTA02 out for a while after giving it a rest and I can't seem to flash it with dfu-util anymore! the kernel flashes okay, but rootfs bombs out with dfu upload error -110 (or -108 if I use a more recent version of dfu-util) Jul 02 04:58:03 Any suggestions? Jul 02 04:58:35 I'm using the same systems that have worked for me in the past… I tried doing a nand erase (which is usually required on my 01) Jul 02 04:58:57 right now I'm just trying to flash with 2008.12 though I started out with some other images earlier. Jul 02 04:59:20 (I've also tried flashing from two different systems, with different USB cables, etc) Jul 02 05:04:50 -110 usually means end-of-partition reached before end-of-file iirc. I.E usually you try to flash rootfs to wrong partition. check your -a parameter Jul 02 05:06:44 how long does it take from shooting dfu-util until error? Jul 02 05:07:00 A long time, but sure enough I wasn't providing a -a on that system. Jul 02 05:07:06 (I had been on the one getting -108) Jul 02 05:09:16 err, sorry. I don't get it. "dfu-util -a rootfs ..." so what means "sure enough I wasn't providing a -a"? Jul 02 05:09:54 I mean I was using dfu-util without a -a paramter at all.. re-running on that system with -a rootfs now. Jul 02 05:09:56 also a long time is a very fuzzy data Jul 02 05:10:31 "Several minutes" ... I'm running it inside time now so if it bombs again I'll have a more concrete value. Jul 02 05:11:08 hmm, I *never* tried to dfu-util without -a. Wonder what's going to hapen then Jul 02 05:11:52 well, it didn't kill the bootloader at least. Jul 02 05:11:55 :) Jul 02 05:12:20 several minutes otoh sounds like several MB to flash until error - so it's probably not flashing to kernel-partition etc Jul 02 05:13:09 Right, it was longer than the kernel flashes were taking (which did have the right parameter) Jul 02 05:14:28 iirc either shell or uboot-screen tell which partition is used to flash actually Jul 02 05:14:40 you might want to take a look Jul 02 05:14:48 well *now* it says rootfs Jul 02 05:14:52 didn't look before. :) Jul 02 05:15:38 what's the size of the image file you try to flash? Jul 02 05:16:58 77MiB Jul 02 05:17:08 sounds about right Jul 02 05:17:43 did you compare to the filesize listed at download site? Jul 02 05:19:17 !@#!@ Jul 02 05:20:48 fail? Jul 02 05:20:51 I'm not sure how but the file I have is substantially larger than the one on the site. Jul 02 05:21:02 hehe Jul 02 05:21:17 explains a lot, no? ;-P Jul 02 05:21:20 .... and larger than the one currently being downloaded by the exact same wget command line I used the first time. (i.e. I just reinvoked it from my shell history) Jul 02 05:22:28 strange Jul 02 05:22:50 I wonder if at some point I invoked the dfu download command and overwrote the image? Jul 02 05:23:38 that might well be a possibility Jul 02 05:24:27 download is broken according even to manpage of dfu-util Jul 02 05:25:40 err -Upload that is Jul 02 05:25:59 Er, right. in DFU parlance. Jul 02 05:26:02 I always mix these Jul 02 05:26:31 Yes, it looks like thats what I did. doh. Lets just hope thats it. Jul 02 05:26:41 for sure Jul 02 05:28:15 did you actually try to boot the system after the -110 Downlowd? Jul 02 05:28:55 It's supposed to restore your previously -Uploaded system Jul 02 05:29:39 Well, the system was not booting when I powered it back up. I have no clue what oddball image I had on it when I last used it. Jul 02 05:29:47 So it may well have been, but I couldn't tell. Jul 02 05:29:51 probably your actual filesize should have been 256MB then Jul 02 05:30:03 It wasn't though… odd. Jul 02 05:31:13 how many "#" now? Jul 02 05:31:50 Many. Jul 02 05:31:51 :) Jul 02 05:32:17 I think target are 50 Jul 02 05:32:52 Sorry, I'd have to start up x2x to copy it over.. It's a bit over half my terminal including the "starting download".. the terminal is ~ about 70 characters. Jul 02 05:37:04 I'm really tempted to patch dfu-util to include a nnn% and ETA display Jul 02 05:37:40 I don't remember it taking this long in the past… though really I've mostly not paid attention to it while flashing. Jul 02 05:39:01 aah, it's so F*CKING slow, I can't believe that's max speed the hw can reach Jul 02 05:39:40 I think my last time dfu-util took ~25min Jul 02 05:39:58 it finished, now doing the kernel... Jul 02 05:40:03 At least thats quick. Jul 02 05:40:31 don't mess with -a ;-) Jul 02 05:41:09 hm? shouldn't the kernel be -a kernel ? Jul 02 05:41:21 yup Jul 02 05:41:58 now I get to hope that it actually boots... sitting at the openmoko screen Jul 02 05:44:36 hopefully I'm also remembering the boot time to be far shorter than it actually is… Jul 02 05:46:08 first boot takes ages Jul 02 05:48:06 anyway, every now and then it should spit a line on console Jul 02 05:48:58 any progress? Jul 02 05:49:10 wtf! it was still in the bootloader Jul 02 05:49:24 huh? Jul 02 05:49:24 I connected to the usb console.. got the bootloader prompt Jul 02 05:49:34 typed boot and it poof kernel messages appeared Jul 02 05:50:08 hmm, seems you changed default boot env vars Jul 02 05:52:24 Not sure how I did that, but it explains why it wasn't booting when I powered it up again. Jul 02 05:52:33 I see how to change them… Jul 02 05:52:38 or you flashed some rubish to the env partition ;-P Jul 02 05:53:38 though I don't assume it was able to boot at all then Jul 02 05:54:01 it went out to lunch after starting the kernel Jul 02 05:55:05 hmm, maybe some "cant mount root-fs" errormsg? Jul 02 05:56:07 or is it just udev idling - thats known to take some minutes ;) Jul 02 05:57:20 the content of the env partition looks reasonable, but there is no timeout set. Jul 02 05:57:23 oh.. Jul 02 05:57:25 it's up now. Jul 02 05:57:26 woo. Jul 02 05:57:35 hehe Jul 02 05:59:34 so have fun :) Me going to nap now Jul 02 05:59:38 Thanks! Jul 02 05:59:46 np Jul 02 07:31:12 I am trying to fetch information of the number of messages on the SIM card on FSO? Jul 02 07:34:42 Daramarak: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.GetMessagebookInfo Jul 02 07:56:41 thank you paul! Jul 02 07:58:19 Daramarak: welcome Jul 02 08:01:52 PaulFertser: Spaces separates the three lines? Jul 02 08:02:08 Daramarak: what three lines? Jul 02 08:02:13 Daramarak: you probably want to use python Jul 02 08:02:22 Daramarak: and not parse output of mdbus manually Jul 02 08:03:06 ok Jul 02 08:03:30 There is a sample of mdbus on python in the wiki right? Jul 02 08:03:43 Daramarak: mdbus is CLI Jul 02 08:03:54 Daramarak: you are supposed to use python directly. Jul 02 08:04:15 Daramarak: read Zhone source code, it works as an example. Jul 02 08:04:48 ok ill have a look Jul 02 08:06:12 I get an Error.UnknownMethod on you cli lines Paul... Jul 02 08:07:40 Daramarak: http://paste.debian.net/40803/ Jul 02 08:07:56 sorry paul, my bad... Jul 02 08:09:39 I get a python dictionary out. first:1 last:15 used:15 does this mean that the sim is full? Jul 02 08:14:53 Daramarak: yes Jul 02 08:15:12 Daramarak: hm, probably not, sorry Jul 02 08:15:26 Daramarak: you know where FSO api is described, don't you? Jul 02 08:15:35 I know now ;) Jul 02 08:16:09 PaulFertser: I am tracking a bug in paroli, its my first, so I am quite green Jul 02 08:18:36 Daramarak: good luck with that :) Jul 02 09:58:02 openmoko: 03daveb * r5272 10/trunk/gta02-core/io.sch: correct misslabelled resistor Jul 02 10:08:47 hmm is it safe to run opkg update on shr unstable at the moment or am I in for a world of pain and reflashing? Jul 02 10:15:36 tig|: make sure you have enough swap space (I use 128M on my SD) before you do that Jul 02 10:15:57 tig|: and remove navit if you have it installed, then upgrade, then install navit again Jul 02 10:17:04 sybren: I was more concerned about frameworkd et all as sometimes they are broken when in heavy development Jul 02 10:17:25 I was going to use that script to update 10 packages at a time instead :) Jul 02 10:17:41 not got around to navit yet :) Jul 02 10:17:55 10 packages at a time instead of using swap is pushing it Jul 02 10:18:16 I'd go for the swap, my entire freerunner runs better now that it can swap some stuff away sometimes Jul 02 10:33:25 openmoko: 03daveb * r5273 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (audio.sch bt.sch cpu.sch memory.sch usb.sch): add missing component annotations **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 02 10:34:15 2009 Jul 02 10:39:49 openmoko: 03daveb * r5274 10/trunk/gta02-core/audio.sch: add missing annotations Jul 02 11:33:33 openmoko: 03daveb * r5275 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (bt.sch cpu.sch io.sch lcm.sch sd-sim.sch): Jul 02 11:33:33 openmoko: various small fixes Jul 02 11:33:33 openmoko: - remove duplicate components Jul 02 11:33:33 openmoko: - consistent global labels Jul 02 11:33:33 openmoko: - debug connector labels Jul 02 11:33:34 openmoko: - rearrage osscilator for clarity Jul 02 11:43:33 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rbdcd9fff733e 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_messages_fso.py: opimd: SIM-Messages-FSO: check if status-report-request is 1 when handling receipt Jul 02 12:52:10 openmoko: 03werner * r5276 10/trunk/gta02-core/STATUS: Werner reviewed SD & SIM, rev 5275. Jul 02 12:57:33 <[Rui]> anyone knows how gprs works on Om2009t5 ? Jul 02 12:58:00 <[Rui]> if I have a gprs connection, what happens when I receive a call? Jul 02 13:01:22 this largely depends on your network Jul 02 13:01:40 here in germany, it's like that: Jul 02 13:01:51 if the gprs connection is idle, it's 50% chances you get the call Jul 02 13:02:02 50% chances the call will be redirected to your mailbox Jul 02 13:02:06 if your gprs connection is busy Jul 02 13:02:12 5% chance you get the call Jul 02 13:02:15 95% chance you get redirected Jul 02 13:02:21 and no, this is not a Calypso problem (this time) Jul 02 13:05:12 openmoko: 03daveb * r5277 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (bt.sch sd-sim.sch): rename R7901 inductor to L7901. Fix a couple of bugs from Werner's review. Jul 02 13:06:30 <[Rui]> mickey|bbiab: thank you, so it means I will not buy gprs from my operator Jul 02 13:06:47 <[Rui]> it's too expensive to be bought per megabyte/connection Jul 02 13:07:02 <[Rui]> oh... why isn't free wifi more available in Portugal :( Jul 02 13:17:09 mickeyl: i think there is a bug in libeflvala with GenlistItemLabelGetFunc delegate Jul 02 13:18:07 mickeyl: the "part" argument contains random crap for me instead of the part-string Jul 02 15:09:50 openmoko: 03werner * r5278 10/trunk/gta02-core/lcm.sch: Found and removed the "missing" ground :) Jul 02 16:45:40 Hi, I guess it's not possible to have shr-messages store SMSes on phone memory (or SD card) and not on SIM ? Jul 02 16:47:19 if I want to transltate qt moko to danish how to I start during that? Jul 02 16:48:03 beer__, step 1: Learn Danish. I recommend the Berlitz tapes (well, I have no idea how their Danish tapes are, but the Japanese tapes served me pretty well) Jul 02 16:50:14 I think my danish is good enough for the job (no need for tabes) but it was more the tecnical things I was after. How to I get the strings there needed to be translated, how do I summit them ets? Jul 02 16:53:18 Bert_2: opimd (author dos1) should be able to do that Jul 02 16:53:59 Bert_2: well, i'm not really author of opimd, but i'm developing it :P Jul 02 16:54:11 and now i have over 1100 messages in SQLite database Jul 02 16:54:28 (i'm using my test scripts as daily messaging apps) Jul 02 16:54:53 i think i'll announce that scripts soon Jul 02 16:55:44 (after writing support for sending long messages, and maybe sending with UCS-2 [IIRC] charset) Jul 02 17:07:52 dos1: Is any of your work available in the SHR unstables by now? Jul 02 17:08:13 What are the scripts for? (joined a bit late) Jul 02 17:08:29 bove_: well, opimd is part of frameworkd Jul 02 17:09:07 azaghal: there is no app which uses opimd interface for maintaining messages, so i needed some scripts for that (python apps) Jul 02 17:10:18 bove_: it's available in SHR, but AFAIK it's really old version in repo. Wait until announce - then i'll check, if everything is in repo and easy to install :) Jul 02 17:10:47 dos1: I want to use the freerunner for a day or two this weekend, but I will need support for a ton of contacts Jul 02 17:11:30 bove_: contacts should be supported with libframeworkd-phonegui-efl2 Jul 02 17:13:23 is that the current version in shr Jul 02 17:19:08 I'm trying om2009 now, but I can't use kinetic scrolling without clicking on items. Is this a known problem? Jul 02 17:21:00 bove_: by default in SHR libframeworkd-phonegui-efl is used, not -efl2 Jul 02 17:21:38 ok Jul 02 17:26:43 hi all Jul 02 17:27:25 shaw wow! http://twincitystories.com/blog/2009/03/28/vince-shlomi-shamwow-pitchman-arrested-for-battering-hooker/ Jul 02 17:28:27 I just flashed the latest 2009 unstable and when booting illume and paroli load...but then paroli has the "loading..." overlay on top of it infinitely. I tried killing and restarting paroli...but it does the same thing Jul 02 17:28:33 is anyone else experiencing this? Jul 02 17:44:23 has anyone flashed 2009 recently and can confirm or not that behavior? Jul 02 17:44:50 *2009 unstable Jul 02 17:52:19 flashed it yesterday Jul 02 17:52:33 boots "fine" Jul 02 17:53:13 as long as I use a SIM card Jul 02 17:56:04 Any quick hint on how to enable bluetooth on Debian? I have to catch the bus in a few minutes, and I need GPRS Jul 02 17:56:16 I did mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerControl/Bluetooth SetPower 1 Jul 02 17:56:39 and mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.SetResourcePolicy Bluetooth enabled Jul 02 17:56:45 and hcitool dev returns no devices Jul 02 17:58:56 huh....wonder whats going on with mine then... Jul 02 18:02:09 What's needed for Bluetooth Jul 02 18:02:28 hey kerm|t http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWRyj5cHIQA Jul 02 18:02:45 thrashold: PAN network? Jul 02 18:03:10 lindi-: I have something like that runing which I don't need,s hould I kill it? Jul 02 18:03:10 thrashold: iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/bluetooth.txt Jul 02 18:03:21 thrashold: what do you want to do with bluetooth? Jul 02 18:03:51 Use the modem of my other phone Jul 02 18:04:04 thrashold: from freerunner? Jul 02 18:04:11 yes Jul 02 18:04:14 thrashold: why not use freerunner's calypso? Jul 02 18:04:34 THat would be last resort if I don't manage to start bluetooth Jul 02 18:04:52 thrashold: you want ppp over rfcomm probably then Jul 02 18:05:13 I have set this up, but bluetooth is not working Jul 02 18:05:24 thrashold: did you load the modules and powerup? Jul 02 18:05:36 Yes Jul 02 18:05:37 OK Jul 02 18:05:38 Fixed it Jul 02 18:05:42 had to rmmod ohci-hcd Jul 02 18:07:15 what is the command line call to see if a sim card is detected in the phone? (I'm on 2009) Jul 02 18:34:01 hello ppl Jul 02 18:35:27 i have a questin reguarding dependancies while source compiling something in debian on my fr Jul 02 18:39:01 bxyrk: go on Jul 02 18:40:13 i'm working on compiling airpwn and one of the dependancies is openssl... what package would that correspond to... possibly? Jul 02 18:41:10 i couldn't find a .deb in my current repos whose name was *openssl*dev without other program names included Jul 02 18:41:37 i was wondering if i maybe needed to take another look at my repos and maybe i'm missing one... Jul 02 18:42:39 bxyrk: what's that stuff you're compiling? I hope you know that FR's integrated wlan module doesn't support monitor mode? Jul 02 18:43:17 absolutely.. i've recompiled the kernel to support all the usb wifi adaptors i own so i can use those for monitor/injecting Jul 02 18:43:29 airpwn... google it.. funny stuff Jul 02 18:44:19 it took a while to be able to menuconfig... but it wa worth it.. kismet w/gps on a phone rocks Jul 02 18:44:23 bxyrk: you need libssl-dev Jul 02 18:44:47 duh... thanks man.. i feel special...lol Jul 02 18:45:04 bxyrk: wanna know how i found it? Jul 02 18:45:25 bxyrk: why do you feel special? Jul 02 18:46:11 that's just too obvious for me to have missed it.. lol Jul 02 18:46:15 how? Jul 02 18:47:17 bxyrk: went to packages.debian.org, looked at libssl0.9.8, on the right saw similar packages ;) Jul 02 18:47:53 i didn't even think about libssl.. i was searching my cache for openssl.... lol Jul 02 18:49:10 awesome... you think anyone would be interested in getting either my kernel .config or kernel+modules? Jul 02 18:49:53 bxyrk: what's special about your config? Jul 02 18:50:28 bxyrk: i mean you can just copy defconfig, then start menuconfig and choose support for your adapter, easy, no? Jul 02 18:52:03 just the extra modules to compile... the .config was the hardest part to do... prolly just cuz i'm not really that great with the cross compiling, or even kernel compiling for that matter... i did the "make oldconfig menuconfig" on an nfs share mounted on my fr... that way i didn't have to figure out options that might've let me use my desktop to run it Jul 02 18:52:41 after i made the .config... i just used that in the toolkit Jul 02 18:53:05 I have a Security/anonymity related question regarding openmoko devices: what are the criteria that identify a user? something like: GPS location, IMEI #, SIM Serial #, phone number? Jul 02 18:53:17 boing: identify a user to whom? Jul 02 18:53:29 i just know that when i was first messing with my phone, the idea of the toolkit and cross compiling was intimidating... Jul 02 18:53:30 to the Phone company network Jul 02 18:53:38 boing: your cellular provider knows both your IMEI and SIM serial. Jul 02 18:53:50 boing: obviously phone number too. But not gps location. Jul 02 18:54:13 how come not GPS? I have always lived in the assumption that any phone can be location tracked Jul 02 18:54:15 bxyrk: cross-compiling just kernel is damn easy. Because it has no dependencies at all. Jul 02 18:54:34 bxyrk: and you already have defconfig. Just copy it and edit to your liking. Jul 02 18:54:44 boing: do you think all phones have gps builtin? Jul 02 18:54:47 boing: ;) Jul 02 18:55:21 boing: sure your location can be approximately determined by the company because you need to connect to cell stations and they're not that far apart. Jul 02 18:55:27 PaulFertser: surely it is possible to track bones whether or not they have GPS built in, no? a mean they are emitting a signal from a source.... I just assumed phone companies have James Bond style top-down maps with flashing red dots Jul 02 18:55:55 boing: not sure about red dots but they can do triangulation that gives a good estimate. Jul 02 18:57:03 boing: also i'm sure they have logs. If you use a known-to-be-belonging-to-a-suspect SIM card once in your FR, all your further network interaction (no matter with which SIM) can be tracked. Jul 02 18:57:07 boing as can be seen by some phone applications which estimate your positions by the gsm network. say, google ( urgh ) maps vor j2me phones. Jul 02 18:58:05 boing:when i changed my cell service to a supported sim when i first got my fr.. i told them my IMEI because if say, it was stolen.. they put that number in their lists of stolen phones.. pretty sure they propagate to other companies... and service is denied to the device Jul 02 18:58:19 bxyrk: not globally Jul 02 18:58:25 true Jul 02 18:58:39 boing: so, to be anonymous you need to use a neverused SIM card (bought without providing any credentials that can allow to track you) and cell phone. Jul 02 18:59:58 does this mean if someone makes my free runner, I could hunt them down? Jul 02 18:59:59 boing: also they can track you whenever you have your phone turned on. Jul 02 19:00:10 yeah, but if some international 1337 h4x0r swiped my fr... A) i'd be mad as all hell, but B) i'd think he kinda deserved it... that's a crazy thing to snatch something practally attatched to me Jul 02 19:00:29 boing: probably not practically, but it's possible in theory. If it doesn't get transfered to another country. Jul 02 19:01:03 PaulFertser: how does that work? does the phone and send out some ' this is where I am' blip every few seconds? isn't this wasteful on power? is it possible to disable that..? Jul 02 19:01:22 it's required if you want to be able to make/recieve calls Jul 02 19:01:32 boing: by turning off gsm module, sure. Jul 02 19:01:56 boing: yes, it wastes power, but not that much. The network needs to know where you are to route calls/messages to you. Jul 02 19:02:01 woo. irc on my freerunner! Jul 02 19:02:09 and though in principle, you can track a phone by IMEI, I see no evidence (at least in the UK) for this being done for such 'boring' crimes as phone-theft Jul 02 19:02:17 via pidgin Jul 02 19:02:30 SpeedEvil: but are the stolen phones at least blocked? Jul 02 19:02:45 PaulFertser: yes - in the UK. Jul 02 19:02:54 But it's not propagated out of the UK Jul 02 19:03:09 tim_abell: you might want to ask DocScrutinizer for his XChat config, iirc he has a usable one. Jul 02 19:03:20 SpeedEvil: why is that necessary? is it possible to configure the phone so that it is in silent mode, and not emmitting anything. and then it should be still possible to Ring when a call comes in, no? Jul 02 19:03:22 tim : what distro/keyboard? Jul 02 19:03:25 SpeedEvil: i think i've read about that, thanks for confirmation. Jul 02 19:03:28 boing: no. Jul 02 19:03:33 i like pidgin Jul 02 19:03:40 boing: you cannot tell the network what to do. Jul 02 19:03:50 Ooooh. I'm starting to understand. Jul 02 19:03:53 boing: it will not notify you if you are not logged in to a cell. Jul 02 19:04:12 shr with the builtin bxyrk Jul 02 19:04:25 How do you people know about this stuff - this is way cool Jul 02 19:04:33 boing: reading stuff. Jul 02 19:04:36 :) Jul 02 19:04:51 boing: and after you hear something or read something you start to think that it's obvious ;) Jul 02 19:05:02 ...full time nerds rock... yup :) Jul 02 19:05:16 is it possible to get your fr to create a new number, SIM ID# and IMEI# for every call you make? Jul 02 19:05:25 boing: no Jul 02 19:05:27 That would surely be the ultimate Jul 02 19:05:38 boing: you can't create your own SIM, only the phone company can Jul 02 19:05:47 Otherwise they wouldn't be able to bill you Jul 02 19:05:56 back to a sensible sized keyboard. Jul 02 19:05:57 haha Jul 02 19:06:01 * boing slaps head Jul 02 19:06:07 no msn plugin under pidgin it would seem :( Jul 02 19:06:19 So much for my plan of limitless free phone calls Jul 02 19:06:31 * boing has to go to eat Jul 02 19:06:32 In theory you can create new IMEI - if you had the proper firmware - but in the UK it may be an offence to do so if it's being done for illegal purposes. Jul 02 19:06:35 Thank you everyone! Jul 02 19:06:37 bbs Jul 02 19:07:03 boing: also changing IMEI is illegal Jul 02 19:07:15 boing: so even on FR it's not allowed. Jul 02 19:07:37 It may be illegal - as I read the law in theUK - it's not actually illegal if you have the permission of the manufacturer, and are not intendint to do illegal things. Jul 02 19:07:41 boing: that said on most dumb cellphones there're known methods to change IMEI. Jul 02 19:07:51 For example, ifyou're not attempting to get free calls Jul 02 19:08:28 SpeedEvil: i see. Jul 02 19:09:05 SpeedEvil: i can't see how changing IMEI can help to get free calls though Jul 02 19:09:28 Well - true. Jul 02 19:09:34 ...anyone think someone may be interested in .deb packages for airpwn and lorcon? Jul 02 19:10:10 bxyrk: is there a reason why they're not properly packaged for Debian yet? Jul 02 19:10:21 I'm unsure if it might not be possible to send a SMS pretending tto be someone who's just gone into a tunnel though. Jul 02 19:10:38 tim_abell i guess u can install a msn plugin, its in the shr repo Jul 02 19:11:25 there isn't a package for this prog yet period... it's going to be included in aircrack-ng svn soon though Jul 02 19:11:47 however.. lorcon might be... Jul 02 19:12:49 ah, thanks tschaka, i'd searched for the wrong thing Jul 02 19:13:10 there are some guy with FR with imei 00000... Jul 02 19:13:13 and it worked :D Jul 02 19:14:22 tim_abell you're welcome. are you using pidgin in landscape btw? i found the keyboard much more useful there. but then i cannot one line of written and input field at max... Jul 02 19:14:37 tim_abell can only see* Jul 02 19:15:08 tim_abell: i think you need to boycott msn messenger, it'll help to get more people to use jabber. Jul 02 19:15:43 ...literki rocks... it can go transparent... not as usable n a terminal, but with certain colors its even better Jul 02 19:15:48 on* Jul 02 19:15:52 PaulFertser, lol, I agree, but one mission at a time! Jul 02 19:16:45 i have msn... and aim... and icq... and myspace im... but they're all deactivated on my account list, lol Jul 02 19:17:01 tim_abell: i just used some icq transport for some time and i didn't care much about its downtime. My real friends switched to jabber, others... well, if they don't need me, let it be so. Jul 02 19:17:46 XMPP supports voip and whatnot right? Jul 02 19:18:14 bxyrk: i'm afraid no proper voip integration yet. Jul 02 19:18:23 bxyrk at least on empathy/telepathy base. Jul 02 19:18:28 it seems like i remember hearing about it at one point.. but i know it's definately not implemented... Jul 02 19:19:20 SpeedEvil: I have to say I can't think of any legitimate reason for changing IMEI Jul 02 19:19:49 i know the voip subject has surely been worn pretty thin... but voip on fr would just be my prolly most desired function... Jul 02 19:20:06 boing: unbanning a recovered phone Jul 02 19:20:21 bxyrk: GPRS has a 2s delay unfortunately Jul 02 19:20:33 expecially using light/compressed codecs that would be decent over gprs Jul 02 19:20:47 boing in countries like iran this _could_ be useful at days like this... Jul 02 19:20:49 So you're limited to push-talk Jul 02 19:20:59 yeah.. i know it wouldn't be live.. but still Jul 02 19:21:02 but yes Jul 02 19:21:09 One-time-pad even is an option with that Jul 02 19:21:23 a 4G microSD will give you years of sporradic talk Jul 02 19:21:57 there's at least a 1s delay on nextel ptt... even with all the "instant" hype Jul 02 19:22:13 is it possible to put in a PAYG Internet SIM into a FR and get cheap Internet? Jul 02 19:22:27 yes Jul 02 19:22:32 In the UK at least. Jul 02 19:22:40 t-mobile - 1 pound a day capped Jul 02 19:22:45 or 5 days for 2.50 Jul 02 19:23:08 i don't use my fr as a phone... i have a sony/ericcson, and i connect to gprs through bluetooth/gpppon Jul 02 19:23:12 (.7p/Kb before the cap) Jul 02 19:23:40 and my s/e has an HID program... so easy right click without hostmode Jul 02 19:26:05 ...because i still haven't figured it out... Jul 02 19:26:20 + with the stylus... :( Jul 02 19:30:13 next goal... find a better dm with softkeyboard that's lighter than gdm!! Jul 02 19:30:41 * boing will brb dang phone Jul 02 19:33:58 SpeedEvil: I believe are some offer where you pay per gigabyte and you can use it up in your own time Jul 02 19:34:38 boing: none cheaper than the above Jul 02 19:34:48 (in the UK) Jul 02 19:34:56 (last I looked some 6 months ago) Jul 02 19:43:08 anyone else unable to release calls inn shr? Jul 02 19:59:05 "ERROR: Package omgps (parent omgps) is not available from any configured src." on shr. can anyone help? Jul 02 19:59:31 i ran update as it suggested, didn't help Jul 02 20:08:57 where should i file bugs in applications under shr? Jul 02 20:09:09 as in things that might be just packaging issues Jul 02 20:09:49 tim_abell: maybe on shr trac? :P Jul 02 20:11:58 http://pastebin.com/f27ed20b8 mofi won't run for me Jul 02 20:12:29 do i need to install something extra? Jul 02 20:12:43 or is it just broken, or is it just me? Jul 02 20:37:52 tim_abell: aaaah, all the existencial questions the Freerunner raises, "is it broken? maybe it's me? am i broken?" lol Just be friends with the ghost in the machine and you're set to go :) Jul 02 20:44:08 lol, i always assume it's me Jul 02 20:44:18 tim_abell http://www.opkg.org/package_221.html Jul 02 20:44:40 tim_abell are you using pidgin in landscape btw? i found the keyboard much more useful there. but then i cannot one line of written and input field at max... (my question from earlier) :) Jul 02 20:44:56 ta for the link Jul 02 20:45:18 i haven't put it in landscape, no Jul 02 20:47:09 ok thanks Jul 02 20:49:24 I am very keen on the 'push to talk' subject. Jul 02 20:49:57 I am on out for some software that allows 2 way push to talk over the Internet. I think this would be a great solution for people with slow connects. Jul 02 21:01:23 That would be nice Jul 02 21:02:57 it could be useful on occation for many people, just no-one's bothered to productize anything on om Jul 02 21:07:52 there are some guy with FR with imei 00000... --- not every operator Jul 02 21:22:09 docscrutinizer: eh, what imei? Jul 02 21:22:34 0000 Jul 02 21:23:20 and operators don't like that or what? Jul 02 21:26:11 can one change imei on the Neo? Jul 02 21:26:22 .... :) Jul 02 21:27:47 yes Jul 02 21:27:56 but those who know are not tellling how Jul 02 21:29:27 SpeedEvil: :-P Jul 02 21:31:01 what fun can you do with the imei, i just now it's not allowed.... a bit gsm n00b Jul 02 21:31:18 fredrin: exactly, some operators don't allow that imei Jul 02 21:31:33 i.e. it's on their locklist Jul 02 21:34:53 fredrin: there's simply no fun with imei Jul 02 21:35:20 fredrin: as few fun as is with serial# of your car Jul 02 21:36:24 you can flash an imei to your FR that is listed stolen device on your operator's locklist -nif you think thats fun Jul 02 21:38:21 fredrin: imei == international mobile equipment identifier Jul 02 21:39:28 Is there any other handset identifier - for eample can they tell it's a calypso? (other than signature analysis0 Jul 02 21:41:09 fredrin: you could spy your local redneck's imei, then flash this to your own device, and call 911 / 112 and watch the heat raiding redneck's house. That's kinda lame though Jul 02 21:41:24 SpeedEvil: not afaik Jul 02 21:41:55 Hi Jul 02 21:42:24 Has anyone thought of military applications for OM? Jul 02 21:42:27 http://dilbert.com/ Jul 02 21:42:40 SpeedEvil: yes Jul 02 21:43:00 docscrutinizer: mmmkay Jul 02 21:44:04 anyone uses SHR unstable with Debian lenny pc ? Jul 02 21:44:34 SpeedEvil: russian army said audio quality is much better than what they're used to, and much more reliable as well ;-D Jul 02 21:45:17 And open hardware makes it so much easier to convert them to IEDs... Jul 02 21:46:54 Also, the GPS is so accurate that if your enemy is carrying one, you only need to bomb eight or ten blocks to be sure of killing them. Jul 02 21:48:09 actually GPS was the big obstacle: can't reflash to use GLONASS Jul 02 22:03:21 Hi, I have a problem and i don't know how to detect where is the error, I can not conect to the OM via usb using ssh , the problem it's that don't apear the usb interface Jul 02 22:03:51 i tried to do a lsmod to check if the modules are loaded and i get this Jul 02 22:03:58 xevi, is it on eth2? Jul 02 22:04:06 /home/xevi# lsmod |grep cdc_ether Jul 02 22:04:06 cdc_ether 4672 0 Jul 02 22:04:06 usbnet 14024 1 cdc_ether Jul 02 22:04:06 usbcore 118224 8 cdc_ether,usbnet,cdc_acm,stkwebcam,usbhid,ehci_hcd,ohci_hcd Jul 02 22:04:52 only apear the eth0 interface, and this is my wired network Jul 02 22:05:15 /home/xevi# ifconfig Jul 02 22:05:15