**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 07 02:59:57 2009 Aug 07 03:41:38 <|if3> flash kernel before fs? Aug 07 03:58:03 <|if3> flashing awayyyyyy Aug 07 04:03:11 <|if3> lame Aug 07 04:03:11 <|if3> haha Aug 07 04:03:21 <|if3> rule number one: don't power off while updating (y) Aug 07 06:18:40 son of a bitch Aug 07 06:18:57 make[1]: *** [strdup.o] Error 1 Aug 07 06:18:57 make[1]: Leaving directory `/media/card/files/src/Tk-804.028/pTk' Aug 07 06:18:57 make: *** [pTk/libpTk.a] Error 2 Aug 07 07:50:54 * ndnihil sits on the edge of his chair Aug 07 07:51:23 FUCK FUCK FUCK Aug 07 07:51:31 sex sex sx Aug 07 07:51:37 hi Aug 07 07:51:51 it got to manifying stuff Aug 07 07:51:56 and I got excited Aug 07 07:52:11 thinking the compile was a success Aug 07 07:52:26 but errors Aug 07 08:23:59 manitu: heh :-D Aug 07 08:24:12 DocScrutinizer: hi there :) Aug 07 10:30:59 Hi! Just a quick question: On this page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions#Connectivity it says that FDOM has VoIP. But on the FDOM page I couldn't find anything specifying that. I'm just asking because I'm thinking about buying an openmoko phone and would like to know about the possibilities beforehand. Thanks! Aug 07 11:22:01 danielpi, it's linux Aug 07 11:22:08 if you have a voip software Aug 07 11:22:13 you can probably compile it to work on the moko Aug 07 11:24:07 anyway, on GPRS VoIP is... humm, difficult. Mrmoku was about to port twinklephone to SHR. Also Linphone is avilable allegedly Aug 07 11:24:41 but you probably will wnat to use this via WLAN only anyway Aug 07 11:25:01 DocScrutinizer, of course. :) Aug 07 11:25:20 brb (hopefully) Aug 07 11:25:29 and NO, there's NO skype port, and prolly never will be Aug 07 11:28:00 you mean good old skyp that provides an ancient version for linux only? Aug 07 11:28:32 skype would need to provide an ARM binary. Aug 07 11:28:34 They don't. Aug 07 11:28:56 (well - or the hardware would need to be fast enough to run it in qemu) Aug 07 11:29:00 and hopefully never will Aug 07 11:29:19 there was some noise that skype has licensing issues and my die completely Aug 07 11:29:22 skype has a number of very bad problems for mobile use. Aug 07 11:29:23 skype is *evil* Aug 07 11:29:31 DocScrutinizer: well I wasn't thinking about voiping on gprs. my idea was that as I'll be going to japan next year I wanted to use a voip software with wlan Aug 07 11:29:37 Primarily it's got horrendus bandwidth problems. Aug 07 11:29:40 s/for mobile use// Aug 07 11:29:44 viq, yes, well, that would be nice but I dare not be too hopeful Aug 07 11:29:55 yeah, I don't like skype either Aug 07 11:30:19 the thing was that i couldn't find neither twinkle nor linphone on opkg.org Aug 07 11:30:41 and somehow I can't find anything on that with google Aug 07 11:30:50 are there how-tos? Aug 07 11:31:12 (and besides... I'm not interested in skype! ;) ) Aug 07 11:31:20 btw I don't give a shit but really doubt ebay will let die skype, after they bought it for 4bilion bucks Aug 07 11:31:48 DocScrutinizer, indeed Aug 07 11:32:52 Do I trust skype to not install backdoors to log calls - maybe - probably not. Aug 07 11:33:14 danielpi, just open a ticket in the shr trac and we'll build them for you. Aug 07 11:33:17 (if you use shr) Aug 07 11:33:31 Do I trust them enough to run a binary that is a perfect vector for malware if it's got bugs - and is expected to stealthily open network connections - absolutely not. Aug 07 11:33:48 SpeedEvil, :) Aug 07 11:33:56 danielpi: linphone is allegedly available somewhere. don't ask me bout details - I hate linphone (twinkle co-devel here ;-). Mrmoku's efforts to port twinkle core to a veritable FSO-voip-core are slow but not yet burried. Prolly any help welcome Aug 07 11:35:31 SpeedEvil: they crypt their ELF binary. They *could* even eavesdrop on your mic and webcam, without you ever noticing Aug 07 11:35:52 TAsn, DocScrutinizer: ah that's cool to hear. Thank you for the info (and for beeing twinkle co-devel!). So you both would recommend me buying an openmoko? Aug 07 11:36:21 DocScrutinizer: yup - though strace would have revealed any obvious normal operation malware Aug 07 11:36:33 if you have fun in tweaking a linux system,then yes buy one Aug 07 11:36:34 danielpi, I can only tell you I bought one Aug 07 11:36:39 nothing more than that ;) Aug 07 11:38:39 hehe, well I kind of link that, that's why I'm using gentoo... but for a phone it should be somehow useable... what are your experiences? are you using it as daily phone? I can easily accept some problems, but phoning and sending text messages should somehow work... ;) Aug 07 11:40:57 yup, SHR-U090703 daily usage here. Works better than some motorola and/or SE phones (most of the time ;-) Aug 07 11:42:23 don't consider to use it for "mission critical" things though Aug 07 11:42:58 DocScrutinizer: are there any nice calendar/expenses/other things for SHR? I am kind of sold on hackable1 because of what they have Aug 07 11:43:40 viq: I'm not up to date on what you may install via opkg on SHR Aug 07 11:44:15 hey, in the end it's a plain vanilla linux system Aug 07 11:44:26 DocScrutinizer: yap, that's the impression I got reading the shr manual on the wiki... looks pretty cool and usable! Aug 07 11:44:32 with X and Illume WM Aug 07 11:44:57 I think I'll buy a freerunner in september or october Aug 07 11:45:14 If you can compile it an install it on your desktop in 1998 - you can probably do the same on the FR Aug 07 11:45:36 SpeedEvil: 1998 ? ouch Aug 07 11:45:41 (No, a time machine is not required to setup a toolchain) Aug 07 11:45:44 I'd say 2001 even Aug 07 11:46:51 one thing is for sure: KDE with compiz won't work ;-P Aug 07 11:48:21 viq: SHR devels do a great job to have opimd integrated in FSO and in a few weeks there should be frontends to use that as well Aug 07 11:48:55 nice Aug 07 11:49:03 viq: currently opimd is learning to manage calendar domain AIUI Aug 07 11:49:21 contacts, and (SMS)messages alredy there Aug 07 11:49:59 viq: for expenses you need to google... no idea Aug 07 11:50:03 sweet Aug 07 11:50:19 there's omoney that's somewhat broken, or at least was when i last tried to use it Aug 07 11:50:37 todo list? Aug 07 11:50:37 bbl, cya Aug 07 11:59:46 does there a subversion opkg package exist for OM2009? Aug 07 12:09:31 there is a git package on shr, i wonder if that can pull from svn Aug 07 12:12:32 you need git-svn for that, which depends on the SVN client itself Aug 07 12:13:43 as i understand it, at least Aug 07 12:14:57 jo aha, nevedel jsem, ze umi mhd Aug 07 12:15:02 error Aug 07 12:24:40 subversion is buildable in SHR, i had it on my FR some time ago Aug 07 12:27:36 dos1: is sms delivery report working for you already? looking at scap, didn't work for me... Aug 07 12:27:53 vanous123: hmm? where? Aug 07 12:28:09 dos1: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/204dcbc9178442263384681e7cf5c59a.png Aug 07 12:28:34 vanous123: yes, it works Aug 07 12:28:57 dos1: hmm, i have really bad signal here, will have to try outside... Aug 07 12:29:21 dos1: you have standard fso from shr-u, right? Aug 07 12:29:43 vanous123: are you using opimd-utils? why? Aug 07 12:30:43 dos1: using wouldn't be the right word, but playing... yes. ples, sms notify is what i need, also searching for contacts by keyboard Aug 07 12:31:12 vanous123: well, ok, but keep in mind it's not phone suite Aug 07 12:31:20 vanous123: it's only set of test scripts Aug 07 12:31:44 dos1: yes, i read your emails :) Aug 07 12:32:07 vanous123: ok :) Aug 07 12:32:36 vanous123: delivered message should just change icon in bubble, nothing more Aug 07 12:32:49 i see Aug 07 12:34:44 vanous123: is opimd-contacts working ok for you? Aug 07 12:35:40 dos1: you haven't uploaded the latest version, where i can edit contacts :) Aug 07 12:36:00 dos1: i think it worked before, now i get _not implemented_ Aug 07 12:36:04 vanous123: i didn't do editing contacts at all yet :P Aug 07 12:36:15 dos1: i see Aug 07 12:36:43 and it won't be implemented soon, as now it's time to work at opimd itself Aug 07 12:36:56 when i'll miss gui programming again, then i'll implement adding/editing :D Aug 07 12:37:30 i thought you were killing time :) Aug 07 12:46:57 vanous123: i'm killing time with programming generally ;) Aug 07 12:47:14 before with shr-settings, now with opimd Aug 07 12:47:33 but programming middleware can became boring after some time :P Aug 07 12:48:21 in situations like that i'm tweaking shr-settings or coding opimd-utils Aug 07 12:48:23 ;) Aug 07 12:48:33 :) Aug 07 12:48:42 oh Aug 07 12:48:54 my /var/log/frameworkd.log is 58MB :x Aug 07 12:49:18 ogpsd with loglevel=DEBUG... and it seems i forgot to turn gps off xD Aug 07 12:49:24 dos1: huh Aug 07 12:49:24 dos1, btw I met someone today who's considering a complete move to shr thanks to opmid-utils (till now he only dual-booted it) Aug 07 12:50:36 morning all Aug 07 12:51:34 has anyone ever had to calibrate their FR's touchscreen? Aug 07 12:51:47 omaha, me, kinda Aug 07 12:51:54 I mean, I need to calibrate it Aug 07 12:51:59 though I haven't yet ;) Aug 07 12:52:40 do you run ts_calibrate from a shell or is there some gui button that points to a calibration routine? Aug 07 12:52:43 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r39fc58745324 10/docs/ogsmd/ussd-session: docs: add (longer) ussd session Aug 07 12:52:44 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r6df146d1485a 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: Aug 07 12:52:44 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: fix GetCallForwarding unhandled exception in response callback. Closes #462 Aug 07 12:52:44 freesmartphone.org: Thanks to 'Michael' (please include your E-Mail address, if you want proper credit ;) Aug 07 12:55:47 mickeyl: Michael sent me mail with patch to shr-settings. field "from" has only "Michael" ;D Aug 07 12:56:05 and that commit reminds me to commit that patch Aug 07 12:56:07 ;) Aug 07 12:56:10 omaha, as I said, I haven't done it yet. Aug 07 12:56:48 in om2007.2 days when ladscape mode was miscalibrating ts, i was calibrating it with xtscal Aug 07 12:56:53 but now it doesn't seem to work Aug 07 12:57:24 hehe Aug 07 12:57:48 i read on the openmoko website that xtscal seems to no longer be maintained, that ts_calibrate is the new routine of choice Aug 07 12:58:45 really i'm just trying to find anyone with a recent distribution on any machine anywhere that has successfully calibrated a touchscreen driven by evdev Aug 07 13:00:11 xtscal is no longer maintained, ts_calibrate only supports pressure-sensitive screens, and it leads me to believe that non-pressure sensitive touchscreens are simply not supported in recent combinations of X ( >= 1.5) Aug 07 13:01:58 omaha: neo devices have pressure sensitive screens, so i don't think this is not good place :( Aug 07 13:03:47 my thought was to find someone who could say with certainty that a given (any) pressure-sensitive screen is calibrate-able with ts_calibrate (or by other means) with some known version of tslib, that would help me at least establish some ground truth to work from :) Aug 07 13:05:15 my buddy will be here with his FR soon, but it seems the openmoko community has most of google's attention when searching for info on ts_calibrate Aug 07 13:11:45 vanous123: oh, there is really bug with delivery reports ;x Aug 07 13:12:49 hmm, strange Aug 07 13:15:40 dos1: yes Aug 07 13:15:54 dos1: i cannot test now, have gsm gate on Aug 07 13:16:15 vanous123: no problem, i already have enough debug information Aug 07 13:16:26 as i reproduced it on my neo Aug 07 13:16:31 dos1: good Aug 07 13:28:18 thanks for the help everybody... bye! Aug 07 13:37:43 great. SSH in SHR now lets me login with two different passwords Aug 07 13:37:55 openmoko: 03werner * r5400 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (13 files): Aug 07 13:37:55 openmoko: - fpd.y: fixed check for empty part name Aug 07 13:37:55 openmoko: - added new-style measurements (experimental) Aug 07 13:38:32 actually, it lets me login with other passwords too Aug 07 13:40:17 aack! it seems that you only need to get the first 8 chars correct, and SSH lets you in!! Aug 07 13:41:05 Infoport: dropbear? Aug 07 13:41:11 Infoport: if yes, then switch to openssh :P Aug 07 13:41:19 we want to do it in near future by default Aug 07 13:41:34 yes it is, although I updated it (through opkg) for a recent bug Aug 07 13:42:07 dos1 that is what I have read. can I make that change through opkg, or do I need to do it more manually? Aug 07 13:42:45 it is VERY disturbing to find that it only needs a part of the password Aug 07 13:43:02 yup, there is package in shr repo Aug 07 13:44:00 no page on the Wiki on dropbear, or I would be listing it now. I guess I should file a real bugtrac ticket Aug 07 13:44:14 or search for an existing one. hmm... Aug 07 13:44:52 dos1 if I install the new package, and uninstall dropbear, will openssh take over automatically? Aug 07 13:45:40 Infoport: on ml was described how to install openssh correctly, search for it Aug 07 13:45:49 but it's quite simple Aug 07 13:46:12 ok, I'll search the mailing list Aug 07 13:59:52 *sigh* does anybody know how to properly replace dropbear with openssh? I searched the mailing lists with "openssh" and "dropbear", and found other issues, but not the PROPER method dos1 mentioned Aug 07 14:00:35 dos1 do you of any other terms that were in those ML messages? or what year/month? Aug 07 14:01:15 Infoport: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_User_Manual#System_Customizing Aug 07 14:02:13 Infoport: i don't know how _proper_ this is, just did it and am logged in again Aug 07 14:04:48 I don't see anything on that wiki page specific to SSH (I had that page up already too) Aug 07 14:05:05 then reload :) Aug 07 14:05:07 vanous123 did you UNINSTALL dropbear also? Aug 07 14:05:47 yes Aug 07 14:06:26 you have to be kidding me! it is there now. I never know when to look at pages again. sometimes I read the page changes, and other times I discover that all the instructions changed while I was away Aug 07 14:06:48 that must have been a change this morning! Aug 07 14:07:46 Infoport: changed it now as we speak Aug 07 14:07:56 thanks vanous123! Aug 07 14:09:26 oh, that makes it a little different, if you changed it because I was asking. I was just amazed that my answer had shown up in the last few hours and I hadn't reloaded Aug 07 14:09:44 but thanks for adding it-- I am installing now Aug 07 14:12:40 vanous123 I need a reboot too? I haven't been able to connect yet. Aug 07 14:13:22 oops, took longer to generate key than I thought. Now I can throw away the dropbear key I was trying to sync across distros Aug 07 14:18:32 hmm I lost scp on the OM side. Is there a package for that, or is there another way that I should transfer files over network/USB? Aug 07 14:19:51 wait, I see I installed sftp, guess I could use that. Does scp not exist in openssh? Aug 07 14:20:09 or at least, in OM packages? Aug 07 14:23:52 ok well I'll just learn to type sftp (NOT going to make a link just to save remembering). sftp worked fine Aug 07 14:25:30 might be a good note to add into the SHR User Manual (that now must use sftp instead of scp) the rest works the same Aug 07 14:28:42 Infoport: what about this: openssh-scp ? Aug 07 14:30:12 vanous123 you're right, it is there! any idea what the difference between sftp and scp? Aug 07 14:30:32 actually no idea Aug 07 14:31:33 i added openssh-scp to the manual install line Aug 07 14:32:35 vanous123 and I've added it to my phone-- might as well be able to use either (as scp from host did not connect with sftp on OM, before install of openssh-scp) Aug 07 14:34:19 Infoport: huh, 53 emails about dropbear/openssh in shr-user... somewhere there might be the _proper_ info :) Aug 07 14:36:54 OH! I was searching the OM mailing lists, through Markmail or something (but only the many OM lists) Aug 07 14:38:52 Infoport: i don't see that email, but whatever, you have the procedure already anyways :) Aug 07 14:41:22 I *did* find emails in OM lists about dropbear or openssh, but then they were questions about it dropping connection, or remotely seeing screen, etc, and not about proper procedure to do it without getting shutout Aug 07 14:41:56 but the proper procedure, IN THE WIKI yea!, was even better Aug 07 14:42:00 I would setup openssh on port 99 or something Aug 07 14:42:26 SpeedEvil for security through obscurity? Aug 07 14:44:04 or from script kiddies' random searching for Wifi holes in nearby devices? Aug 07 14:45:07 God, who knows how many times I will end up reflashing anyway. I *did* setup a password as soon as I flashed Aug 07 14:51:33 maybe I should have turned swapon again. hopefully Navit isnt too big Aug 07 14:51:44 aahh good, configuring! Aug 07 14:59:53 Infoport: To ensure not screwing it up and breaking dropbrear before openssh is installed Aug 07 15:08:21 quick question is there any easy way to get RHA to output in stereo through the headphones jack? I can't figure that out. Aug 07 15:08:34 drascus321: RHA? Aug 07 15:09:09 sorry SHR Aug 07 15:09:11 lol Aug 07 15:09:17 what was I thinking Aug 07 15:09:38 drascus321: easy way? yes, just plug the headphones in. Aug 07 15:09:47 but I only get mono Aug 07 15:10:05 it only comes out of the right speaker Aug 07 15:10:15 drascus321: do you plug the headset all the way in? Aug 07 15:10:41 i think so but I could be wrong it is not the standard headphone jack for my region Aug 07 15:10:52 drascus321: what pin assignments do you expect from the headphone jack? Aug 07 15:11:14 now my /media/card and mmcblk0p2 seem to empty, but df shows them as using space Aug 07 15:11:52 well I am using a 3 pole with an adapter Aug 07 15:12:13 drascus321: please reread my question Aug 07 15:12:28 I have but i a not exactly sure what you mean Aug 07 15:12:33 maybe a reboot is in order (even though it's not Windoze ;-) ) Aug 07 15:13:26 drascus321: what makes you think that FR's headphone jack is compatible with your setup? Aug 07 15:13:41 i don't know Aug 07 15:13:55 maybe just dreaming? Aug 07 15:14:16 I will just buy the recommended headphones then Aug 07 15:14:18 drascus321: not quite solid grounds i'd say Aug 07 15:14:45 drascus321: i recommend you to buy a 4-ring 2.5mm plug that you can solder the way you need. Aug 07 15:15:24 I think I will just buy the recommended headphones I am not much good at soldering Aug 07 15:15:36 but thanks for the info Aug 07 15:15:40 ttyl all Aug 07 15:18:31 WTF he left? Aug 07 15:18:33 FUCK! Aug 07 15:18:42 No recommended headset gives good sound anyway. Aug 07 15:18:43 bad news for SSH on SHR-- even now with openssh, all I have to do it get the first 8 chars correct Aug 07 15:19:05 And no headset on earth can give good sound without bass fix too. So soldering is needed anyway. Aug 07 15:21:23 and now I cant see 2nd partition on uSD Aug 07 15:22:21 maybe it needs reseating. :? Aug 07 15:30:54 well the partitions, & data, are on the uSD after all, so just got to make SHR see them again Aug 07 15:38:37 partitions reappeared! but I'm still bothered by SSH on SHR only needing 8 char of my password! Aug 07 15:39:27 Infoport: thats because password hash is saved with crypt Aug 07 15:40:12 so the problem is really spread throughout the system, anywhere it uses root password? Aug 07 15:41:34 yes Aug 07 15:44:01 TangoGPS also crashes with error everytime I try to set the Maps directory to the one saved on uSD Aug 07 15:44:31 was able to uSD for Maps on prev distros, so new problem Aug 07 15:45:04 Heinervdm: is that a SHR problem, or a FSO problem too? Aug 07 15:45:20 Heinervdm: the password crypt issue that is Aug 07 15:46:43 Infoport: I'm not sure about it. But it should be possible to change this Aug 07 15:56:12 Infoport: switching from busybox to core-utils might help, busybox doesn't even use shadow Aug 07 15:58:45 How busybox related to shadow? Aug 07 15:58:47 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r913575a88aeb 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: remove duplicated function Aug 07 16:02:18 gena2x: busybox provides passwd, so i think the passwd file should be also part of busybox? Aug 07 16:08:15 gena2x, Infoport: can't find where /etc/passwd comes from, it's in no .ipk Aug 07 16:08:21 Heinervdm: Oh, yes. Related. Rechecked ordinary bb. Aug 07 16:08:44 Heinervdm: It can manage shadow itself, or throught libc functions Aug 07 16:09:22 gena2x: ok, but it doesn't use it if you set a password with passwd Aug 07 16:09:29 Heinervdm: Of course, passwd is system-dependent, and not installed with bb, as it contains system accounts and passwords and enpty by default Aug 07 16:10:06 Heinervdm: all is imho, Aug 07 16:10:24 Heinervdm: I mean 'i think is not designed to be installed' :) Aug 07 16:10:30 Infoport: (tango segfault) hehe, found same problem an hour ago, while a friend of mine reported it to me some weeks ago. I gave a sh*t and created a symlink ;-) What bothers me more is tango always giving me white areas (faulty map tiles) on life-dl via gprs. Some can be cured by deleting tilefiles of size 0, but not all though. Aug 07 16:12:21 Heinervdm: oh, bb seem can be configured to do all job with passwd or shadow or shadow throught libc... Aug 07 16:12:50 gena2x: and whats with the password encrytion? Aug 07 16:13:42 Heinervdm: Whats wrong with it? Aug 07 16:14:07 Infoport: strange enough this is a PITA (wrt freq it occurs) in zoom 3..16, but rarely ever happens on zoom17 Aug 07 16:14:27 gena2x: don't know what it's using, but it supports only 8 character passwords Aug 07 16:15:04 Strange. Passwd and shadow are md5. Aug 07 16:15:48 gena2x: it's not using a salt, so it's DES isn't it? Aug 07 16:16:09 Heinervdm: really, 8 symbols :) Aug 07 16:17:38 I'm away now ( swimming ;) ) Aug 07 16:19:26 openmoko: 03werner * r5401 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (8 files): (log message trimmed) Aug 07 16:19:26 openmoko: - zoom out now doesn't stop before there is a significant border around the Aug 07 16:19:26 openmoko: drawing Aug 07 16:19:26 openmoko: - zoom to frame was broken because it didn't track the recent change in Aug 07 16:19:27 openmoko: location of active flag Aug 07 16:19:29 openmoko: - we can now pan and zoom while dragging Aug 07 16:19:31 openmoko: - gui_canvas.c:button_release_event didn't consider the button, making Aug 07 16:19:56 just out of curiosity, which distros are being most developed now? Aug 07 16:20:50 How to regulate sound volume for call? Aug 07 16:21:04 gena2x: alsamixer Aug 07 16:21:06 I mean change Aug 07 16:21:07 alsactl -f Aug 07 16:21:36 -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/something.state Aug 07 16:21:48 that was for you, gena2x Aug 07 16:21:57 Thanks, path is exactly that i need. Aug 07 16:21:59 only one '-f' though Aug 07 16:22:10 which distro, gena2x? Aug 07 16:22:26 Shr. I am using this as a phone Aug 07 16:22:43 With my epic buzz-fix Aug 07 16:22:57 something funny about calls in shr. they don't use gsmhandset.state volume for the speaker Aug 07 16:23:22 what I did was crank up the speaker volume up in gsmhandset.state (using alsamixer) Aug 07 16:23:35 then saved it using alsactl -f store Aug 07 16:23:48 I am planning to use vi :) Aug 07 16:24:01 that works too Aug 07 16:24:06 ;) Aug 07 16:24:13 I hope Aug 07 16:24:27 why take the risk? alsamixer is easy enough to use Aug 07 16:25:03 Do you know which control? Aug 07 16:25:21 hmmmm, lemme see Aug 07 16:25:22 one sec Aug 07 16:25:25 badcloud_: alsamixer does not show the numbers of the controls Aug 07 16:25:30 badcloud_: and alsamixer is slow Aug 07 16:25:43 Slow? :) Aug 07 16:25:56 gena2x: yes, it takes at least a minute to scroll from left to right Aug 07 16:26:06 and 100% cpu usage during that Aug 07 16:26:28 gena2x, the third from the last, 'speaker', I think Aug 07 16:26:37 lindi, true Aug 07 16:26:44 ty Aug 07 16:26:56 but if he's gonna use it to tweak a state file and then save it, it should be no trouble Aug 07 16:26:56 i don't beleave 100% Aug 07 16:27:16 root@om-gta02 ~ $ time alsamixer Aug 07 16:27:17 alsamixer: aborting due to signal `Interrupt' Aug 07 16:27:17 Command exited with non-zero status 3 Aug 07 16:27:17 real 0m 4.15s Aug 07 16:27:17 user 0m 0.79s Aug 07 16:27:17 sys 0m 0.43s Aug 07 16:27:31 scroll from left to right. Aug 07 16:27:42 badcloud_: WTF? Aug 07 16:27:50 Is cpu were 100%, real=user+sys Aug 07 16:27:54 badcloud_: SHR uses state files Aug 07 16:28:00 dos1, I beg your pardon? Aug 07 16:28:10 ah Aug 07 16:28:16 dos1, I did some experimenting Aug 07 16:28:24 gena2x: what size was your terminal? Aug 07 16:28:28 badcloud_: /usr/share/shr/scenarii/gsmhandset.state :P Aug 07 16:28:34 :)) Lol Aug 07 16:28:41 jacked the 'speaker' volume waayyyyy up in the gsmhandset.state Aug 07 16:28:45 and that's correct path on SHR, gena2x Aug 07 16:28:50 True terminal, 80x24 :) Aug 07 16:28:57 gena2x: i have larger resolution Aug 07 16:29:17 but when I got an incoming call, the speaker volume went down (alsamixer) Aug 07 16:29:32 how do you explain that, dos1? Aug 07 16:29:35 I have much larger resolution too, most probably rarger than your, but terminal should be 80x24 :) Aug 07 16:29:53 badcloud_: maybe you did it in /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/, which isn't used and even shouldn't exist on SHR? Aug 07 16:30:00 ahhhhhhhhh Aug 07 16:30:03 badcloud_: /usr/share/shr/scenarii/ is the correct dir Aug 07 16:30:09 thanks, dos1 Aug 07 16:30:10 In fact, on a resolution of 2560x1600, I have no choise :) Aug 07 16:31:24 I don't have /usr/share/shr/ on my filesystem Aug 07 16:31:34 I'm using testing April Aug 07 16:31:43 badcloud_: testing is death ;P Aug 07 16:31:50 works fine Aug 07 16:31:53 thanks for path, i have it :) Aug 07 16:32:08 if not a bit slow when punching the accept incoming call Aug 07 16:32:32 badcloud_: well, there were *lots of* fixes and improvements after last testing Aug 07 16:32:35 I'm been experiencing some heavy glitches with unstable Aug 07 16:32:44 problems with apm Aug 07 16:32:47 From april, sure. Aug 07 16:33:00 UNSTABLE, people Aug 07 16:33:01 * dos1 hopes new SHR-testing will be released in few days Aug 07 16:33:22 dos1: better to imporove unstable Aug 07 16:33:23 badcloud_: shr-unstable is most of time a lot more stable than testing ;P Aug 07 16:33:31 not in my case Aug 07 16:33:36 gena2x: new shr-testing will be equal to actual unstable :P Aug 07 16:33:43 dos1: It is very usable most time. Aug 07 16:33:44 can't reconnect wifi or bluetooth Aug 07 16:34:17 dos1: But this will not for long time Aug 07 16:34:27 I've had no complaints using openmoko-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20090416-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 Aug 07 16:34:48 badcloud_: necrophylia? :P Aug 07 16:35:10 gena2x: we want to start supporting and updating -testing constantly after new -testing release Aug 07 16:35:15 Best way not to complain is just to put FR away, in dark corner :) Aug 07 16:35:26 dos1, please Aug 07 16:35:37 dos1: Don't waste time, please. Aug 07 16:35:50 dos1: Develop more in unstable Aug 07 16:36:10 gena2x: it's not wasting time - we need good -testing branch to being able to break unstable more often ;P Aug 07 16:36:26 that's why I don't use unstable Aug 07 16:36:29 gena2x: now we don't have good -testing, so most of people is using -unstable, so breaking it is a bit painful Aug 07 16:36:33 it's broken most of the time Aug 07 16:36:44 badcloud_: i have opposite feeling Aug 07 16:36:55 badcloud_: i *would like* to broke it, but i can't due to lack of -testing ;( Aug 07 16:36:58 well, as I said, I only use April Aug 07 16:37:08 back (I should set away). I did get Maps to be on uSD partition after some effort Aug 07 16:37:37 after I've installed the 64 bit version/set up env variables of the toolchain and I try to opkg-target update, it says I don't have libcurl.so.4 Aug 07 16:37:39 dos1: I'm almost defeated. You can break it, people just can flash image from the past. Aug 07 16:37:49 dos1: No problem, I guess. Aug 07 16:37:55 gena2x: what about repositories? Aug 07 16:38:13 I set the TangoGPS config through command line, gconf, using instructionson wiki Aug 07 16:38:16 which image do you use, gena2x? Aug 07 16:38:21 gena2x: upgrading? i'm not flashing at all, i'm always upgrading Aug 07 16:38:43 I tried upgrading in shr once. settings didn't work Aug 07 16:38:44 dos1: Flash is much faster than upgrading Aug 07 16:39:04 I still dont know what to think of the passwords only checking 8 char Aug 07 16:39:05 dos1: And you will not get any fork errors. Aug 07 16:39:07 gena2x: not for me, upgrading is much faster than flash+setting everything up with my way ;P Aug 07 16:39:11 gena2x: it's already fixed Aug 07 16:39:26 dos1: Nice news for me :) Aug 07 16:39:40 gena2x: opkg update; opkg install opkg libopkg0 Aug 07 16:39:56 gena2x you can create a swap file and not get fork error Aug 07 16:40:06 gena2x: before that free lot of RAM and add swap, to not break libopkg0 broken ;) Aug 07 16:40:10 s/break/get/ Aug 07 16:40:10 dos1 meant: gena2x: before that free lot of RAM and add swap, to not get libopkg0 broken ;) Aug 07 16:40:17 badcloud_: I can't recall. Recent repository. Aug 07 16:40:27 and after that you should be able to upgrade safely Aug 07 16:40:33 or maybe what dos1 says, everything changes faster than I can ask about it :-D Aug 07 16:40:45 Infoport: Swap file on sd card? I don't like this idea. Aug 07 16:41:22 gena2x just a temp fix, and that is the best place for swap-- if you wear it out, you didnt hurt flash Aug 07 16:41:28 gena2x: a) only when upgrading; b) sd cards have hardware wearing, so it should be save Aug 07 16:41:47 s/wearing/wearing protection/ Aug 07 16:41:48 dos1 meant: gena2x: a) only when upgrading; b) sd cards have hardware wearing protection, so it should be save Aug 07 16:41:58 dos1: Memory consumption decreased? I guess that was some kind of out-of-memory? Aug 07 16:42:10 apt: :) Aug 07 16:42:11 (: Aug 07 16:42:33 gena2x: yes, but it's fixed in new opkg Aug 07 16:42:41 (which is still crap, but at last it works now ;P) Aug 07 16:42:59 dos1: I mean, it now consumes less memory? Aug 07 16:43:33 Infoport: Anyway access to sd on FR seem too sloow and cpu consuming, I wish to avoid as much as i can Aug 07 16:44:11 dos1: or just stop forking :)? Aug 07 16:45:08 is there a way to get libcurl installed onto the OM toolchain on my 64bit machine? opkg-target is complaining that it doesn't exist and won't do anything Aug 07 16:45:48 ack nevermind I fixed it Aug 07 16:46:19 gena2x yeah, but the swap on uSD prevented the fork error, which was causing me to have to reflash each time Aug 07 16:46:20 If freerunner had 256Mb of ram... We can store whole distribution in memory.. Aug 07 16:46:56 I guess updates have already updated opkg for me-- it says it is already up-to-date Aug 07 16:47:45 gena2x: less memory Aug 07 16:48:33 year passer since release of gta02. May be memory modules become smaller and in gta02-core... Aug 07 16:48:35 gena2x there are SEVERAL things not right-- faster accessneed more memory, a way to hot-swap a uSD card (maybe 2nd), Aug 07 16:49:16 faster access, and a camera or other good way to scan info (or way to plug modules) Aug 07 16:49:28 Infoport: usb ;P Aug 07 16:49:51 dos1: Less memory consumption is always nice! Aug 07 16:50:02 (for fr) Aug 07 16:50:03 * SpeedEvil needs to write up his 'why modules are a bad idea in a phone' rant. Aug 07 16:50:28 i would only like to see freerunner + good graphics accelerator + EDGE + USB 2.0 + eventually cheap camera Aug 07 16:50:41 i don't need more Aug 07 16:50:58 FR - current graphics accel would almost work. Aug 07 16:51:09 dos1 I guess usb, although getting usb as host takes its own hurdles. Has someone gotten a cam working in practice? Aug 07 16:51:10 dos1: Most annoying thing is sd access speed. Aug 07 16:51:10 SpeedEvil: yep, on 320x340... Aug 07 16:51:12 with the wifi on USB not SD Aug 07 16:51:25 SPI Aug 07 16:51:47 s/340/240/ Aug 07 16:51:47 dos1 meant: SpeedEvil: yep, on 320x240... Aug 07 16:51:51 is anyone working on the glamo driver? Aug 07 16:51:51 gena2x: here it's ok ;x Aug 07 16:52:09 tedo: a) yes b) why are you asking? it won't make it faster Aug 07 16:52:22 dos1: that do you mean? Aug 07 16:52:43 gena2x: i have quite good sd access speed Aug 07 16:52:58 dos1: gta01? Aug 07 16:53:05 gena2x: no, freerunner Aug 07 16:53:16 dos1: How fast? Aug 07 16:53:24 dos1: i'm just interested. Aug 07 16:53:25 dos1: I have 1Mb/s. Aug 07 16:53:43 Infoport: i was using umts modem, keyboard, pendrives, mp3 players and few other things connected to FR :P Aug 07 16:53:47 dos1: So I have no need in usb2 :) Aug 07 16:54:14 dos1: nowhere to store that amount of data. Aug 07 16:55:15 dos1: in fact, near 1,48Mb/s. is it ok from your point of view? Aug 07 16:55:19 dos1 what sort of keyboard? I have been trying to get the Duraflex with mini-USB from Oxford Archaeology, but they keep doing other work instead Aug 07 16:56:37 Infoport: just pc usb keyboard ;) Aug 07 16:57:00 dos1 "just works" or did you have to config yourself? Aug 07 16:57:20 Infoport: i would say plug-and-play :D Aug 07 16:57:40 dos1: Btw, is the division is the reason that last shr image is from 02 of august? I wanted to reflash today to see that's new. Aug 07 16:58:24 dos1 I guess I havent tried my Microsloth Natural in it *recently* at all (I tried to scrape off the Windoze symbol; Natural just feels better) Aug 07 16:59:04 gena2x: cause image generation was broken Aug 07 16:59:14 gena2x: new image should be in few days Aug 07 16:59:31 dos1: nice, thanks. Aug 07 17:00:11 gena2x the division? Aug 07 17:00:34 ok, /me returns to developing Aug 07 17:00:51 my image was jul-28, but with updates I believe I have newer kernel etc Aug 07 17:01:16 Infoport: of workforce to testing and unstable :) Aug 07 17:01:47 oh yeah, testing has been ancient for a while Aug 07 17:03:49 actually my older "saumb" Natural kb was ok, but I looked funny with it in my lap-- Duraflex mini would be nicer Aug 07 17:04:23 or maybe the Freedom mini, but the BT makes it have problems with some distros (and I cant afford one currently) Aug 07 17:04:50 $50 from mfgr, but economy is tough Aug 07 17:05:19 older "dumb" Natural kb that is Aug 07 17:06:01 I want a kb I can carry in my jacket Aug 07 17:07:08 though I guess if more apps did well through simple GUI, *maybe* I wouldn't NEED a kb so much in my pocket Aug 07 17:07:22 not likely though :-D Aug 07 17:08:08 damn I could be downloading maps for Tango *forever* Aug 07 17:08:24 on-screen kbd is nice enough, imho Aug 07 17:09:20 gena2x: i'm even programming with illume keyboard without stylus ;) Aug 07 17:09:30 I do like the terminal kb-- hated switching letters, caps, numbers, etc, and predictive only helps if you DON'T type commands Aug 07 17:09:46 most of shr-settings, opimd and opimd-utils code was created with illume terminal keyboard without stylus ;) Aug 07 17:10:29 dos1 WOW, I worry when I type to fast that the letter doesnt disappear in time (and not THAT fast) Aug 07 17:10:38 dos1: don't be distracted from development :) Aug 07 17:10:40 s/to fast/too fast/ Aug 07 17:10:42 Infoport meant: dos1 WOW, I worry when I type too fast that the letter doesnt disappear in time (and not THAT fast) Aug 07 17:11:44 ignore dos1, he's insane (at least when it comes to kbd usage paterns) ;-P Aug 07 17:11:45 dos1: Hm... Did ou made it faster? Aug 07 17:13:32 in fact I was never 'smart enough' to use the predictive even for simple english text. I don't get it how to scroll thru list of suggestions .-( Aug 07 17:14:07 I never used predictive at all. Always using terminal. Aug 07 17:14:19 DocScrutinizer: click on button on left Aug 07 17:14:50 i'm using terminal most of time, and predictive with polish disctionary when walking or when i have only one hand free Aug 07 17:15:26 I'm almost done with my T9 multitap for texts and the like, if anyone's interested Aug 07 17:15:37 We need to add bash completion to predictive :) Aug 07 17:15:43 VERY GLAD that terminal kb is being std part of SHR (and others hopefully too) Aug 07 17:15:46 dos1: duh, THAT's the way... Nevertheless I dn't like it Aug 07 17:16:07 Om, i can recall om... Aug 07 17:16:35 yes, a tab in place for bash completion would help for most of those kbs, that way command are already handled Aug 07 17:17:11 even if you dont have full terminal, bash completion would be great Aug 07 17:17:34 but I use full terminal w/o predict whenever possible Aug 07 17:17:48 so U got TAB, no? Aug 07 17:18:21 Now my shr kbd lack of arrow up, arrow left/right :( Aug 07 17:18:40 I got tab in current kb, in SHR, but I remember 2008.? having a kb that was querty but no arrows, tab etc Aug 07 17:18:59 Btw, is it possible to display it in upper part of the screen? Aug 07 17:19:00 yoh Aug 07 17:19:23 gena2x really? mine was std with that, once I tapped the Aa font thing on right and switched to terminal Aug 07 17:20:02 Infoport: This happened after self-made buzz fix. Aug 07 17:21:14 gena2x weird-- did it disappear from screen, or just doesnt work? Aug 07 17:21:45 gena2x self-done hardware buzz-fix, "big-C_ rework? Aug 07 17:21:53 gena2x: I wrote to community list about issue... Aug 07 17:21:56 DocScrutinizer: have you seen my messages on -cdevel? Aug 07 17:22:01 s/big-C_/big-C"/ Aug 07 17:22:01 Infoport meant: gena2x self-done hardware buzz-fix, "big-C" rework? Aug 07 17:22:21 PaulFertser: ummm nope... Aug 07 17:22:27 timestamp? Aug 07 17:22:39 gena2x: it should be easy to move Aug 07 17:22:44 Infoport: big-C? Yes, I added C. It was quite big... Aug 07 17:22:48 gena2x: keyboard definitions are text files Aug 07 17:22:51 DocScrutinizer: 16:00 GMT+1 Aug 07 17:22:58 k, mompl Aug 07 17:23:07 dos1: Which one? Aug 07 17:23:17 gena2x: terminal ;p Aug 07 17:23:39 dos1: I mean which file that definitions are located? Aug 07 17:24:01 somewhere in /usr/share/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards... Aug 07 17:24:04 or shomething like that Aug 07 17:24:08 or s/share/lib/ Aug 07 17:25:07 wow, I wonder how many hours I am going to be downloading maps to uSD? Aug 07 17:26:02 Infoport: remove sd, insert to your man comuter, download maps and reinstall... Aug 07 17:27:11 gena2x I keep hoping it will get done, but also I just downloaded by scrolling around in Tango, and choosing download 6x levels, didn't pick very manually Aug 07 17:27:50 I'm thinking it is time for a cigar, gotta go to cigar store and sit in easy chair (wish wifi worked better for me) Aug 07 17:28:15 Infoport: May be you can install tango to big computer, download many-many-many maps and move them to sd Aug 07 17:28:49 Infoport: And don't thinks about maps anymore Aug 07 17:29:13 dos1: nice kbd definitions. May be I can create russian keybord! Aug 07 17:29:30 gena2x that is prob a good strategy. Maybe for later. Navit wants you to download in advance too Aug 07 17:32:12 dos1: /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/e-module-illume.edj ? this file? Should it be decompiled? Aug 07 17:34:07 can also use wget to download ;) I think osm provides some zipfiles with world-wide maps for some reasonable high level maps. Aug 07 17:34:52 Yes i'we saw something like this. Seems you can even choose area to download. Aug 07 17:34:59 gena2x: why for? Aug 07 17:35:14 dos1: to change keyboard location Aug 07 17:35:27 even better. I could use a nice level for my country :) Aug 07 17:35:52 gena2x: hmm... you could Aug 07 17:36:04 edje_decc ;) Aug 07 17:37:17 any secret to Wifi in new SHR? best tools to install? Aug 07 17:37:36 Infoport: yes Aug 07 17:37:45 Infoport: FSO_Resources wiki page Aug 07 17:38:12 dos1: hmm... Seem i should try other file Aug 07 17:40:17 dos1: Stop. Do you mean that it is reading whole this text file from 'hdd' every time it loads keybord???? Aug 07 17:40:29 dos1: Parsing and so on? Aug 07 17:41:03 dos1: Oh, no. ok... Aug 07 17:41:16 gena2x: no, only when loading enlightenment Aug 07 17:41:40 gena2x: and no parsing, as it uses compiled file Aug 07 17:41:48 hi Aug 07 17:42:01 dos1: I mean .kbd files :) Aug 07 17:42:10 gena2x: oh Aug 07 17:42:26 gena2x: i think also only when loading ;) Aug 07 17:42:35 dos1: Only on changing terminal type - it's ok. Aug 07 17:43:19 is there people running debian in there ? does usb networking work ? Aug 07 17:43:49 zecrazyt1x: Last time I run it in QtMoko it was working. Aug 07 17:44:35 no interface shows up after loading usbnet/cdc_ether, on my debian box (with both 2.6.26 and 2.6.30 from debian lenny/sid). It works on my opensuse test livecd Aug 07 17:45:09 zecrazyt1x: Oh, you mean debian on big machine? Aug 07 17:45:15 PaulFertser how do I get fsoraw? doesnt seem to be in normal SHR respository Aug 07 17:45:26 Infoport: it's already installed Aug 07 17:45:27 gena2x: yes Aug 07 17:45:33 zecrazyt1x: It is ok. Aug 07 17:46:13 zecrazyt1x: Usb is ok? Aug 07 17:46:26 zecrazyt1x: Other usb devices working? Aug 07 17:46:33 yes Aug 07 17:47:00 seems weird to me... Aug 07 17:47:01 zecrazyt1x: I have custom kernel, but it should work. Aug 07 17:47:03 PaulFerser I get -sh: fsoraw: not found Aug 07 17:47:53 zecrazyt1x: 2.6.28. cdc_ether usbnet mii Aug 07 17:48:22 zecrazyt1x: Do you get devce? Aug 07 17:48:35 gena2x: I have all these modules loaded as well Aug 07 17:48:41 devce ? Aug 07 17:48:43 dos1: how come? fsoraw should be installed by default on SHR, no? Aug 07 17:48:49 zecrazyt1x: Did you do ifconfig usb0 up 192.168.0.200? Aug 07 17:49:17 gena2x: no, because no interface shows up. there is no usb0 or whatever else Aug 07 17:49:26 eth2? Aug 07 17:49:30 neither :( Aug 07 17:49:44 nothing appears in dmesg |tail Aug 07 17:49:59 just like if there was nothing at all Aug 07 17:50:18 oops phone shut itself down (even though I was active in a SSH session) Aug 07 17:50:25 not the first boot of a new os is it?' Aug 07 17:50:35 usb 1-2.1.2: new full speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 14 Aug 07 17:50:35 usb 1-2.1.2: configuration #1 chosen from 2 choices Aug 07 17:50:35 eth0: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-0000:00:1d.7-2.1.2, CDC Ethernet Device, 00:1f:11:01:52:b8 Aug 07 17:50:35 udev: renamed network interface eth0 to usb0 Aug 07 17:50:40 I got this Aug 07 17:51:05 i guess if you have no 1 first lines, you usb not functional Aug 07 17:51:17 s/1/2/ Aug 07 17:51:18 gena2x meant: i guess if you have no 2 first lines, you usb not functional Aug 07 17:51:18 gena2x: not even "new full speed usb device" :( Aug 07 17:51:31 Slaxxer: what do you mean ? Aug 07 17:51:35 zecrazyt1x: check other usb devices Aug 07 17:51:53 gena2x: plugs ? Aug 07 17:52:06 zecrazyt1x: any one. Do they work? Flash cards, anything. Aug 07 17:52:13 yes Aug 07 17:52:27 zecrazyt1x: And that is in dmesg? Aug 07 17:52:31 I can plug a sd-to-usbkey converter Aug 07 17:52:35 it does work Aug 07 17:53:09 lsusb lists your device? Aug 07 17:53:13 gena2x: something like Aug 07 17:53:14 usb 2-5: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 3 Aug 07 17:53:19 well some om releases would not hook up upon first boot Aug 07 17:53:30 needed reboot Aug 07 17:53:35 gena2x: lsusb lists those yes Aug 07 17:53:37 older ones Aug 07 17:54:06 zecrazyt1x: and Bus 001 Device 014: ID 1457:5122 First International Computer, Inc. OpenMoko Neo1973 / Neo Freerunner kernel cdc_ether USB network Aug 07 17:54:08 Slaxxer: no that's hackable:1 on it and it does work (tested on another computer, and on the same but running opensuse livecd) Aug 07 17:54:33 zecrazyt1x: do you have this device in lsusb? Aug 07 17:55:15 gena2x: no Aug 07 17:55:53 zecrazyt1x: so, om is on, plugged and not listed in lsusb. Aug 07 17:57:39 Infoport: shr folks tell me just "opkg install fsoraw" is enough. Aug 07 17:58:24 zecrazyt1x: I have no ideas. It should work. Aug 07 17:58:48 gena2x: do you have 'usbcore' loaded ? Aug 07 17:58:50 PaulFerser it is download this time (last time phone shutoff for some reason, leave SSH dead) Aug 07 17:59:01 If lsusb is working Aug 07 17:59:21 And other device are listed... All should be ok. Aug 07 17:59:47 gena@work:~$ lsmod |grep -w usbcore Aug 07 17:59:47 gena@work:~$ Aug 07 17:59:49 no Aug 07 17:59:57 damn Aug 07 18:00:02 so weird Aug 07 18:00:28 morning Aug 07 18:00:47 Infoport: btw if you used nickname completion you'd be able to type my nick correctly and i wouldn't have difficulties seeing your messages (as they'd be hilighted that way). Aug 07 18:01:27 PaulFertser: dunno, but i'm sure fsoraw is in SHR repo Aug 07 18:01:41 dos1: thanks, TAsn already took care of that. Aug 07 18:01:46 (answering those questions) Aug 07 18:05:22 PaulFertser: good bit of advice! I stayed away from IRC in the early years, and don't have the familiarity of forums Aug 07 18:06:19 are there good tools for Wifi other than command-line use of fsoraw? Aug 07 18:06:32 for SHR wifi that is Aug 07 18:07:10 heh, WiFi is very hit and miss in my experience Aug 07 18:07:27 so are phone calls and GPS. big fail. Aug 07 18:07:39 * Chocky real tempted to get rid of FR at this point and get a G1 Aug 07 18:08:00 Chocky yeah get me one too Aug 07 18:08:08 sure, you pay for both Aug 07 18:08:51 Chocky: how is gps a failure? Aug 07 18:08:56 Chocky hehe how about you pay in advance, and I'll reimburse you with a 3rd party out of state check (or my winnings from Nigerian lottery) Aug 07 18:09:29 well my GPS quickly stopped getting signal unless external antenna, but then it is great! Aug 07 18:09:29 lindi: I had buzzfix done on mine. I'm sure that both GPS and calls are _worse_ Aug 07 18:09:43 all IME of course, but still Aug 07 18:10:07 Infoport: i know that there was some "wifi playground" -- a gui app that used connman. Aug 07 18:10:12 Chocky: Gsm can't be worse with bugfix Aug 07 18:10:19 and yet, it is Aug 07 18:11:19 maybe they damaged something, I dunno. but I have a clear view of the sky from my desk Aug 07 18:11:24 Chocky: GPS and calls are worse after the buzzfix? Oh, weird. Aug 07 18:11:45 Chocky: have you checked the connector of internal ant? Aug 07 18:11:46 for the calls, the person on the other end can barely hear you, if at all. no buzz though :p Aug 07 18:11:54 I haven't Aug 07 18:12:07 Chocky: you need to use a good statefile after the buzzfix obviously! Aug 07 18:12:13 of course Aug 07 18:12:44 Chocky: how can buzzfix affect gps? Aug 07 18:12:52 anyway, persisted with FR for a year. getting a bit tired of it. Aug 07 18:12:57 lindi: I already said. Aug 07 18:13:08 Chocky: they probably damaged something Aug 07 18:13:18 ok, gotta get off my butt for a while before I permanently break it Aug 07 18:13:19 ah, there's an echo in here. Aug 07 18:13:23 Chocky: quite easy to do Aug 07 18:13:42 where's CapnObvious when I need him? Aug 07 18:13:48 ok, gotta get off my butt for a while before I permanently break it) Aug 07 18:14:33 oops, later! thanks for the help! (I'll be back soon enough I'm sure...) Aug 07 18:15:32 Having said that, WiFi _does_ work consistenly well, but only with lastest Android. hit and miss with others. Aug 07 18:17:12 Chocky: are you serious? Aug 07 18:17:20 Chocky: android uses almost the same kernel. Aug 07 18:17:26 * Chocky is serious Aug 07 18:17:37 Chocky: the same kernel, what's the difference? Aug 07 18:17:55 well, I could think of a dozen things, but I think some of them should be obvious. Aug 07 18:18:18 * Chocky tired of being told "no it's not" by you lot with no explanation Aug 07 18:18:20 Chocky: like? Aug 07 18:18:23 PaulFertser: my guess: different userland that does not trigger the ifupdown bug Aug 07 18:18:32 * Chocky sighs Aug 07 18:18:34 Chocky: andy-tracking + wifi patch seems to work Aug 07 18:18:37 Chocky: just ask for my explanations, i'll be happy to share. Aug 07 18:18:41 Chocky: plain andy-tracking has this bug Aug 07 18:18:54 lindi-: right, but I didn't know about that bug until just now. Aug 07 18:19:04 lindi-: wpa_supplicant doesn't trigger that bug as well. Aug 07 18:19:15 Chocky: iki.fi/lindi/cgi-bin/openmoko-bugs.py and search for wifi Aug 07 18:19:22 no thanks :p Aug 07 18:19:39 this is all very well, but you have to hang around here to find out shit. Aug 07 18:19:48 that's no anyone's fault, but it's still tedious sometimes Aug 07 18:20:35 Chocky: mailing lists and bug tracker work too Aug 07 18:20:51 certainly they "work", but can also be tedious as hell Aug 07 18:21:08 ML is full of pointless posts, you have read too much stuff to stay ahead Aug 07 18:21:16 wiki is best, but that's not saying much. Aug 07 18:21:18 Chocky: yep you need to filter things Aug 07 18:21:34 I meant, I wouldn't mind, but it's just too much to keep on top of with so many distros. Aug 07 18:21:39 s/meant/mean/ Aug 07 18:21:40 Chocky meant: I mean, I wouldn't mind, but it's just too much to keep on top of with so many distros. Aug 07 18:22:50 if anyone, you could blame OM for lack of direction, but that's an old, fruitless discussion. Aug 07 18:26:25 ffs. Aug 07 18:26:34 learn how to use wiki links properly, dumbasses. Aug 07 18:27:03 and how to use your freakin' spell checker in your browser Aug 07 18:27:40 Chocky: i find it hard to edit the wiki Aug 07 18:27:55 Chocky: i used mvs but now it stopped working and i have no time to debug why Aug 07 18:28:04 true, wiki syntax is tricky sometimes, but some of the basis people get consistently wrong. Aug 07 18:28:11 s/basis/basics/ Aug 07 18:28:13 Chocky meant: true, wiki syntax is tricky sometimes, but some of the basics people get consistently wrong. Aug 07 18:28:17 lindi-: there is another emacs mediawiki mode that does it over http Aug 07 18:28:27 Chocky: it's not the syntax but the fact that i want to do it offline and without web browser Aug 07 18:28:30 johnsu01: oh! Aug 07 18:28:39 hm Aug 07 18:28:44 johnsu01: how do I find it? Aug 07 18:29:18 johnsu01: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mediawiki.el ? Aug 07 18:29:28 lindi-: not that one I don't think, let me see... Aug 07 18:29:57 johnsu01: i just used mvs to checkout and and mediawiki mode to edit previously Aug 07 18:31:40 dos1: ok. so how to change location of kdb. I've found no appropriate places in fs. Where to get sources? How to comiple them? Aug 07 18:32:00 OT, but does anyone know if the Android HTC phones are locked to their SIMs? Aug 07 18:32:06 anyway, apart from anything else, G1 has real keyboard, and you can run SHR, etc on it Aug 07 18:32:41 Digital-Pioneer: doesn't matter, you don't want to use AT&T ;-) Aug 07 18:32:54 T-Mobile has the only reasonable PAYG plan in the US Aug 07 18:33:47 lindi-: The one I was thinking of is wiki.el, at http://users.pepperfish.net/vivek/wiki-2009-04-24_16-33-57.tar.gz Aug 07 18:33:59 Chocky: I wanted T-M but they don't have service where I life. :( Aug 07 18:34:08 lose. Aug 07 18:34:44 johnsu01: ok, no package yet? Aug 07 18:36:19 johnsu01: or hmm, documentation? Aug 07 18:40:32 lindi-: yeah, not as far along as I remembered I guess. I did use it successfully for a bit though. Aug 07 18:40:33 johnsu01: i just did (load "/path/to/wiki.el") and then M-x wiki-edit RET RET and User:Lindi -- now emacs shows me some html and asks for Select coding system (default windows-1252): Aug 07 18:41:04 johnsu01: when I hit RET to that I get error in process filter: Wrong type argument: stringp, nil Aug 07 18:41:41 johnsu01: Contacting host: en.wikipedia.org:80 Loading url-cache...done Loading mail-utils...done Reading [text/html; charset=utf-8]... 13k of 13k (100%) Reading... done. Mark set [2 times] fixing up known xhtml errors in media wikis done with fixup Wrote /tmp/wiki-edit.debug.xml Loading xml... Loading subst-ksc...done Loading subst-gb2312...done Loading subst-big5...done Loading subst-jis...done Loading xml...done error in process filter: split Aug 07 18:43:17 lindi-: yeah, process is different -- one sec Aug 07 18:44:14 lindi-: was using mvs cool (when it worked)? Aug 07 18:44:28 mvs is cool, I also have some code started to integrate it with emacs VC-mode Aug 07 18:44:58 lindi-: looks like this hasn't been updated to current emacs yet -- but the idea is to load wiki-media.el, then do M-x wiki-media-login Aug 07 18:45:38 lindi-: enter like "openmoko" for the wiki name, then a base url of http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki Aug 07 18:47:28 PaulFertser: it was like cvs. lot better than nothing Aug 07 18:53:04 openmoko: 03werner * r5402 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (gui_status.c inst.c): Aug 07 18:53:04 openmoko: - moved more common editing code from field-type specific functions into Aug 07 18:53:04 openmoko: wrappers Aug 07 18:53:04 openmoko: - editable fields can now be traversed with Tab Aug 07 18:53:04 openmoko: - Enter commits all editable fields Aug 07 18:53:05 openmoko: - Esc resets all editable fields to their initial content Aug 07 18:56:39 johnsu01: I need to put all those files to load-path? it fails at trying to require wiki-form Aug 07 19:01:09 johnsu01: (setq load-path (cons "~/.elisp/wiki" load-path)) (load "wiki-media") => Symbol's function definition is void: wiki-define-mode Aug 07 19:07:39 on my other phone, that weather thingy fills the entire screen ;) http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/5cbf56379e54835560e387ebea21390c.png Aug 07 19:10:06 where to dump a background image for SHR, btw? /usr/share/something I suppose? Aug 07 19:12:22 mm /usr/share/shr-splash/theme{,s} it seems Aug 07 19:14:50 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * re96a20476874 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (pimd_calls.py pimd_contacts.py pimd_messages.py): opimd: fix posible division by zero when matching entries. Should fix delivery reports. Aug 07 19:16:29 or not, only bot splash there Aug 07 19:18:04 Kero: which background image? Aug 07 19:24:46 as e.g. on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR Aug 07 19:37:39 Kero: that's custom background image, it isn't shipped with SHR Aug 07 19:40:58 sure, how do I customize it (what kind of image file to dump where) Aug 07 19:41:32 cool, GPRS works out of the box. hadn't tried it. Aug 07 19:42:58 hell, even an incoming call is shown after using GPRS. Aug 07 19:42:59 openmoko: 03werner * r5403 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (9 files in 2 dirs): Aug 07 19:42:59 openmoko: - gui_tools.c:new_vec didn't initialize vec->samples, causing fped to crash Aug 07 19:42:59 openmoko: - we didn't dehover before deleting, which could cause a crash Aug 07 19:42:59 openmoko: - added delete tool to canvas. Thus ... Aug 07 19:42:59 openmoko: - we no longer need the Delete key on the canvas, so we can ... Aug 07 19:43:02 openmoko: - always focus the (first) entry field, and ... Aug 07 19:43:04 openmoko: - removed "focus" parameter to edit functions Aug 07 19:43:33 some things have improved a lot over time :D Aug 07 20:53:16 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * rcc1ea05aaae9 10framework/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Aug 07 20:53:16 freesmartphone.org: Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:framework into dos/opimd-tracking Aug 07 20:53:16 freesmartphone.org: Conflicts: Aug 07 20:53:16 freesmartphone.org: framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_contacts.py Aug 07 21:00:31 woo, panicking Aug 07 21:00:45 Hi Aug 07 21:03:45 panicking: hi. I'm sorry i haven't said anything about your bq27000 patche yet. I'll definetely have time tomorrow to understand all that stuff. Aug 07 21:04:11 Yes but you know the problem better then me Aug 07 21:04:16 I don't have time Aug 07 21:04:47 panicking: yes, and i have plenty in fact. Just using so inefficient it sometimes even depresses me. Aug 07 21:04:47 but I think that it can be possible to find better solution Aug 07 21:05:25 I'm writing glamo part Aug 07 21:05:27 on android Aug 07 21:05:34 and I have a lot of problem Aug 07 21:06:02 plus I can't import sms and contact Aug 07 21:06:02 using standard Aug 07 21:06:02 at command Aug 07 21:06:02 and I don't know why Aug 07 21:06:03 panicking: i asked one of the power subsystems maintainer about gta01_battery recently and he said that when an attribute is unavailble, it should be either not exported at all in the first place or return EINVAL/ENODEV. I'll study the power subsystem code tomorrow to know for sure. Aug 07 21:06:16 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r506df892e158 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_contacts.py: opimd: Contacts: get rid of SingleQueryHandler - use one from query_manager Aug 07 21:06:41 panicking: oh, glamo part is painful... Too bad you had to work on android instead of joining our cool X devs. Aug 07 21:06:51 * PaulFertser expresses sympathy Aug 07 21:07:40 :| Aug 07 21:07:57 panicking: if you want i can try to help you with at commands/smses/contacts right now. Aug 07 21:08:05 Do you know why the at+ AT+CRSM= Aug 07 21:08:07 ? Aug 07 21:08:14 does't work Aug 07 21:08:21 I take a look at the android code Aug 07 21:08:28 and seem that the command is ok Aug 07 21:08:48 and I think that each gsm can use it Aug 07 21:08:57 panicking: it's just some nonstandard command i guess. Aug 07 21:09:15 but capylpso just say ok Aug 07 21:09:15 but it doesn't send any data Aug 07 21:09:17 panicking: at least no mention of it in enfora enabler manual. Aug 07 21:09:59 really rooly! Aug 07 21:10:15 panicking: what is it supposed to be used for? Aug 07 21:10:51 It can read every thing. Contact, message etc. It's sim card memory io command Aug 07 21:11:25 oh god Aug 07 21:11:26 he's back Aug 07 21:11:39 rooly: but no Dave, so don't worry quite as much Aug 07 21:11:44 panicking: it doesn't seem like it's standard enough... Aug 07 21:12:07 hey, PaulFertser. i read your battery wiki page. you didn't make any mention of the BL-4C nokia battery Aug 07 21:12:26 rooly: yes, since i've never seen it myself. Can you tell me anything about it? Aug 07 21:12:31 I don't know about the GSM in OM, but in my considerable experience, there's a huge variation in supported AT commands over wireless modems Aug 07 21:12:39 its pretty much exactly like the 5C and the 6C Aug 07 21:12:44 its slightly thinner than the 5C Aug 07 21:12:56 mine over here doesn't have any power specs on it tho Aug 07 21:12:57 I don't know Aug 07 21:13:00 but i know it runs the FR Aug 07 21:13:05 installed modules for 2.6.24; SHR does virtually everything right now, except proper battery display. Too bad. as capacity is there... Aug 07 21:13:12 so it puts out the required 3.7v or whatever Aug 07 21:13:19 i think it might be 850 ma Aug 07 21:13:25 rooly: just what i suspected. Thanks for the info! Do you have any idea about what capacity was it initially? Aug 07 21:13:33 lemme go see Aug 07 21:13:41 Kero, concerning that: http://wiki.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Kernel%20Modules Aug 07 21:13:59 i'm gonna go with 850 ma Aug 07 21:14:06 seems about right Aug 07 21:14:16 capacity of what? Aug 07 21:14:23 rooly: but first BL-5C were 850mAh Aug 07 21:14:24 the nokia BL-4C battery Aug 07 21:14:30 ahh Aug 07 21:14:34 hmm, i have a 5c over here Aug 07 21:14:36 lemme compare Aug 07 21:15:16 rooly: http://www.nokia.co.uk/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/power/batteries/nokia-battery-bl-4c Aug 07 21:15:32 mmhmm Aug 07 21:15:32 rooly: but it's modern, improved version. I guess it could have been probably smaller initially. Aug 07 21:15:51 its roughly 85% as thick as a 5C Aug 07 21:16:13 but it's got the same standard form factor Aug 07 21:17:08 rooly: btw, probably when using 5c and 4c one should pad it with something to ensure sim still touches the pads. Aug 07 21:17:11 * rooly laughs out loud at the SHR Logo Contest entry in community updates Aug 07 21:17:18 PaulFertser, http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.html;hb=HEAD#RetrieveMessagebook Aug 07 21:17:42 rooly, link? Aug 07 21:17:50 in my experience, the 4c and 5chttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/2009-08-06 Aug 07 21:17:53 sorry Aug 07 21:18:08 in my experience the 4c and 5c both actually fit more reliably into the FR Aug 07 21:18:16 its not as heavy so the springs hold it in better Aug 07 21:18:27 especially when taking the back cover off Aug 07 21:18:33 rooly, thanks, checking. Aug 07 21:18:43 its near the bottom, TAsn Aug 07 21:19:01 PaulFertser, This maps to the GSM 07.07 command +CRSM=(command),(fileid),(p1),(p2),(p3),(data), see 3GPP TS 07.07 Chapter 8.18. Aug 07 21:19:22 rooly: ok, thanks, i will update the wikipage. Aug 07 21:19:26 np Aug 07 21:19:31 just was wondering about that Aug 07 21:20:19 panicking: Restricted Sim Access? hm... Aug 07 21:21:41 panicking: fso uses +CMGL for that Aug 07 21:21:51 rooly, there are no pics in that page, just a link to the shr contest. Aug 07 21:21:56 where's the funny entry?! :( Aug 07 21:22:03 has anyone built images for debian (aside from fyp and h1)? Aug 07 21:22:08 TAsn: the entry about the contest itself is what's funny Aug 07 21:22:15 badcloud_: kind of Aug 07 21:22:27 you mean personally, or other stuff? Aug 07 21:22:36 Latest Qt stuff is on top of Debian Aug 07 21:22:40 I see Aug 07 21:22:44 rooly, oh. Aug 07 21:22:56 can qt run on one ext2 part? Aug 07 21:23:01 or does it need the fat Aug 07 21:23:01 yep Aug 07 21:23:05 christ Aug 07 21:23:20 so it's got all the debian software and all? Aug 07 21:23:22 does qtmoko come on an fso-console image? Aug 07 21:23:24 spaghetti monster Aug 07 21:23:25 156 megs... Aug 07 21:23:27 sorta large Aug 07 21:23:29 badcloud_: yessir Aug 07 21:23:33 grrrrreat Aug 07 21:23:43 rooly: no, it's all Debian now Aug 07 21:23:47 how's the x server. finger comfy? Aug 07 21:23:51 heh Aug 07 21:23:57 * rooly is going check out qtmoko on his sd Aug 07 21:24:00 i got 16 gb Aug 07 21:24:04 the integration is kink of hacky Aug 07 21:24:05 much more room for the debians Aug 07 21:24:16 bring on teh debihans! Aug 07 21:24:42 i'll use my 1gb uSD card for this Aug 07 21:25:09 Qt has some more polish since the older stuff too. Aug 07 21:25:29 last time i tried using it, it would randombly crash in places Aug 07 21:25:32 aw Aug 07 21:25:33 how about call sound quality? Aug 07 21:25:38 heh. Aug 07 21:25:41 last time, quite Aug 07 21:25:45 with no chance of getting louder Aug 07 21:26:00 Qt is the same as everything else. Aug 07 21:26:01 i'm gonna go fiddle with the .state files Aug 07 21:26:09 Chocky: shr is quite nice to use for calls Aug 07 21:26:13 its very much loud enough Aug 07 21:26:23 I'm using shr as my daily phone Aug 07 21:26:28 i don't have to attempt cold fusion of my hand and my brain to hear the damned person on the other side Aug 07 21:26:34 but in terms of software... Aug 07 21:26:34 yeah, I think something is bust in my phone after I got buzzfix done. Aug 07 21:27:58 Chocky: as to the GPS there were reports that sometimes internal connector gets loose. Easily fixable by carefully squeezing it. Aug 07 21:28:06 yessir Aug 07 21:28:36 Chocky: do you want to hear more clarifications wrt that? Aug 07 21:28:57 Chocky: don't be so sceptical, there's no magic in there. Aug 07 21:29:13 I'm not, I promise! Aug 07 21:32:18 so Aug 07 21:32:28 * Chocky tries latest SHR bits Aug 07 21:32:30 * rooly is gonna be using his 1gb uSD card for distro testing Aug 07 21:32:45 but omfg Aug 07 21:33:03 157 megs for qtmoko v6? Aug 07 21:33:09 heh, it's Debian Aug 07 21:33:19 yeah, but i'd like to turn my phone on sometime before tomorrow Aug 07 21:33:25 you know how long that's going to take to flash Aug 07 21:33:36 rooly: wiki modified Aug 07 21:33:44 PaulFertser: going looksee Aug 07 21:33:56 put in PC and unpack there. No longer than the 30MB files take to flash over USB Aug 07 21:34:45 PaulFertser: is there any command i could use to attempt to find out the capacity on it Aug 07 21:34:50 on shr at least Aug 07 21:35:16 mount /dev/battery /battery; df -h /battery Aug 07 21:35:19 rooly: no, dumb batteries has no way to somehow obtain the capacity. Except for the full discharge in controllable conditions. Aug 07 21:35:29 Chocky: :)) Aug 07 21:35:53 * rooly laughs Aug 07 21:36:31 hmm Aug 07 21:36:41 wtf is taking so long to write the partiton table to my usd card Aug 07 21:37:41 rooly: googling says it was 720 mAh Aug 07 21:38:18 sounds about right then Aug 07 21:38:34 it lasted for about that long Aug 07 21:38:47 * rooly has 3 backup batteries Aug 07 21:38:58 rooly: are you using a dumb driver already? Aug 07 21:39:05 no Aug 07 21:39:09 rooly: why? Aug 07 21:39:15 just for booting, primarily, so i can charge my main battery Aug 07 21:39:29 but if qi boots like you say, then i don't really need them anymore Aug 07 21:40:04 rooly: qi boots, but kernel dies. Someone with a serial console should take a look at that to know at which place it die. Aug 07 21:40:29 probably screen init, don'tcha think Aug 07 21:40:35 seems like it would suck the most juice Aug 07 21:40:52 powering up any of the devices could do that, but yes Aug 07 21:41:15 rooly: glamo is already inited since it needs to be done for SD access. Aug 07 21:41:28 rooly: i'm unsure how much does jbt suck. Aug 07 21:41:38 rooly: but turning on backlight would kill it for sure. Aug 07 21:42:02 yeah, the 100ma provided by the inital usb connection isn't enough for boot Aug 07 21:42:41 rooly: i know but i don't have a serial console handy :-/ Aug 07 21:42:47 about the only way to actually boot off a dead battery is to trickle charge it for 2-3 hours Aug 07 21:43:09 now, i'm only saying this out of experience Aug 07 21:43:18 I think I had to piss about with wires and a Nokia battery Aug 07 21:43:22 now, that was fun Aug 07 21:43:34 * rooly snickers Aug 07 21:43:45 hmm, what about putting 2 bl-4c's in parrallel... Aug 07 21:43:47 that would be fun Aug 07 21:43:51 rooly: for me booting to NOR u-boot works even without a battery but not with all hosts (i.e. it works with my desktop but doesn't with my laptop). Aug 07 21:44:18 you could put them in parallel, but they might not charge Aug 07 21:44:45 Chocky: why not? Aug 07 21:44:56 okay Aug 07 21:44:57 series then Aug 07 21:45:00 series should work Aug 07 21:45:13 I'm just guessing, I don't know enough about the charging mechanisms, so please correct me, but I think the uneven voltages might not help Aug 07 21:45:16 no, not series! Aug 07 21:45:26 you'll double the voltage then Aug 07 21:45:37 yes Aug 07 21:45:46 * Chocky slaps Aug 07 21:45:48 but then you'd have a portable bomb Aug 07 21:45:56 aka iPod Aug 07 21:46:01 right Aug 07 21:46:07 rooly: you'll burn your FR with voltage >5V Aug 07 21:46:08 but you could actually REMOVE the offending battery Aug 07 21:46:15 oh that's harsh Aug 07 21:47:30 Chocky: if you connect two points with an ideal wire the voltage will be equal. Aug 07 21:47:54 openmoko: 03werner * r5404 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (19 files in 2 dirs): Aug 07 21:47:54 openmoko: - added icons for new-style measurements (on-going) Aug 07 21:47:54 openmoko: - increased default window size for make room for new icons Aug 07 21:47:54 openmoko: - switch the canvas to dark blue when instantiation fails Aug 07 21:47:54 openmoko: - modularized point lookup logic of instantiate_meas Aug 07 21:47:55 openmoko: - added highlight mode (on-going) Aug 07 21:48:17 Chocky: I=\frac{U}{R} so for an ideal wire (R=0) the voltage will be zero too. Aug 07 21:48:42 * rooly really needs to make a patch for US mobile phone lookup Aug 07 21:48:57 because in the US, sms and calls come thru on different numbers Aug 07 21:49:43 rooly: there's some normalisation code in SHR already. Aug 07 21:49:52 its not hard Aug 07 21:49:56 rooly: you give it some area codes, national codes etc. Aug 07 21:49:57 especially in python Aug 07 21:50:17 i wrote a lookup that took care of the +1 and the area code problems in about 3 minutes Aug 07 21:50:33 rooly: too bad US operators are too dumb to adhere to the GSM standard despite being "+1 code" country. :( Aug 07 21:50:48 yeah, well i can't help that Aug 07 21:50:55 i *could* make a patch to fix it for us operators Aug 07 21:51:03 being TMobile and AT&T Aug 07 21:51:23 rooly: do you mean that the code already in SHR can't deal with it? Aug 07 21:51:25 could pull that out of fso, match against, and then attempt to fix the contact lookup Aug 07 21:51:43 PaulFertser: it hasn't worked on mine, granted i'm using shr-unstalbe 07/21 Aug 07 21:52:13 * Chocky gives all US operators a thorough slapping Aug 07 21:52:16 rooly: have you set the proper values in config? Aug 07 21:52:18 especially AT&T Aug 07 21:52:26 i wouldn't know, PaulFertser. Aug 07 21:52:28 i don't know what they are Aug 07 21:52:45 rooly: aha, that's enough for a reason. Aug 07 21:52:54 rooly: i think it's called ophonekitd.conf or smth. Aug 07 21:53:00 so yes, when I make a call from SHR, I can hear taps on the other end, but not much else, e.g. music playing Aug 07 21:53:39 that is, sound from FR end doesn't end up at real phone end Aug 07 21:53:39 * rooly goes and checks that out Aug 07 21:53:59 so has anyone put any effort into integrating google voice? Aug 07 21:54:10 * rooly thinks he might be able to accomplish it Aug 07 21:54:16 win Aug 07 21:54:40 i mean, using the gv call functionality would be easy as pie Aug 07 21:54:57 just store your gv number, pin Aug 07 21:55:05 send it a dial-tone of 1 Aug 07 21:55:06 you just have to dial an access number first? Aug 07 21:55:20 then send it a dial of the number you want to call Aug 07 21:55:28 Chocky: you have to dial your own number Aug 07 21:55:34 ah, right Aug 07 21:56:07 so IE, i would dial ***-66-rooly and it would give me 1 - call, 2 - voicemail Aug 07 21:56:08 1 Aug 07 21:56:18 dial the number and press # Aug 07 21:56:29 111-222-3333# Aug 07 21:56:37 call connected Aug 07 21:56:38 gvftw Aug 07 21:56:48 all of that can be automated Aug 07 21:57:01 it would only add a minimal overhead to the actual call time Aug 07 21:57:07 I want a cellphone/pda that can make regular phonecalls, have a good calendar and sync calendar/contacts good with linux. If possible I would like the OS of the phone to be opensource also. I am considering openmoko and the freerunner, but I am wondering if it has a working calendar application atm, if phonecalls are actually working now, and if it can sync calendar with evolution or sunbird/lightening on Linux? Aug 07 21:57:21 * Chocky laughs. Aug 07 21:57:28 jesperj: go use a palm pre Aug 07 21:57:36 if freerunner doesnt work for this yet, suggestions on other phones/pda's are welcome Aug 07 21:57:43 * rooly just did it Aug 07 21:57:46 go use a palm pre Aug 07 21:57:54 it's based on openembedded just like om Aug 07 21:58:22 rooly: I would if it wasn't for the crappy thing abuot palm pre that you can not sync via bluetooth or usb to desktop. you can only sync via wifi Aug 07 21:58:26 and you have to do it through google Aug 07 21:58:29 wich is total crap Aug 07 21:58:36 okay Aug 07 21:58:44 nokia n80 or whatev Aug 07 21:58:59 the nokia linux smartphone is pretty much the best around Aug 07 21:59:27 nokia n80... do i use the default os of the phone then or install something else on it? Aug 07 21:59:34 it got good linux support out of the box? Aug 07 21:59:44 it uses linux Aug 07 21:59:48 cool. Aug 07 22:00:08 and syncing of calendar like evolution or sunbird actually works and doesnt fuck up? Aug 07 22:00:14 so swear Aug 07 22:00:16 couldn't tell you Aug 07 22:00:22 i don't have one Aug 07 22:00:23 tried to sync om my ericsson phone and its a fucking joke Aug 07 22:00:32 creates double entries everytime I sync Aug 07 22:00:37 and other stuff Aug 07 22:01:10 why not freerunner then? Aug 07 22:01:20 jesperj: are you looking for a real free software solution? Aug 07 22:01:26 doesnt work at all yet? Aug 07 22:01:36 jesperj: its not quite to the point of what you want Aug 07 22:01:41 jesperj: basically everything you can install on laptop you can install on FR. Aug 07 22:01:46 you can sometimes *use* the fr as a daily phone Aug 07 22:01:55 PaulFertser: preferably but mainly I just want a cellphone/pda that actually really WORKS when it comes to syncing calendar stuff Aug 07 22:02:01 but I would prefer opensource Aug 07 22:02:07 you could theoretically install evolution onto one of the distros Aug 07 22:02:14 i don't know if evolution syncs with itself Aug 07 22:02:15 and also sync via usb or bluetooth, not through google or similar Aug 07 22:03:17 jesperj: there's nothing special about FR, it's just a small form-factor GNU/Linux capable device. Aug 07 22:03:24 I dont think I would even have to sync if I had two copies of evolution. the "syncing" would be solved by just copying over the files from one device to the other I guess Aug 07 22:03:56 * rooly1 is having trouble ssh-ing into his FR Aug 07 22:04:05 jesperj: emacs works on FR. So you can use it for you calendaring tasks and easily think by copying (rsyncing) stuff. Aug 07 22:04:37 s/think/sync/ Aug 07 22:04:37 PaulFertser meant: jesperj: emacs works on FR. So you can use it for you calendaring tasks and easily sync by copying (rsyncing) stuff. Aug 07 22:05:11 yeah, just make a dmesg-script that catches a cdc-ethernet device connection, then scp over the evolution files, diff them, and figure out what you want to keep Aug 07 22:05:52 I need functionality like alarms, reoccuring events, views of days/weeks events etc Aug 07 22:06:00 a simple text file doesnt work then Aug 07 22:06:14 alarms sometimes work with atd Aug 07 22:06:27 jesperj: emacs has some cool mode for managing your time afaik. Aug 07 22:06:38 jesperj: i'm not talking about a simple text file. Aug 07 22:07:03 PaulFertser: I had a feeling you didn't as soon as I typed it out :) Aug 07 22:07:06 rooly: alarms work with fso-atd or directly via FSO API. Aug 07 22:07:18 ic Aug 07 22:07:25 jesperj: if i didn't i'd say "vim" instead of "emacs" ;) Aug 07 22:07:25 But if FR doesnt work as a phone yet then it's not an option I guess Aug 07 22:07:29 * rooly hasn't had any luck with ffalarms... Aug 07 22:07:43 I need it to work right now :( I thought freerunner worked with qtopia stable at this point Aug 07 22:07:47 for everyday usage Aug 07 22:07:58 jesperj: i use FR as my only cellphone since november. Aug 07 22:08:02 PaulFertser: heh Aug 07 22:08:07 * rooly does too Aug 07 22:08:14 but i always keep a spare Aug 07 22:08:19 * PaulFertser doesn't Aug 07 22:08:22 in case it bugs out on me and i don't have time to wait for a reboot Aug 07 22:08:23 that sounds good, but... Aug 07 22:08:26 like shr often does Aug 07 22:08:34 so how unstable is it? Aug 07 22:08:40 * rooly makes rampant use of the gprs is all Aug 07 22:09:06 it just crashes randomly every now and then and you reboot and then it works? what works stable and what makes it crash? Aug 07 22:09:13 stability is for businesmen and others who has something to loose ;) Aug 07 22:09:20 gprs + gsm + gps all working together seem like it might overload the FR's kernel Aug 07 22:09:29 for just calendar, sms and calling does it work "stable enough"? Aug 07 22:09:42 i can't really reproduce it clinically yet tho... Aug 07 22:09:52 rooly: "overload" the kernel? Sounds like a shitty bugreport :S Aug 07 22:09:52 jesperj: sure does Aug 07 22:10:03 PaulFertser: 's why i haven't made one Aug 07 22:10:08 oh good Aug 07 22:10:11 that is good news Aug 07 22:10:12 :) Aug 07 22:10:14 i can't reproduce it clynically Aug 07 22:10:19 is this with openmoko or qtopia? Aug 07 22:10:24 clinically...whatever Aug 07 22:10:35 jesperj: shr-unstable and om2009 Aug 07 22:10:50 qtopia is the best in terms of PIM integration Aug 07 22:11:00 but it crashes quite a bit Aug 07 22:11:04 and takes a long time to boot Aug 07 22:11:19 * rooly can't manage to get his uSD to format Aug 07 22:11:21 shit Aug 07 22:11:25 aw Aug 07 22:11:29 fail whale Aug 07 22:11:31 qtopia crashes genreally or specially when it comes to the calendar part? Aug 07 22:11:36 generally Aug 07 22:11:39 random times Aug 07 22:11:43 ok Aug 07 22:11:46 some subsystem Aug 07 22:11:50 more than openmoko? Aug 07 22:11:54 quite alot more Aug 07 22:11:58 interesting Aug 07 22:11:59 jesperj: qtopia wasn't developed for hackers in the first place. And most devs are not interested in it. Aug 07 22:12:02 x11 is way more stable than the qt fb Aug 07 22:12:04 gah, Billy Mays ODed. stupid. Aug 07 22:12:17 PaulFertser: *nod* Aug 07 22:12:24 So no reason to use it. Aug 07 22:12:36 * rooly likes it for the PIM integration Aug 07 22:12:41 ok, so which celebrity death of an under 80 year old isn't an OD? Aug 07 22:12:47 I would only have used Qtopia if it was more stable than Openmoko and had functions I needed that openmoko didnt Aug 07 22:12:49 if I had a FR Aug 07 22:13:04 I will probably hack on openmoko myself if I get a FR Aug 07 22:13:06 no other distro has the integration available in qtopia Aug 07 22:13:07 Chocky: Lennon? Aug 07 22:13:17 princess dianna Aug 07 22:13:17 heh, true. Ok, this decade. Aug 07 22:13:25 well Aug 07 22:13:28 that was last decade Aug 07 22:13:31 Chocky: even Cobain! Aug 07 22:13:39 Cobain was 1990s Aug 07 22:14:01 John Hughes maybe, but that's yet to be seen Aug 07 22:14:13 what about chris reeves Aug 07 22:14:18 yes, ok. Aug 07 22:14:22 What do you mean by PIM integration rooly? Aug 07 22:14:37 And wosserface Aug 07 22:14:46 anyway, just sayin' Aug 07 22:14:50 jesperj: calender, contacts, alarms, everything, all intergrated like you'd expect it to be in a smartphone os Aug 07 22:15:11 the FR is more often treated like a laptop in terms of software integration, than a smartphone Aug 07 22:16:46 Ok. I understand the theory but I can't really picture what it really means when it comes to how those parts would be more or less integrated. I think of those functions as connected but separate. Aug 07 22:17:05 But I guess it has to do with how those functions can communicate with eachother Aug 07 22:17:11 like it sounds with integration Aug 07 22:17:11 For example, Aug 07 22:17:12 yes Aug 07 22:17:23 take a number from a contact into a calendar Aug 07 22:17:24 or whatever Aug 07 22:18:01 well that example sounds very simple :P Aug 07 22:18:06 alerts on your home screen Aug 07 22:18:16 search in your address book Aug 07 22:18:23 Or if you delete a contact as someones died, it asks you if you'd like to cancel upcoming appointments with them Aug 07 22:18:31 * rooly laughs Aug 07 22:18:36 heh Aug 07 22:18:36 that's cruel Aug 07 22:18:37 * Chocky laffs at SE Aug 07 22:18:46 Especially if you're their dealer Aug 07 22:19:06 nothing wrong with dead people Aug 07 22:19:26 never met a dead person that wasn't polite Aug 07 22:20:05 always keep their thoughts to themselves Aug 07 22:20:16 don't demand working software Aug 07 22:20:17 always dressed well too Aug 07 22:20:22 don't type stuff on the interwebz Aug 07 22:20:35 don't wear pants Aug 07 22:20:40 some of them smell bad, however Aug 07 22:21:06 only the first ten years Aug 07 22:21:11 but I don't like those of them that walk around trying to eat brains Aug 07 22:21:20 some even have a cool glow-in-the-dark effect Aug 07 22:21:55 Zorkman: an alternative lightning enery sollution? lit your home with corpses? Aug 07 22:22:05 ok enough funny guy from me Aug 07 22:22:44 so what are your experiences from syncing openmoko/qtopia calendar on FR to Linux calendar on your desktop? Aug 07 22:22:56 nunca completo Aug 07 22:23:01 what calendar do you use on FR and desktop and how does it work for you? Aug 07 22:23:07 doesn't Aug 07 22:23:21 :( Aug 07 22:23:25 want any more no's? Aug 07 22:23:37 I... I'm not sure Aug 07 22:23:39 I guess I do Aug 07 22:24:04 or actually I want more answers with experiences and hoping to get a success-story Aug 07 22:24:06 i'll be happy to provide Aug 07 22:24:19 rooly: you're not a dead guy are you? Aug 07 22:24:27 * rooly has used every available useable os extensively Aug 07 22:24:31 not since i last checked Aug 07 22:24:37 but i haven't checked in a while Aug 07 22:25:03 if you'd like to know my personal favorite, i'll tell you Aug 07 22:25:05 oh well, no time to check pulse or lifesigns, we are discussing serious topics here. Aug 07 22:25:10 and hell, it might even boot faster Aug 07 22:25:13 if you use qi Aug 07 22:25:26 sure tell me. Aug 07 22:25:32 the most stable os ever released for the neo freerunner Aug 07 22:25:43 was hands down, qt 4.3.2 Aug 07 22:26:10 but that was over a year ago Aug 07 22:26:29 but what's the problem with syncing calendar to desktop then? Aug 07 22:26:31 woooo, finally added to open streetmap with a trace from my fr Aug 07 22:26:39 jesperj: its simple Aug 07 22:28:01 BECAUSE the software isn't finished; and BECAUSE it might change at any time, and BECAUSE linux distros vary so wildly, and BECAUSE nobody really has the time to fix a few underlying problems that are the main source of all the trouble Aug 07 22:28:27 hell Aug 07 22:28:31 is the wifi driver fixed yet? Aug 07 22:28:40 damn it. Aug 07 22:28:50 looks like I'll have to buy a FR and get it working. Aug 07 22:28:57 and I allready have RSI :/ Aug 07 22:29:02 jesperj: i do believe every last one of us has already said that... Aug 07 22:29:36 fucking hell I just want a cellphone that works with syncing my calendar to evolution or sunbird on linux Aug 07 22:29:40 over usb or bluetooth Aug 07 22:29:50 but can i find one? noooo Aug 07 22:30:17 nope Aug 07 22:30:19 rooly: the more people get caught in the FR-net, the sooner it will be done Aug 07 22:30:20 none available Aug 07 22:30:25 I guess swearing really doesn't help Aug 07 22:30:40 Chocky: sorry. I'm having sortof a bad day Aug 07 22:30:45 dude Aug 07 22:30:48 give him a break Aug 07 22:30:54 what. Aug 07 22:30:55 it's fine. Aug 07 22:30:57 just learned that the phone of his dreams doesn't really perform Aug 07 22:31:00 heh. Aug 07 22:31:02 its like it has ED o something Aug 07 22:31:06 :) Aug 07 22:31:09 mine doesn't either. Aug 07 22:31:33 hey, PaulFertser Aug 07 22:31:47 can you copy over your alsa state files for me? Aug 07 22:31:54 i wanna try throwing them at qtmoko Aug 07 22:32:01 and i can't seem to ssh into my fr Aug 07 22:32:42 oh well. Aug 07 22:32:47 thanks for the info and chat guys. Aug 07 22:32:51 np Aug 07 22:32:52 have a good weekend. Aug 07 22:32:53 happy to help Aug 07 22:32:55 you too Aug 07 22:33:04 bye for now. Aug 07 22:33:05 if you do get an FR Aug 07 22:33:06 thanks Aug 07 22:33:10 we'll be happy to provide some support Aug 07 22:33:18 cool Aug 07 22:33:27 so, cgps is giving values, it seems, but TangoGPS has been sitting there for 20 mins with nothing Aug 07 22:33:30 just don't ask about the goddam battery Aug 07 22:33:32 thanks. I'll probably contribute somehow to the project sooner or later if so. Aug 07 22:34:04 what about the ba... nevermind :P *poof* Aug 07 22:34:05 Chocky: i noticed that if you quit and restart tango too fast, before fso has a chance to turn off the gps, then it just up and doesn't work Aug 07 22:34:15 hm Aug 07 22:34:25 requires a reboot Aug 07 22:34:31 or maybe just a restart of ogpsd Aug 07 22:35:08 fso-gpsd? Aug 07 22:35:14 or that Aug 07 22:35:33 i haven't attempted the init.d restart method Aug 07 22:35:38 i'm just guessing it might work Aug 07 22:35:53 well, I only started TanogGPS once, and I have GPS always on Aug 07 22:36:45 jesus christ thats a huge image Aug 07 22:37:00 dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D qtmoko-debian-v6.jffs2 Aug 07 22:37:01 ... Aug 07 22:37:02 ... Aug 07 22:37:05 * Chocky laffs Aug 07 22:37:09 Transfer Size = 0x1000 Aug 07 22:37:10 rooly so religious Aug 07 22:37:20 bytes_per_hash=3280588 Aug 07 22:38:10 rooly: i can but i don't have useless caps in the earpiece path. Do you have those? Aug 07 22:38:11 I thought the point was to put it on your SD card? Aug 07 22:38:30 i have an a7 Aug 07 22:38:41 so Aug 07 22:38:44 i suppose Aug 07 22:38:45 iunno Aug 07 22:38:59 i suppose i could take it apart and find out Aug 07 22:39:06 but...i don't have a guitar pick Aug 07 22:40:21 man Aug 07 22:40:22 rooly: a7 has them in place :( Aug 07 22:40:33 rooly: so my files won't work for you well. Aug 07 22:40:42 PaulFertser: do they affect the sound quality? Aug 07 22:40:45 rooly: btw, those caps are under the can. Aug 07 22:40:51 cause i could prolly remove 'em Aug 07 22:41:03 rooly: if you use my files unmodified you'll have very low volume in the earpiece. Aug 07 22:41:27 do you use shr-unstable 07/21? Aug 07 22:41:33 rooly: i use Debian. Aug 07 22:41:36 oic Aug 07 22:41:41 rooly: with frameworkd from git. Aug 07 22:41:47 rooly: and self-compiled kernel of course. Aug 07 22:41:51 ahh Aug 07 22:42:00 * tim_abell has converted a trace to gpx and kml, loaded it into google earth which is coooool, and then discovered google earth won't tell you the file name so i can't tell them apart having picked a nice one. doh! Aug 07 22:42:01 yeah, i can't seem to get a toolchain working Aug 07 22:42:58 does ANYONE ELSE use shr Aug 07 22:42:59 rooly: what distro are you using? For debian there's emdebian, with that it's easy to get a working toolchain. Aug 07 22:43:09 rooly: (i mean on your host) Aug 07 22:43:11 ubu 904 Aug 07 22:43:21 rooly: so emdebian should work there. Aug 07 22:43:27 i'll look into it Aug 07 22:43:28 thanks Aug 07 22:43:32 been needing one Aug 07 22:43:33 rooly: but if you want to build SHR packages, you're to use OE. Aug 07 22:43:49 all i really want is an fso-console image Aug 07 22:44:00 rooly: then you need OE. Aug 07 22:44:08 maybe replace it with uClibc Aug 07 22:44:12 * ndnihil is -so- close Aug 07 22:44:14 get better boot time Aug 07 22:44:35 rooly: lots of people using SHR Aug 07 22:44:50 * rooly decides to just go download the tgz and rip out the state files Aug 07 22:44:55 I another dozen or so Makefile fixes and it'll be set Aug 07 22:45:06 s/^I/I think/ Aug 07 22:46:04 christ Aug 07 22:46:11 why the hell is the qtmoko image so gigantic Aug 07 22:46:24 i know its debian, but STILL Aug 07 22:46:37 157 megs Aug 07 22:46:51 that'll take almost a week to flash Aug 07 22:47:35 * tim_abell is using shr-u rooly Aug 07 22:47:40 PaulFertser: btw, could you possibly inform me of why uboot was always set to boot the kernel in debug mode by default? Aug 07 22:48:05 tim_abell: would you mind scpying the alsa state files and pasting them somewhere for me Aug 07 22:48:14 rooly: it doesn't depend on u-boot code, it depends on u-boot environment that is supposed to be user-tweakable to his needs. Aug 07 22:48:26 i realize Aug 07 22:48:34 but why was uboot in debug mode by default Aug 07 22:48:40 i want to see if i can improve my volume in qtmoko Aug 07 22:48:41 sure, though i haven't changed them from the default install Aug 07 22:48:48 that's perfectly fine Aug 07 22:48:50 i'm on an un modified a6 Aug 07 22:48:55 in the uk Aug 07 22:49:23 which files do you want exactly? Aug 07 22:49:25 i don't believe its an affector of the sound output from a6 to a7 unless the statefiles configure differently based on the hardware revision Aug 07 22:49:28 (full path pls) Aug 07 22:49:32 rooly: u-boot or kernel parameters in u-boot env? Aug 07 22:49:39 kernel params Aug 07 22:49:49 rooly: my a6 lacks the useless caps. Aug 07 22:50:03 tim_abell: don't worry about it, i should have the shr-unstable tgz in a few minutes Aug 07 22:50:12 k :) good luck Aug 07 22:50:20 rooly: probably at that time nobody really cared about boot and suspend/resume time. And when people started to care there was Qi already. Aug 07 22:50:20 mines been ok recently Aug 07 22:50:26 no complaints from callers Aug 07 22:50:33 ditto here Aug 07 22:50:39 altho it doesn't ring too loud... Aug 07 22:50:41 rooly: also that "default" u-boot env was factory-flashed and the decision about what to flash was made long time ago. Aug 07 22:51:01 mine seems to have given up ringing at all for some reason. just vibrates. don't really care though Aug 07 22:51:14 PaulFertser: yeah, but even later uboots that you flashed yourself into nand would do the same thing Aug 07 22:51:24 actually Aug 07 22:51:30 rooly: because you flashed u-boot, not its env! Aug 07 22:51:42 you can flash the uboot env? Aug 07 22:52:04 rooly: sure, but usually people just edit it from u-boot console or with some userspace tools. Aug 07 22:52:14 ic Aug 07 22:52:56 the nor uboot's default evn for manually booting was without debug mode Aug 07 22:53:13 but all the nand uboots defaulted to debug either default or manually Aug 07 22:53:34 so at times when i was fed up with waiting i would start up nor uboot and manually boot the phone Aug 07 22:53:41 load times were at the minimum 20% faster Aug 07 22:54:32 either way Aug 07 22:54:34 no big deal Aug 07 22:54:39 qi doesn't do it at all Aug 07 22:54:55 and fixes the hell out of suspend/resume times too Aug 07 22:55:11 i think using qi with qtopia 4.3.2 might actually allow sms to work correctly Aug 07 22:55:24 rooly: yes, Qi is supposed to "just work" without any chances to mess something by inappropriate environment editing or something like that. Aug 07 22:55:45 That was the intention, design guideline for Qi. Aug 07 22:56:13 hmm Aug 07 22:56:18 which state files are important Aug 07 22:56:24 all of 'em? Aug 07 22:56:29 rooly: gsmhandset Aug 07 22:57:17 that should be in /etc/gsmhandset.state, right? Aug 07 22:57:57 rooly: i'm afraid not. SHR uses some strange path like /usr/share/scenarii or the like Aug 07 22:58:05 strange and wrong of course. Aug 07 22:58:29 lol Aug 07 22:59:58 oy Aug 07 23:00:02 can't find it Aug 07 23:00:10 apparently it's a configured file Aug 07 23:00:16 Sleep time for me. Good luck fighting for freedom ;) Aug 07 23:00:21 nn Aug 07 23:00:34 shit Aug 07 23:00:36 there it is Aug 07 23:00:43 /usr/share/shr/scenarii Aug 07 23:02:07 root@om-gta02 ~ $ find / -name '*.state' Aug 07 23:02:08 /etc/asound.state Aug 07 23:02:08 /usr/share/shr/scenarii/stereoout.state Aug 07 23:02:08 ... Aug 07 23:02:11 * tim_abell is too slow Aug 07 23:02:45 tim_abell: you think you could scp your gsmhandset.state over Aug 07 23:02:49 i'd like to diff it Aug 07 23:03:12 sure, 2 secs Aug 07 23:03:51 paste it against this Aug 07 23:04:39 http://pastebin.com/d5c2f47b4 Aug 07 23:04:44 http://www.timwise.co.uk/om/ Aug 07 23:04:53 http://www.timwise.co.uk/om/scenarii.tar.gz gotta run Aug 07 23:04:57 good luck Aug 07 23:04:58 laters Aug 07 23:04:59 okay Aug 07 23:05:00 nn Aug 07 23:33:30 OK, SHR-U is getting REALLY unstable these days... I can't keep it working for a straight day. Aug 07 23:34:23 woot woot, perl-tk compiled successfully Aug 07 23:37:11 Constantly having to restart frameworkd, ophonekitd. Aug 07 23:37:35 grab 20090703 Aug 07 23:37:41 it seems to be fairly reliable Aug 07 23:37:50 The phone stops working, the light stops coming on when it's charging, it suspends on USB connections (power or computer) Aug 07 23:38:05 :\ Reflashing is such a pain. Aug 07 23:38:11 it is Aug 07 23:38:14 I have to completely reinstall everything. :( Aug 07 23:38:32 same here, it's a pain in the ass Aug 07 23:38:56 I use a shell script Aug 07 23:39:12 it installs all the packages I had installed before Aug 07 23:39:18 but even still, its a pain in the ass Aug 07 23:39:21 ndnihil: Yeah. Aug 07 23:39:39 cross your fingers Aug 07 23:39:58 ndnihil: Does it make a list based on what's installed before flashing, or is the list just written in? Aug 07 23:40:22 I keep a package list on uSD Aug 07 23:40:39 opkg list_installed > /media/card/installed.log Aug 07 23:41:00 then I appent the external URLs of things from opkg.org/angstrom/etc.. Aug 07 23:41:06 s/appent/append/ Aug 07 23:41:07 ndnihil meant: then I append the external URLs of things from opkg.org/angstrom/etc.. Aug 07 23:41:10 * ndnihil stabs apt Aug 07 23:41:42 ndnihil: Heheheh Aug 07 23:42:00 ndnihil: And I don't suppose there's a way to automate that appending? Aug 07 23:42:11 yeah, a wrapper for opkg Aug 07 23:42:20 ndnihil: Where do I get it? Aug 07 23:42:26 inside vi Aug 07 23:42:31 where you write it :) Aug 07 23:42:44 ndnihil: Can I have a copy? :P Aug 07 23:42:56 I havent written a wrapper for it yet Aug 07 23:43:03 Ahhhh Aug 07 23:43:05 I just add them by hand Aug 07 23:43:13 but it would be fairly trivial to do Aug 07 23:43:37 Yeah. Aug 07 23:44:00 right now I'm trying to get perl-tk working Aug 07 23:44:05 just got the module compiled Aug 07 23:44:10 but it looks like I'm missing other stuff Aug 07 23:44:25 Can't locate unicore/PVA.pl in @INC ( Aug 08 00:18:58 holyshit Aug 08 00:19:03 I have working perl-tk Aug 08 00:19:26 my camera control app from the workstation works! Aug 08 00:21:25 correction Aug 08 00:21:27 it displays Aug 08 00:21:39 but it seems the callbacks are different in this version Aug 08 00:28:44 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r640a3a99b988 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_csv_contacts.py: opimd: CSV-Contacts: Update function names Aug 08 00:28:45 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r66f4369d0214 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sqlite_contacts.py: opimd: SQLite-Contacts: update function names Aug 08 00:28:45 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r008f59004353 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/query_manager.py: opimd: Query manager: fix variable name Aug 08 00:28:46 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * rd415f1f50a4e 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_generic.py: opimd: Generic domain: general fixes Aug 08 00:28:48 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * rd50f39522139 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_contacts.py: opimd: Contacts: inherit from GenericDomain, general fixes Aug 08 00:32:10 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r731e55131bb4 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_contacts.py: opimd: Contacts: fix dbus signature in GetContactPath Aug 08 00:33:55 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r15eb57684a9d 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_generic.py: opimd: Generic: fix dbus signatures Aug 08 01:27:20 <|Marco|> http://underpower.non-essential.com/comics/20061122.jpg <-- bare su du er klar over det :P Aug 08 01:27:26 <|Marco|> ops, sorry **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 08 02:59:57 2009