**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 20 02:59:57 2009 Aug 20 02:59:58 what nm has and what fso based apps could use somehow is a apn database Aug 20 03:00:21 means one can say 'germany, eplus' and it asks 'which of these 2 types of contract did you sign-' Aug 20 03:00:43 and knows password, apn settings etc itself (if defaults make sense) Aug 20 03:01:38 since ubuntu 9.04 its easier to do 3g with a notebook than with a mobile *sigh* Aug 20 03:04:20 roh I thought NM was working on an APN database Aug 20 03:04:47 actually, I seem to have one available now Aug 20 03:05:00 when I use the new "add a mobile connection" wizard, I get what you describe. Aug 20 03:08:08 candrews yes.. they got one. so we should use the same db Aug 20 03:08:47 I couldn't agree more. Duplication is the bane of my existance... I know too many people with an infatuation for copy/paste *sigh* Aug 20 03:10:52 roh: your queation "you know...?" was addressed at me? Aug 20 03:25:28 doc|home: yes Aug 20 03:26:22 roh: never heard of. Aug 20 03:27:09 roh: should I try to change this? Aug 20 03:27:57 dunno. he asked for more mediawiki access. Aug 20 03:28:19 just try to find out if i want to give him perms to break the sidebar ;) Aug 20 03:28:54 you wouldnt have by any means experience with jtag on mips cpus? Aug 20 03:28:59 i wonder if i should go play video games or try to get some sleep Aug 20 03:29:10 oh yes, that's a good idea for sure. Sidebar can't get any worse Aug 20 03:29:49 no recent experience, no. Sorry Aug 20 03:30:05 and your opinion for me, doc? Aug 20 03:30:22 rooly: huh? Aug 20 03:30:33 hm. well.. if anybody want to step up taking some responsibility for stuff like the mediawiki.. speak up ;) Aug 20 03:30:56 well, you gave your opinions for every other question, just wanted to know what you think i should do Aug 20 03:31:13 rooly 'get a life' *ducks* Aug 20 03:31:26 nah, i think i'll stick to the one i've got... Aug 20 03:31:45 altho i have a pretty bad habit of not having a girl around Aug 20 03:31:57 hmm, I really don't get the meaning of your request Aug 20 03:32:08 sleep or playstation Aug 20 03:32:08 hm.. well.. youre ip is in arin, so its not that bad Aug 20 03:32:18 (its 5:30 am here) Aug 20 03:32:23 arin? where is that Aug 20 03:32:46 thats the guys for 'americas' handing out ipspace assignments Aug 20 03:32:53 in europe thats ripe Aug 20 03:33:06 ic Aug 20 03:33:18 makes sense Aug 20 03:33:26 and india? Aug 20 03:34:19 apnic Aug 20 03:34:29 ok Aug 20 03:34:40 btw, what are ya'll opinions on the necesity of ipv6 Aug 20 03:35:10 not much of a question... we got no choice. and its good that we can kill nat Aug 20 03:35:25 nothing more senseless than that Aug 20 03:35:33 (nat) Aug 20 03:35:54 i suppose you're right Aug 20 03:36:03 yeah, especially the stupid braindamaged ones Aug 20 03:36:18 but is it worth giving each person their own personally identifiable ip? Aug 20 03:36:27 no nat doesnt mean one cannot do packet filtering. it even gets easier without that stupid lookup tables and stateful shit Aug 20 03:36:30 or would it be better to have dynamic ones Aug 20 03:36:47 Note to self: never drink pop with an empty stomach. :P Hi2u stomach ache. :( Aug 20 03:36:57 lol, brolin. Aug 20 03:37:10 rooly doesnt make sense. i got so many devices i need whole subnets anyway Aug 20 03:37:11 meh, my arins cokes don't do that Aug 20 03:37:40 rooly usually on v6 you get a /48 ro /64 subnet per isp accesspoint and can do what you want from there. Aug 20 03:37:53 more ips than you got parts in all your devices Aug 20 03:38:37 rooly: arins cokes? Aug 20 03:38:39 prolly more than one got in atoms or so ;) Aug 20 03:38:41 meaning one basically gets a whole subnet of personally identifiable addresses Aug 20 03:39:15 rooly not neccessarily. v6 doesnt say anything about matchting that up. think of it like dhcp Aug 20 03:39:37 dhcp.. i mean the v6-address-autoconfiguration Aug 20 03:40:14 Does the FR delete call history when switching SIMs? Aug 20 03:40:21 brolin: no Aug 20 03:40:27 call history is not stored on sim Aug 20 03:40:57 only phone books and up to 30 sms Aug 20 03:41:03 woohoo, the temp in my room might actually drop below 25°C slowly now. Might take a nap :) Aug 20 03:41:38 hey, DocScrutinizer, wouldn't it be possible to...turn something off? Aug 20 03:42:10 unless you live in the Mediterranean Aug 20 03:42:20 turn of that fsckng meteo high called linda Aug 20 03:42:54 i'll be honest, i have no idea what the hell you just said Aug 20 03:43:03 outside is actually 4C below room temp. but the walls sore the day's heat Aug 20 03:43:19 open a window? Aug 20 03:43:37 all open wide Aug 20 03:43:41 door? Aug 20 03:44:08 let in the hot air from stairway? noooooooooooooooooo Aug 20 03:44:09 ACTION just discovered today that my Nokia 6103b deletes my call history when switching SIMs. I bought 3 used (expired) SIMs so I can still use my Nokia 6103b after I move my Speak Out Wireless SIM to my FR. I tested 1 of the used SIMs in my Nokia 6103b at the SIM seller's home to make sure my Nokia 6103b would recognise the SIM. After I put my Speak Out Wireless SIM back in my Nokia 6103b, I discovered my call history had been dele Aug 20 03:44:14 ceiling fans going Aug 20 03:44:34 ~weather EDDN Aug 20 03:44:37 Nuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2009.08.20 0320 UTC; Dew Point: 57 F (14 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.18 in. Hg (1022 hPa); Relative Humidity: 82%; Temperature: 62 F (17 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the ESE (110 degrees) at 6 MPH (5 KT) Aug 20 03:44:58 +4 for downtown Aug 20 03:45:27 so it's 70F outside your door Aug 20 03:45:34 that makes it what, like 80 inside? Aug 20 03:45:47 ~25 like you said Aug 20 03:45:58 's f'ing hot Aug 20 03:46:04 but a little moving air will cool it right down Aug 20 03:46:08 turn on some fans Aug 20 03:46:13 if'n ya got any Aug 20 03:48:13 Is this normal for GSM phones? Until I bought the 3 used SIMs, the only SIM I had was my active Speak Out Wireless one, so I never tried changing the SIM in my phone, only booting with no SIM. Aug 20 03:53:02 This female peer I messaged on Zoosk added me as a friend on Facebook. Does that mean she likes me? :) Aug 20 03:53:58 err Aug 20 03:54:00 not likely Aug 20 03:54:19 funny i use that word, aint it Aug 20 03:54:31 anywho, i just read on the mailing list that the gta02 can't charge a bl-5c Aug 20 03:54:40 then am i a special case where it does work? Aug 20 03:55:17 no, just the ml is wrong Aug 20 03:56:00 cause i can't even count the times i charged all my spare nokia batteries using the FR Aug 20 03:57:25 sure. see bat questions and answers page on wiki Aug 20 03:57:40 * rooly sighs Aug 20 03:57:40 it's a little bit more accurate ;-) Aug 20 03:57:46 's bed time anyway Aug 20 03:57:53 i know Aug 20 03:58:04 i'll go make some tea and some ramen and play ps3 for a little while Aug 20 03:58:06 then head to bed Aug 20 03:58:11 should be much fun Aug 20 03:58:14 night night Aug 20 04:00:40 rooly: not likely Tamara likes me, or not likely my Nokia 6103b's behaviour is normal for GSM phones? I think you meant the former. :( Aug 20 04:01:06 i actually meant both now that you specify Aug 20 04:01:16 not likely to the not normal for gsm phones Aug 20 04:01:24 and not likely for her liking you Aug 20 04:01:31 facebook is a social networking site Aug 20 04:01:34 not a dating site Aug 20 04:01:56 's a big difference Aug 20 04:01:58 anyway Aug 20 04:02:01 i really am getting out Aug 20 04:02:02 nn Aug 20 04:03:05 rooly: I know, but she added me as a friend on Facebook after I messaged her on Zoosk, which /is/ a dating site. Aug 20 04:04:27 * brolin still has a stomach ache. :( Aug 20 04:37:01 Networking is completely FUBAR. Aug 20 04:39:51 What the heck is this thing's problem?! Routing tables are good, IPs are set Aug 20 04:40:06 Won't connect over USB or Wifi. Aug 20 04:40:09 WTH. Aug 20 04:43:01 ahhhh Aug 20 04:43:32 latest shr-u? Aug 20 04:43:48 Not latest, but SHR-U. Aug 20 04:44:13 ima opkg-cl upgrade Aug 20 04:44:47 Latest SHR-U is working these days? Aug 20 04:45:23 Not that it matters, my internet is such epic crap that doing opkg-cl upgrade would take all week, assuming the imbecile thing would connect to the internet at all. Aug 20 04:45:24 080809 Aug 20 04:45:32 Which it won't. Aug 20 04:46:16 time to rebuild? Aug 20 04:46:30 Reflash? Aug 20 04:47:13 which did u put on? Aug 20 04:47:54 IDK, how do I see? Aug 20 04:47:56 Is there a way? Aug 20 04:48:14 is it /etc/version? Aug 20 04:49:59 are we using reiserfs? Aug 20 04:50:09 Slaxxer: 200908081754 Aug 20 04:50:27 Uhh, I don't think so... Aug 20 04:50:42 Looks like jffs2 Aug 20 04:51:00 yea Aug 20 04:51:36 OK, disconnected wifi and it allowed me to use USB. Aug 20 04:51:38 you probably want use jffs2 for NAND Aug 20 04:51:40 Idiot thing, it should use it anyways. Aug 20 04:51:46 i noticed in the upgradeing process there is a reiserfs module Aug 20 04:52:02 for uSD, ext2/3 might be a good choice Aug 20 04:52:06 Yeah, it's ext3 on the card. Aug 20 04:53:33 (reiser) you are free to use reiser on any auxillary storage, either uSD partition or USB Aug 20 04:54:16 or loopback ;-) Aug 20 04:54:18 Whatever daemon is supposed to set the power LED for charging is broken. Aug 20 04:54:29 y Aug 20 04:54:49 aah? Aug 20 04:54:54 ooo sorry Aug 20 04:55:02 is it? not here Aug 20 04:55:14 i was answering an upgrade ? an missed Aug 20 04:56:03 And I'm sick of vala-terminal not sourcing /etc/profile, I have no idea why not, but it's seriously ticking me off. Aug 20 04:56:51 All my aliases to minimize typing on the virtual keyboard, my colored prompt, the mess of it... Not set. Aug 20 04:56:59 Digital-Pioneer: are you sure that's vala and not busybox-shell that's doing that? Aug 20 04:57:19 * DocScrutinizer HATES BUSYBOX! Aug 20 04:57:40 DocScrutinizer: Hear hear. Aug 20 04:57:52 It better not be busybox, I have /bin/sh linked to bash. Aug 20 04:58:01 opkg install bash ;-) Aug 20 04:58:12 I have bash. Aug 20 04:58:40 opkk install coreutils find-utils... Aug 20 04:59:01 Digital-Pioneer: bash should source profile Aug 20 04:59:06 SHR-U used to work really well... IDK what happened, but it's been solid crap for about a month now. I'm about ready to bury my FR in the wall across the room at high velocity. Aug 20 04:59:18 DocScrutinizer: Hence my consternation. Aug 20 04:59:24 whatever terminad does just run a shell Aug 20 05:00:44 a freshly installed 0808 works quite normally here Aug 20 05:01:03 before there was lots of flaws for a months or more Aug 20 05:02:04 anyway, gn8 Aug 20 05:04:43 Digital-Pioneer: check the other shell init scripts. I think profile might just be sorced there somewhere (usually) Aug 20 05:05:18 DocScrutinizer: It works fine from SSH, just not vala-term. Aug 20 05:05:30 duh Aug 20 05:05:31 That's the problem. Aug 20 05:05:33 Now, /bin/sh -> bash Aug 20 05:05:46 And I edited my shell in /etc/passwd to be /bin/bash too. Aug 20 05:06:11 strange Aug 20 05:06:33 couldn't imagine how that may happen Aug 20 05:06:44 well, cya Aug 20 05:06:56 * DocScrutinizer ->nap Aug 20 05:14:42 openmoko: 03werner * r5491 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ (STATUS ecn0015.txt ecn0031.txt): Aug 20 05:14:42 openmoko: - ECN0031 (codec interrupt): added details of the conversion Aug 20 05:14:42 openmoko: - ECN0031: moved to "Discuss" Aug 20 05:14:42 openmoko: - ECN0015 (Calypso backdoor removal): we remove(d) R4405, not R4408 Aug 20 05:14:42 openmoko: - ECN0015: "to do", removal of remaining bits, has been done as well Aug 20 05:14:45 openmoko: - ECN0015: clarified that R4405/7 aren't dead yet, just 0R. Aug 20 05:15:11 * Digital-Pioneer gets ticked off figuring out what the problem is and edits vala-term's desktop file, appends -e ". /etc/profile;clear" to exec line. Aug 20 05:17:15 login shell? Aug 20 05:17:43 Login shell? Aug 20 05:18:18 If I run vala-term from SSH, it works correctly. But that could be inheritance, perhaps? Aug 20 05:18:30 or, if [$TERM -ne foo], then... ? Aug 20 05:19:33 Well, my dirty edit the desktop file hack works. Aug 20 05:20:14 $TERM == xterm Aug 20 05:20:35 Same in SSH. Aug 20 05:21:00 How you can have xterm in an SSH session... I won't ask. Aug 20 05:21:53 wow Aug 20 05:22:09 opkg-cl upgrade Aug 20 05:23:49 opkg upgrade it is then. Aug 20 05:24:13 Fast track to a broken OS, probably... Oh well, I'm beyond caring. Aug 20 05:27:12 wifi hooked up dhcp Aug 20 05:27:25 mokoconnect Aug 20 05:27:56 nope Aug 20 05:32:51 Well, I'm gonna let this thing upgrade overnight. It'll probably take it at least that long. Aug 20 05:33:22 So GN all. Aug 20 06:31:51 My FR is locked up after I flashed the uImage. :( Aug 20 06:32:13 Do I have to remove the battery? Aug 20 06:35:17 how is it locked up? Aug 20 06:42:10 tomcatek: none of the buttons makes the screen change. I cannot make it turn off. Aug 20 06:42:33 can You log via ssh? Aug 20 06:43:15 Can you even do that while the FR is running U-Boot? Aug 20 06:43:26 heh Aug 20 06:43:38 there You are... Aug 20 06:44:03 did You got info, that flashing wos over with hsuccess? Aug 20 06:45:42 tomcatek: Yes, dfu-util.exe said: Aug 20 06:45:44 Starting download: [##################################################] finished! Aug 20 06:45:47 state(2) = dfuIDLE, status(0) = No error condition is present Aug 20 06:45:50 Done! Aug 20 06:45:52 Resetting USB to switch back to runtime mode Aug 20 06:46:53 so it should work Aug 20 06:47:02 You can try rebootin Aug 20 06:47:03 g Aug 20 06:47:40 brolin: just pull the battery and disconnect from usb. Aug 20 06:48:30 This is why reset switches are useful. :P Aug 20 06:49:08 brolin: more mechanical parts == more points of failure. Pulling battery is easy and convenient. Aug 20 06:49:24 brolin: After flashing, it should leave you in the NOR uboot menu. Aug 20 06:49:48 brolin: You can boot, reboot, shut down, W/E from there. Aug 20 06:50:11 after all, how often do you reflash? *evil grin* Aug 20 06:50:38 it depends how often "opkg upgrade" kills Your phone ;] Aug 20 06:51:00 Kero: At least 200 MHz. Aug 20 06:52:12 PaulFertser: pressing a reset switch is much easier and more convenient than opening the FR and removing the battery. :P The CPU has a reset line, so why not connect a switch to it? Aug 20 06:53:30 brolin: Why bother? The switch would have to be inside to prevent accidental triggering, and once you've opened the case, why not just pull the battery? Aug 20 06:53:46 Digital-Pioneer: I know, but I cannot make the NOR uboot screen change nor can I make the FR turn off. Aug 20 06:54:23 OR you could have a button that is sunken into the case, but then you have to find something small and pointy to toggle it. Aug 20 06:54:45 brolin: Odd. Aux and power buttons have no effect? Aug 20 06:55:01 Digital-Pioneer: Correct, they have no effect. Aug 20 06:55:21 brolin: Pull the battery, unplug USB. :) Aug 20 06:56:14 Anyways, I am now AFK. Later, all Aug 20 06:56:29 Digital-Pioneer: That (sunken, I use the tip of a pen to press it) is how Asus designed the reset switches on the Asus ATX minitower cases we have at work. Aug 20 06:58:18 Without a reset switch, only cold boots are possible if you cannot use software to reboot. Software can behave differently between cold boots and warm boots because main memory is preserved across warm boots. Aug 20 06:59:31 It's mutch harder to find a pen tu press a sunken button than open the FR-case and pull the battery.... I don't into that with pens. I don't use them so often. Aug 20 07:00:23 Etu: My FR came with a pen. :P Aug 20 07:01:05 Etu: Did you know your nick means "And you?" in Spanish? ;) Aug 20 07:01:11 Yeah... Mine too Aug 20 07:01:15 brolin: Nope Aug 20 07:01:32 I have to leave now for work :) Aug 20 07:02:47 Thursday just started in PDT (I live in the Lower Mainland of British Columbia, Canada); I have to be at work by 09:30. :) Aug 20 07:04:47 I'm at work right now :] Aug 20 07:05:21 It is actually "?e tu?". Should be u with an acute accent and a leading inverted question mark instead of ?. Aug 20 07:07:15 There is also the Palm Tungsten E2, which I considered buying but ended up buying a Palm Z22 3 years ago. Aug 20 07:08:36 * brolin lives in "the best place on Earth" according to the provincial government. :) Aug 20 07:09:41 heh Aug 20 07:09:57 You have a very confident people there :] Aug 20 07:12:23 Gordon Campbell, the premier of British Columbia, was caught drinking and driving in Hawaii in 2003. (fail) Aug 20 07:14:09 huehue Aug 20 07:14:40 in Poland (where i live) for some time we had twins az primie minister and president Aug 20 07:15:41 Canada has only a Prime Minister, not a President. Aug 20 07:15:59 good for You Aug 20 07:16:16 Writing of Poland, POLE = Principle of Least Effort. :) Aug 20 07:16:59 since prime minister has changed now there is a little war between them Aug 20 07:17:00 hehe Aug 20 07:17:03 nice :] Aug 20 07:19:15 i don't know any jokes about canadians... Aug 20 07:19:42 but I've worked with two canadian guys :) Aug 20 07:21:17 C:\Users\brolin>\cygwin\bin\dfu-util.exe -a rootfs -R -D Downloads\fso-paroli-image-om-gta02.jffs2 Aug 20 07:21:49 The Om 2009 rootfs flashing has begun. :) Aug 20 07:23:21 * brolin wonders why he ever wanted an iPhone instead of a FR. :P Aug 20 07:23:54 faster processor, larger screen, more accessories, more apps Aug 20 07:23:57 ^probably why Aug 20 07:24:06 oh, and 3g Aug 20 07:24:24 but you want a FR because its -open- ;) Aug 20 07:28:59 ndnihil: More load for the battery, more accessories I do not need, more proprietary apps, less control, more features I cannot use because I do not have a data plan, no way to buy first-hand in Canada without signing a 3-year service contract with Rogers or Fido (I think Apple is finally selling the 3GS without a service contract in Canada), no user-replaceable battery, reverse engineering required to run unsigned software. Yes, that Aug 20 07:31:12 you'll want the faster processor/more memory, but the rest I can agree with :) Aug 20 07:37:29 I forgot to mention Apple's crappy iPod feature that uses metadata instead of file system layout to browse media and that you cannot simply copy media to the file system because you have to use iTunes, which I dislike and do not use because I prefer Winamp, or a Free program that works only because someone reverse engineered Apple's crytographic scheme because the iTunesDB file has to be updated. lame++. Aug 20 07:42:33 I prefer Rockbox over Apple's crappy iPod firmware, but why even use an iPod if I do not use Apple's firmware? Aug 20 07:46:03 i'm really just waiting for nokia's rover Aug 20 08:43:18 leinir: Is the Nokia Rover a cell phone, or only a VoIP phone? The blog posts I have found suggest it is a VoIP phone, but I have not found anything mentioning cell phone functionality. Aug 20 08:45:05 It is specifically not a phone - they've gone out of their way not to make it one :) Aug 20 08:45:10 Which is sort of why it suits me so well ;) Aug 20 08:45:14 It's a web tablet :) Aug 20 08:46:39 I chose the FR because I wanted a PDA/handheld computer + GSM cell phone in one device. There are many handheld Linux computers, but most of them are not cell phones too, so I would still always need 2 devices, have 2 batteries to monitor, etc. Aug 20 08:47:38 so it is not a phone? i wonder why they have released the phone api's for maemo if that is not going to be the phone, perhaps they are also going to have a phone version? Aug 20 08:48:14 leinir: The Rover looks cool, but I do not think I want one because then I would still always need 2 devices. Aug 20 08:48:54 dns53: just wait :-) Aug 20 08:48:58 Well, i've sort of got a really big problem with voice chat in general... which makes it basically the perfect device for me ;) Aug 20 08:49:49 maemo can do jingle (google talk voice and video) Aug 20 08:51:06 I bought a Palm Z22 (PDA only, not a phone) before I got a cell phone, so I already had 2 devices when I needed only 1. It probably would have made more sense to get a smartphone to use without telephony functionality than a PDA, but I did not think I needed a cell phone when I bought my Palm Z22. Now my Palm Z22 is almost useless because the touch screen works only when it is cold, such as after leaving it in the freezer, so I wanted Aug 20 08:55:07 Hello all, Stupid question here. I've not had much time for the OpenMoko for a few weeks and wanted to update my SHR in the phone. I usually went to the SHR page on the wiki and picked up a link to where to download it from. There now is an SHR page with no obvious link to where to download from. Can somebody point me in the right direction Aug 20 08:56:36 opkg ipgrade should do the trick now Aug 20 08:56:42 *upgrade Aug 20 08:56:51 Arigead, topic!) Aug 20 08:57:53 [SHR] Sorry [SHR-U] Aug 20 08:58:16 tomcatek: I'll try the upgrade option Aug 20 08:59:52 Arigead: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/ Aug 20 09:00:00 Arigead: shr-project.org -> installation -> unstable Aug 20 09:00:32 i can't seem to get gsm daemon to work on that image Aug 20 09:00:37 I may eventually buy a new digicam to replace my Fujifilm FinePix 2600Zoom, which I gave to my sister because I almost never used it anymore, so I do not want to always carry 3 devices instead of only 2. :) Aug 20 09:02:49 I prefer mobile phones without cameras Aug 20 09:02:56 blindcoder: Thanks I'll book mark that location for shr. I'll try add a link to the wiki "http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR" Thanks a million again. Aug 20 09:03:15 it sucks having to destroy the camera to get access to customer sites without having to hand out your phone Aug 20 09:03:24 Arigead: you're welcome ;) Aug 20 09:05:33 blindcoder: Mobile phones without cameras, such as the FR? :) Aug 20 09:05:38 brolin: indeed Aug 20 09:06:07 telcos, car manufacturers and military don't like cams on their property ;) Aug 20 09:07:03 breweries also complain Aug 20 09:07:50 dns53: Maybe you can bribe them by giving them head. ;) Aug 20 09:09:03 Or maybe that works only for the seedy breweries. ;) Aug 20 09:10:21 Or maybe they allow camera phones if they are running BREW. ;) Aug 20 09:16:14 * brolin has a Blank/Black Screen of Death after booting Om 2009 from onboard flash for the first time. :( Aug 20 09:16:54 Heh, I typed too soon! :D Aug 20 09:24:04 I wonder if a 16GB uSD might have a higher fan-in (current-consumption on data/clock line inputs) than e.g. 512MB Aug 20 09:32:28 Anyway, Bedtime for Brolin. Aug 20 09:32:48 brolin: But clock is just 11:32:32 (24h time) Aug 20 09:34:48 Etu: My clock says 02:33. I have to get up at 07:00. I highly prefer 24h time. 12h is illogical and confusing. Aug 20 09:37:20 :c Aug 20 09:37:44 brolin: ^^ Aug 20 10:00:15 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * rb1f16672dab9 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_calls.py: opimd: Calls: few cosmetic fixes Aug 20 10:00:18 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r28a770086022 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (opimd.py pimd_notes.py): opimd: Notes: add new domain Aug 20 10:00:18 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r6ca93f592cbb 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (8 files): opimd: use libphone-utils to normalize phone numbers, fix quering multiple values and fix entry paths Aug 20 10:00:19 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * rd4dc93529e19 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/backend_manager.py: opimd: accidentaly commited too lot. Fixing. Aug 20 10:07:50 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r08ffb004cc59 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_calls.py: opimd: Calls: fix copy'n'paste error in Update and Delete Aug 20 10:47:40 Hi, I have a recurring problem. I get the message that my home (bound to bind-home) is a read-only filesystem. I have manually edited the fstab to make sure that it is rw, but to no avail. It seems to only make my card read-only. Although I know that I have been able to write to it in some occations. Aug 20 10:53:39 Daramarak: where is your home on? On the moko or on a sd card? Aug 20 10:56:32 home is bound to sd card by using bind-home (using om2009) Aug 20 10:57:01 do You have a vfat on uSD? Aug 20 10:57:43 interesting question, no I think I formatted it as ext3 but I am not sure. Aug 20 10:58:08 if there is ext3, so You have to mount it with uid and gid of root user Aug 20 10:58:40 it is ext3 Aug 20 10:58:45 or chown it to root Aug 20 10:58:54 and chacge access rights Aug 20 10:59:36 but the files on the system is owned by root, and still I cannot edit them. Aug 20 10:59:58 system meaning the home folder Aug 20 10:59:58 access rights? Aug 20 11:00:14 -rw-r--r-- Aug 20 11:00:45 try 777 Aug 20 11:00:59 nobody will hack it so don't care :] Aug 20 11:01:49 I will ;) Aug 20 11:02:41 by sending a sequence of sms' that hacks into your iphone installing ssh on it connecting to your computer and tunnel a connection to your freerunner Aug 20 11:02:42 boom baby Aug 20 11:02:43 Well, good luck on that... Because when I try chown and chmod I get the message Read-only file system Aug 20 11:03:10 Daramarak: By any chance your sd card is not locked physically? Aug 20 11:04:49 pieterc: In that case it has locked itself. I have created some of the file on the card while it was in the phone. Aug 20 11:05:25 try umounting it, and mount by hand Aug 20 11:05:35 Ill try... Aug 20 11:05:48 and check in dmesg, maybye it goves some errors there Aug 20 11:06:11 anything I can grep for in dmesg? Aug 20 11:07:18 ext3? Aug 20 11:07:33 haven't used that fs in some time Aug 20 11:07:44 ill give it a try... Aug 20 11:07:48 don't remmember what it says while m,ounting Aug 20 11:16:01 I see one line that say mmc mcc1:00001 parent mmc1 should not be sleeping, and then mmc1 : card 0001 removed Aug 20 11:17:06 Ill try to reboot and check the dmesg then. less noise that way. Aug 20 11:17:45 lock uSD? o.O Aug 20 11:18:42 DocScrutinizer: Can the SD spontaniously lock itself after installation? Aug 20 11:18:48 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r57c9a1c2e66b 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (helpers.py opimd.py pimd_generic.py): opimd: don't fail when can't import phoneutils Aug 20 11:19:20 Daramarak: on FR it can freeze completely on IO errors Aug 20 11:19:40 DocScrutinizer: But on mine I can read, but not write. Aug 20 11:19:44 e.g due to too hick sdclck Aug 20 11:20:00 so you need to check your mountparams Aug 20 11:20:23 maybe mount as ext2 Aug 20 11:20:23 I edited the fstab if that is what you mean. Aug 20 11:20:47 But I have been able to edit files on the phone before, with the same distro Aug 20 11:21:38 I seem to remeber a non-clean ext3 is implicitly R/O. try fschk Aug 20 11:22:15 Interesting, ill try it after a reboot. Aug 20 11:22:25 though that should be done on mount automatically Aug 20 11:22:36 Daramarak: can't You just make vfat there? Aug 20 11:22:58 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r0e8b5c20d985 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_dates.py: opimd: Dates: fix traceback when adding entry Aug 20 11:22:59 tomcatek: Does bind-home work with vfat at all? Aug 20 11:23:17 vfat has no decent users Aug 20 11:23:41 strongly deprecated for all but mere data transfer purposes Aug 20 11:23:55 yes Aug 20 11:24:04 Daramarak: without any problem Aug 20 11:24:37 DocScrutinizer: but gives less trouble :P Aug 20 11:24:52 depends on usage Aug 20 11:25:23 try do a simple cp -a from ext to vfat, for backup purposes ;-P Aug 20 11:25:48 after reboot, I can write again. Aug 20 11:26:38 so "it fixed itself" (brazil) Aug 20 11:26:46 yep Aug 20 11:26:49 not good Aug 20 11:27:33 not good? afraid of central services? :-) Aug 20 11:27:51 something like that yes :) Aug 20 11:30:32 Might it be that something made the fs non-clean, and that it actually fixed itself when rebooting ? Aug 20 11:44:24 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * rb711d1831d1d 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (opimd.py pimd_todos.py): opimd: add Todos domain Aug 20 11:45:50 openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5492 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (STATUS adg3304.lib gta02-core-comp.pro): New component ADG3304 Aug 20 11:46:10 openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5493 10/trunk/gta02-core/AUTHORS: New component ADG3304 Aug 20 11:49:04 openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5494 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/INFO: New component ADG3304 info Aug 20 12:08:50 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r78a42cd9409f 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_dates.py: opimd: Dates: fix quering in Dates domain. (more love is still needed) Aug 20 12:10:12 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r429df244c230 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sqlite_dates.py: opimd: SQLite-Dates: fix typo when updating entry Aug 20 12:37:34 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rc21131eae421 10/misc-vapi/vapi/linux26.vapi: misc-vapi: use uint16 for EV_ constants, use Posix.tm instead of GLib.Time Aug 20 12:37:35 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * reb432249e262 10/fsodeviced/src/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fsodeviced: catch up with stronger Vala type checks Aug 20 12:45:36 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r2233cd947423 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (opimd.py pimb_sqlite_notes.py): opimd: SQLite-Notes: add new backend Aug 20 12:57:22 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r06b312136ff8 10framework/conf/example/frameworkd.conf: conf: add default backends for new domains Aug 20 13:06:57 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r2248595a730b 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (opimd.py pimb_sqlite_notes.py pimb_sqlite_todos.py): opimd: SQLite-Todos: add new backend Aug 20 13:59:23 openmoko: 03werner * r5495 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Aug 20 13:59:23 openmoko: - components/mkloe: added ADG3304 Aug 20 13:59:23 openmoko: - added ADG3304 to BT sheet of expanded view Aug 20 13:59:23 openmoko: - components/STATUS: reviewed ADG3304 Aug 20 13:59:23 openmoko: - docs/PACKAGES: added NXP QFGN packages Aug 20 15:11:48 with "xrandr --output default --rotate inverted" isnt the screen acting little weird? Aug 20 15:12:02 xyzz: what X server? Aug 20 15:12:23 ah, shr unstable, dont know the version now Aug 20 15:12:51 xyzz: find out Aug 20 15:13:40 xserver-nodm-init - 1.0-r12 - Aug 20 15:14:00 it looks like there is some offset between screen and cursor Aug 20 15:14:01 xyzz: very odd version number Aug 20 15:14:20 xyzz: what files does that package contain? Aug 20 15:16:43 looks like that was only the init script package Aug 20 15:16:50 hope this is the right one Aug 20 15:16:52 xserver-kdrive-glamo - 1:1.3.0.0+gitr9b28d998424c77fbc057dd3a022ccbb122793a52-r4 Aug 20 15:18:37 xyzz: kdrive? Aug 20 15:18:51 xyzz: that hasn't been updated for almost a year! Aug 20 15:21:01 lindi- that may be ... but still it started as default in shr. are there any other options? Aug 20 15:32:49