**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 04 02:59:57 2009 Aug 04 05:10:56 WO HOO! Aug 04 05:11:01 got my google voice in today Aug 04 05:12:54 rooly: me too! Aug 04 05:12:55 :) Aug 04 05:13:10 I was so excited to receive the invitation... Aug 04 05:13:21 mine came in at 6:19 today Aug 04 05:13:39 1952 est Aug 04 05:14:27 The best I could do in my hometown area was my initials... Good enough. Aug 04 05:14:33 right, 18:19 cst Aug 04 05:14:48 i couldn't get what i wanted in my area Aug 04 05:15:41 so i got ohio Aug 04 05:15:46 419 66 rooly Aug 04 05:16:11 Nice. Aug 04 05:16:39 I don't really have a use for the whole multiple phone thing yet because I only have a cellphone, but the voicemail feature is really awesome. Aug 04 05:16:47 I tried leaving a message and it transcribed it perfectly. Aug 04 05:16:53 cool Aug 04 05:17:17 Now if only there was an OM app :) Aug 04 05:17:39 i'm writing a telephony server Aug 04 05:17:46 using python, wx, and sql Aug 04 05:17:55 Ooh, sounds interesting. Aug 04 05:18:01 and i'm scratching the whole x-server idea Aug 04 05:18:22 I'm hoping to be able to do some development fairly soon... I kind of overloaded myself with projects. Aug 04 05:18:50 So right now, after installing the buzzfix, I haven't really used my freerunner other than as a phone and media player. Aug 04 05:22:12 Also, I'm having trouble getting WiFi to work, even when I try to do things manually with wpa_supplicant. Aug 04 05:22:33 Though I'm not entirely convinced it's a phone problm... I have reason to suspect that my router has been acting up Aug 04 05:23:01 jjwc: its a phone problem Aug 04 05:23:04 mine is giving trouble too Aug 04 05:23:43 Ah... I remember reading on the lists about some breakage due to a kernel upgrade, but I don't know if that info was current or not. Aug 04 05:25:29 so Aug 04 05:25:45 i'm considering this whole integrate google voice into the phone stack Aug 04 05:26:56 Hmm, interesting idea. Aug 04 05:27:07 yesh Aug 04 05:27:17 This could allow you to screen for calls based on the contacts list in the phone, no? Aug 04 05:27:28 it could Aug 04 05:27:46 i don't know the api Aug 04 05:27:52 but it can't be hard with python Aug 04 05:28:00 my new favorite language Aug 04 05:28:12 Google usually designs decent and well thought-out APIs in my experience. Aug 04 05:28:19 And yes, Python is a wonderful lang. Aug 04 05:28:34 Though I suspect it's the cause of some of the slowness with embedded devices like the fr Aug 04 05:29:03 hmm Aug 04 05:29:16 this also means one can kill an sms subscription and get just data Aug 04 05:29:42 Yeah, I don't have a SMS plan so I had to turn off the voicemail alerts and leave it them at my email. Aug 04 05:30:13 I'm on a college campus 90% of the time, so I don't really need a data plan either so long as I have WiFi. Aug 04 05:31:05 hmm Aug 04 05:31:09 are browsers hard to make? Aug 04 05:31:21 i mean, back, forward, home, location, and render it, right? Aug 04 05:31:30 Web browsers? Pretty easy thanks to webkit. Aug 04 05:31:33 maybe a favorites Aug 04 05:31:34 Check out uzbl Aug 04 05:31:44 i wanna add a browser to my stack Aug 04 05:32:36 I can do most of my stuff through SSH. Aug 04 05:33:03 As long as I can get into my server, I'm good for email, etc. Browsing might be possible through VNC. Aug 04 05:34:08 The less work the proc has to do, the happier everyone is. Aug 04 05:34:30 SO Aug 04 05:36:45 Oh, wow, I have to get up in 4 hours... Better get some rest... Aug 04 05:36:51 'night rooly Aug 04 05:36:55 nn Aug 04 05:38:05 home, contacts, calls, messages( sms, im, email ), calender, browser, settings Aug 04 05:39:26 and home will have the time, a dialer button, a power button, and notifications Aug 04 05:40:00 however, i'm thinking about putting notifiers as numbers in each tab Aug 04 06:01:37 dont suppose anyone in here knows about XPembeddeds EWF Aug 04 06:02:06 or knows a channel that would Aug 04 07:04:40 openmoko: 03werner * r5382 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (expr.c gui.c inst.c util.c): Aug 04 07:04:40 openmoko: Valgrind and gcc -O: Aug 04 07:04:40 openmoko: - stralloc_vprintf: used snprintf instead of vsnprintf. Oops ! Aug 04 07:04:40 openmoko: - build_frames: didn't initialize "n" Aug 04 07:04:40 openmoko: - added a few initializations to stop gcc from complaining Aug 04 07:24:15 openmoko: 03werner * r5383 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (6 files): - renamed gui_icons to gui_tools Aug 04 08:40:37 hi, is there a ipkg package for zhone application? where i can found it? thanks in advance Aug 04 08:41:43 my fault i found it from ipkg list command, sorry Aug 04 08:54:36 morning Aug 04 09:32:37 woot, watching my home security cameras on the FR :) Aug 04 09:33:32 :) Aug 04 09:34:23 sure as hell couldnt do that on the brokeberry Aug 04 09:35:37 hey, publish a howto! ;-) Aug 04 09:36:06 open browser, go to zoneminder where you've got the cameras connected Aug 04 09:36:19 the real task was getting zoneminder set up Aug 04 09:36:27 but that's not OM related Aug 04 09:36:35 :) Aug 04 09:36:37 midori sucks balls by the way Aug 04 09:36:46 ack Aug 04 09:37:00 and dillo doesnt do javascript Aug 04 09:37:05 galaxies through nano-tubes? Aug 04 09:37:14 Meomer: entirely Aug 04 09:40:11 is there a way to disable the broken ass predictive url entry? Aug 04 09:40:14 in midori? Aug 04 09:40:34 if you backspace, then try to enter any characters, it keeps backspacing Aug 04 09:40:56 is there an about:config? Aug 04 09:41:08 dunno, cant type shit in there Aug 04 09:43:12 hmm, started it with about:config as param, seems there isn't one Aug 04 09:49:12 and as scarce as screen area is on this thing, that "warning you are running this as superuser" bar eats up enough to be annoying Aug 04 11:17:36 in SHR, when the phone resumes from standby through a GSM event, the phone does not again return to standby until it receives a user event like a mouse move Aug 04 11:17:40 is this a feature? Aug 04 11:20:43 jaj: i noticed that too Aug 04 11:46:14 is there a good way to paste something like a wep key? Aug 04 12:06:08 openmoko: 03werner * r5384 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (18 files): (log message trimmed) Aug 04 12:06:08 openmoko: GUI can create silk screen objects. Aug 04 12:06:08 openmoko: - made xpm name manipulation compatible with older versions of ImageMagick Aug 04 12:06:08 openmoko: (reported by Alvaro Lopes) Aug 04 12:06:08 openmoko: - corrected all lines beginning with five or more spaces Aug 04 12:06:11 openmoko: - Makefile Aug 04 12:06:13 openmoko: - README: fixed loop example (reported by Joerg Reisenweber) Aug 04 13:12:10 ~botsnack Aug 04 13:36:10 Hi, I have bitbake error (DeprecationWarning: the sets module is deprecated) for openmoko SHR project, I add python-native to the list of ASSUME_PROVIDED packages in build/conf/site.conf. Next, there is a python package to re-build with bitbake,no? Aug 04 13:44:49 this error stop me to run bitbake in OE, any suggestion anyone? Aug 04 13:49:15 albacore: I had many compilation errors and/or execution error each time i tried to compile SHR, but i haven't have your problem, i'm jealous :p Aug 04 13:52:36 I can do without it, it's so hard for me to use OE Aug 04 14:00:14 possible reason : "The version of python is slightly newer in Ubuntu 9.04 (2.6.2c1) compared Aug 04 14:00:16 > to the version downloaded by bitbake (2.6.1)" (ref. http://www.nabble.com/Need-Help-with-BB-Error-td23118397.html). But after add python-native to the list of ASSUME_PROVIDED, I don't know what to do Aug 04 14:08:12 so, I will run 'bitbake image' this night with python-native to the list of ASSUME_PROVIDED packages in build/conf/site.conf, maybe there 'll no bitbake error. Aug 04 14:09:10 (make image) Aug 04 17:15:09 neotool says that i have more than one devices connected, but i dont! can anyone help me out Aug 04 17:17:25 ah reading wiki careful helps (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util#Troubleshooting_notes) Aug 04 17:35:39 PaulFertser, AYT? Aug 04 17:36:38 der-lehmann: you can have more than one dfu-capable devide connected to your usb bus (i.e. a webcam), that is noe a neo freerunner Aug 04 17:37:49 when i flash my phone w. dfu-util, i have to specify the phone, because the buildt in web cam om my asus eee if dfu-compatible Aug 04 17:38:17 it works fine with the command line tool dfu-util Aug 04 17:39:25 i think the problem is the gnome-network-manager! with wicd has i no problems Aug 04 18:03:10 openmoko: 03werner * r5385 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (9 files): Aug 04 18:03:10 openmoko: - previous Makefile change was: tentative fix for compatibility with older Aug 04 18:03:10 openmoko: ImageMagick versions (reported by Alvaro Lopes) Aug 04 18:03:10 openmoko: - we can now also select the frame's origin as a reference Aug 04 18:03:10 openmoko: - added general frame selection logic Aug 04 18:03:11 openmoko: - make sure we always use %s when passing names to status_set_name Aug 04 18:03:13 openmoko: - we can now drag endpoints (in progress) Aug 04 18:56:31 in SHR, when you loose your home network and it connects to some network limited to "SOS only", it does not reconnect to your home network when it's available again Aug 04 18:58:55 jaj: i can't see how it could be SHR related... Aug 04 18:59:04 jaj: reconnecting to network is modem's job Aug 04 18:59:23 dos1: I don't know whether it's SHR related or not Aug 04 18:59:48 jaj: upgrade modem firmware if you didn't do that and then check Aug 04 19:00:37 dos1: I did do that Aug 04 19:01:03 jaj: then check, if you have "automatic" connection type in shr-settings->Phone->GSM->Modem information Aug 04 19:01:14 jaj: if yes, then there is nothing you (we) can do Aug 04 19:01:42 it's something libgsm0710 could perhaps take care of Aug 04 19:01:48 jaj: no Aug 04 19:02:08 dos1: it could scan periodically for available networks Aug 04 19:02:13 jaj: libgsm0710* is only GSM 07.10 muxer Aug 04 19:02:27 libgsm0710mux ? Aug 04 19:02:32 jaj: noo, please don't! that's awfull wasting of battery :/ Aug 04 19:02:59 and it would be layer violation, as that's not libgsm0710 job ;P Aug 04 19:03:17 only when you are not connected to a reasonable network Aug 04 19:04:30 the GSM modem doesn't seem to do the job, I'm at a place where I have an excellent signal with my home network for some hours now and it stays registred to some other network that offers "SOS only" Aug 04 19:04:54 only because I went biking to the forest this afternoon :) Aug 04 19:09:09 (oh and yes, I'm in automatic mode of course) Aug 04 19:11:27 scanning for networks via AT-interface means you lose connectivity during a rather long period. I honestly doubt anybody is willing to cope with this Aug 04 19:12:09 in this situation you don't have any connectivity anyway Aug 04 19:12:58 and the only way to get back your connectivity is to scan periodically via the GUI... Aug 04 19:13:11 you actually have, you can place an SOS call. I don't think it's sensible to block this feature and tell user "please wait, scanning in progress" Aug 04 19:14:07 well you could provide an on/off slider in the phone settings menu, that would not be a major issue Aug 04 19:14:07 ChristW: hey Aug 04 19:14:09 btw this might be a good reason for the calypso-FW developers to design it this way Aug 04 19:14:15 DocScrutinizer: i'm back again, HI :D Aug 04 19:14:23 hi! :D Aug 04 19:14:41 jaj: it is provided ;x Aug 04 19:14:55 jaj: on/off toggle in shr-settings->Phone->GSM Aug 04 19:15:16 dos1: that's not what I was talking about Aug 04 19:16:18 jaj: ah, ok, now i understand Aug 04 19:16:30 jaj: and i'm strongly AGAINST Aug 04 19:16:34 :) Aug 04 19:16:55 can you scan networks and connect to one via dbus? Aug 04 19:17:28 jaj: yes, that's how shr-settings is doing that Aug 04 19:17:54 well then I can just write a shell script that does what I want :) Aug 04 19:18:26 yup, you bought a Freerunner, not a Nokia or googlephone ;-D Aug 04 19:18:46 bbl, diner Aug 04 19:19:25 DocScrutinizer: yes I know, I'm trying to improve the usability of the freerunner, not the googlephone ;) Aug 04 19:20:09 free your phone :-D Aug 04 19:20:17 bye Aug 04 19:20:27 DocScrutinizer: good dinner Aug 04 19:20:33 thnx Aug 04 19:21:06 by the way, does anybody know if a GPRS connection survives the fact / is reestablished when I lost the network and connect back? Aug 04 19:22:17 should Aug 04 19:22:28 any confirmation appreciated Aug 04 19:43:34 OK, what about these WhiteScreens after suspend. still gta01, will check actual uBoot version later, SHR with very recent 2.6.29 or recent 2.6.29 (now checking what 2.6.24 is doing). longish wait before resume, otherwise thingswork as expected resume triggered from powering USB can alsoresult in WS. What can I try to figure out what causes it, or improve it? Aug 04 19:57:34 elementary question (but not a question about elementary), how does one move their home dir in shr? Aug 04 19:57:46 to say, an sd part Aug 04 19:59:29 vi /etc/passwd ? alternatively, mv and -ln -s Aug 04 19:59:40 mount it as home in /etc/fstab? Aug 04 20:26:42 <[Rui]> DAMN IT! Aug 04 20:26:56 <[Rui]> Since moving to SHR twice I had a power break, and twice it doesn't boot anymore Aug 04 20:27:16 <[Rui]> FAT: bogus number of reserved sectors Aug 04 20:29:15 FAT? Aug 04 20:36:30 <[Rui]> dos1: yeah Aug 04 20:36:56 <[Rui]> dos1: and if I put up the u-boot menu, and choose boot, it goes much further Aug 04 20:37:07 <[Rui]> it even launches the xserver, but just for a few seconds before it does Aug 04 20:37:16 <[Rui]> I'm daring to try a new shr image Aug 04 20:37:26 <[Rui]> anyone know how're the latest? Aug 04 20:37:35 but why FAT? ;x Aug 04 20:38:06 <[Rui]> tonight, before loosing battery while trying to swap battery, I was about two hours straight with wifi network with the "reliable wifi" wificonfig command Aug 04 20:38:23 <[Rui]> dos1: is that a rethoric question, somehow? Aug 04 20:38:51 i'm not using FAT at all in FR Aug 04 20:38:56 and i'm booting from uSD ;P Aug 04 20:39:23 s/u/µ/ Aug 04 20:39:23 dos1 meant: and i'm booting from µSD ;P Aug 04 20:39:55 <[Rui]> dos1: maybe you're using the sd card? Aug 04 20:40:06 <[Rui]> dos1: yeah, right... sorry... visual lag :D Aug 04 20:40:16 <[Rui]> dos1: I'm flashing to nand Aug 04 20:40:27 i'm using always ext3 Aug 04 20:40:58 <[Rui]> hahaha Aug 04 20:41:01 <[Rui]> http://arrastao.org/ficheiros/rui-seabra-software.jpg Aug 04 20:41:16 <[Rui]> someone drew me :) Aug 04 20:41:50 <[Rui]> I represented a blog blog.softwarelivre.sapo.pt at a session where a politician was dialoguing with bloggers Aug 04 21:45:37 openmoko: 03werner * r5386 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (12 files): (log message trimmed) Aug 04 21:45:37 openmoko: - README: described use of semicolons Aug 04 21:45:37 openmoko: - README: added that loops can also execute zero times Aug 04 21:45:37 openmoko: - accept labels only at the beginning of a line Aug 04 21:45:37 openmoko: - rectangles and lines no longer use the bounding box for drawing (caused Aug 04 21:45:38 openmoko: offset problems since we now correct for the line width) Aug 04 21:45:42 openmoko: - dist_rect and inside_rect no longer require their input pre-sorted Aug 04 21:46:30 hmm Aug 04 21:46:59 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TangoGps that converting script leaves me with a lot of empty xml stanzas Aug 04 21:47:17 anyone else using something to convert tango logs to gpx? Aug 04 21:47:37 I just logged the raw NMEA Aug 04 21:47:41 I found it better Aug 04 21:47:57 gpsbabel can go from columnar text to GPX Aug 04 21:48:37 oh, and that is in the ubuntu reps, gonna try that Aug 04 21:56:26 2.6.24 does not show WS, it seems. now what? Aug 04 22:01:05 speedevil: do you add some magic to get a route from all the waypoints? Aug 04 22:01:18 yes Aug 04 22:01:46 I would here respond with my script - but it's on one of 6 hard drives in a pile at the moment Aug 04 22:02:16 there is some waypoint->trackpoint->route thing you need to do in the gpsbable commandline Aug 04 22:02:54 oh Aug 04 22:03:00 just seen it in the manpage Aug 04 22:03:12 it's neatly hidden with a lot of different filters :) Aug 04 22:04:18 now i just have to google the difference between tracks and routes :) Aug 04 22:07:31 gpsbabel -i nmea -f - -x transform,wpt=trk,del -x radius,distance=1.2K,lat=56.209,lon=-3.117,exclude,nosort -x transform,trk=wpt,del -o gpx -F $x.pure.gpx Aug 04 22:07:57 you want something like the second half od that command - excluding the delete points in radius thing I think Aug 04 22:08:04 it's been a wile though Aug 04 22:10:10 actually i might fiddle with that too Aug 04 22:14:57 or not, as it's not the filter i thought it'd be :) Aug 05 00:03:05 ... yawn. Aug 05 00:32:42 openmoko: 03werner * r5387 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (11 files): Aug 05 00:32:42 openmoko: Added delete/undelete. Aug 05 00:32:42 openmoko: - when moving a point, we no longer restrict the area around the original Aug 05 00:32:42 openmoko: position once the drag radius has been left Aug 05 00:32:42 openmoko: - objects can now be deleted by selecting them and pressing Delete Aug 05 00:32:43 openmoko: - deleted objects can be restored by pressing "u" **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Aug 05 02:59:56 2009