**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 08 02:59:59 2009 Jul 08 05:58:18 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r6f06d5d0d27b 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/ (fsoframework-2.0.vapi logger.vala): fsoframework: logger: add 'critical' which leads to a non-maskable program abort Jul 08 05:58:20 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r7f69f1edacba 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_powersupply/plugin.vala: fsodevice: kernel26_powersupply: handle offline adapters properly Jul 08 06:49:53 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r489595ab8d0e 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_messages_fso.py: opimd: SIM-Messages-FSO: add log message when nacking message Jul 08 07:06:40 morning Jul 08 07:49:40 any of you running fso-paroli unstable? Jul 08 08:12:04 morning Jul 08 08:18:12 hello Jul 08 08:18:18 morning Jul 08 08:59:24 anyone know how to send a signal with mdbus cli ? Jul 08 08:59:34 org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerControl.Power from :1.18 /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerControl/WiFi ('WiFi',True) Jul 08 08:59:43 is what I want to send (output from mdbus -s -l) Jul 08 09:17:43 mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerControl/WiFi org.freesmartphone.Resource.Enable (or .Disable) Jul 08 09:29:17 anyone know if illume/enlightenment etc. is updated (for om2009-unstable) from the opkg sources ? Jul 08 09:29:42 or if they only add new packages to the daily image Jul 08 10:18:08 hi Jul 08 10:18:48 hello Jul 08 10:39:28 freesmartphone.org: 03tommy.b 07framework * r81dd06cdcf79 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/fso_actions.py: oevents: fso_actions: call updatepending when untriggering occupyresource Jul 08 10:41:06 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07python-helpers * r6d7f51b5189a 10/mickeydbus/mdbus: Jul 08 10:41:06 freesmartphone.org: Revert "mdbus: improve object path conversion" Jul 08 10:41:06 freesmartphone.org: This reverts commit 5d6585d76d91eb20c5f49a02c8bc03d0e9c56247. Jul 08 11:45:40 * fredrin discovered pyneo.org today....... Jul 08 11:48:17 * tig| flashed 3rdJuly image of SHR-Unstable and has a fully working phone Jul 08 11:56:29 tig|: I did the same - contacts and messages weren't as stable as I had hoped :( Jul 08 11:56:47 and being compiled apps - debugging wasn't easy.. off to python land instead :) Jul 08 12:09:26 FiXion_: they have been stable here, contacts I needed to change the storage backend to csv and now it is fine, messages the same Jul 08 12:10:47 tig|: csv? you're not reading them from your sim card? Jul 08 12:10:50 heh, I installed OS xy, but the wallpapaer was so terrible... I had to go back to previous. (SCNR) ;-) Jul 08 12:11:49 FiXion_: it reads them off the sim but I had problems adding a new contact using the sqllite backend if you change it in the settings to CSV storage it works Jul 08 12:21:43 tig|: you should report those problems to dos1 / TAsn. IIRC dos1 told he had 1000 and some messages in sql, without problems Jul 08 12:22:18 ? Jul 08 12:22:34 oh Jul 08 12:22:45 tig|, please open a bug with all the needed debug information Jul 08 12:22:50 :) Jul 08 12:23:39 TAsn: will do :) Jul 08 12:23:59 great, thanks, and sorry for the hassle/bug :) Jul 08 12:24:55 TAsn: howdy :-) Jul 08 12:25:04 they DocScrutinizer, sup? Jul 08 12:25:13 finally got the items shipped from tuxbrain :) Jul 08 12:25:19 no money yet, though that's a start. Jul 08 12:25:43 (if you remember I had an issue with the cash won in a cofundos contest) Jul 08 12:25:59 no, missed that Jul 08 12:26:11 really? I bitched quite a lot about it ;) Jul 08 12:26:25 hehe Jul 08 12:26:28 where? Jul 08 12:26:30 anyhow, I finally managed to reach them (using someone else who knew one of them) Jul 08 12:26:39 after they didn't answer my mails Jul 08 12:26:41 mail Jul 08 12:27:03 though after they didn't answer my mails for ~1 month iirc (and I don't really remember, I think it was closer to 2 months) Jul 08 12:27:39 anyhow they shipped me a "we're sorry for the delay" present Jul 08 12:27:42 so I'm cool :) Jul 08 12:27:51 :) Jul 08 12:28:03 too bad though that with the present the total price was more than allowed to order here without paying customs Jul 08 12:28:11 so I had to pay A lot of money to customs :( Jul 08 12:28:26 eeeek Jul 08 12:28:31 pretty sucky but not their fault Jul 08 12:28:37 I haven't thought about it Jul 08 12:28:38 customs always a pita Jul 08 12:28:40 had no idea :( Jul 08 12:29:05 same here when Suzhou sent some prototypes :-/ Jul 08 12:29:07 paid ~55$ Jul 08 12:29:13 :( Jul 08 12:30:18 k, need start the day. cya :) Jul 08 12:31:02 DocScrutinizer, ciao :) Jul 08 12:57:07 tig|, saw the bug report, thanks. Jul 08 12:57:13 no problem :) Jul 08 12:57:49 TAsn: apart from that the 3rd July image is excellent, good work :) Jul 08 12:58:06 it really is usable as a daily phone Jul 08 12:58:23 will look on that (actually probably dos1 will as he's the opimd king) soon. Jul 08 12:58:24 have you tried entering contacts with short names? Jul 08 12:58:41 tig|, yeah, I use the moko as a daily phone for quite some time Jul 08 12:58:51 though lately shr brought it to a really usable level :) Jul 08 12:58:59 (after the frameworkd dbus bug got fixed) Jul 08 12:59:16 I will have another go with short names and swap back to sqllite Jul 08 12:59:28 soon enough I'll hopefully have more free time Jul 08 12:59:36 tig|, are you sure you have enough room on sim card? Jul 08 13:00:03 the difference between the june image and july one is huge when it comes to sound quality and stability Jul 08 13:00:25 yeah should be plenty of space on sim Jul 08 13:00:29 hehe maybe I should reflash as well ;) Jul 08 13:00:45 (only upgraded lately) Jul 08 13:03:07 grrr Jul 08 13:03:18 blasted thing is working now Jul 08 13:03:25 perhaps something is not set initially Jul 08 13:03:37 will update bug report Jul 08 13:04:37 :) Jul 08 13:04:47 at least we solved the issue ;] Jul 08 13:05:06 move U20090703 to testing! Jul 08 13:05:57 DocScrutinizer, we should probably kill testing Jul 08 13:06:00 as it makes no sense atm Jul 08 13:06:08 ack Jul 08 13:06:36 you are only allow to have a testing release after you made a first stable release Jul 08 13:06:37 or move current U ;-> Jul 08 13:06:41 :) Jul 08 13:06:51 DocScrutinizer, but it'll die slowly as the latest testing did Jul 08 13:07:31 anyway current T is nonsense Jul 08 13:07:44 I mean it's a good idea Jul 08 13:07:49 letting users upgrade without the worry of killing their moko Jul 08 13:07:58 totally borked comparing it to U Jul 08 13:08:10 though I don't think we can handle it atm ;) Jul 08 13:08:18 aye. Jul 08 13:08:33 not as stable as U and not as feature rich as U Jul 08 13:09:03 might be better just to recommend certain unstable images and advise against upgrading Jul 08 13:09:04 --> update to recent U, or kill! Jul 08 13:09:26 tig|, aye, also thought about it Jul 08 13:09:39 a "condition report" Jul 08 13:09:48 you'll be able to see if it's safe to upgrade/flash latest Jul 08 13:09:48 :) Jul 08 13:10:09 means more than testing Jul 08 13:10:13 some helping hand for users to decide what to use is urgently needed Jul 08 13:10:19 aye. Jul 08 13:10:23 at least a readme Jul 08 13:10:31 upgrade status : green for "will probably work" amber for "some things will break" red for "you will probably need to reflash" :) Jul 08 13:11:39 image status: totally cool, mostly annoying, will eat your cat Jul 08 13:11:59 ;-D Jul 08 13:12:31 so U20090703 is red, green Jul 08 13:13:03 though upgrade status strongly depends on the version you're upgrading from Jul 08 13:14:43 upgrade from U0624 will probably work. Upgrade from testing will make FR coremelt Jul 08 13:15:03 :) Jul 08 13:15:47 upgrading from testing is highly discouraged Jul 08 13:15:48 and will actually surely break you moko Jul 08 13:16:08 DocScrutinizer, tig|, tracfeed: Ticket #545 (Make a "safe to upgrade/reflash" indicator in IRC/Website) created Jul 08 13:16:53 duh, another fake ticket ;-) Jul 08 13:17:22 this one is actually real :) Jul 08 13:17:26 wasn't 545 mofi must die? Jul 08 13:17:26 check -cdevel Jul 08 13:17:28 :) Jul 08 13:17:33 oooh Jul 08 13:17:37 :) Jul 08 13:17:45 I open tickets when I'm too lazy to send an email Jul 08 13:17:51 mofi must die was 542, I think. Jul 08 13:18:05 ;) Jul 08 13:18:06 though that one was fake. Jul 08 13:18:08 nope that was eldentica package request Jul 08 13:19:00 666 would be a good ticket id for either something to do with mofi or midori :) Jul 08 13:19:02 tig|, Jul 06 21:44:49 tracfeed: Ticket #542 (MoFi is deprecated and should die) created Jul 08 13:19:10 (did it as a joke) Jul 08 13:19:26 tig|, iirc 666 was a big bug in the framework Jul 08 13:19:28 ah :) Jul 08 13:19:29 :) Jul 08 13:19:33 666 is reserved for GSM-fw related bugs ;-) Jul 08 13:19:41 hehehe :) Jul 08 13:19:43 oh right Jul 08 13:19:45 it was with the fw Jul 08 13:19:48 :) Jul 08 13:19:59 anyhow mofi should really die. Jul 08 13:20:09 this way users will stop asking stupid questions about a stupid app :) Jul 08 13:20:24 I don't mind hearing stupid questions about good apps Jul 08 13:20:25 :) Jul 08 13:21:02 TAsn: so kick it out of default of SHR first of all Jul 08 13:21:22 DocScrutinizer, that's probably a good idea. Jul 08 13:21:43 though we need to first add NetworkManager Jul 08 13:21:46 or something that works :) Jul 08 13:22:07 sec, will issue a mail. Jul 08 13:22:18 TAsn: if you love tickets, then add a "backup/restore works" status field request to 545 Jul 08 13:22:21 ;) Jul 08 13:23:06 so flashing is painless for user Jul 08 13:23:09 oh Jul 08 13:23:14 backup/restore does work Jul 08 13:23:19 I do it all the time Jul 08 13:23:37 cp /home/root Jul 08 13:23:37 :) Jul 08 13:23:37 I'm not joking that's most of the hassle :) Jul 08 13:23:50 duh, how am I supposed to know. Did you even thoroughly test it? Jul 08 13:24:27 and you know we got a backup in shr-settings now Jul 08 13:25:26 and, baaaad, I heard some user data is stored to /etc or sth :-((( Jul 08 13:25:52 contacts or dunno what Jul 08 13:26:26 so don't tell me "backup is dead simple" Jul 08 13:27:25 progress Jul 08 13:28:55 DocScrutinizer, sent to shr-user :) Jul 08 13:29:08 :-) Jul 08 13:29:13 DocScrutinizer, actually the phonelog Jul 08 13:29:26 is stored in /var/db Jul 08 13:29:26 so you are probably right :) Jul 08 13:29:31 aah, equaly bad Jul 08 13:29:57 it's an issue though Jul 08 13:30:03 we gotta think about the right way to do it Jul 08 13:30:09 because merging configs can be an hassle Jul 08 13:30:10 yup Jul 08 13:30:15 it can't just be diff Jul 08 13:30:24 although diff will mostly work, it won't always Jul 08 13:30:37 know problem Jul 08 13:30:44 and do we really want to copy all the "hidden" dirs in the home dir? Jul 08 13:30:47 known Jul 08 13:30:50 ;\ Jul 08 13:30:56 is there a known solution? :) Jul 08 13:31:37 see the hassle "big" projects like KDE or even whole distros do to upgrade Jul 08 13:32:15 no golden way, lots and lots of nasty scripts coded by hand Jul 08 13:32:37 :( Jul 08 13:33:17 TAsn: ideally app-devels think about a decent upgrade-path during development Jul 08 13:33:49 if they don't we run into trouble inevitably Jul 08 13:34:28 but reflahing Jul 08 13:34:34 is not like upgrading Jul 08 13:34:38 ;\ Jul 08 13:34:43 upgrading is way easier Jul 08 13:35:01 e.g. if you add a field to a sql-database, you *ought* provide a script to adapt existing database as well Jul 08 13:35:25 ought is not a strong enough word :) Jul 08 13:35:36 you *deserve a death sentence if you don't* Jul 08 13:35:39 is more suitable ;) Jul 08 13:36:06 backup needs a way to export/import data from whatever is the project-data format. copying files usually isn't enough Jul 08 13:36:23 yep Jul 08 13:36:31 we must think about a backup formate Jul 08 13:36:42 -e Jul 08 13:36:56 and just build scripts that will import to the existing version no matter what changes have been done Jul 08 13:37:15 exactly Jul 08 13:37:27 probably through the use of soild API Jul 08 13:37:32 * SpeedEvil suggests tar. Jul 08 13:38:03 how should tar restore a changed sql??? Jul 08 13:39:55 basically tar is doing exactly that: copying files. We just found that's not the whole cake Jul 08 13:42:28 yes - I wasn't being serious. Jul 08 13:42:35 You need something rather complex alas. Jul 08 13:43:06 aye. Jul 08 13:43:08 XML! It's the solution to everything. Jul 08 13:43:37 why xml when you can use the less widely used and more complex (in my pov) yaml? Jul 08 13:43:38 :) Jul 08 13:44:02 meeheeeehe Jul 08 13:44:06 Or to really play with peoples heads that mozilla file format. Jul 08 13:44:12 anyhow, I'm off. Jul 08 13:44:28 That I forget the name of - and uses 34 different methods of quoting. Jul 08 13:44:46 SpeedEvil: isn't mozilla using sqlite as well nowadays? Jul 08 13:44:56 SpeedEvil, let's reinvent the wheel!!! I want a custom one! :) Jul 08 13:45:05 lol Jul 08 13:45:18 sybren: possibly. Jul 08 13:45:27 wait, I come up with a spec in 150sec Jul 08 13:45:32 sybren: The person responsible for the previous mess needs some reeducation. Jul 08 13:46:19 TAsn: It's more fun to adapt a wheel in such a way that it looks exactly like the previous wheel, but explodes at speeds that are an integer multiple of e. Jul 08 13:46:50 A generic solution would be so nice. Jul 08 13:47:10 But - I think a 'mostly works' solution is probably attainable. Jul 08 13:47:24 scripts then Jul 08 13:48:00 good ol'shellscripts Jul 08 13:48:10 DocScrutinizer: for the same problem (DB updates) at my work I use Liquibase. It's written in Java, but perhaps it's nice to look/sniff at for some inspiration Jul 08 13:48:10 And with the option to simply rollback to an earlier version if the flash borks things. Jul 08 13:49:38 DocScrutinizer, for *sql* you may fe find interested concept which used in RubyOnRails (or even use it) Jul 08 13:49:58 they have database version similar to svn revision (stored in db) Jul 08 13:50:18 SpeedEvil: regarding your wheel exploding at speeds comment, I think you just described opkg :) Jul 08 13:50:27 :) Jul 08 13:50:27 and developers write scripts to update rev, and descrees revision. Jul 08 14:00:18 DocScrutinizer: Do you know how high voltages can FR take over USB? 4x 1.2V NiMh batteries give out something like 5.5Volts - is that too much, is there a regulater/something that can take it? It's a pain to have the NiMH that recharge to over 1.2V.. Using a 5V regulator is an option as well as 5.1V diod but generally not good ideas as power's lost already before entering the phone.. Jul 08 14:01:30 rhkfin: 5V5 ABSOLUTE maximum Jul 08 14:02:12 DocScrutinizer: ok Jul 08 14:02:18 5V5 = 5.5V? Jul 08 14:03:54 rhkfin: usually best to use VBat of at least 7V, and regulator. Or switching reg that uplevels 2V5..3V to the needed 5 Jul 08 14:04:16 2V5=2.5V Jul 08 14:04:51 Hmm.. okay.. I just thought 4x 1.2 would be nice 4.8V but it doesn't seem to be that simple.. Jul 08 14:05:41 SpeedEvil, lol. Jul 08 14:06:16 nah, but actually even power over USB should work for 3V6..5V2 range Jul 08 14:06:47 so with 3 cells you might be fine Jul 08 14:06:50 rhkfin: A 5.1V diode is not an option Jul 08 14:07:03 rhkfin: they don't do what you think they do Jul 08 14:07:03 not at all Jul 08 14:07:48 * SpeedEvil would tend towards 2 Li-ion cells, and a buck Jul 08 14:08:03 me too Jul 08 14:08:04 Or two in parallel, and a boost Jul 08 14:08:23 DocScrutinizer: ah so I don't need to have 5V to be able to recharge? -> 3x 1.2V = 3.6V would already allow me to recharge the phone? Nice! Jul 08 14:08:47 buck? Jul 08 14:08:47 recharge: no. Operate: yes Jul 08 14:09:05 rhkfin: what are you trying to do? Jul 08 14:09:06 DocScrutinizer: hmm.. not enough.. Jul 08 14:09:35 A buck converter is a switched-mode efficient step-down converter Jul 08 14:09:44 rhkfin: there's ready-made usb-bat supplies Jul 08 14:09:46 they can have efficiencies in the region of 95% Jul 08 14:09:49 yeah Jul 08 14:09:50 SpeedEvil: trying to come up with an easy way to power up Freerunner on bike trip for a long time. (well, 12 hours would be a start.. gprs+gps+display on all the time..) Jul 08 14:10:34 Being able to use AA batteries allows me a longer time and better usability than the ready-made usb-batts.. Jul 08 14:10:57 There are complex solutions, and easy solutions. Jul 08 14:11:34 easy: use 5 cells and a LDO Jul 08 14:11:51 http://www.sureelectronics.net/goods.php?id=837 Jul 08 14:11:57 is one of the easy solutions Jul 08 14:12:07 And 6 or more cells. Jul 08 14:14:23 okay, I see.. I was thinking 4 cells would be enough but I was wrong :/ Well thanks for the tips, let's see what I come up with.. Jul 08 14:14:40 rhkfin: Or the _very_ easy solution. Jul 08 14:14:48 Car-USB adaptor. Jul 08 14:14:53 Teeny 12V lead-acid Jul 08 14:15:33 SpeedEvil: That's true - but not easy to recharge on a random place, is it? Jul 08 14:16:03 true Jul 08 14:16:10 you'd need a charhttp://cgi.ebay.co.uk/12v-2-4Ah-12-volt-2-2Ah-SLA-Battery-Yuasa-Type_W0QQitemZ300300144737QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_ConsumerElectronics_Batteries_SM?hash=item45eb489061&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1683|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50ger Jul 08 14:16:16 you'd need a charger Jul 08 14:16:54 hmm my prototype works Jul 08 14:17:43 SpeedEvil: 2.2A - I think the USB battery packs do better than that? Jul 08 14:17:49 (or 2.4A) Jul 08 14:17:51 Ah Jul 08 14:18:14 is there a interest for organizing tools for openmoko? Jul 08 14:18:17 Wattage = voltage * amperage Jul 08 14:18:22 sebbs: tools? Jul 08 14:18:47 12V*2.2Ah = 24Wh - the internal battery is 3.6V*1.2Ah = 4Wh Jul 08 14:19:13 well, hmm, it would take a while to explain, i kinda used 3 opensource software and added them together making them into one tool Jul 08 14:19:49 due to lack of time (otherwise i would have done it from scratch) Jul 08 14:19:59 SpeedEvil: you're right.. Jul 08 14:20:08 sebbs: show a screenshot Jul 08 14:20:09 then a i made a gui for it Jul 08 14:20:11 What does this tool do? Compile fortran? Pilot ICBMs? Jul 08 14:20:46 FORTRAN please ;-) Jul 08 14:22:13 rhkfin: i dont know what i would screenshoot, i think i will continue coding o this for myself then make something which i can exlpain how to use ^^ its a wild prototype of a GTD conforming tool which has a textbased backend but python popup windows as well Jul 08 14:22:49 oh and advanced date generated todo tickets, and overview tools etc Jul 08 14:22:53 sebbs: ok.. so instead tell me a use case scenario why would someone use it? Jul 08 14:24:50 rhkfin: i use it so that i can take input and create actions from them that i can do. then have a gui that presents me the actions so that i can work on them. do you know what GTD is ? Jul 08 14:25:25 you would use it to basically get things done ;P Jul 08 14:25:52 it gives you item to work with and when you are done you press done, and it gets checked off Jul 08 14:26:05 and puts it into a done file and another script generates a report of that Jul 08 14:26:13 sort of pim. sounds interesting Jul 08 14:26:14 im not very good at explaining as you can see Jul 08 14:26:24 yes but GTD Jul 08 14:27:32 sebbs: create a project out of it, you can host on OM.org somewhere Jul 08 14:28:17 yeah i would need to clean it up alot though and add the last of the features so its really useable Jul 08 14:28:45 is there any documentation i could look at which would be appropriate? (how to package to openmoko etc) Jul 08 14:28:51 a lot of the projects there are 0.0.1 Jul 08 14:29:02 i am not a programmer at all, i am a systemadmin Jul 08 14:29:25 the gtd system i use is more like a ticketing system then pim Jul 08 14:29:41 but very stripped down so its useful for day to day use Jul 08 14:29:49 DocScrutinizer: yes that is true Jul 08 14:29:52 sebbs: I'm a systemadmin too. I'm looking forward to testing pyneo.org - Debian on the freerunner :) Jul 08 14:29:58 sourceforge is filled with prealpha stuff Jul 08 14:30:05 sebbs: that way I can just do .deb packages etc. :) Jul 08 14:30:08 FiXion_: i was using debian before Jul 08 14:30:18 you can already install it Jul 08 14:30:22 sebbs: I know Jul 08 14:30:44 oh ok i missunderstood what you said i think Jul 08 14:30:49 i will look at pyneo Jul 08 14:32:01 seems interesting Jul 08 14:32:26 sebbs: http://projects.openmoko.org/ Jul 08 14:32:28 i wonder how well python would work on the phone though, its pretty heavy ive noticed Jul 08 14:33:36 Python can be fast! http://www.myhdl.org/ Jul 08 14:33:41 You need a FPGA though. Jul 08 14:33:44 now when RAM and stuff matters python is not very optimal, coding in C/C++ seems alot faster Jul 08 14:33:53 as well Jul 08 14:34:16 but i dont know, its hard to tell Jul 08 14:34:33 SpeedEvil: what is FPGA? Jul 08 14:34:44 sebbs: actual framework is mostly python Jul 08 14:35:04 FPGA = coporcessor basically Jul 08 14:35:20 DocScrutinizer: yes i have noticed, i was running a distro using neod which eat alot of RAM+cpu Jul 08 14:35:31 almost half of the phone Jul 08 14:35:54 cya, fellas Jul 08 14:36:06 bye Jul 08 14:36:46 python is a nice language to program with though, good documentation Jul 08 14:37:43 FiXion_: pyneo looks interesting Jul 08 14:38:32 i might trt it out when it gets more stable (from the looks of 'status' wlan is not working Jul 08 14:43:25 I think it is working. Jul 08 14:43:37 I tried neovento (another debian based ) and it worked fine Jul 08 14:44:02 it's too big for nand though - and I'm still waiting for my sd Jul 08 15:35:43 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07artwork * r3719edcbbc52 10/sounds/ (djgriffin-groove.wav female_message.wav female_ringtone.wav): artwork: add new soundset Jul 08 15:46:43 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r3b446e0de926 10/etc/freesmartphone/opreferences/conf/phone/default.yaml: etc: new ringtones Jul 08 16:09:48 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07cornucopia * r6fd80dcca4b7 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/logger.vala: logger.vala: Don't fail if the log level doesn't match expected values Jul 08 16:09:49 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07cornucopia * rb9c33797eff2 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/logger.vala: logger.vala: Append to the log file by default Jul 08 16:09:52 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07cornucopia * r5252c688c0cb 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/smartkeyfile.vala: smartkeyfile.vala: Strip string values to catch trailing whitespaces Jul 08 16:16:44 What will I lose if I change the default scenario from steroout to voip-handset? Jul 08 16:17:18 call ringing? Jul 08 16:17:23 :) Jul 08 16:19:43 Hm, that's bad Jul 08 16:19:53 Not that I need it, but anyway :) Jul 08 16:20:30 vibrating is sometimes enough :) Jul 08 16:20:36 *vibration Jul 08 16:20:45 what are you trying to achieve? Jul 08 16:20:59 I want to be able to record sound Jul 08 16:21:06 For guitar tuner, dictating, etc. Jul 08 16:22:31 (Actually, I wrote a python-elementary frontend to arecord, and I wanted to test it :) ) Jul 08 16:30:43 spanish? Jul 08 16:32:52 thrashold, you don't have to use the voip-handset scenario Jul 08 16:33:07 thrashold, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem Jul 08 16:33:13 you can just tweak steeout Jul 08 16:33:15 :) Jul 08 16:33:17 stereout* Jul 08 16:38:05 TAsn: thrashold: exactly Jul 08 16:38:32 DocScrutinizer, I know you agree, you thought me everything I know :) (well, you and PaulFertser) Jul 08 16:38:57 and if you wait another few days, you may use my ACI-virtual audio devices ans even safe that thweaking all together Jul 08 16:40:03 thrashold: you simply use handset-mic for alsa recording device then and everything fine Jul 08 16:40:46 as long as no conflicting (ACI compliant) scenario is active Jul 08 16:41:10 s/thought/taught/ Jul 08 16:41:11 TAsn meant: DocScrutinizer, I know you agree, you taught me everything I know :) (well, you and PaulFertser) Jul 08 16:41:12 shameful :( Jul 08 16:42:08 thrashold: the idea of ACI is no app ever needs to care about scenarios again Jul 08 16:43:06 Thanks. Now that I looked at the scenarios, I actually got even more confused. :P :D Jul 08 16:43:08 as ALSA "automagically" is loading correct "mini-scenario" for the particular device's needs Jul 08 16:44:09 Amp Spk Switch controls whether the sound goes to the headphones or the speaker on the phone? Jul 08 16:44:38 thrashold: I know I'm talking way too long about that now, but recently we got almost all the parts together and it's coming RSN ;-) Jul 08 16:46:54 (spl sw) yup Jul 08 16:48:37 though there's a bad hw-gotcha: switching to sounder-speaker doesn't mean headphones are disabled completely, so it's strongly deprecated to do this while hp are plugged in (dangerous high level on one ear!) Jul 08 17:33:33 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07artwork * rc5637fc380d7 10/sounds/ (female_message.wav female_ringtone.wav): artwork: sounds: increase loudness; convert to mono Jul 08 18:10:47 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07libfso-glib * r521fd8f4d22a 10/src/ (Makefile.am fso-glib-1.0.deps): Added .deps file Jul 08 18:47:39 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rb25071ebad10 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_messages.py: opimd: Messages: comment check_new_message. It doesn't work now, only slows down everything. Jul 08 18:47:40 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r7c8160beef31 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:framework Jul 08 19:38:10 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r5ddc6141d91b 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sqlite_messages.py: opimd: SQLite-Messages: remove Date field and add Timestamp and Timezone fields Jul 08 19:38:11 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * re8bd2f68b091 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (pimb_ogsmd_calls.py pimb_sqlite_calls.py pimd_calls.py): opimd: Add Calls domain, SQLite-Calls backend and ogsmd-Calls backend (handler) Jul 08 19:38:12 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r48a08e4cdaf3 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/__init__.py: opimd: register new domain and backends Jul 08 19:50:01 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r4da4797e8886 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_ogsmd_calls.py: opimd: ogsmd-Calls: store Timezone data Jul 08 20:08:57 nyargh.. for anyone who though OM had the monopoly on dodgy sound quality, i've just had a hellish job trying to give my address over the phone :S Jul 08 20:11:39 lol Jul 08 20:12:27 So... A girl calls you to get your phone number because she thinks you're cute... You say "2", she hears "22"... Disastrous, isn't it? :) Jul 08 20:13:24 lol Jul 08 20:13:57 i think my tickets are going to get dispatched to the "Apartment of Material Silence", instead of the "Department of Materials Science" Jul 08 20:13:59 So, instead of calling you later on, she calls some guy on the other side of the planet who has no idea what she's talking about. Jul 08 20:14:53 i think the microphone has some mud in it. but because the manufacturer didn't provide the right screwdriver, i can't clean it out.. >:-> Jul 08 20:15:55 i think my postcode is unique to my department though, so it should be ok Jul 08 20:21:02 Weiss: get a TX6, to be found in every good toolstore Jul 08 20:22:42 nononono, you misread :) - i have all parts of the "Openmoko ultra-geek expansion pack", i was complaining about my samsung.. Jul 08 20:32:06 ah, fortunately there's an online system to fix the address Jul 08 20:38:14 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r731f1af8b853 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sqlite_messages.py: opimd: SQLite-Messages: fix typo Jul 08 22:33:12 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * ra6971d699ae2 10/misc-vapi/vapi/posixextra.vapi: misc-vapi: posixextra: add nice(2) Jul 08 23:49:33 hows the latest shr-unstable kernel? Jul 08 23:55:07 how do i turn off the screen on the phone? Jul 08 23:55:43 its plugged into the wall but the screen is on all the time full lit, and it feels like its a waist of screen(since it will not work forever and the more its used to sooner it breaks) Jul 08 23:56:40 perhaps i should just install a screensaver Jul 08 23:57:26 power settings on shr maybe Jul 09 00:06:07