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Jul 07 04:11:25 <Undrwater> miss my moko
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Jul 07 07:26:32 <fredrin> Goooood morning freetards :P myself included :) 
Jul 07 08:17:02 <sybren> PaulFertser: I some the occasional cigar, just because I like the taste and smell of it :)
Jul 07 08:17:29 * fredrin likes snus, sigaretts and jazz sigarettes :) 
Jul 07 08:18:12 <sybren> PaulFertser: and one of the first things I did after installing SHR unstable was to install vim :P
Jul 07 08:18:31 <PaulFertser> sybren: occassional is ok if you do not get dependent on it. But it's sad to see all those people smoking 20 cigaretes a day.
Jul 07 08:19:10 <fredrin> PaulFertser: you should thank them, they would die earlier and it will be more likely that you contry can afford pensions
Jul 07 08:19:11 <sybren> PaulFertser: yeah, I agree there.
Jul 07 08:19:20 <PaulFertser> sybren: the problem is that in russia cigarettes are very cheap, you can get 2 packs a EUR. 
Jul 07 08:19:51 <sybren> PaulFertser: yeah, and those things are deliberately made to be extra addictive
Jul 07 08:19:53 <PaulFertser> fredrin: i don't think about my pension yet ;)
Jul 07 08:21:09 <PaulFertser> sybren: and yes, vim on FR is the most useable text editor :D
Jul 07 08:21:37 <fredrin> Snus is good though :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xjm9NNuuVU 
Jul 07 08:21:48 <fredrin> only exist in norway and sweeden
Jul 07 08:22:17 <fredrin> you get the nicotine, but don't bother other people and you can use it indoors and on planes/jobs 
Jul 07 08:26:15 <PaulFertser> fredrin: we used to sniff special tobacco at school.
Jul 07 08:26:22 <PaulFertser> fredrin: fun but doesn't make sense
Jul 07 08:26:35 <fredrin> PaulFertser: are you from russia? 
Jul 07 08:26:43 <PaulFertser> fredrin: yes
Jul 07 08:26:57 <fredrin> Nicotine do help with consentration though 
Jul 07 08:27:40 <fredrin> PaulFertser: but i know your points, have had these discussions many times :) 
Jul 07 08:27:41 <PaulFertser> fredrin: i'm not sure. Probably pure psycological effect.
Jul 07 08:28:08 <PaulFertser> fredrin: btw, we sniffed the tobacco right during classes, the teachers didn't complain too much :)
Jul 07 08:28:21 <fredrin> :)
Jul 07 08:28:23 <PaulFertser> fredrin: haha, i'm boring talking the same stuff over and over.
Jul 07 08:28:47 <PaulFertser> fredrin: the snus ad is fun. Too little about the tits though.
Jul 07 08:29:25 <fredrin> hehe, then you need to go to sweeden IRL and feel them 
Jul 07 08:29:54 <fredrin> or norway, but i do think the the sweedish girls got better tits 
Jul 07 08:29:56 <fredrin> hehe
Jul 07 08:32:05 <Q-Master> Nicotine is a drug anyway. 8)
Jul 07 08:32:05 <sybren> Sweden is also a very good country for hitchhiking
Jul 07 08:33:07 <PaulFertser> sybren: oh, really? I had a hard time hitchhiking in Germany after F9N
Jul 07 08:33:20 <sybren> F9N?
Jul 07 08:34:46 <PaulFertser> sybren: FSOSHRUDEVCON
Jul 07 08:36:52 <sybren> PaulFertser: I've been hitchhiking from Amsterdam to Sweden, Croatia, Spain, Italy, Hungary, Slovenia, England and more Croatia, all relatively painless
Jul 07 08:37:13 <sybren> and through France, Germany and Belgium, of course, to get to those countries
Jul 07 08:40:19 <PaulFertser> sybren: wow, cool :D
Jul 07 08:42:32 <sybren> PaulFertser: yeah, great fun! Well, sometimes it's tough, when you stand still for hours on end, but still it's definitely worth the trouble
Jul 07 08:43:39 <PaulFertser> sybren: my problem with that is i don't like being alone.
Jul 07 08:43:46 <PaulFertser> sybren: btw, where did you sleep most of the time?
Jul 07 08:46:20 <sybren> PaulFertser: Except for my first time to Croatia (I was with a friend then) I traveled with my girl
Jul 07 08:46:46 <sybren> PaulFertser: and usually it takes only roughly 24 hours, so we just don't sleep ;-)
Jul 07 08:47:04 <PaulFertser> sybren: but trucks have only one passenger seat
Jul 07 08:47:25 <sybren> PaulFertser: yeah, and travel way too slow. We prefer fast cars :)
Jul 07 08:49:07 <PaulFertser> sybren: sure. But that severely limits possibilities to go further. BTW, in russia trucks don't have a speed limit :P
Jul 07 08:49:44 <sybren> PaulFertser: that's good to know :) but regular cars also travel far. We usually take the highways, and travel from petrol station to petrol station. That works pretty well
Jul 07 08:50:31 <PaulFertser> sybren: do you hold a sign or anything?
Jul 07 08:51:08 <sybren> PaulFertser: sometimes, but more often we just walk up to people while they are filling their gas tank or walking to the counter, and simply ask them whether they want to take us in a certain direction
Jul 07 08:51:31 <PaulFertser> sybren: isn't it considered impolite and too intrusive?
Jul 07 08:51:42 <PaulFertser> sybren: (just wondering)
Jul 07 08:54:14 <sybren> PaulFertser: yeah, if you do things wrong it is. Sometimes people are startled a bit, because they aren't used to talking to each other at a petrol station. It helps if you alert them to your presence while you're still a few meters away, and if you simply act polite and friendly
Jul 07 08:55:10 <PaulFertser> sybren: ok, thanks for the great tips :) 
Jul 07 08:55:30 <sybren> PaulFertser: having a nice girlfriend to send to those people helps as well (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sybrenstuvel/3556295742/ and http://www.flickr.com/photos/sybrenstuvel/3418407483/)
Jul 07 08:56:12 <sybren> PaulFertser: especially for the somewhat more hormone-driven little guys in Italy :P they are usually a bit put off when a 2 meter tall guy like me strolls up to them ;-)
Jul 07 08:57:09 <PaulFertser> sybren: a nice girlfriend is something that i lack :-/
Jul 07 08:57:26 <sybren> PaulFertser: I just heard that Sweden is a good place to go for those ;-)
Jul 07 08:59:05 <PaulFertser> sybren: What is the best place to look for them? At technical mueseums or local LUGs?
Jul 07 08:59:08 <PaulFertser> ;)
Jul 07 09:09:08 <methril|work> morning
Jul 07 09:16:36 <CVirus> Guys, do this illustration pictograms on cofundos website have a name ? http://cofundos.org/index.php
Jul 07 09:16:39 <CVirus> these*
Jul 07 09:16:54 <CVirus> the technique itself of illustrating an idea through pictograms and pictures
Jul 07 09:17:52 <CVirus> anyone ?
Jul 07 09:27:37 <sybren> PaulFertser: lol :)
Jul 07 09:58:46 <capsule> Hello there, is NeoFreerunner project closed?
Jul 07 10:00:09 <fsfs> capsule: no
Jul 07 10:01:46 <capsule> fsfs: i read that project won't be supported officially
Jul 07 10:02:41 <fsfs> it's a community project now
Jul 07 10:05:07 <capsule> fsfs: will be any new versions of NeoFreerunner?
Jul 07 10:06:30 <jc1> new version?
Jul 07 10:07:34 <capsule> yeap, for example: NeoFreerunner with video cam
Jul 07 10:08:06 <tig|> capsule:  it is not looking likely at the moment,  well not from Openmoko anyway but the software is still being developed for use on other phones
Jul 07 10:09:43 <mjr> openmoko inc isn't doing phones at this time, they're trying to keep going by doing a smaller project. If that succeeds, I guess they'll do a new phone. If not, well, let's see if FIC wants to sink money in or something...
Jul 07 10:10:02 <mjr> (I'm not anything official, just guessing here)
Jul 07 10:12:20 <capsule> thx
Jul 07 10:21:33 <SpeedEvil> OM is doing phones - in that they are continuing to supply demand, and will make more GTA02  required
Jul 07 10:21:42 <SpeedEvil> Theey are not developing new phones
Jul 07 10:21:58 <SpeedEvil> However - GTA03 with camera is looking unlikely.
Jul 07 10:22:10 <SpeedEvil> meh.
Jul 07 10:22:16 * SpeedEvil stabs capsule.
Jul 07 10:25:23 <mjr> true, "doing" was rather unnecessarily vague
Jul 07 12:09:28 <stricjux> hello!
Jul 07 12:09:41 <tae_> hello stricjux 
Jul 07 12:09:59 <stricjux> I'm looking for anybody with knowledge or experience on the bluetooth solution on openmoko (CSR BlueCore4).
Jul 07 12:11:08 <stricjux> I'm working on development of a small SoC with CSR BlueCore4 and I'm lacking access to documentation
Jul 07 12:11:11 <tae_> i dont know anything useful about bluetooth
Jul 07 12:11:51 <tae_> hmm, i normally use gmessage in debian to generate dialogs, what would you suggest i should use with OM20009 ?
Jul 07 12:11:51 <SpeedEvil> what do you mean 'the bluetooth solution' ?
Jul 07 12:12:05 <tae_> 2009 :P
Jul 07 12:12:35 <stricjux> the chipset used for bluetooth communication - as far as I can see openmoko uses CSR BlueCore4
Jul 07 12:14:29 <SM2k> Manufacturer: Cambridge Silicon Radio (10)
Jul 07 12:14:59 <SpeedEvil> stricjux: yes - what are you trying to do
Jul 07 12:15:47 <stricjux> We are trying to support it on our CortexM3 board, but the accessible documentation is lacking in development related data (registers, control,....)
Jul 07 12:16:17 <SpeedEvil> the one OM is using is just connected over USB
Jul 07 12:16:22 <SpeedEvil> and handled by bluez
Jul 07 12:16:25 <stricjux> aha
Jul 07 12:16:43 <stricjux> ok, I'll try to talk with the bluez guys.
Jul 07 12:16:55 <stricjux> they probably can help me a bit more
Jul 07 12:16:56 <SpeedEvil> Also - CSR has docs
Jul 07 12:17:01 <SpeedEvil> but they are far from free
Jul 07 12:17:18 <stricjux> SpeedEvil, not all are publicly availible - the interesting aren't.
Jul 07 12:17:33 <SpeedEvil> They do have a usenet server where you can ask questions
Jul 07 12:17:44 <tobii_> stricjux: http://wiki.bluez.org/wiki that should help for beginning
Jul 07 12:17:45 <SpeedEvil> what are you trying to do?
Jul 07 12:18:01 <SpeedEvil> m3 - this has no RAM to run linux?
Jul 07 12:18:21 <stricjux> no
Jul 07 12:18:49 <SpeedEvil> You're going to need to do a fair bit of work then :/
Jul 07 12:18:55 <SpeedEvil> though tehre are pay-for stacks
Jul 07 12:19:02 <stricjux> SpeedEvil, most of the work is already done
Jul 07 12:19:27 <stricjux> just the data on how to control the CSR is needed... the board is already built.
Jul 07 12:19:31 <PBeck> hi
Jul 07 12:19:39 <SpeedEvil> I mean on the software side.
Jul 07 12:19:49 <SpeedEvil> software can take more time than hardware
Jul 07 12:20:05 <stricjux> we are only lacking BT support.
Jul 07 12:20:11 <stricjux> everything else works (TM)
Jul 07 12:20:13 <stricjux> :)
Jul 07 12:20:18 <SpeedEvil> What do you mean by 'BT support'
Jul 07 12:20:34 <SpeedEvil> there are a quarter of a billion profiles.
Jul 07 12:20:44 <stricjux> a way to control CSR BlueCore4 to setup an RFCOMM link
Jul 07 12:21:08 <stricjux> RFCOMM support is inbuilt in CSR BlueCore4, or atleast so I'm told.
Jul 07 12:21:24 <SpeedEvil> The CSR Bluecore4 isn't wht you want docs on
Jul 07 12:21:35 <SpeedEvil> you want the docs on the software stack running on the bluecore4
Jul 07 12:21:45 <stricjux> ok
Jul 07 12:22:08 <SpeedEvil> Which I haven't worked out where you get those - a post on the CSR forum may be of use.
Jul 07 12:22:18 <stricjux> SpeedEvil, good idea
Jul 07 12:27:21 <SpeedEvil> or indeed the bluez guys
Jul 07 12:27:28 <SpeedEvil> sking where they got docs
Jul 07 13:04:47 <Silicium> hi there
Jul 07 13:07:55 <tig|> hi
Jul 07 13:10:01 <pieterc> hi
Jul 07 13:32:47 <thrashold> fso-abyss   0.3.3+git20080628-1 Does such a thing even exist, or the Debian packager wrote 8 instead of 9? :)
Jul 07 14:14:06 <thrashold> Can I hotplug the SIM card?
Jul 07 14:14:36 <CVirus> I don't have a freerunner but isn't the SIM card covered with the battery ?
Jul 07 14:14:51 <dns53> it is covered
Jul 07 14:15:01 <thrashold> CVirus: Yes, but you can remove the battery when using USB power
Jul 07 14:15:04 <thrashold> or a charger
Jul 07 14:15:07 <CVirus> aha
Jul 07 14:15:07 <jc> power on by battery, and plug usb cable to charge
Jul 07 14:15:19 <jc> never try that.
Jul 07 14:16:08 <thrashold> My guess is that it would work if the GSM is powered down, but I'm not willing to try.
Jul 07 14:16:19 <thrashold> And I'm not sure what happens if it isn't
Jul 07 14:17:12 <Weiss> i think one of the FSO people successfully made it work in an experiment (shutting the GSM unit down properly first), but i wouldn't recommend trying. i don't know if the required changes made through
Jul 07 14:18:58 <Weiss> also, do i remember reading somewhere that the GSM needs the battery to function? i.e. no GSM if power is by USB only?
Jul 07 14:19:13 <Weiss> well, obviously i do, but vaguely. i wonder whether that's correct
Jul 07 14:19:55 <thrashold> In theory, the SIM slot should be completely powered down when the GSM is powered down, right?
Jul 07 14:21:23 <Weiss> you'll really have to ask someone who properly knows for the details
Jul 07 14:21:40 <Weiss> perhaps there is deeper magic involved there
Jul 07 14:22:44 * SpeedEvil ponders looking at the schematic.
Jul 07 15:30:21 <rss> Hi, I am running SHR on Neo FreeRunner, while booting it says "power_supply_battery: driver failed to report `health' property
Jul 07 15:30:34 <rss> and battery info is not being shown
Jul 07 15:31:44 <rss> the battery is GTA02 itself, I got this phone from a friend who has not used for almost an year, it'd got discharged
Jul 07 15:42:01 <DocScrutinizer> rss: the bat might have died due to excessive prolonged deep discharge. Try to load for 12h, then reboot
Jul 07 15:42:23 <DocScrutinizer> or is device able to run from bat?
Jul 07 15:46:49 <DocScrutinizer> rss: even a partially charged bat might report no-health after Vbat-very-low emergency cutout. maybe charging to full will fix it.
Jul 07 15:47:30 <DocScrutinizer> or even a full charge-discharge-charge cycle
Jul 07 15:49:10 <DocScrutinizer> bq27k CC in bat probably has reset and now needs to ecaluate bat capacity before any meaningful bat status can be reported
Jul 07 15:58:41 <DocScrutinizer> rss: you might do me a favour and run this command _now_: " cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c24xx_pwm.0/hdq.0/hdq/dump >depleted-bat-dump.txt "
Jul 07 15:59:09 <DocScrutinizer> then send me this file depleted-bat-dump.txt to joerg@openmoko.org
Jul 07 15:59:57 <DocScrutinizer> rss: if you get some error, just run same command again. I've been told it fails sometimes
Jul 07 16:38:58 <rss> DocScrutinizer: cool, now the phone is down with WSOD(that white and black strip screen of death), I will restart it and send
Jul 07 16:39:22 <chocotuar_> quick question about buzzfix
Jul 07 16:39:40 <rss> DocScrutinizer: or I shall charge it fully and let it discharge a bit and see?
Jul 07 16:39:54 <rss> I will do that and see
Jul 07 16:40:04 <rss> chocotuar_: ask
Jul 07 16:40:06 <ndnihil> I got that stripe
Jul 07 16:40:18 <chocotuar_> does the phone explicitly say that it is hardware revision A5/6/7 or do I have to guess
Jul 07 16:40:20 <ndnihil> but only on random versions of unstable dists
Jul 07 16:40:38 <ndnihil> chocotuar_: cat /proc/cpuinfo
Jul 07 16:41:20 <chocotuar_> excellent
Jul 07 16:41:20 <rss> mine does buzz and echo, is the C thing, the only fix?
Jul 07 16:41:21 <chocotuar_> thanks
Jul 07 16:41:27 <ndnihil> the revision line
Jul 07 16:41:33 <ndnihil> rss: what dist are you running?
Jul 07 16:41:36 <rss> SHR
Jul 07 16:41:42 <ndnihil> what version?
Jul 07 16:41:57 <rss> the latest, I flashed just yesterday
Jul 07 16:42:04 <ndnihil> testing? unstable?
Jul 07 16:42:09 <rss> unstable
Jul 07 16:42:20 <ndnihil> hrm
Jul 07 16:42:38 <ndnihil> I'm using an shr unstable that is a bit older than that without any major issues
Jul 07 16:42:57 <ndnihil> that stripe thing is pretty annoying though
Jul 07 16:43:32 <ndnihil> let me see if I can find the shr version I'm using
Jul 07 16:43:34 <ndnihil> it doesnt stripe
Jul 07 16:43:51 <ndnihil> rather, the release date of shr unstable I'm using
Jul 07 16:44:33 <ndnihil> 06/05/09 seems to be the date
Jul 07 16:44:37 <chocotuar_> hackable:1 cat /proc/cpuinfo says that revision is "0350"
Jul 07 16:44:50 <ndnihil> shr-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20090605-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2
Jul 07 16:44:57 <ndnihil> uImage-2.6.29-oe10+gitr119814+23b564c9d22cc5e442361e632626d5f131c40752-r3.5-om-gta02.bin
Jul 07 16:45:07 <ndnihil> if those are still in the repo, grab them and give it a shot
Jul 07 16:45:34 <ndnihil> 0350 is V5
Jul 07 16:45:40 <chocotuar_> I see
Jul 07 16:46:30 <ndnihil> do you have a tiny little capacitor soldered across the uSD slot pins?
Jul 07 16:46:53 <chocotuar_> no - is that the fix for the GPS?
Jul 07 16:47:13 <ndnihil> keeps uSD from interfering with GPS I think
Jul 07 16:47:34 <chocotuar_> I replaced the uSD with a kingston 2GB and GPS works fine now
Jul 07 16:47:46 <chocotuar_> I bet if I went back to the transcend 512mb that came with the phone it wouldn't work
Jul 07 17:03:34 <aboyer> hello, the following is a newbie question: i have purchased an A7 freerunner and would like to make sure that I indeed received the A7 revision. I executed "cat /proc/cpuinfo" and it shows "Revision: 0360", indicating the A6 revision. am i missing something?
Jul 07 17:04:02 <ndnihil> could be a V6 with the V7 mods done later?
Jul 07 17:05:05 <ndnihil> not sure what the hardware differences are
Jul 07 17:05:07 <azaghal> aboyer: You could open it to check if it has the buzz-fix applied?
Jul 07 17:05:14 <aboyer> maybe, but I purchased it from Koolu and specifically asked made sure that all products they ship are A7...
Jul 07 17:05:54 <aboyer> azaghal: true, but i would need some hex screwdrivers...
Jul 07 17:06:14 <azaghal> I'd borrow you mine if you were nearby :)
Jul 07 17:06:19 <azaghal> Got a neat little metabo set.
Jul 07 17:06:26 <aboyer> hehe, thx
Jul 07 17:06:28 <ndnihil> azaghal: you from chicago?
Jul 07 17:06:37 <aboyer> ottawa, canada
Jul 07 17:06:41 <ndnihil> ah
Jul 07 17:06:55 <azaghal> Well, sometimes Chicago's called "Little Serbia", but that's the closest it is to me :)
Jul 07 17:06:59 <ndnihil> chicago is the only other place I've been that uses borrow that way
Jul 07 17:07:14 <ndnihil> "I'll borrow you this" instead of "I'll lend you this" etc...
Jul 07 17:07:46 <azaghal> Is it gramatically incorrect to use "borrow" in such context?
Jul 07 17:07:59 <ndnihil> not sure to be honest
Jul 07 17:08:19 <azaghal> Heheh
Jul 07 17:08:19 <ndnihil> I've lived all over the US and chicago is the only place where I heard that as a regular saying
Jul 07 17:08:21 <aboyer> i would say that it is not correct, but then again, i am no language expert
Jul 07 17:09:04 <ndnihil> kinda like some places call bubbly sugar things like "soda", "pop", "soft drink", and in some places, everything with bubbles in it is a "coke"
Jul 07 17:09:15 <aboyer> and languages evolve all the time, so it is not very surprising imo
Jul 07 17:10:20 <ndnihil> picking out the odd little language differences was always the fun part about moving
Jul 07 17:22:43 <Pyrasi> hi all
Jul 07 17:23:29 <Pyrasi> Has anyone tried running canola on om2009?  It worked great on SHR, but it seems to segfault enlightement repeatedly in om2009 for some reason....
Jul 07 17:23:36 <Pyrasi> anyone know why?
Jul 07 17:58:11 <DocScrutinizer> rss: you may want to charge fully, then discharge until you feel it's really aching. I'd like to get the dump of bat-controller before you do this though
Jul 07 17:58:42 <DocScrutinizer> anyway probably it's already too late for that
Jul 07 18:19:25 <MacLord> hi
Jul 07 19:33:18 <fredrin> gaaaaaah, Michael Jackson overload, caaaant taaaake it anymore... aaaaaaaa, 
Jul 07 19:36:58 <eomv> Perhaps someone can help me, I have a question concerning the buzz rework done by golden delicious: Can I send in my device prior to the website telling me that the payment has been received?
Jul 07 20:59:40 <rhkfin> DocScrutinizer: Do you know how high voltages can FR take over USB? 4x 1.2V NiMh batteries give out something like 5.5Volts - is that too much, is there a regulater/something that can take it? It's a pain to have the NiMH that recharge to over 1.2V.. Using a 5V regulator is an option as well as 5.1V diod but generally not good ideas as power's lost already before entering the phone..
Jul 07 21:03:14 <SpeedEvil> rhkfin: it's nota good idea to overvoltage
Jul 07 21:03:41 <SpeedEvil> a boost regulator would be an option.
Jul 07 21:03:46 <rhkfin> SpeedEvil: I know. The question is where's the limit..
Jul 07 21:03:50 <SpeedEvil> 5.1V diode is not
Jul 07 21:05:38 <rhkfin> And btw, when the screen is in horizontal (xrandr -o 3) mode, I still can hear the very high noise from the screen - it's loud enought to be heared when drivign a car, having FR half a meter away..
Jul 07 21:08:18 <onen|openBmap_> rhkfin: hey how are you doing?
Jul 07 21:09:05 <onen|openBmap_> rhkfin: currently working on new interface. Will be quite different than what I showed you on our wiki
Jul 07 21:09:27 <onen|openBmap_> rhkfin: but I think you will like it (well I hope, with the time I spend on it ;-) )
Jul 07 21:09:53 <rhkfin> onen|openBmap_: not bad
Jul 07 21:09:59 <rhkfin> nice :)
Jul 07 21:10:11 <SpeedEvil> rhkfin: is horizontal upside dowm mode as loud?
Jul 07 21:11:00 <onen|openBmap_> rhkfin: ok need some sleep. good night!
Jul 07 21:11:38 <rhkfin> SpeedEvil: I think so, yes
Jul 07 21:11:50 <rhkfin> onen|openBmap_: see you! (I'll be travelling in 3 weeks for 3weeks :)
Jul 07 21:12:06 <rhkfin> SpeedEvil: if you mean xrandr -o 1
Jul 07 21:12:17 <rhkfin> SpeedEvil: but -o 0 or -o 2 are totally silent
Jul 07 21:12:21 <SpeedEvil> yeah
Jul 07 21:12:26 <onen|openBmap_> rhkfin: oh, you put some pressure on me then, I have to release new gui for your trip
Jul 07 21:12:27 <SpeedEvil> I blame the glamo.
Jul 07 21:12:38 <SpeedEvil> Because it's the cause of all other woes. :)
Jul 07 21:13:01 <rhkfin> onen|openBmap_: indeed!
Jul 07 21:13:39 <rhkfin> SpeedEvil: I guess it's possible.. Still annoying, and I havent heard anyone else reporting this.. Maybe I'll post to community ML and ask..
Jul 07 21:13:48 <onen|openBmap_> rhkfin: ;-) I hope to have finished it at the end of the week. Some days of testing (this time without weird bug I hope). Plus the time to see it hit the repo, we should be quite good ;-)
Jul 07 21:14:29 <onen|openBmap_> rhkfin: if we run out of time, ping me, I will prepare an ipk by hand for you :-)
Jul 07 21:14:40 <rhkfin> onen|openBmap_: nice!
Jul 07 21:14:42 <rhkfin> :)
Jul 07 21:15:00 <rhkfin> onen|openBmap_: First I need a stable distro :) (ok, thanks, I know people recommend SHR..)
Jul 07 21:18:25 <onen|openBmap_> rhkfin: what distro are you using?
Jul 07 21:28:04 <PaulFertser> thrashold: i hotswapped sims without problems
Jul 07 21:28:27 <thrashold> PaulFertser: Is it important that the GSM is turned off?
Jul 07 21:28:57 <thrashold> (As in, should I tripple check that it is really off)
Jul 07 21:31:16 <rhkfin> onen|openBmap_: OM2009
Jul 07 21:32:40 <onen|openBmap_> rhkfin: ah right, you talked about paroli
Jul 07 21:33:06 <onen|openBmap_> rhkfin: by the way, did you try the last obm update (which should have fixed dependencies issues) ?
Jul 07 21:33:56 <rhkfin> onen|openBmap_: no I haven't.. Haven't had time to upgrade/update (or actually time to fix, if something breaks..) for a while.. 
Jul 07 21:34:24 <onen|openBmap_> rhkfin: ok. we'll see then
Jul 07 21:44:28 <FiXion_> any of you use some sort of "rotation" for openmoko?
Jul 07 21:44:36 <josch> xrandr
Jul 07 21:44:39 <FiXion_> I tried omnewrotate - but it rotates too much for my taste.
Jul 07 21:44:55 <FiXion_> I'd rather just have a "switch" to switch from landscape to portrait (so to speak)
Jul 07 21:45:19 <FiXion_> om2009 uses the aux button (short press) for keyboard afaik
Jul 07 21:45:20 <josch> xrandr -o [0-3]
Jul 07 21:45:44 <FiXion_> but isn't there another aux button option.. (keeping it in for a few seconds or something)
Jul 07 21:45:52 <FiXion_> which I could map a small script to ?
Jul 07 21:45:59 <FiXion_> (which would run xrandr -o ...)
Jul 07 21:46:08 <FiXion_> josch: thanks for the exact command btw.
Jul 07 21:46:58 <josch> FiXion_: it's the same on your desktop - try it
Jul 07 21:47:17 <FiXion_> josch: I believe you :)
Jul 07 21:47:26 <FiXion_> I just wanted a quick way to switch on my openmoko
Jul 07 21:47:33 <FiXion_> and was thinking the aux button was it.
Jul 07 21:47:40 <FiXion_> so I can have apps in fullscreen (like a browser)
Jul 07 21:48:07 <FiXion_> and terminal
Jul 07 21:48:27 <FiXion_> but I don't know where I'd map the AUX key function
Jul 07 21:48:49 * FiXion_ is flashing om2009-unstable :)
Jul 07 21:49:11 <FiXion_> and eagerly awaiting my sdhc card.. 
Jul 07 21:49:35 <FiXion_> so I can upgrade gsm (weird it was moko10 version on a gta02 A7)
Jul 07 21:54:34 <PaulFertser> thrashold: i'm not sure you can damage the sim... i just turned off zhone
Jul 07 21:55:25 <PaulFertser> sim is easi;y replaceable by oprator, so i have little concerns
Jul 07 22:17:36 <fredrin> hmmm, what's this thing abou open-wrt kernel? 
Jul 07 22:17:42 <fredrin> sounds like good gnus 
Jul 07 22:20:41 <FiXion_> fredrin: link?
Jul 07 22:21:34 <fredrin> FiXion_: on the mailing list
Jul 07 22:21:53 <FiXion_> fredrin: shr-devel? or shr-user?
Jul 07 22:22:05 <fredrin> http://pastebin.com/m318cfc27
Jul 07 22:23:08 <FiXion_> fredrin: nice :)
Jul 07 22:23:14 <fredrin> yeah
Jul 07 22:23:18 <FiXion_> so openwrt is an option now it seems
Jul 07 22:23:32 <FiXion_> but how is openwrt in regards to the "phone-part" ?
Jul 07 22:23:41 <fredrin> this sounds interesting
Jul 07 22:23:42 <fredrin> We also did a lot of cleanup and stability fixes to openmoko specific device drivers, I certainly want to submit my changes but I'm not sure if they will get accepted as some are basically complete rewrites and also get rid of conceptually broken sysfs entries. But as those are considered public api and there could be some application somewhere using it, I'm afraid there people who will reject such changes (See the Xglamo in kernel 
Jul 07 22:23:42 <fredrin> fixes for broken userland madness)
Jul 07 22:25:01 <fredrin> FiXion_: i'm not so much into the details of the openwrt kernel thing, but if they did fix openmoko spesific device drivers, that would be nice anyway
Jul 07 22:25:12 <fredrin> and got it to work with the latest .30 kernel 
Jul 07 22:25:26 <fredrin> to me it sounds like a big step in the right direction 
Jul 07 22:25:38 <fredrin> maybe the can do some wifi magic aswell 
Jul 07 22:25:52 <FiXion_> fredrin: wifi not working for you?
Jul 07 22:26:10 <FiXion_> I saw a patch for the ar6000 driver when it borks after suspend
Jul 07 22:26:15 <fredrin> it works, but to much fail, with suspend, high ping 
Jul 07 22:28:29 <fredrin> om2009t5 is the biggest fail, shr works the best, but far from perfect 
Jul 07 22:30:02 <FiXion_> what problems do you have with om2009t5 ?
Jul 07 22:30:23 <FiXion_> I just went back to om2009t from shr-unstable
Jul 07 22:30:44 <FiXion_> as shr was too unstable (the contacts and messages parts being the worst)
Jul 07 22:35:00 <FiXion_> om2009 unstable (from 7/7) is really unstable though :(
Jul 07 22:35:34 <FiXion_> been running it for 20 min. and I've already gotten 2 enlightenment crashes and a paroli crash
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