**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 12 02:59:57 2009 Aug 12 03:00:10 links on the wiki are broken Aug 12 03:00:22 shr-manual Aug 12 03:00:34 Slaxxer: I found with the latest images I couldn't change the call volume but with the older ones I could Aug 12 03:01:27 why do u need to change the call volume?' Aug 12 03:01:48 because I can't hear the other person on the other end Aug 12 03:02:39 I'm a linux noob really, running ubuntu here, how to allow the freerunner to connect to the net via usb? Aug 12 03:02:57 on the wiki see usb networking Aug 12 03:03:14 kernel 119821+ Aug 12 03:03:26 well stopit Aug 12 03:04:28 ifconfig -a note the output Aug 12 03:04:57 then hook up the neo an ifconfig -a again an note the putput Aug 12 03:05:22 determine what your machine names your neo Aug 12 03:05:43 the putput!! Aug 12 03:06:15 iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 Aug 12 03:06:15 sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 Aug 12 03:06:15 ifconfig eth2 up Aug 12 03:06:15 ip addr add 192.168.0.200/28 dev eth2 Aug 12 03:06:15 ip addr add 192.168.0.200/28 dev eth2 Aug 12 03:06:31 as root Aug 12 03:06:39 then logout Aug 12 03:07:16 konsole as regular user an ssh root@192.168.0.202 Aug 12 03:07:30 are u in yet? Aug 12 03:08:08 Voltagex: there is a good mostly graphical method offered in the wiki Aug 12 03:08:26 change the eth2 to whatever your machine names your neo:) Aug 12 03:10:54 ot@om-gta02 ~ $ ping 4.2.2.2 Aug 12 03:10:54 PING 4.2.2.2 (4.2.2.2): 56 data bytes Aug 12 03:10:55 64 bytes from 4.2.2.2: seq=0 ttl=50 time=248.315 ms Aug 12 03:10:59 :D :D Aug 12 03:11:47 o.O opkg isn't installed Aug 12 03:12:38 nevermind got it Aug 12 03:12:41 older image Aug 12 03:12:51 u need an older image Aug 12 03:12:51 latest image Aug 12 03:12:56 it's called opkg-cl Aug 12 03:13:05 oo Aug 12 03:13:21 opkg-cl update Aug 12 03:13:26 ?? Aug 12 03:13:41 why did that happen Aug 12 03:14:33 no idea Aug 12 03:14:48 where is that mostly grafical way at anyways>?' Aug 12 03:16:27 basically set it up in network manager then you can just ssh in Aug 12 03:17:12 network manager? Aug 12 03:17:52 in ubuntu Aug 12 03:18:35 I want to be able to use wifi Aug 12 03:18:36 really. Aug 12 03:21:32 set your lan to 192.168.1.1 an then 192.168.0.1 will be the wireless Aug 12 03:28:33 later Aug 12 03:28:39 thanks for your help all Aug 12 03:34:45 duke nukem needs fixed Aug 12 04:44:43 hey guys, does mokonnect work for anyone with wifi? I can see networks with `iwlist eth0 scan` but I don't see scan results in Mokonnect Aug 12 04:45:33 doesn't work for me Aug 12 04:45:56 what are you currently using? Aug 12 04:46:19 command line Aug 12 04:46:27 ok Aug 12 04:46:41 nice and finger-friendly Aug 12 04:46:59 mhmm Aug 12 04:47:35 * rooly is ranting about how foss devs should never ever name things Aug 12 04:48:15 "mokonnect" or otherwise? Aug 12 04:48:45 to me? Aug 12 04:49:55 rooly: yes Aug 12 04:50:10 in general Aug 12 04:50:12 openmoko Aug 12 04:50:14 fso Aug 12 04:50:16 shr Aug 12 04:50:21 fdom Aug 12 04:50:26 mokonnect Aug 12 04:50:41 hell, plain old 'gnu' Aug 12 04:50:49 the list is honestly neverending Aug 12 04:50:57 as to why foss devs should never name something Aug 12 04:51:59 the name Neo works Aug 12 04:52:15 not sure about freerunner Aug 12 04:52:33 neo is a great name Aug 12 04:52:36 neo 1973 Aug 12 04:52:37 no Aug 12 04:52:41 freerunner Aug 12 04:52:42 no Aug 12 04:52:46 too long winded Aug 12 04:53:01 it takes me 2 breaths just to say the name of my damn phone Aug 12 04:53:23 the openmoko gta02-a7 neo freerunner Aug 12 04:53:52 neo for short Aug 12 04:54:46 I don't bother with the name typically Aug 12 04:54:52 i have to Aug 12 04:54:54 I just explain what it is Aug 12 04:55:00 i'm the only one in the whole damn state with one of these Aug 12 04:55:11 12:53 < rooly> it takes me 2 breaths just to say the name of my damn phone Aug 12 04:55:12 nice Aug 12 04:55:15 two breaths o_0 Aug 12 04:55:26 i was exagerating, of course Aug 12 04:55:53 i've gotten to the point of simply telling people who are only mildly interested (and there are ALOT of them) "It's the only one you'll ever see like it" Aug 12 04:56:07 same length as its actual name Aug 12 04:56:14 but then i don't have to explain the name Aug 12 04:56:16 h hahahaha Aug 12 04:56:39 IE, openmoko, neo freerunner, neo, neo 1973, gta01/02, a#, etc Aug 12 04:57:36 as far as names go, openmoko is a bit better than most Aug 12 04:58:15 I just go with linux-based computer that's also a phone Aug 12 05:05:06 I'm still having no luck with command line wpa_supplicant Aug 12 05:05:35 I keep getting "Failed to initiate AP scan." Aug 12 05:15:07 nn **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Aug 12 05:26:18 2009 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 12 05:28:14 2009 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Aug 12 05:32:06 2009 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 12 05:34:16 2009 Aug 12 05:35:21 question in the gsmheadsetstate config file why is there two values for control 4? Aug 12 06:25:50 morning Aug 12 08:17:01 Hey there Aug 12 08:52:27 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rb241178fa679 10/libfsobasics/ (3 files in 2 dirs): libfsobasics: move prefixForExecutable from libfsoframework to here and add test for it Aug 12 08:56:17 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r216dc62912ef 10/libfsobasics/fsobasics/utilities.vala: libfsobasics: utilities: cache program name result Aug 12 09:00:14 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * ra00d9675034c 10/libfsoframework/ (5 files in 2 dirs): libfsoframework: catch up with new createLogger syntax Aug 12 09:22:30 I am having trouble with the Linux USB Ethernet/RNDIS driver in windows with kernel 2.6.29-rc2 and om2009 testing 5. Are there any one else having this problem? Aug 12 09:23:29 still not safe to upgrade? hmm Aug 12 09:24:37 I get a code 10, cannot start, in the devicemanager in windows. Sounds like regression of ticket #1279 Aug 12 09:25:55 Daramarak: what is that kernel? Aug 12 09:26:40 the ticket? Aug 12 09:26:52 Daramarak: no, give me the kernel rev Aug 12 09:27:01 Daramarak: git hash Aug 12 09:29:16 oh, I downloaded it from the testing5 site, the files are on another computer. Is there any way of checking that on the FR? Aug 12 09:31:21 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * recb54c57f8f5 10/libfsotransport/fsotransport/transport.vala: libfsotransport: catch up with new logger API Aug 12 09:32:24 Daramarak: no idea, i've always built kernel myself Aug 12 09:33:09 Daramarak: do you see any oopses on FR after you try to connect? Aug 12 09:40:19 PaulFertser: How do i check? Aug 12 09:40:35 Daramarak: dmesg usually works best Aug 12 09:44:26 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rd751bb0cf4eb 10/ (5 files in 5 dirs): all: catch up with new logging API Aug 12 09:45:36 hi all, i have the feeling that my freerunner is a bit slow. would some of you be so kind to compile and run the program i posted on http://pastebin.com/m586b1859 and report the run time? for me it takes around 40 seconds to complete Aug 12 09:46:57 PaulFertser: Nothin bad here. g_ether gadget: full speed config #2 : RNDIS and pcf50633 0-0073 : usb curlib to 500mA Aug 12 09:49:21 edje2: yes - it will bentob0x Aug 12 09:49:25 edje2: be Aug 12 09:49:31 edje2: no FP unit Aug 12 09:49:34 Daramarak: what is the build date for your kernel (uname -a should shouw it) Aug 12 09:49:55 edje2: so you're measuring the speed of emulated floats - which are slow - avoid them Aug 12 09:50:06 SpeedEvil: hmm, but i am using only integers right? Aug 12 09:50:09 PaulFertser: It is Jun 16 06:06:19 Aug 12 09:50:15 edje2: no Aug 12 09:50:29   double i; Aug 12 09:50:44 edje2: http://paste.debian.net/43964/ Aug 12 09:51:33 PaulFertser: thanks, that is even worse then i have ;-) Aug 12 09:51:48 edje2: try int i - and it should complete in under a second Aug 12 09:52:20 Daramarak: the last commit that can have any relation to rndis networking is http://paste.debian.net/43964/ Aug 12 09:52:26 Daramarak: hm, not that :) Aug 12 09:52:30 yes, but it is to long for an integer, so i am copiling with long now Aug 12 09:52:34 Daramarak: Jun 11 Aug 12 09:52:45 edje2: 99 million is not too long for int Aug 12 09:52:55 edje2: int goes up to 2^31 or so Aug 12 09:53:04 real 0m0.035s Aug 12 09:53:07 :-) Aug 12 09:53:51 I susppect the compiler may be optimising that out - I'm unsure Aug 12 09:53:53 that's too fast Aug 12 09:54:24 I don't know if the compiler is that smart Aug 12 09:54:41 Daramarak: try with different PC/cable/without hub etc. Usual stuff. Aug 12 09:55:05 edje2: I would expect something of the order of 0.8s or so Aug 12 09:55:11 PaulFertser: will do, ill get back with some results. Aug 12 09:55:13 SpeedEvil: it did, i recompiled with -O0 and now it takes: real 0m5.006s Aug 12 09:55:30 edje2: try int Aug 12 09:55:42 that is with int Aug 12 09:55:48 ah Aug 12 09:57:14 edje2: 5s does seem too slow - I'd have thought it'd be somewhat faster than that. Aug 12 09:57:29 edje2: for something entirely in cache Aug 12 09:57:48 that is why i asked for other people to try it, i feel it is a bit slow too Aug 12 09:59:04 edje2: you're sure it's int - not long you're compiling with? try for(x=9999..;x>0;x--); Aug 12 09:59:34 int i; Aug 12 09:59:35 int x; Aug 12 09:59:39 yes, i am suer ! Aug 12 09:59:42 sure* Aug 12 10:01:02 SpeedEvil: how fast is it on your FR ? Aug 12 10:01:07 edje2: I'd try inspecting the generated code - I forget the flag. Aug 12 10:01:26 edje2: I don't have a FR. Spent all my allocated toy money on the neo. Aug 12 10:01:59 edje2: -S Aug 12 10:03:56 i am not sure what this is all about: http://pastebin.com/m2cdce4a6 Aug 12 10:06:03 * PaulFertser is amazed to see how much discussion some very insignificant topics (like "hall of fame" or some other stupid stuff) receive on community ML while important questions are misunderstood/ignored. Shit. Aug 12 10:07:30 Bitching about the community is a mug's game... Aug 12 10:07:55 but does releive stress Aug 12 10:08:33 well, i am out for lunch, back in about half an hour Aug 12 10:10:14 alephnull: man, i really hoped that openmoko community would be less consumerist. There're quite some people who do understand stuff, some who can code and some that are working really hard but the majority is hm... Well, it's not what i expect from a hacker community. Aug 12 10:13:54 edje2: IIRC - ldr r3, [fp, #-20] - load r3 from the address in memory pointed to by fp-20 - is quite slow - 2 clocks. And there are a lot of them per loop gcc is just being very dim in this case - and not using registers at all sensibly - x should be one, ... Aug 12 10:16:17 PaulFertser: I see your point. But I don't see things changing. Aug 12 10:17:12 alephnull: hehe, whenever i do something that can really change things (being rude and "elitist" to the "end-users") i always get blamed ;) Aug 12 10:18:07 PaulFertser: Ok, tested with different ports, and I have tested on a another computer at home. No luck, same error everywhere. Aug 12 10:18:33 Daramarak: well, try a kernel version that was built from the revision you know Aug 12 10:19:50 alephnull: you see here SpeedEvil talking about arm clock cycles (i don't know that stuff btw, SpeedEvil is way ahead of me here) and on the community list they spread misinformation and vote about wiki pages design... Aug 12 10:21:13 PaulFertser: i would like to help but i have so few time, if there were a list of very small fixes that can be done, i could in two hours a week to something. to eat an elephant eat him small piece by small piece. but i didn't find so small things, each problem i faced asked so much time... i mostly waited for fixes... Aug 12 10:21:53 PaulFertser: Preaching to the choir, brother :) Aug 12 10:22:24 so i am an average customer while i would like to be an active participant. Aug 12 10:22:26 nullix: being a busy man is ok. But being stupid/*nix-illiterate just doesn't belong here. ;) Aug 12 10:24:24 being a *nix-illiterate is for me incompatible with purchasing a *nix development phone kit. Aug 12 10:24:53 layout is fine to talk about. Vastyl more important is for someone who's at least used the recent softweare going through the wiki and tagging every irrelevant page Aug 12 10:26:03 In some ways translation makes this harder. Aug 12 10:27:42 SpeedEvil: i'd prefer to discuss "policy" issues. E.g. i'm sure there shouldn't be working iptables recipies on the wiki because they don't give understanding and most of the time don't work. But it's a policy thing. Aug 12 10:28:08 yeah Aug 12 10:28:49 But going through the wiki and actually editing for content is a couple of orders of magnitude harder than tagging. Aug 12 10:28:58 You'd actually need to pay someone I suspect. Aug 12 10:31:19 SpeedEvil: we had one employee that was payed for editing the wiki. Unfortunately, it didn't help anything :-/ And nobody (except me!) complained. Quite the opposite, i was blamed for being "bad" for complaining :( Aug 12 10:31:56 can you elaborate on the problems? Form over content? Aug 12 10:33:18 though irrelevant now I suppose. Aug 12 10:34:11 SpeedEvil: the main problem is that our wiki sucks ;) I think that all that layout, design etc stuff is nowhere near as important as the content. And the content is often wrong and outdated. Or just doesn't make sense or misleading (like usb networking instructions with plenty of useless recipies for ubuntu users). Aug 12 10:35:21 SpeedEvil: the official OM editor couldn't change the content at all mostly because she couldn't understand a bit of it and also because she couldn't write something even remotely close to proper English. Aug 12 10:35:57 :/ Aug 12 10:36:29 (i can't say i'm that smart and good-looking^W can write proper articles but i'm not employed to edit the wiki) Aug 12 10:37:26 Sounds like some of hte comments made on the Gajinsmash blog about his work doing japanese-english translation - and the bosses simply not understanding why it wasn't like japanese-chinese. Aug 12 10:37:27 But OM community said, "it's ok, Brenda, go ahead". And even after more than half a year with the community she still couldn't use her MUA in a decent way. Aug 12 10:37:54 SpeedEvil: can you share a link? Aug 12 10:38:35 looking Aug 12 10:41:50 http://www.gaijinsmash.net/archives/sour_apples_par.phtml - Aug 12 10:42:29 (JET = japanese english teacher - a program to get native english speakers into japanese schools) Aug 12 10:43:01 Often hilarious blog of a large black american man teaching japanese (and other topics) Aug 12 10:45:56 openmoko: 03werner * r5423 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (10 files): Aug 12 10:45:56 openmoko: - put hbox around frame table so that it doesn't grow when we give it more Aug 12 10:45:56 openmoko: space than it needs Aug 12 10:45:56 openmoko: - dump.c: separated ordering function from actual printing Aug 12 10:45:56 openmoko: - added list of vectors and object (on the right side of the variables) Aug 12 10:46:22 SpeedEvil: thanks! :) Aug 12 10:49:16 Yet another thing to do on the internet to avoid working! :) Aug 12 11:18:37 hi, i'm trying to use navit on gta01 and i intalled all planet.bin file, but when i try to start navit i have this error Aug 12 11:18:47 mmap: Cannot allocate memory Aug 12 11:19:11 can be loaded planet.bin maps on gta01 or it is needed loaded only small maps? Aug 12 11:19:26 I'd try adding some swap Aug 12 11:19:36 (never tried navit) Aug 12 11:19:36 no :) i try Aug 12 11:22:13 added, but some problem Aug 12 11:25:33 but all maps files are loaded in ram before use, because if is so, it isn't possible that could be used with planet file Aug 12 11:27:02 openmoko: 03werner * r5424 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (gui_frame.c gui_style.h inst.c inst.h): Aug 12 11:27:02 openmoko: - changed item list font to Courier, which looks a lot tidier Aug 12 11:27:02 openmoko: - active items can now be selected from the item list (selecting inactive items Aug 12 11:27:02 openmoko: will be a little harder) Aug 12 11:30:15 I don't know - I would think that loading the whole map would be silly. Aug 12 11:30:24 Bu I don't know if navit actually does that Aug 12 11:31:38 I found some possible hardware issue, I think Aug 12 11:32:13 when I left my FR turned on for +24h the screen got snowed :( Aug 12 11:32:31 maybe map file is broken... if i remove loading by navit.xml file navit start... i don't .. i will try with other map file, thanks for replies Aug 12 11:32:53 I can reproduce this by conencting the FR to my computer (which runs 24/7) and turn the display on Aug 12 11:33:29 rhaeder: I've done the same with no ill effects Aug 12 11:33:37 hmmm Aug 12 11:33:52 I use omnewrotate Aug 12 11:33:59 as do I Aug 12 11:34:24 what dist do you use? Aug 12 11:34:37 I'm on shr-unstable from early last month Aug 12 11:34:48 SpeedEvil: i could never understand how one can work so much and what for... Japan i weird. Aug 12 11:35:04 paroli, maybe that is shr-unstable? Aug 12 11:35:29 no, paroli is OM2008(9?) Aug 12 11:38:03 2009 :) Aug 12 11:38:11 I have latest packages Aug 12 11:44:39 PaulFertser: that's teh conclusion I came to. Aug 12 11:47:17 SpeedEvil: one of my buddies from the university started to learn japanese and 3 years later decided to move there. :( I know that he learned some common lisp and got 3 broken alpha-based machines in his spare time. I don't even know what does he do currently during the workhours and for some reason i feel it's inappropriate to ask. And we were good buddies... Aug 12 12:13:40 <_r1_> hi Aug 12 12:15:12 <_r1_> I'm on Ubuntu with a FR, trying to put it as USB mass storage. I make some mknod (major 179), but still have an error on g_file_data insert module Aug 12 12:15:32 <_r1_> I follow this (at start) http://88.198.93.221/wiki/Using_the_Neo_as_an_USB_Mass_storage_device Aug 12 12:16:12 <_r1_> I just want to know if there is a solution for this problem or if it's specific to me. Aug 12 12:16:20 _r1_: are you sure you really want that? scp works so well... Aug 12 12:16:36 <_r1_> I know, but I really want that Aug 12 12:17:23 _r1_: where did you find the advice to do mknod? Aug 12 12:18:14 <_r1_> first in my mind :) then on a website Aug 12 12:18:32 <_r1_> (for the major) Aug 12 12:18:48 _r1_: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Using_the_Neo_as_an_USB_Mass_storage_device ? Aug 12 12:18:52 <_r1_> right her: http://www.armadeus.com/wiki/index.php?title=USB_Gadget Aug 12 12:19:02 <_r1_> not here Aug 12 12:19:21 <_r1_> but without the device the module says "no such file..." Aug 12 12:19:24 _r1_: follow the instructions from official OM wiki then. And report what exactly doesn't work. Aug 12 12:19:41 _r1_: modprobe reports no such file? Aug 12 12:19:45 "hcitool dev" returns me no BT device. I used this script: http://www.nopaste.org/p/aWadob6rF Aug 12 12:19:56 any ideas? need a modprobe somewhere? Aug 12 12:20:05 rhaeder: no Aug 12 12:20:13 rhaeder: you need to read FSO_Resources wiki page! Aug 12 12:20:18 <_r1_> PaulFertser: Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) Aug 12 12:20:34 _r1_: and dmesg says? Aug 12 12:20:35 <_r1_> and in dmesg : g_file_storage gadget-lun0: unable to open backing file: /dev/mmcblk0 Aug 12 12:20:44 <_r1_> (sorry mistake erlier) Aug 12 12:22:02 <_r1_> so I say myself that the device don't exist... Certainly my mistake. Aug 12 12:22:12 *cough*partition*cough* Aug 12 12:22:12 _r1_: well, you're supposed to not have uSD mounted before you do use g_filestorage. Aug 12 12:22:38 ndnihil: are you sure? usb mass storage device usually have partition table on its own. Aug 12 12:23:15 got, so I need fsoraw? Aug 12 12:23:18 ok Aug 12 12:23:25 opps^ Aug 12 12:23:35 if its going to serve up the filesystem, it needs to know about the filesystem, not the device, no? Aug 12 12:23:47 <_r1_> PaulFertser: you mean that I have to umount on FR? (sorry I totally discover the FR. Aug 12 12:24:00 havent played with it since I last had one of the NGW100 boards running Aug 12 12:24:05 _r1_: FR _is_ gnu/linux machine. Aug 12 12:24:24 _r1_: you want FR to pretend it's a mass storage device. By "exporting" one of the files. Aug 12 12:24:43 _r1_: your command shows you want to "export" uSD. Well, you shouldn't have it mounted then, obviously! Aug 12 12:25:19 ndnihil: g_filestorage serves raw device. Aug 12 12:25:29 <_r1_> PaulFertser: kay Aug 12 12:27:19 I could have been using a different module Aug 12 12:27:31 set them up so they could be plugged into edit the config Aug 12 12:27:47 companion systems to PBX's in each office Aug 12 12:28:00 and I can't find my dev board Aug 12 12:29:02 ndnihil: you can export raw partition, you can export raw device. Would work as well. Some mass storage devices come without partition table at all ("superfloppy"). Aug 12 12:29:10 ndnihil: so that doesn't prove anything. Aug 12 12:46:22 SpeedEvil: It's extremely weird to see that guy got himself in such a tough situation just because of some stupid wedding :-/ Aug 12 12:54:21 PaulFertser: it worked, but only temporarily Aug 12 12:54:22 hmmm Aug 12 12:54:45 rhaeder: what did work? Reading FSO_Resources? ;) Aug 12 12:54:55 no ;) Aug 12 12:55:13 tried this: fsoraw -r Bluetooth sleep 1; hcitool dev Aug 12 12:55:26 and it listed a device Aug 12 12:56:28 rhaeder: hm, if you tried literally what you wrote that means you misunderstood the page :( Aug 12 12:56:31 that sleep is required because the BT device (in the FR) needs to be woken up Aug 12 12:56:35 rhaeder: isn't that because it releases it after sleep is done? Aug 12 12:56:56 hmm Aug 12 12:57:13 i think the device got releases after the hcitool call :) Aug 12 12:57:23 rhaeder: wrong Aug 12 12:57:31 rhaeder: the device got released after fsoraw call. Aug 12 12:57:43 Daramarak: yes, right Aug 12 13:03:37 fsoraw -r Bluetooth sleep 30 & sleep 10; hcitool dev Aug 12 13:04:36 will keep bluetooth alive for 30 seconds and wait 10 seconds for the BT to settle and then lists the device Aug 12 13:05:37 simple-agent should be extended with the fsoraw-calls, I think? :) Aug 12 13:08:45 rhaeder: why? It's unix, combine the things the way you need. Aug 12 13:09:17 edje2: not exactly elegant way. Why all you don't like what i proposed on the wiki? Aug 12 13:09:24 ok, created a small wrapper shell script (I'm not very much in python) Aug 12 13:10:11 hi paul, i was just trying to see what worked. do you have a link to your wiki? i am intrested ! Aug 12 13:12:10 edje2: FSO_Resources page Aug 12 13:13:16 that dbus call is the permanent version (see manual config) Aug 12 13:13:21 :D Aug 12 13:13:31 I can see a Nokia3650 here Aug 12 13:14:01 fsoraw -r Bluetooth -- bash -c "sleep 1; hcitool dev" <--- right more elegant indeed ! Aug 12 13:21:24 edje2: i was _so_ pissed that most users don't understand the idea of "resources" and have never heard about fsoraw that i decided i'd save me trouble explaining everything over and over again and made a wiki page ;) Aug 12 13:21:56 good idea :) Aug 12 13:22:10 thank you for flying.... err using fsoraw :-D Aug 12 13:22:16 great, especially examples are really valuable Aug 12 13:23:12 which reminds me I need to add a further requirement to fsoraw ticket Aug 12 13:23:28 handle resource_available signals Aug 12 13:25:05 --signal-on-rsrc-vanish SIGINT Aug 12 13:25:42 --echo-on-rsrc-vanish "quit" Aug 12 13:26:19 --exec-on-rsrc-vanish "killall mp3player" Aug 12 13:26:41 --exec-on-rsrc-vanish "killall %self" Aug 12 13:35:06 PaulFertser: I use the om2009 testing 5 distro and I get a fsoraw not found. Aug 12 13:35:28 opkg install fsoraw Aug 12 13:35:43 if that fails, pester the distro maintainer Aug 12 13:36:21 ah damned, at work with my Windows machine, and having problems with the RNDIS driver. Aug 12 13:36:44 no fsoraw for me :( Aug 12 13:38:45 the binary isn't exactly distro-specific, so if you manage to get it on your device somehow, just throw into a $PATH directory and chmod +x Aug 12 13:41:08 well with no wifi and no usb networking, I am having a difficult time accessing the FR, ill have to wait until I get home. Aug 12 13:43:49 uSD card still possible ;-) Aug 12 13:44:01 anyway, cya Aug 12 13:44:08 * DocScrutinizer waves Aug 12 13:48:48 one question: is there a package 'svn' available? even www.opkg.org doesn't provide it Aug 12 13:50:09 rhaeder: look for subversion ? Aug 12 13:50:26 jupp Aug 12 13:50:47 so I can use subversion tools on my FR :) Aug 12 13:53:08 i mean look for such package ;) Aug 12 13:53:12 subversion, not svn Aug 12 13:54:18 tried it already Aug 12 13:54:41 rhaeder in openembedded buildtree is recipe for subversion Aug 12 13:55:12 so you cen build it yourself, or I can try to build it Aug 12 13:59:58 yes, please try it for me. I'm not very much in bitbaker Aug 12 14:00:05 and so on :) Aug 12 14:00:43 rhaeder nor am I, but after one week of building packages, I still wonder how can that thing someone really use :) Aug 12 14:01:50 failed, and doesnt look like trivial error Aug 12 14:02:13 I will look into it later, when I get from work Aug 12 14:44:20 openmoko: 03werner * r5425 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (README gui_canvas.c gui_frame.c gui_frame.h inst.c): Aug 12 14:44:20 openmoko: - when selecting an object via the item list, make its frame active Aug 12 14:44:20 openmoko: - having variables and items on the screen at the same time was too much. We Aug 12 14:44:20 openmoko: can now toggle with "/" while the canvas has the focus. (This needs better Aug 12 14:44:22 openmoko: controls.) Aug 12 15:16:21 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * rde2f0448f851 10/gsm0710mux/ (channel.vala consts.vala manager.vala multiplexer.vala): libgsm0710mux: catch up with new logging API Aug 12 15:27:10 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * r3ba357ca2536 10/gsm0710mux/multiplexer.vala: libgsm0710mux: fix SIGSEGV on shut down Aug 12 15:42:47 openmoko: 03werner * r5426 10/developers/werner/myroot/README: Call Qemu by its real name. Aug 12 16:40:18 whats the difference in lite-om an shr-lite? Aug 12 16:40:38 lite-om? Aug 12 16:40:52 http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/?C=M;O=D Aug 12 16:41:06 full-om Aug 12 16:41:50 do any of you use android? Aug 12 16:41:59 NO Aug 12 16:42:05 sdo u? Aug 12 16:42:47 panasonic whipped up 9 new linux phones using limo Aug 12 16:44:18 is it time for an shr-testing or what? Aug 12 16:45:36 rooly uses android Aug 12 16:45:38 no Aug 12 16:45:39 i don't Aug 12 16:45:43 :) Aug 12 16:46:20 superDave uses android Aug 12 16:46:39 more like crashes android... Aug 12 16:47:10 btw Aug 12 16:47:20 you were asking what's the diff between shr-lite and shr-full? Aug 12 16:47:49 well theres another Aug 12 16:47:56 oh Aug 12 16:47:57 full-om Aug 12 16:48:05 yeah, no diff Aug 12 16:48:06 an lite-om Aug 12 16:48:29 ok Aug 12 16:48:45 you tell by the file size, date, and relative name/placing Aug 12 16:48:49 u have 0808? Aug 12 16:48:52 nope Aug 12 16:49:01 got tired of my dialer randomly crashing Aug 12 16:49:03 0721? Aug 12 16:49:04 i'm on paroli Aug 12 16:49:07 o Aug 12 16:49:13 which doesn't crash Aug 12 16:49:25 and is easy to modify Aug 12 16:49:40 an a fso desktop to? Aug 12 16:49:54 mmhmm Aug 12 16:49:59 or just paroli? Aug 12 16:50:07 paroli runs on a bare fso Aug 12 16:50:26 with a few things like tichy, etk/efl, and python for e Aug 12 16:50:27 anyy wifi? Aug 12 16:50:35 only working wifi around... Aug 12 16:50:46 you just gotta route del default on first use Aug 12 16:50:49 wifi gui? Aug 12 16:50:52 mmhmm Aug 12 16:52:03 fastest wifi connection around Aug 12 16:52:05 its weird Aug 12 16:52:07 may have to switch Aug 12 16:52:17 there are other random bugs Aug 12 16:52:19 but Aug 12 16:52:20 gps ok? Aug 12 16:52:24 you don't have to delete sms's Aug 12 16:52:38 might have to install fso-gpsd Aug 12 16:53:00 but i think tangogps relies on gpsd, and the repo decides to put fso-gpsd in for it Aug 12 16:53:04 using a daily paroli? Aug 12 16:53:07 yessir Aug 12 16:53:17 wait, as a daily phone, or a daily build Aug 12 16:53:55 build? Aug 12 16:54:02 no Aug 12 16:54:05 ok Aug 12 16:55:16 sso its 06162009? Aug 12 16:58:50 Slaxxer, I'm downloading full-om-gta02.tar.gz Aug 12 16:59:00 * elopio gave up with android for the moment. Aug 12 17:00:54 going to put it on sdcard? Aug 12 17:01:45 openmoko: 03werner * r5427 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (dump.c fbga.fpd gui_frame.c sc89.fpd): Aug 12 17:01:45 openmoko: - reduced padding around item lines Aug 12 17:01:45 openmoko: - item ordering heuristics failed to properly use "." Aug 12 17:01:45 openmoko: - updated description of "need" in dump.c Aug 12 17:01:45 openmoko: - saved fbga.fpd and sc89.fpd with new ordering Aug 12 17:12:34 hi gang. Does anyone here have a suggestion for a SIP softphone that works in SHR? Aug 12 17:22:51 Hi Aug 12 17:22:58 --- busybox compile: Hi. I want to compile busybox for android on Openmoko (freerunner). I could not find a clear step by step for either Sourcery or other method. Can anyone point to a good resource? Aug 12 17:26:26 Hi TommyBres Aug 12 17:26:38 I've posted the same q here Aug 12 17:26:56 --- busybox compile: Hi. I want to compile busybox for android on Openmoko (freerunner). I could not find a clear step by step for either Sourcery or other method. Can anyone point to a good resource? Aug 12 17:31:13 * TommyBres drops a pin and listens to the echo Aug 12 17:56:58 openmoko: 03werner * r5428 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (README fbga.fpd sc89.fpd): Aug 12 17:56:58 openmoko: - named vectors in sc89.fpd Aug 12 17:56:58 openmoko: - README: described use of "loop" as "if" and change fbga.fpd to use this Aug 12 17:58:24 What is "fped" ? Aug 12 18:04:10 Slaxxer, I'm going to flash it. Aug 12 18:27:51 Andre613: linphone? Aug 12 18:48:05 WTF is that they asked me for bluetooth networking instructions and when finally i provided it nobody's interested and nobody's tried? Why? :-E Aug 12 18:56:25 PaulFertser: what? what? what? Aug 12 18:56:55 Where? Aug 12 18:57:17 Kagee: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Information_about_bluez4_networking Aug 12 18:57:20 Of course Aug 12 18:59:13 PaulFertser: what makes you think no one's interested? Aug 12 18:59:24 Undrwater: no feedback whatsoever. Aug 12 18:59:39 Undrwater: the guy who asked for instructions became interested in compiling Blueman instead. Aug 12 18:59:56 Undrwater: others seem to have ignored the thread. Aug 12 19:00:22 i've got a bookmark on the instructions...both for networking and for headset use... Aug 12 19:00:48 right now my phone is unusable, but i'll be sure to give feedback when i try Aug 12 19:01:19 really appreciate the guides tho...i've seen that folks have made it work...so i look forward to it Aug 12 19:03:08 Undrwater: cool, thanks. I hope you know how to set up a Linux-based router in general because i provided only the instructions to get networking going, the interface configuration is out of scope. Either it's obvious or it requires to read quite some stuff about networking concepts and iptables anyway. Aug 12 19:04:18 is that documented in the instructions? a pointer is always helpful Aug 12 19:04:35 i mean, that the interface config is out of scope Aug 12 19:04:56 some folks may not know what they don't know ;) Aug 12 19:08:00 Undrwater: Hm, not. I'm so fucking tired of being accused of being "elists" (just on the grounds i know how to read manual pages!) that i'm in fact reluctant to ditch all those useless iptables recipies and other stuff like that. Aug 12 19:08:15 s/elists/elitist/ Aug 12 19:08:17 PaulFertser meant: Undrwater: Hm, not. I'm so fucking tired of being accused of being "elitist" (just on the grounds i know how to read manual pages!) that i'm in fact reluctant to ditch all those useless iptables recipies and other stuff like that. Aug 12 19:08:28 PaulFertser: Using PC's connection from Neo and on is bluez3-style? (not yours?) Aug 12 19:09:33 i assume Aug 12 19:09:34 Kagee: "2.7.2 Using PC's connection from Neo" is some weird mess of useless recipies among with something that i think should stay. Of course, i haven't written it. Aug 12 19:09:41 I've completely lost my BT headset. Aug 12 19:09:50 Well - partially. Aug 12 19:09:56 SpeedEvil: now we're talking about "PAN" :D Aug 12 19:10:00 I can locate it to within 20m*5m*2.5m Aug 12 19:10:40 Is there such a thing as a bluetooth video image display device profile? Aug 12 19:10:46 BTW, i hoped i would benefit from the bluetooth instructions. Alas my sleeping place is just 0.5 a bit too far from my laptop place to actually be able to use my internet connection from my FR :( Aug 12 19:11:09 SpeedEvil: never heard of. I'm luckily not a bluetooth expert. Aug 12 19:11:25 Just wondered if you'd come across it in your research. Aug 12 19:11:33 I was sort-of-thinking of making one. Aug 12 19:13:08 OK, so 2.6.24 does not do RTC wakeups. too bad, as 2.6.29 has too many other issues :( Aug 12 19:13:34 Kagee: you said earlier .29 doesn't do wakeups properly too, is it still true? Aug 12 19:13:34 nevermind...looks pretty good Aug 12 19:13:45 PaulFertser: I have not been able to reproduce those frequent resumes. Aug 12 19:14:35 Kero: what other issues does .29 have for you? Aug 12 19:14:52 Kero: except wsod and lack of uSD power management? Aug 12 19:14:59 I think it unlikely that it was activity triggered by gsm/SIM/provider. people do not work late evening, and the noone has that phone number (as it'stemp) Aug 12 19:16:56 uSD power mgmt? uBoot and uSD ;) kernel does it fine, and with proper /etc/fstab editing uSD is working well under .29 Aug 12 19:17:36 it's the WS that's blocking. the non-warm-boot is annoying, and by now I think it's .29 not SHR. Aug 12 19:17:55 but I only need to reboot because of WS. Aug 12 19:18:29 Kero: uSD is working, yes. But it's still working in suspend, sucking power too ;) Aug 12 19:19:33 Kero: so, do when you see the WSOD? Right after resume? Does it happen everytime? Is the system still responsive? Aug 12 19:21:24 hadn't noticed uSD sucking power, yet. but hey, the new card is less than 24h old :) Aug 12 19:22:17 WS would be immediately at resume. After a short period of being white ( I expect SW and HW drivers waking up ), it should show console and then X. Aug 12 19:22:22 it never shows text Aug 12 19:23:21 Kero: can you suspend again after that? Aug 12 19:24:56 from ssh, yes; but I haven't been able to re-resume without WS ono that. Aug 12 19:25:16 would it be useful to know whether touchscreen works? Aug 12 19:26:07 (man, with its screen Neo is a lovely picture frame, too) Aug 12 19:27:01 Kero: hm, i think no, TS will just work as you say you can ssh in and everything else works... Aug 12 19:28:06 Kero: have you tried to do something like "echo qvga-normal > .../jbt.../state"? Aug 12 19:28:56 * Kero confirms that warm reboots from .24 into .24 work just fine for GSM. Aug 12 19:29:00 will boot to .29 now Aug 12 19:29:34 nope, had figure out jbt is the relevant driver, but nothing more. Aug 12 19:30:52 which is very much hitting you in the face when you google on WSOD. Aug 12 19:41:47 mm, spontaneous resume. Aug 12 19:42:54 dmesg lists: IRQ 17 asserted at resume / GSM wakeup interrupt (IRQ 17) Aug 12 19:43:08 am I to take that as GSM triggered resume? Aug 12 19:43:57 it's not even d*mn responsive to queries to provide channels... (warm reboot issue) Aug 12 19:44:02 Kero: right. You have also a special sysfs node to tell the resume reasnon. Aug 12 19:44:19 there is? nice. where? Aug 12 19:47:46 Kero: /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-resume.0/resume_reason Aug 12 19:48:06 ah hi Aug 12 19:48:16 i wonder if my openmoko device is broken Aug 12 19:48:19 it crashes a lot Aug 12 19:48:19 000000 Aug 12 19:48:34 nice number for a reason. how to translate? Aug 12 19:48:36 i removed the sd card but still it crashes a lot (i'm using shr) Aug 12 19:49:35 Kero: hm... obviously gta01 is less advanced ;) http://paste.debian.net/44012/ Aug 12 19:49:54 yeah, initial patch on openmoko-kernel is gta02 Aug 12 19:50:19 Kero: anyway, what about WSOD? Aug 12 19:50:49 not happening when I need it... Aug 12 19:52:07 hello all... is everything ready again to update? Aug 12 19:52:38 Kero: you mean you do not always have WSOD with .29? Aug 12 19:52:42 * Kero is getting the idea he's reproducing the frequent auto-resume: due to warm reboot, nothing to do with RTC alarms.... Aug 12 19:52:45 i just think, because there are many fixes and new packages on the shr-buildhost Aug 12 19:52:52 * Kero reboots coldly Aug 12 19:53:33 does someone test it? Aug 12 19:53:37 PaulFertser: nope. only after at least some period in suspend. but I can not give you a real pattern or threshold, yet. Aug 12 19:53:39 skamster20_: looks like it... Read community ML. Aug 12 19:53:57 Kero: have you tried to suspend and resume again? Did it ever help? Aug 12 19:54:34 a few times, did not help. Aug 12 19:55:09 * Kero will kick boot.fbz off his system to save a slow second... Aug 12 19:57:04 PaulFertser: i ain't said nothing about no .29 Aug 12 19:59:14 Kagee: that'll have been me :) Aug 12 20:00:44 Guys, what do you think of this song: http://www.jamendo.com/en/track/30058 ? (CC license, indierock like, good recording quality, "primitive" style) Aug 12 20:05:54 not much of the particular track, but the site is cool. Aug 12 20:07:52 Kero: he "designed the default sounds for the popular instant messaging client Pidgin and have also released some open source packages for musicians" Aug 12 20:07:52 button resume: dmesg sys: IRQ 50 asserted at resume Aug 12 20:07:54 no WS yet Aug 12 20:08:44 hehe; music and sounds are different arts. Aug 12 20:09:20 * Kero picked the intro os a couple of seconds from Parfum of To-Mera. The rest of the song is not quite so sweet as that piano. Aug 12 20:09:37 for incoming SMS, played on the Neo, that is. Aug 12 20:29:36 busybox: I want to compile busybox for android on Openmoko (freerunner). I could not find a clear step by step for either Sourcery or other method. Can you point to a good resource? Aug 12 20:40:24 Me gets pissed every time people drop the list from CC... How to fucking educate the users?! Aug 12 20:48:47 all users in one moment? - noway Aug 12 20:49:51 max_posedon: people from community ML drop CC writing to me in like 30% cases :( Aug 12 20:50:07 It's not exactly easy to me to not offend them after that! Aug 12 20:50:28 I can suggest write them smth like Aug 12 20:50:45 `I'll not answer if you won't send it to ML` Aug 12 20:52:18 max_posedon: i guess i'm already known for being a dick. :-/ Aug 12 20:53:12 its not a problem to become more evil Aug 12 20:53:14 PaulFertser: many people just don't take pride in each email. i think it's related to what leads people to top-post (especially on ML threads). i doubt it's really intended to annoy you nor done in the expectation that you'll enter a private correspondence Aug 12 20:53:59 Weiss: most of them do it of ignorance. Just because they don't know where their "reply to all" button is :( Aug 12 20:54:29 don;t forget that many email readers do not hae a reply-to-list button at all Aug 12 20:54:35 Weiss: and the reason for that is simple: community ML forges Reply-To: and by doing that encourages stupid behaviour :( Aug 12 20:54:53 hmm, it does Aug 12 20:55:06 Kero: reply to all is sufficient, i bet all even remotely decent MUAs have that. Aug 12 20:56:10 Weiss: and of course i strip that forged header before replying so my replies goes to the person and CCing the list. He sees the mail from me and just presses "reply". I can't see how to educate people, the best bet would be to stop forging the header. Aug 12 20:56:50 jc: Hi. Remember we talked about the forged Reply-To header for the community ML? What about finally stopping it?.. Aug 12 20:57:16 even the Corporate Crap I'm using at work (otherwise a very nice place to work) has Reply To All buttons. Aug 12 20:57:40 * PaulFertser can't even write proper english because of being too much frustrated over that reply-to thingie Aug 12 20:58:36 And of course because he doesn't know any :-/ Aug 12 21:00:50 :S Aug 12 21:03:35 Kero: you have Bv4, not v4! Aug 12 21:04:23 Kero: also to the best of my understanding the bug BillK writes about is not nearly the same as yours. Aug 12 21:04:43 Kero: i bet your warm resume problems would be solved by fixing frameworkd to power off the modem properly. Aug 12 21:05:00 it works perfect with 2.6.24 Aug 12 21:05:23 it may not be the kernel, but at least triggered by .29 Aug 12 21:06:16 Kero: not nearly the same bug, imho Aug 12 21:06:51 Kero: and warm-boot looks exactly like the issue of not powering off the modem properly. Moreover we know for sure frameworkd fails to do that. Aug 12 21:07:45 then what des 2.6.24 to to fix it? Aug 12 21:08:41 can be that it duplicates a job it should leave to user space; Aug 12 21:09:04 Kero: no, it doesn't. Probably some "unrelated" stuff has affects that. Aug 12 21:09:10 from my limited view, it seems similar enough. opening a new ticket is easy, too ;) Aug 12 21:10:38 * Weiss sends PaulFertser one of his favourite de-stressing videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3Ys5olyY2I Aug 12 21:12:04 also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FAM4pCJKgM Aug 12 21:16:36 PaulFertser: I also remember that shutting down GSM before reboot, did not make it work after, contrary to our expectations. Aug 12 21:19:56 Weiss: Thanks a lot! You're the man, it misteriously worked. :D Aug 12 21:20:17 Weiss: (tapping) i once saw this guy performing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMmWMG5j5o8 Aug 12 21:23:01 picure frame effect: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/cc7d4ab1a860d514e314f191d728e24f.png Aug 12 21:25:37 * Weiss wants a chapman stick, but €x10^4 Aug 12 21:42:00 WS, finally. Aug 12 21:44:10 no differences in dmesg Aug 12 21:46:41 Kero: ok, now try touching jbt state, valid are values "qvga-normal", "normal" Aug 12 21:46:43 cat /dev/fb produces a screenshot very much resembling what I just posted on scap.linuxtogo Aug 12 21:47:17 bl goes out after a while, touching lets it go on again. Aug 12 21:47:56 Kero: also "deep-standby" and "sleep" Aug 12 21:49:17 can not find jbt state, `find /sys -name \*jbt\*` gives me only /sys/bus/spi/drivers/jbt6k74/ containing bind, uevent, unbind and the symlink spi0.0 Aug 12 21:49:44 oh, spi0.0 actually contains a lot of things:) Aug 12 21:51:20 nothing, screen remains white Aug 12 21:51:38 Kero: probably Weiss or larsc can have some ideas... Aug 12 21:51:51 echo 1 > reset ? Aug 12 21:53:28 Kero: hm, i've never was deep in that jbt stuff... :( Aug 12 21:54:25 hmm.. what's wrong with that scap.linuxtogo screenshot? Aug 12 21:54:54 the screenshot is fine ;) I have a WS on gta01. Aug 12 21:55:03 ah Aug 12 21:55:05 the contents of the FB are fine. Aug 12 21:55:17 ah, i see Aug 12 21:55:26 everything seems to work, except I don't see that content. Aug 12 21:56:09 specifically, clock keeps running. and after all echo .. > state and 1 > reset, FB is still fine. Aug 12 21:56:36 clock keeps running == updates visible on cat /dev/fb Aug 12 21:57:22 clock as in pixel clock, or SoC CPU clock? Aug 12 21:57:37 CPU clock Aug 12 21:57:47 no idea how to check pixel clock Aug 12 21:58:36 the framebuffer is just a bit of memory (in GTA01, it's even the same memory as everything else, no special VRAM, as i understand it), so it makes sense that it's quite difficult to break it Aug 12 22:00:01 good. Aug 12 22:00:38 Kero: can you unbind and bind jbt driver? Aug 12 22:00:56 but JBT6k74 is fussy about the timing of being switched on vs. when data is provided. however, even on GTA02 i haven't actually experienced much Doom in that regard Aug 12 22:03:06 PaulFertser: um? I guess you want me to echo 1 > bind, but I do not know what it should do Aug 12 22:03:35 Kero: no Aug 12 22:04:03 Weiss: it took hours to get the first WS today. sometimes it's much quicker. can not pin down a pattern or threshold, yet Aug 12 22:04:54 Kero: echo spi0.0 > unbind Aug 12 22:05:12 Uhm, it's buggy, doesn't bind properly here... Aug 12 22:06:20 Obviously nobody has tried unbinding jbt driver before :( Aug 12 22:08:03 Kero: but binding/unbinding still worked for me. Aug 12 22:09:50 re-suspending does not help Aug 12 22:10:45 Kero: and what about binding/unbinding? Aug 12 22:11:10 echo spi0.0 > unbind; echo spi0.0 > bind, still white Aug 12 22:11:58 Kero: did unbind actually work? Aug 12 22:12:16 Kero: you can say that by doing "ls" before and after Aug 12 22:13:01 yeah, that worked. reading an article on LWN about it, atm. Aug 12 22:13:29 Kero: you should really try to catch larsc on irc to talk about this issue. Aug 12 22:18:54 OK Aug 12 22:27:36 * Kero calls it a day; thanks for all the help & g'night Aug 12 22:46:14 i guess during the screen replacement i didnt get the ribbon set into the socket correctly Aug 12 22:50:16 PaulFertser: are you in? Aug 12 23:24:44 daramarak: paul is watching draculetta movies ;-) OM rant wasn't scary enough for him :-P Aug 12 23:25:11 what rant? Aug 12 23:26:07 aah, we had a talk about our fubar wifi chip and arthrosis not being able or willing to fix the FW Aug 12 23:27:49 the wheel that squeeks the loudest... Aug 12 23:28:46 Gets those that notice it yelled at for disturbing the peace. Aug 12 23:30:35 err scottish? My text processing wetware fails on that Aug 12 23:32:02 well then maybe things will happen now Aug 12 23:33:35 prolly nothing will happen. there's not documented way even to update the fw. Not to mention arthrosis refuses to fix any errors and even more reluctant to give out any binary to update the fw Aug 12 23:34:23 www-wifi wont work Aug 12 23:35:07 doc is there a chance that i can buy a gps antenea module? Aug 12 23:35:17 my comment on that was "hey it's a module. you don't even need soldering skills to swap" Aug 12 23:35:43 Slaxxer: gta0w-internal gps antenna? Aug 12 23:35:50 02 Aug 12 23:36:05 however - finding a suitable module that will fit is interesting Aug 12 23:36:15 and has the right cable, and ... Aug 12 23:36:49 ShellEvil: there's no cable on wifi mod Aug 12 23:37:07 Slaxxer: what u talking bout?? Aug 12 23:37:22 I lost backscroll while logged out due to ISP suckyness - so I was assuming that was a response to Slaxxer's comment DocScrutinizer Aug 12 23:38:40 I'm not exactly sure about what Slaxxer is asking me actually Aug 12 23:39:31 Slaxxer: if you need a gta02-gps-antenna, I think I can help Aug 12 23:40:26 * SpeedEvil needs to get to hacking on his 01 before it rots. Aug 12 23:40:40 I want to add wifi - but I've been utterly stalled by real life. Aug 12 23:41:08 hope you find a better module ;-D Aug 12 23:41:11 yes i do Aug 12 23:42:04 Slaxxer: I have some dozen antennae here that look similar to gta02's. never tested if they are compatible Aug 12 23:42:13 but I guess they are Aug 12 23:52:44 ~botsnack Aug 12 23:52:45 thanks, DocScrutinizer Aug 12 23:53:07 good apt, at least bots still talk to me Aug 12 23:53:59 seems it's too demanding when I want to get rid of my electronics junk for free :-/ Aug 13 00:01:59 Slaxxer: contact me if you need gta02-gps-ant Aug 13 00:02:24 they're a real bargain ;-) Aug 13 00:04:11 Slaxxer: and I might even test them before you venture to pay the postage Aug 13 00:05:11 SpeedEvil: which module for gta01? Aug 13 00:06:09 DocScrutinizer: huh? Aug 13 00:06:18 oh Aug 13 00:06:35 usb zd1211 based module that fits Aug 13 00:06:50 sounds good Aug 13 00:07:10 and a hub before bluetooth Aug 13 00:07:15 zd1211 is highly sensitive, and linux drivers are ok Aug 13 00:07:30 power hog - but meh. Aug 13 00:07:33 oh, yes you need that for 01 Aug 13 00:08:30 hmmmmmmmm Aug 13 00:08:42 pull off USB connector, jam in where GPS ant was, add chip scale GPS ant, add USB hub, rewire 3.3V regulator on USB stick Aug 13 00:09:31 and what sharing ubb jack and wifi-mod via a "switch"? instead of hub? Aug 13 00:09:55 hub goes to bluetooth USB port Aug 13 00:10:05 aah, ok Aug 13 00:10:06 with bluetooth and wifi off the hub Aug 13 00:10:16 that's much better Aug 13 00:11:01 combined bt+802.11 ? Aug 13 00:11:05 no Aug 13 00:11:12 the original BT module Aug 13 00:11:20 one-chip-solution. one antenna Aug 13 00:11:37 yes - however I don't have a one-chip BT+wifi thing Aug 13 00:11:38 might even fit in where bt was Aug 13 00:11:51 hmm Aug 13 00:12:20 let me check what we planned for 03 Aug 13 00:12:25 interested? Aug 13 00:13:28 was fsckng expensive but rather cute solution Aug 13 00:13:42 hmm, but no usb afair Aug 13 00:13:50 iirc Aug 13 00:14:18 so no fit probably Aug 13 00:16:47 openmoko: 03werner * r5429 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Aug 13 00:16:47 openmoko: - gta02-core-expanded.pro: fixed path to gta02-core-expanded.lib Aug 13 00:16:47 openmoko: - moved XGTA02_WLAN_S from wlan.sch to bt.sch, like in the main schematics Aug 13 00:16:47 openmoko: - added modem.sch with the GE865 to the expanded symbols Aug 13 00:16:47 openmoko: - scripts/all-sheets: replaced WLAN with MODEM Aug 13 00:16:48 SpeedEvil: if you find a good hub chip, you may power that one from BT power, and hook wifi and bt to hub-supported power which you might be able to switch on/off on a cute hub-chip for each of the ports separately Aug 13 00:17:06 DocScrutinizer: it's a TI USB1 hub chip that's OK. Aug 13 00:17:46 It's not got power switching alas - I was going to hack that with an I2C thing or some GPIOs on the hub chip - I forget which Aug 13 00:18:28 hmm, or use spare GPIO od cpu directly Aug 13 00:18:41 possibly. Aug 13 00:26:37 SpeedEvil: http://www.edom.com.tw/vender/product/WM-BG-MR-03-v01.pdf Aug 13 00:29:43 SpeedEvil: alas no USB but SPI/SDIO and UART interface Aug 13 00:29:50 openmoko: 03werner * r5430 10/trunk/gta02-core/kicad-patches/ (5 files): - removed patches that have already made it upstream Aug 13 00:30:00 * SpeedEvil stabs his USB Aug 13 00:30:02 err Aug 13 00:30:04 ISP Aug 13 00:31:12 Yes - fair enough. And it's a nice module - which I almost certainly can't get in ones. Aug 13 00:31:25 Though I understand you may not be talking of that Aug 13 00:31:46 hmm, probably. If you won't find some consumer product that's based on it Aug 13 00:33:03 SpeedEvil: of course I am considering that, as I want to help your project, not just brag hwat a nice chip OM found ;-D Aug 13 00:33:51 openmoko: 03werner * r5431 10/trunk/gta02-core/kicad-patches/ (auto-overline-config.patch auto-overline-screen.patch): Aug 13 00:33:51 openmoko: The auto-overline idea was a very complex approach for solving a simple Aug 13 00:33:51 openmoko: problem. Worse yet, KiCad can already do this without all the complexity. Aug 13 00:33:51 openmoko: Begone ... Aug 13 00:34:12 wpwrak spamming the channel ;-P Aug 13 00:34:33 DocScrutinizer: I have all the stuff here - it'll fit - there is almost zero coding to do. Exactly zero coding if I want to live with a hardware wifi switch. :) Aug 13 00:34:54 ok.... Aug 13 00:34:55 :-) Aug 13 00:34:57 And the PCB making required is minimal, or non-existant. Aug 13 00:35:11 * SpeedEvil wants the ability to make 6 layer PCBs at home. Aug 13 00:35:13 But... Aug 13 00:35:34 so you even found a smaller replacement for he GPS-ant? Not that difficult I guess Aug 13 00:36:41 there are chip scale ones - 3*3mm or so - I have doubts of course how well it'll work - but... Aug 13 00:37:03 (Amplified of course) Aug 13 00:40:56 amazing Aug 13 00:43:40 There are even drop in whole replacement GPS modules. http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9060 forex. Aug 13 00:44:14 Those are ~$5 in moderate volume apparantly (1k) Aug 13 00:45:04 http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9131 2*7mm CSP antenna Aug 13 00:46:21 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_monarchs_of_the_British_Isles_by_cause_of_death Aug 13 00:46:23 oops **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 13 01:24:10 2009 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 13 01:36:14 2009 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 13 01:36:17 2009 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 13 01:38:14 2009 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 13 02:59:57 2009