**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 14 02:59:57 2009 Aug 14 05:28:52 anyone here using uboot? Aug 14 05:41:53 I do Aug 14 05:42:05 and well, most everybody with a FR does Aug 14 05:42:44 also have qi on it Aug 14 06:41:44 qi hurts my thumb less Aug 14 06:53:43 question how does one do iptables reverse from my neo to my laptop ? Aug 14 06:53:45 mmm Aug 14 06:54:18 d-b: iptables reverse? Aug 14 06:55:16 lindi-: yes iptables to shrae the net Aug 14 06:55:29 share * Aug 14 06:55:59 iptables -P forward accept Aug 14 06:56:09 and iptables -A postgrouing -t nat -j masquerade -s ??? Aug 14 06:56:27 same iptables you use going the other way, just swap the ip addies :) Aug 14 06:56:36 Kamping_Kaiser: yeah i tried no worky Aug 14 06:56:48 10.64.64.64 is my ppp0 Aug 14 06:57:02 I don't have my setup scripts handy, or i'd pastebin them Aug 14 06:57:18 Kamping_Kaiser: just need a few commands... Aug 14 06:57:33 sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 did that.. etc. Aug 14 06:57:52 maybe its my gateways ? / rotues / Aug 14 06:58:01 um.. Aug 14 06:58:16 Kernel IP routing table Aug 14 06:58:17 Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface Aug 14 06:58:17 10.64.64.64 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 ppp0 Aug 14 06:58:17 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 usb0 Aug 14 06:58:17 default 10.64.64.64 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 ppp0 Aug 14 06:58:33 on my laptop i have 192.168.0.202 as my default route Aug 14 06:58:38 im trying to ping 4.4.4.4 Aug 14 06:58:46 oh nm :0 its worky Aug 14 06:58:50 :) GG Aug 14 06:58:51 ! Aug 14 06:58:53 :) Aug 14 06:59:03 lulz Aug 14 06:59:18 i thinks Aug 14 08:20:44 argibuble Aug 14 08:28:03 openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5439 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/INFO: Add CC7V-T1A crystal Aug 14 09:11:41 hi, any mods to make the SD card sit better in my FreeRunner? Aug 14 09:12:02 VoltageX: sit better? what's wrong with it now? Aug 14 09:12:49 not very good contact, haven't been able to get it to mount Aug 14 09:13:06 VoltageX: i had the same without sim inserted Aug 14 09:13:21 VoltageX: so either insert sim or some mechanical equivalent. Aug 14 09:13:24 ...I don't have a SIM Aug 14 09:13:26 hmm Aug 14 09:19:20 hi, I'm preparing an online survey about open source/open design and I need a few pre-testers to try out the survey and tell me how it works Aug 14 09:19:34 is someone willing to spend roughly 5 minutes answering a few questions? Aug 14 09:24:58 root@om-gta02 ~ $ mount /media/card Aug 14 09:24:58 mount: special device /dev/mmcblk0p1 does not exist Aug 14 09:25:00 :( Aug 14 09:26:06 that's with a SIM in now, PaulFertser Aug 14 09:27:44 VoltageX: is it possible you lack partition table there? Aug 14 09:28:04 formatted the card with vfat before. Aug 14 09:28:46 VoltageX: try fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 Aug 14 09:36:37 what....[21474577.755000] mmc1: new SDIO card at address 0001 Aug 14 09:36:38 [21474595.170000] gta02_udc_command S3C2410_UDC_P_ENABLE Aug 14 09:36:38 [21474705.565000] mmc1: card 0001 removed Aug 14 09:36:38 ok, now the card is OK - the last line in dmesg is Aug 14 09:36:45 [21474577.755000] mmc1: new SDIO card at address 0001 Aug 14 09:36:45 [21474595.170000] gta02_udc_command S3C2410_UDC_P_ENABLE Aug 14 09:36:45 [21474705.565000] mmc1: card 0001 removed Aug 14 09:36:45 oops Aug 14 09:36:56 last line is new SDIO card. Aug 14 09:37:54 VoltageX: it's about wifi Aug 14 09:38:06 ? Aug 14 09:38:10 VoltageX: wlan card is sdio connected to s3c24xx-mci Aug 14 09:38:28 oh, so the sdhc card isn't detected? Aug 14 09:40:35 VoltageX: the sdhc card is connected to glamo-mci btw Aug 14 09:40:57 VoltageX: and i guess it's detected and becomes mmc0 Aug 14 09:41:02 sigh Aug 14 09:41:08 not detected then Aug 14 09:41:56 what module? Aug 14 09:43:08 the only mmc related module I can see is s3cmci.ko] Aug 14 09:43:56 VoltageX: it's statically compiled i think. Called glamo-mci Aug 14 09:44:35 consider boot from uSD Aug 14 09:44:46 no module Aug 14 09:45:08 DocScrutinizer: can't access SD now though? Aug 14 09:45:24 card borked? Aug 14 09:45:30 card fine :P Aug 14 09:46:18 I had quite some cards that threw IO error and then "vanish" from kernel's view Aug 14 09:46:41 some of those were fine with other devices Aug 14 09:46:56 VoltageX: you might want to lower the mmc frequency. Aug 14 09:47:11 well kinda. It took longer to throw error and the card didn't vanish Aug 14 09:47:28 listen to PaulFertser Aug 14 09:47:56 check logread Aug 14 09:48:08 from very beginning Aug 14 09:48:10 how do I lower the frequency? Aug 14 09:48:16 (the card is 1mth old) Aug 14 09:48:38 (old) doesn't mean a thing Aug 14 09:49:05 DocScrutinizer: ok, I'm 99% sure the card is good Aug 14 09:49:20 works in Nokia N95, Nintendo DS etc etc Aug 14 09:50:07 VoltageX: see my above note Aug 14 09:50:26 ok, what do I grep logread for? Aug 14 09:50:59 my 16G "worked" in N95, until I asked for formatting which took forever then erred out Aug 14 09:51:29 Jan 1 00:21:18 om-gta02 user.info kernel: [21474538.970000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8120 Aug 14 09:51:29 does that indicate a broken card? Aug 14 09:52:33 VoltageX: no Aug 14 09:52:45 ok, so what next guys? Aug 14 09:52:53 VoltageX: tried 'mount'? Aug 14 09:53:13 root@om-gta02 / $ mount /media/card Aug 14 09:53:13 mount: special device /dev/mmcblk0p1 does not exist Aug 14 09:53:48 so NOW logread tail Aug 14 09:54:10 Jan 1 00:41:26 om-gta02 daemon.err connmand[1277]: Element registration for /device/0012cf8f099b/000ce361a089 failed Aug 14 09:54:20 same for 4 lines. Aug 14 09:54:29 VoltageX: clock options are described in comments here: http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=blob;f=drivers/mfd/glamo/glamo-mci.c;h=acf16360cfd3d6dd0d99a11098d640194f3cef99;hb=andy-tracking Aug 14 09:55:08 I don't understand a single word of that, lol. Aug 14 09:56:19 PaulFertser: eject card, remove card, reinsert card?? Aug 14 09:56:48 VoltageX: wrong, read the comments! Aug 14 09:57:13 DocScrutinizer: that can be done with unbinding/binding glamo-mci. Aug 14 09:57:17 glamo_mci.sd_max_clk=10000000 ? Aug 14 09:57:30 * DocScrutinizer wonders ... heh exactly that Aug 14 09:57:45 PaulFertser: Aug 14 09:58:07 I'm not used to this device, I'm guessing I have to set max_clk differently but no idea how to do that. Aug 14 09:58:07 VoltageX: that's roundabout right topic, yes Aug 14 09:58:38 VoltageX: just add that string to the kernel cmdline Aug 14 09:58:55 /boot/append-GTA02? Aug 14 09:59:08 VoltageX: are you Qi user? Aug 14 09:59:13 shr Aug 14 09:59:13 Qi? Aug 14 09:59:22 bootloader Aug 14 09:59:23 VoltageX: if you boot from NAND, you have no good way to edit kernel cmdline with Qi. Aug 14 09:59:43 have You tested, if there is any partition on this card? in fstab it is assumed, that there will be created first partition Aug 14 10:00:03 but it is still possible not to create any Aug 14 10:00:16 VoltageX: did you change bootloader to Qi, or are U using uBoot? Aug 14 10:00:21 one vfat partition Aug 14 10:00:22 and work with that card Aug 14 10:00:27 uBiit. Aug 14 10:00:47 uBoot* Aug 14 10:01:34 tomcatek: sure? my uSD often comes floppy-formated, so no partition at all Aug 14 10:02:04 even cfdisk borks on that when trying to read part-tab Aug 14 10:02:23 but it's mounted as vfat flawlessly nevertheless Aug 14 10:02:35 no luck with glamo_mci.sd_max_clk=10000000 Aug 14 10:02:36 I'm using uSD without any partition Aug 14 10:03:06 so it just is a matter of removing "p1" from fstab line Aug 14 10:03:14 and it will be mounted Aug 14 10:04:08 VoltageX: try mounting mmcblock0 Aug 14 10:04:19 DocScrutinizer: no luck. Aug 14 10:05:00 less -f /dev/mmcblock0 Aug 14 10:05:07 there's no way to change max_clk at runtime? Aug 14 10:05:27 tru mounting /dev/mmcblk0 Aug 14 10:05:38 *try Aug 14 10:05:57 mount: special device /dev/mmcblk0 does not exist Aug 14 10:06:15 what devices do You have in /dev? Aug 14 10:06:36 starting with mmc Aug 14 10:06:38 ls -l /dev/mmcblk0 Aug 14 10:07:10 http://pastebin.com/m483d0680 Aug 14 10:07:20 VoltageX: how did you change kernel command line? Aug 14 10:07:44 /boot/GTA02-append Aug 14 10:07:58 VoltageX: u-boot doesn't give a shit about that Aug 14 10:08:04 f*** Aug 14 10:08:05 VoltageX: you can check with cat /proc/cmdline Aug 14 10:08:07 how then? Aug 14 10:08:33 no glamo parameter Aug 14 10:10:37 PaulFertser: no sysfs node? Aug 14 10:12:49 so, how to add the boot parameter? Aug 14 10:14:57 VoltageX: I don't dare to recommend to you u-boot-utils, as it's new as of yesterday and aiui completely untested Aug 14 10:16:10 rargh. Aug 14 10:16:14 if you feel venturous the 'opkg install u-boot-utils; fw_printenv; fw_setenv bla=fooo Aug 14 10:16:25 fine. Aug 14 10:17:10 classic way would be to log in to u-boot console, and edit env there. See wiki Aug 14 10:17:41 PaulFertser: is there no sysfs node? Aug 14 10:18:44 openmoko: 03werner * r5440 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (17 files in 2 dirs): Aug 14 10:18:44 openmoko: - added rounded pads Aug 14 10:18:44 openmoko: - initialize item_widget to NULL if not showing items or bad things happen Aug 14 10:23:28 hi, sorry booted Linux now, what was the package for the uboot settings? Aug 14 10:24:57 u-boot-utils Aug 14 10:27:35 can't find package? Aug 14 10:37:17 riiight Aug 14 10:38:43 u-boot-utils is where? Aug 14 10:39:23 in shr feed Aug 14 10:39:45 opkg update; opkg install u-boot-utils Aug 14 10:40:03 k Aug 14 10:40:18 it's very new? Aug 14 10:40:30 yesterday. told ya Aug 14 10:42:12 VoltageX_: be aware messing with uboot env settings is kinda dangerous. No simple way to restore to defaults if you screwed things Aug 14 10:43:45 VoltageX_: maybe you should do a backup of env partition via dfu-util Aug 14 10:45:21 VoltageX_: but tbh I don't think your approach is the right vector to tackle that issue. Aug 14 10:45:37 you suggest booting from SD? Aug 14 10:47:29 DocScrutinizer: there's iirc Aug 14 10:47:50 I'd comment out the fstab line that causes mount of uSD on boot, then check what happens when you mount it "by hand" first time. watch logread. Find out about exact failure mode. THEN *maybe* change clock (even then I think you could do that runtime, not via kernel cmdline) Aug 14 10:48:16 DocScrutinizer: VoltageX_ /sys/module/glamo_mci/parameters/ Aug 14 10:48:25 I already pasted the last line of logread Aug 14 10:48:30 hmmm Aug 14 10:48:39 see PaulFertser "there's iirc" (sysfs node to tweak clock runtime) Aug 14 10:49:03 VoltageX_: last line? lol Aug 14 10:49:36 last 4 lines were the same Aug 14 10:50:20 you need to check at least all the lines since you issued the mount cmd. and this is true for *first* mount only. So first of all stop mounting the uSD during boot Aug 14 10:50:34 done, rebooting Aug 14 10:50:36 OR read *complete* logread Aug 14 10:51:04 VoltageX_: do you /ignore PaulFertser ?? Aug 14 10:51:30 if you don't listen to him, we can't help you Aug 14 10:51:32 what? Aug 14 10:51:47 I commented the mount of uSD Aug 14 10:52:27 VoltageX_: :) Aug 14 10:52:40 DocScrutinizer: /sys/module/glamo_mci/parameters/ for runtime tweaking Aug 14 10:52:44 nothing written in logread when mounting by hand Aug 14 10:53:01 so next: scrutinize your logread for any msgs about /dev and mmc etc Aug 14 10:53:35 anyway, have to run. sorry Aug 14 10:53:37 cya Aug 14 10:53:39 cya Aug 14 10:55:15 VoltageX_: your best bet is using a working uSD and learn how things should look like (in logread, mount, etc) then compare to the non-working Aug 14 10:57:07 I'll try a different card, we'll see Aug 14 10:57:13 VoltageX_: i really advice you to try with lowered sd clock. Aug 14 10:57:34 no one said to *lower* the clock! Aug 14 10:57:38 what number? Aug 14 11:00:34 I really advice to check if there's any uSD in there, and if it's correctly seated Aug 14 11:00:41 ;-) Aug 14 11:01:24 VoltageX_: set max sd clock frequency to at most 10MHz Aug 14 11:01:41 VoltageX_: pastebin your whole dmesg too. Aug 14 11:01:42 gmesg | grep mmc ? Aug 14 11:02:06 DocScrutinizer: why is TA not good enough to estimate distance to the BS? Aug 14 11:02:26 huh, it is Aug 14 11:03:13 s/dmesg/logread/ Aug 14 11:03:34 whoa, *lots* of errors with a new SD card Aug 14 11:04:50 ok, better Aug 14 11:04:58 DocScrutinizer: i remember some talks about TA and openbmap logging and triangulating etc... Aug 14 11:05:03 now I have a mmcblk0, with a bad superblock Aug 14 11:05:55 PaulFertser: I was the guy to point out usefulnes of TA Aug 14 11:07:09 DocScrutinizer: oh, you have to run! Aug 14 11:07:15 DocScrutinizer: sorry, cya :) Aug 14 11:07:34 PaulFertser: see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-April/002434.html, http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-June/002987.html Aug 14 11:08:33 http://pastebin.com/mbcda7fd Aug 14 11:12:28 VoltageX_: ok, ensure good electrical connection to you card and try to lower the clock Aug 14 11:14:12 PaulFertse: to 10000? Aug 14 11:14:39 VoltageX_: MHz Aug 14 11:14:47 VoltageX_: not kHz Aug 14 11:15:22 sorry, what number? Aug 14 11:15:27 1000? Aug 14 11:15:48 VoltageX_: 10^7 Aug 14 11:16:46 now root@om-gta02 /sys/module/glamo_mci/parameters $ fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 Aug 14 11:16:46 Unable to read /dev/mmcblk0 Aug 14 11:18:16 VoltageX_: have you changed the freq? It should work immediately runtime. If 10^7 is too much, try 10^6 Aug 14 11:23:50 100+ lines of errors from glamo now that I reseated the card Aug 14 11:23:57 card is in nicely, with SIM on top. Aug 14 11:26:08 no good with 10^6 Aug 14 11:27:02 openmoko: 03werner * r5441 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/PACKAGES: A package dictionary. Aug 14 11:32:39 openmoko: 03werner * r5442 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/PACKAGES: Added SON1408-3 aka MFPAK. Aug 14 11:34:13 I wonder what to do now. Aug 14 11:34:49 VoltageX_: is it the new device you use? Do you have 512Mb card that usually comes with that? Aug 14 11:35:04 :| a 512mb card came with that? Aug 14 11:35:13 A6 revision... Aug 14 11:36:15 I've tried 2 8gb uSD cards, both Sandisk class 4 Aug 14 11:36:28 one is not detected, one generates lots of errors. Aug 14 11:37:19 VoltageX_: are the pins clean enough? No grease/whatever? Aug 14 11:37:28 yeah it's all clean Aug 14 11:40:38 VoltageX_: no idea then :( Aug 14 11:40:49 :( Aug 14 11:40:56 hardware problem? Aug 14 11:44:47 VoltageX_: try the 512MB uSD that came with your FR Aug 14 11:45:08 DocScrutinizer: I didn't get one of those... Aug 14 11:47:01 VoltageX_:Might it be a compability problem, are the two sandisk cards of the exactly same type? Aug 14 11:47:14 yes. Aug 14 11:47:17 VoltageX_: try different brand of uSD then, possibly a 1GB class2 Aug 14 11:48:36 or a nokia 16GB, works great here ;-) Aug 14 11:48:52 DocScrutinizer: i wonder if my operator should tell me what cell BC messages they have Aug 14 11:49:29 usually phones have a "index", but beware it's worth nottin Aug 14 11:49:41 Index? Aug 14 11:49:54 only way: try enable channel for channel Aug 14 11:50:15 I did at+cscb=0,"0-9999","" Aug 14 11:50:39 No idea how frameworkd will show those Aug 14 11:50:41 no idea for calypso crap Aug 14 11:51:01 same for fso Aug 14 11:51:28 CB not yet implemented aiui Aug 14 11:51:40 DocScrutinizer: You got a 16GB uSD card in your FR? ...drool... Aug 14 11:52:38 yo, and I got my manpages on that since yesterday ;-P Aug 14 11:52:39 openmoko: 03werner * r5443 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/PACKAGES: Added SC-89-6. Aug 14 11:53:36 Daramarak: 16GB uSD is $60AUD Aug 14 11:53:46 opkg install man man-pages Aug 14 11:54:31 ask your Nokia dealer. Mine was amazingly reasonably priced Aug 14 11:54:47 really competitive Aug 14 12:07:43 DocScrutinizer: I found one for 500NOK = 82$ Anyway my birthday is coming up, and guess what I am going to buy myself... Aug 14 12:08:24 rage Aug 14 12:08:32 well mine was 50€ Aug 14 12:08:37 I'll find a friend who can check the hardware here. Aug 14 12:09:18 VoltageX_: find a friend with a different brand of uSD Aug 14 12:09:54 DocScrutinizer: Norway doesn't always have the cheepest hardware. But at least my doctor is free :) Aug 14 12:10:51 DocScrutinizer: 1gb no name brand (nokia?) Aug 14 12:11:13 I've tried 2x 8gb and this 1gb Aug 14 12:11:23 will try 16GB Kingston when it gets here Aug 14 12:11:32 until then, back to my Nokia N95 :P Aug 14 13:17:01 http://www.edimax.co.uk/en/support_detail.php?pd_id=280&pl1_id=1&pl2_id=44 - teeny n wifi - + linux. /me ponders for gta01 Aug 14 13:22:20 SpeedEvil: how are you going to provide power? Aug 14 13:24:12 Again - same solution - strip out 3.3V regulator Aug 14 13:24:39 I've found indications that this chipset supports suspend OK Aug 14 13:25:12 I don't know if it supports the powersaving protocol that I've forgotten the name of that powers down the entire device for most of the time Aug 14 13:29:15 SpeedEvil: hm, looks like the drivers are on its way upstream, right? But does it support monitor mode and injection? Aug 14 13:30:51 dunno - only just saw it in my local cheap PC parts e-store - and was wondering Aug 14 13:34:39 SpeedEvil: "The rtxxxx vendor drivers are considered a dead end by the Aug 14 13:34:39 linux-wireless developers (just try to read the code and you would now Aug 14 13:34:39 why), the plan is to get rt2800pci and rt2800usb into shape and get Aug 14 13:34:56 SpeedEvil: That's from http://www.linux-archive.org/fedora-development/347703-rt2860-driver-fc11-2.html and some other stuff about that drivers there Aug 14 13:38:10 fuck the stupid vendors :( Aug 14 13:38:31 yeah. Still - even broken source is better than none. Aug 14 13:38:47 In hte absence of nice register documents/... Aug 14 14:39:20 openmoko: 03werner * r5444 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/kicad-wishlist: Aug 14 14:39:20 openmoko: - kicad-wishlist: relative paths work now - removed item Aug 14 14:39:20 openmoko: - kicad-wishlist: printing issues may no longer exist (and are less urgent, Aug 14 14:39:20 openmoko: now that plotting has gotten so much better) Aug 14 15:42:03 hi Aug 14 15:43:38 wassup Aug 14 15:53:23 openmoko: 03werner * r5445 10/trunk/eda/fped/inst.c: Aug 14 15:53:23 openmoko: - when selecting an item in the canvas, we now check that the underlying object Aug 14 15:53:23 openmoko: is still connected. This prevents surprises when making extensive changes Aug 14 15:53:23 openmoko: during instantiation failure. Aug 14 16:31:33 c/c Aug 14 16:46:37 hi, is freerunner a useful gps-device for openstreetmap? Aug 14 16:49:13 yes, as far as the battery goes Aug 14 16:49:20 blan: maybe depends on how you mean useful Aug 14 16:50:20 Anyone know if anyone in europe sells A7 / A6 with buzz fix? Aug 14 16:50:23 blan: both tangogps and navit use OSM Aug 14 16:56:21 Undrwater, okay thanks Aug 14 17:42:00 PaulFertser: just now in public tv is news about imigrants from georgia Aug 14 17:43:33 PaulFertser: some woman said something like that: "We emigrated when Russia atacked us, we were scared they can do that again" (poor translation) Aug 14 17:44:23 dos1: that's crap Aug 14 17:44:36 Problem there is that citezens may have a poor grasp of what's going on in any conflict Aug 14 17:44:41 dos1: brain-fucking in georgia is too high Aug 14 17:45:22 Q-Master: well, i said that about some discussion which was there few days ago. PaulFertser asked how that conflict is presented in mass-media in other countries Aug 14 17:45:50 ah. ok Aug 14 17:46:12 mass media is 1 component of that brain fucking process. 8) Aug 14 18:10:38 narf. Aug 14 18:10:50 no python-elementary in debian Aug 14 18:24:13 is there a soundrecorder for shr? Aug 14 18:27:00 tes Aug 14 18:27:01 er Aug 14 18:27:02 yes Aug 14 18:31:07 what's it called? Aug 14 18:31:52 ndnihil, which one? Aug 14 18:40:48 dictator Aug 14 18:40:53 opkg.org Aug 14 18:42:02 i hope it's fixed :) Aug 14 18:42:13 worked for me last time I tried it Aug 14 18:43:30 did you record to sd? Aug 14 18:43:57 dont recall Aug 14 18:44:35 ok...last time i used it, it only recorded 1/2 of what i was trying to record Aug 14 18:49:52 thanks ndnihil Aug 14 18:49:59 np Aug 14 19:33:55 dos1: both Georgian and Russian mass-media are really after brain-washing, i believe. Aug 14 19:35:12 And the rest of the media are picking one side or the other - with little actual internal knowledge often. Aug 14 19:35:48 I do wonder what happens when cameraphones and satellite internets and stuff gets even cheaper. Aug 14 19:41:08 (OT) Guys, i've recently had a talk with my co-worker about one ex-scientific organisation we currently collaborate with on some stuff. He mentioned there're too many women in there. Being a strong believer in gender equality, i immediately asked: "Hey, what's wrong with that?" His answer was: "Well, have you ever seen a good female engineer?" And i must admit i haven't. Neither in RL, nor in free software community. I rarely see women among ordinar Aug 14 19:41:14 ... contributors but that's all about it. WTF? :( Aug 14 19:47:26 Is somebody running a FreeNode server on my laptop or what? :D Aug 14 20:15:54 that may be changing Aug 14 20:18:07 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r0b60adf5382c 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sqlite_contacts.py: opimd: SQLite-Contacts: fix typo in Department field, which may cause problems when editing Aug 14 20:18:55 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r5378e404d0c6 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sqlite_contacts.py: Merge branch 'master' into dos/opimd-tracking Aug 14 21:18:10 ahhh. it's driving me nuts Aug 14 21:18:19 i just want to flash android Aug 14 21:18:36 no! don't say that! they'll come! Aug 14 21:18:54 but nano is segfaulting, so i have no editor on the phone Aug 14 21:18:54 wlan isn't working because of that Aug 14 21:19:06 usb wouldn't connect on my laptop, when i have wlan on Aug 14 21:19:11 it's madness Aug 14 21:19:18 try cat >> /path/to/file << "EOF" Aug 14 21:19:28 rebooting... Aug 14 21:20:25 rooly: Oh fuck. Nano and android! Fossi, get the hell out of here! Aug 14 21:20:35 hah Aug 14 21:20:39 * rooly snickers Aug 14 21:20:52 yeah, we don't need no stinkin text *editors* Aug 14 21:20:55 * PaulFertser _really_ dislikes "nano" Aug 14 21:21:01 cat and echo all the way, yo! Aug 14 21:21:15 nano for the nano-minded ;) Aug 14 21:21:23 * quatrox loves vim Aug 14 21:21:28 i prefer pico anyway Aug 14 21:21:30 PaulFertser: please don't tell me you use emacs ? Aug 14 21:21:41 Bert_2: i use both vim and emacs. Aug 14 21:21:53 PaulFertser: I very much dislike emacs Aug 14 21:22:05 SOOOooooo Aug 14 21:22:16 pico has been generally replaced by nano rooly (the pico command is a symlink to nano nowadays) Aug 14 21:22:21 Bert_2: well, that's a matter of taste but tell me how do you use all those GNU readline-integrated apps? Aug 14 21:22:23 what's the likelihood of running winxp in qemu on the FR Aug 14 21:22:26 Bert_2: i know this Aug 14 21:22:29 'twas the joke Aug 14 21:22:59 Bert_2: i started emacs after i got familiar with the keybindings i had to learn anyway (to use bash and friends effectively). Aug 14 21:23:01 rooly: sorry, bit tired, not able to get humor Aug 14 21:23:30 PaulFertser: the keybindings are the problem usually (I have the same issue with vi, but vi feels better) Aug 14 21:23:36 * rooly pretty much sticks to ctrl-d and shift-insert Aug 14 21:23:48 oh, and ctrl-c Aug 14 21:23:51 Bert_2: how come? You can switch readline to vi-keybindings why don't you do that? Aug 14 21:23:54 i hate typing :wq! Aug 14 21:24:04 especially in ksh Aug 14 21:24:04 emacs is a great OS, all it needs is a decent text editor Aug 14 21:24:21 ndnihil: very suttle Aug 14 21:24:23 *subtle Aug 14 21:24:30 ndnihil: it has vim mode if you prefer "modal" editing. Aug 14 21:24:35 reboot Aug 14 21:24:43 robeet! Aug 14 21:24:59 PaulFertser: never took the time to learn anything concerning it, usually just use nano and otherwise gedit Aug 14 21:25:09 Fossi: repent! Aug 14 21:25:10 hey Aug 14 21:25:13 all of you Aug 14 21:25:15 http://xkcd.com/378/ Aug 14 21:25:26 Bert_2: what about GNU readline??? Aug 14 21:26:46 PaulFertser: I thought that was a lib Aug 14 21:27:12 Bert_2: it is. Do you use the apps employing that lib so rarely that you don't need keybindings? Aug 14 21:27:56 PaulFertser: I stick to the simple keybindings that every app has and those of nano Aug 14 21:28:03 somehow I have been able to work that way Aug 14 21:28:09 although I don't know how exactly Aug 14 21:28:18 Bert_2: how to delete a word after the cursor? Aug 14 21:28:33 use delete key :P Aug 14 21:28:36 yeah Aug 14 21:28:40 i was bout to say Aug 14 21:28:49 Bert_2: how to move to the next word in line? Aug 14 21:28:55 arrow Aug 14 21:28:57 use arrow key Aug 14 21:29:03 lol Aug 14 21:29:08 Bert_2: what about several words? Aug 14 21:29:14 end Aug 14 21:29:21 arrows + home + end Aug 14 21:29:58 * Bert_2 hates preparing his laptop, which is as powerful as his moko, for vacation Aug 14 21:29:59