**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 21 02:59:56 2009 Aug 21 03:02:15 hi,who played android ? I have a probelm that I can not find a function named setSilent in the android manual's example. Who know which package it lived in ? Aug 21 03:04:08 Oh, sorry ,I think I speak at wrong channel. Aug 21 03:26:14 has there been recent talk of echo from other party Aug 21 03:55:19 after adjusting a scenarii, does anything need to be restarted? Aug 21 03:59:54 openmoko: 03rehar * r5503 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (audio.sch cpu.sch): implemented ECN0031 Aug 21 04:13:26 * brolin is browsing the contacts on the used SIMs he bought. The Rogers SIM I am currently using has a contact named "dustin poop". :o Aug 21 04:15:24 Karma Larma? Funny name. :) Aug 21 04:15:45 used sim? Aug 21 04:15:49 u can get those? Aug 21 04:18:55 Undrwater: Sure, why not? I asked for expired or unactivated SIMs on the Vancouver, BC craigslist. These 3 are from a white woman who lives in a trailer park in Surrey, BC. :o Aug 21 04:19:38 nice Aug 21 04:20:56 I do not know how and/or where she got the SIMs, but I am not sure I want to know either. :P Aug 21 04:23:12 Interesting phone number: 604 850 0111 Aug 21 04:24:42 My mom used to have 604 301 1112 in East Vancouver. Before that, she had 604 321 3201. :) Aug 21 04:26:02 Actually, that was before 10-digit dialing was introduced, so you could call local numbers without the area code. Aug 21 04:26:11 still works here Aug 21 04:26:50 You mean your area still uses only 7-digit dialing for local numbers? Aug 21 04:27:01 yep Aug 21 04:27:18 Where are you? Aug 21 04:27:35 SoCal...actually southern los angeles county Aug 21 04:27:42 north county needs 10 digit now Aug 21 04:28:40 Did you know the population of California is greater than all of Canada? :) Aug 21 04:30:27 didn't Aug 21 04:38:17 "Do u wanna hang again tonight" :) Aug 21 04:46:46 I am looking for gnumeric on a phone. Is this close with openmoko? Aug 21 04:48:16 My Nokia 6103b does not recognise the 2nd Rogers SIM I bought. (fail) I should have tested all 3 SIMs before buying them. Maybe I just need to clean the contacts? Aug 21 04:50:40 How do I clean the contacts on a SIM? Aug 21 04:54:46 The 3rd SIM I bought appears to work, but my Nokia 6103b says "Phone restricted" and asks for a restriction code, presumably because I am trying to use a Fido SIM in a Rogers phone. (fail) Aug 21 05:01:21 My Fido SIM should work in my FR, though, because the FR is unlocked. Aug 21 05:51:10 Hello, Can anyone tell me whether openmoko emulator supports bluetooth? Aug 21 05:55:25 * brolin is almost ready to abandon Om 2009. Which distro should I try next? SHR? Aug 21 05:56:28 brolin: I'm happy SHR user :) Aug 21 05:57:45 brolin: I'm recommending :) Aug 21 05:58:46 Illume barely worked (GUI does not respond, screen does not get redrawn, things do not fit in 480x640 and switching to 640x480 did not work, ...), so I reverted to only Paroli, but that is unusable too because the GUI keeps being unresponsive. How can the official Openmoko distro be so unusable? (fail) Aug 21 06:00:44 Hello, Can anyone tell me whether openmoko emulator supports bluetooth? Aug 21 06:03:20 brolin: OM2009 is a bit dead. all programmers who made it work somewhere else now Aug 21 06:05:26 openmoko: 03rehar * r5504 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Aug 21 06:05:26 openmoko: - added new ECN0032, EMI and ESD protection for headset jack Aug 21 06:05:26 openmoko: - added commit to ECN0031 Aug 21 06:24:42 tomcatek: According to , SHR cannot even send multipart SMS. (fail) Is that still true? Aug 21 06:27:40 * brolin is reminded of the Rasterbator. :) Aug 21 06:28:39 brolin: some things from the wiki are not true now Aug 21 06:29:35 tomcatek: I should have pasted a permalink instead of the URL of the current version: Aug 21 06:30:55 tomcatek: That is probably true of most wikis. Can SHR even send multipart SMS, though? Aug 21 06:32:23 brolin: SHR is developed all the time, and most of the bugs pointed on the wiki are corrected now Aug 21 06:32:43 brolin: i haven't tried to send multiple SMS till now... Aug 21 06:33:07 I know, I should try SHR for myself instead of asking. :P I can live without being able to send multipart SMS, but I do use multipart SMS on my Nokia 6103b. Aug 21 06:34:35 i know it's usefull Aug 21 06:34:46 which deletes my complete call history when I change SIMs and no longer automatically saves sent SMS even though it is configured to automatically save sent SMS and has free memory. (fail) Aug 21 06:35:12 :/ Aug 21 06:37:20 And is apparently locked to Rogers, which means I cannot explore the contacts and SMS on my used Fido SIM. :( Aug 21 06:37:43 :/ Aug 21 06:38:02 my motorola is bit more "elastic" ;) Aug 21 06:42:08 My Nokia 6103b was my first cell phone. I did not research which cell phone to buy: I used the Nokia 6103b because my dad gave it to me after he bought a Samsung phone. Aug 21 06:43:10 heh Aug 21 06:44:39 * brolin does not know how he ever would have chosen a cell phone from the thousands of models available if he had not been given the Nokia 6103b. :P Aug 21 06:46:00 openmoko: 03rehar * r5505 10/trunk/gta02-core/cpu.sch: Aug 21 06:46:00 openmoko: - added comment about ECN0031 to cpu sheet Aug 21 06:46:00 openmoko: - marked pin EINT7/GPF7 as NC Aug 21 06:46:44 http://tinyurl.com/n4652b Aug 21 06:47:26 the translation is not perfect unfortunately :/ Aug 21 06:49:23 My requirements would reduce the choices, though: must be GSM, must be unlocked or at least work with Rogers because I need to use a Speak Out Wireless SIM, must use a natural/human language I can understand (English), must have a charger for North America because I live in Canada, must be able to buy without a service contract, ... Aug 21 06:53:15 Usable without a SIM installed, ability to read screen without backlight on, offline mode, multiple phone numbers per contact are all useful too. Aug 21 06:54:42 most of phones You can buy via ebay meet those criterias Aug 21 07:02:18 * rooly is disussing with some kid the merits of GPL and how it's usage is not "stupid and not free" instead of a zlib/mit/bsd license Aug 21 07:04:31 tomcatek: I was expecting that link to be related to cell phones, but I guess women's breasts will interest most of the members of this channel. :P (Are there any females here?) Aug 21 07:04:58 brolin: ask SeligArkin ;) Aug 21 07:05:58 PaulFertser: does she frequently wash dishes to improve her breasts? :P Aug 21 07:06:16 brolin: if there are some men, they would like to have good arguments to make the woman do the dishes :] Aug 21 07:08:38 tomcatek: You have made me want a female who will let me play with her breasts again, as if I did not already want that enough. :P I have, surprisingly, actually had one, but not since 2007-05. :( Aug 21 07:09:57 tomcatek: (breasts and washing) that's some fucked up logic, they should better just do pushups excersises, dishwashing is inefecctive. Aug 21 07:13:24 "My daddy is a lazy, middle-class intellectual\nMy mommy is washing dishes to improve her breasts, so ineffectual" ;) Aug 21 07:16:42 Who knows which song's lyrics that was a play on? :) Without using a search engine. :P Aug 21 07:18:56 Writing of ineffectual people, chatting does not flash SHR on my FR. :P Aug 21 07:20:00 Incidentally, shr.fr or neo.fr? :) Aug 21 07:21:18 or mac.se/30 or even brolin.be ;) Aug 21 07:24:56 * brolin wonders if anyone has created SIMCity as a play on SimCity. I have seen SIMM City. Aug 21 07:27:20 Most of the search engine results for "simcity" are probably for the game/simulation, and Google Search ignores lettercase. :( Aug 21 07:28:25 I mean Google Search is case-insensitive. :( Aug 21 07:29:03 Is anyone even reading my messages? :P Aug 21 07:31:06 nope Aug 21 07:31:10 ;) Aug 21 07:33:31 tomcatek: That is how I would answer too if someone else asked what I asked. :) Aug 21 07:50:51 tomcatek: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/health/3072021.stm Aug 21 08:33:05 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r77f434ea58cc 10framework/ (6 files in 2 dirs): opimd: Todos: rename to Tasks Aug 21 08:33:06 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r3152c396c541 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_generic.py: opimd: Generic: use re.escape instead of str.replace Aug 21 08:34:20 openmoko: 03werner * r5506 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (11 files): (log message trimmed) Aug 21 08:34:20 openmoko: - delete.c: added more destructor functions Aug 21 08:34:20 openmoko: - deallocate all our data structures on exit (to help find memory leaks, bad Aug 21 08:34:20 openmoko: pointers, and general logic errors) Aug 21 08:34:20 openmoko: - fixed memory leak when allocating pad names in instantiation Aug 21 08:34:23 openmoko: - added "magic" environment variable FPED_NO_GUI to run fped without Aug 21 08:34:25 openmoko: initializing Gtk+ Aug 21 09:35:09 hi Aug 21 09:35:46 wow Aug 21 09:35:50 this channel gets some good ones Aug 21 09:36:04 yesterday a jean luc picard Aug 21 09:36:08 and today a fox multer Aug 21 09:36:09 er Aug 21 09:36:10 mulder Aug 21 09:36:14 whatever that twats name was Aug 21 09:36:16 :) Aug 21 09:36:44 * ndnihil waits for the furries contingent to stroll in Aug 21 09:38:19 i think questions about hardware fixes relate to #openmoko-cdevel ? Aug 21 09:38:43 why would they? C development is software, not hardware Aug 21 09:39:26 here is as good a place as any, short of the mailing list Aug 21 09:39:43 ok than i misread the topic :) Aug 21 09:40:08 "Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel" Aug 21 09:40:33 read between the | Aug 21 09:40:35 :) Aug 21 09:41:01 yes, but "users of openmoko hardware" is misjudged ;) Aug 21 09:41:15 ehm "i" not "is" Aug 21 09:41:41 perhaps if it were a /, but surely not a | Aug 21 09:42:09 i know. so please let it be. it was my fault :P Aug 21 09:43:14 back to the reason why i joined in here is the #1024 bug of the gsm chip Aug 21 09:43:30 ah, the dreaded 1024 Aug 21 09:43:52 have you updated your GSM modem firmware? Aug 21 09:44:03 later today i want to fix the bug with replacing c1009 with a 22uF cap Aug 21 09:44:09 yes is moko11 Aug 21 09:45:21 so my question is if 22uF still is the best size or if i'm not up to date anymore. and is a larger cap like 47uF better/equal/worse/untested ? Aug 21 09:45:32 oh wait, 1024 is the gsm oscillation thing Aug 21 09:45:37 not what I was thinking Aug 21 09:45:38 yes Aug 21 09:45:52 the bug present since the beginning of the gta02 Aug 21 09:45:57 luckily I've not had the 1024 issue Aug 21 09:46:03 Fox_Muldr: 22u is enough Aug 21 09:46:30 ok thanks Aug 21 09:46:33 Fox_Muldr: you can put more if you like but what's important is also to ensure low enough ESR. Aug 21 09:46:43 Fox_Muldr: it's supposed that all ceramic caps have low ESR. Aug 21 09:47:09 Fox_Muldr: btw, are you going to apply the fix yourself? Where do you get the equipment, parts and skills? Aug 21 09:47:38 Fox_Muldr: because too many people complain about how hard it's to do the fix it's interesting to have one more proof their complains are void ;) Aug 21 09:47:42 i got 22uF and 47uF from a friend at work because i don't have these smd caps myself. both are ceramic but don't know the esr Aug 21 09:48:06 Fox_Muldr: ceramic are ok and 22uF proved to be enough on all the devices the fix was attempted on. Aug 21 09:48:20 i'm student of electrical engigeering and this kind of work is my hobby ;) Aug 21 09:48:38 Fox_Muldr: what about soldering equipment? Aug 21 09:49:03 but until now the already done preparations wasn't very hard and i think most people can do this. like dissassembling the case and removing the metal box Aug 21 09:49:26 Yes, i always said the same. Aug 21 09:49:34 i got no special smd equipment but i use a 0.7mm soldering tip on my normal soldering iron Aug 21 09:50:06 Fox_Muldr: proves my point, thanks. Aug 21 09:50:23 Fox_Muldr: btw, one side of the cap is on the GND plane so it'll require a bit more heat. Aug 21 09:50:41 it needs quite some sensitiveness to remove the metal box cover to not deform it but it worked quite good Aug 21 09:51:15 Fox_Muldr: yeah, a good knife and a bit of patience and it's off. Aug 21 09:51:24 ok thanks for the hint. i already looked at the placement pdf and the schematics as help Aug 21 09:51:57 Fox_Muldr: btw, snap some adhesive tape on the back side of the can, the cap you'll solder is a bit higher, so you want to insulate it from the can. Aug 21 09:52:06 i used very small screwdrivers which are intended for small clocks Aug 21 09:52:30 i already read this and i will insulate it a bit at the top Aug 21 09:52:37 Fox_Muldr: any knife works the same or even better i think Aug 21 09:52:45 ok Aug 21 09:52:55 i will take some pictures of my reqork Aug 21 09:52:59 reqork Aug 21 09:53:02 rework Aug 21 09:53:04 hmmps Aug 21 09:53:20 Fox_Muldr: what other reworks have you done already? Aug 21 09:53:55 only the gps sd-card fix. the buz-fix was done by daniel willman because the 0603 resistors are too small for my soldering iron :) Aug 21 09:54:33 Fox_Muldr: it's 0402 Aug 21 09:55:06 hehe more the worse ;) Aug 21 09:56:29 Fox_Muldr: btw, i experimentally proved that at least part of the buzzfix (soldering the wire from the cap) can be done with a huge (for smd) old soldering iron. And anyway i'll have to desolder some 0402 Rs very soon with some ordinary iron. So i guess it's doable. Aug 21 09:56:48 Fox_Muldr: do you want to do a bass fix as well? It doesn't require fine soldering. Aug 21 09:57:26 it is doable but at that time i doesn't wanted to proove that and daniel did the buz-fix for free so i used it. Aug 21 09:58:06 hmm bass fix was only for the headset and not handset, am i right? Aug 21 09:58:19 PaulFertser: is there a wiki page that describes all the hardware revisions, and the hardware fixes that apply to each? Aug 21 09:59:17 in the mailinglist i read many posts about the bassfix but i can't remember of any final solution. many different proposals were made how to fix this. is there any "final" solution documented? Aug 21 09:59:27 Fox_Muldr: you don't want to listen to the music with handset anyway :) Aug 21 09:59:40 Fox_Muldr: GTA02_bass_fix Aug 21 09:59:53 hehe since i bought my freerunner a year ago i never used my headset *g* Aug 21 09:59:54 Fox_Muldr: nothing better than this page exists Aug 21 10:00:12 ok i take a look Aug 21 10:00:13 Fox_Muldr: headset is not for the music. But you can attach some decent headphones instead. Aug 21 10:01:23 so i should attach my big headphones to the little freerunner? :) Aug 21 10:06:14 your version of the bass-fix looks quite interesting with wires coming out of the can. :) Aug 21 10:11:15 but i think at the moment i will only do the gsm fix because i don't think that i will use my neo for music playing in the near future Aug 21 10:34:32 ~botsnack Aug 21 10:35:39 !seen apt Aug 21 10:35:41 apt (i=ibot@rikers.org) was last seen quitting from #openmoko 22 hours, 5 minutes ago stating (lost in the netsplit). Aug 21 10:36:15 could it be that the caps are glued on the board? i have a rought time getting it off the board :/ Aug 21 10:36:49 yep Aug 21 10:37:19 1 year old? hmm Aug 21 10:37:29 i don't want to use too much force because i fear that the soldering point on the board also gets off... Aug 21 10:37:39 gta02v5 is my version Aug 21 10:37:41 ack Aug 21 10:37:58 use desoldering tweezers Aug 21 10:38:33 talking bout which component? Aug 21 10:38:39 and with only one soldering iron i can only heat up one of the two ends of the cap at the same time and also have to use force to get it from the glue. Aug 21 10:38:44 c1009 for the 1024 bug Aug 21 10:39:07 yes, there s a couple of reports about glue Aug 21 10:39:36 i don't have desoldering tweezers in my little hobby garage ;) Aug 21 10:40:49 i think this is the most critical part of the whole rework :) Aug 21 10:40:55 hard to desolder a clued component then, witout harm to PCB. I suggest using one of the fix methods not implying removal Aug 21 10:41:07 glued Aug 21 10:41:34 you mean add an additional 10mF to the existing? Aug 21 10:41:41 10uF Aug 21 10:42:13 maybe you are right. i don't know how to desolder it while it is glued without the right tools Aug 21 10:43:32 yes, that's what I mean Aug 21 10:44:14 do you know how critical this location is for heat through the soldering iron? maybe i can get it hotter and hold it longer to melt the glue below it... Aug 21 10:45:29 sorry, no experience with that particular fix. but glue is heat resistent Aug 21 10:45:41 argh Aug 21 10:46:12 ok than i will do the additional cap method Aug 21 10:57:57 hmm i only have the 22uF cap. i hope it also works good if i add it to the existing 10uF cap. after that i got ~32uF instead of the suggested 22uF Aug 21 11:15:09 openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5507 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/wm3236aq.lib: Update WM3236AQ symbol Aug 21 11:48:26 I just installed navit from the navit repositories, and the default navit.xml is blank. Someone know where I can find a example navit.xml for the freerunner? Aug 21 11:50:43 I can give You the one which works for me Aug 21 11:51:16 I'd be interested in that as well Aug 21 11:51:22 I never got navit to work properly Aug 21 11:51:44 http://78.88.182.29/navit.xml Aug 21 11:52:12 thanks Aug 21 11:52:26 if You have espeak installed, then You have to change the language and adjust maps settings Aug 21 11:54:22 tomcatek: thanx alot, will try it now Aug 21 11:54:53 no problem Aug 21 12:00:49 also be aware that esd/dispatcher-foo is deprecated Aug 21 12:00:56 12:00:42.293|navit:main:No instance has been created, exiting Aug 21 12:01:00 no love Aug 21 12:01:19 ls Aug 21 12:04:29 run "navit" not "navit.real" Aug 21 12:04:32 ajvogel: iirc something like "espeak | aplay" is the suggested fix for that Aug 21 12:05:12 DocScrutinizer: I'm using only espeak, and it's working well Aug 21 12:05:38 tomcatek: I did, command I used was "navit -c navit.xml" Aug 21 12:06:02 any errors? Aug 21 12:06:12 yep, the one I pasted above Aug 21 12:06:14 say, is there a good auto OSM downloader or something ? Aug 21 12:06:31 a couple warnings about failing to create attributes Aug 21 12:06:35 similar ? Aug 21 12:06:35 hmm, might if you have oss-compatibility started (= /dev/dsp). Still this breaks all other audio, means you'll probably get no ringtones anymore Aug 21 12:06:46 refresh, colour, and colour2 Aug 21 12:07:23 ndnihil: do You have navit from SHR or from navit repositories? Aug 21 12:07:29 from shr Aug 21 12:07:50 it works with newer navit from navit repos Aug 21 12:07:54 ah Aug 21 12:07:55 tomcatek: It starts now, hmm... got to figure out navit now Aug 21 12:08:02 hehe Aug 21 12:08:08 You have to get a map :) Aug 21 12:08:25 tomcatek: does the routing work for you? Aug 21 12:08:32 yes Aug 21 12:08:44 tomcatek: Got a map from that "cloud" site :) Aug 21 12:09:02 I'm using openstreetmaps and it works... usually ;) Aug 21 12:09:36 on longer distances there are some problems, but it finds the way occasionally Aug 21 12:10:12 OSS aka /dev/dsp strongly deprecated (and obsolete) -> esd deprecated -> dispatcher-foo deprecated. /dev/dsp will basically mess your FR audio system Aug 21 12:10:27 it depends how well is Your country covered by OSM Aug 21 12:13:28 tomcatek: where are you? Aug 21 12:13:36 at work :] Aug 21 12:13:41 country Aug 21 12:13:45 poland Aug 21 12:13:55 Ah. Aug 21 12:17:13 is there a way or application to quickly get all the OSM data of a country (I use SHR) ? Aug 21 12:19:03 SpeedEvil: why do You ask? Aug 21 12:19:53 tomcatek: I've just been working on improving the intercity routing in the US on OSM Aug 21 12:20:11 (lots of imported data had broken roads) Aug 21 12:20:26 I wos wondering how to make it better Aug 21 12:20:40 how do You do that? Aug 21 12:21:11 I'd like to make my town for a start to be covered nicely Aug 21 12:21:22 Do you have a GPS? Aug 21 12:21:23 Doh Aug 21 12:21:29 Ok. Aug 21 12:22:00 The most simple way is wandering around with the GPS, logging a trace, and taking pictures or making notes of intersections and stuff Aug 21 12:22:49 Then you get back home - upload that trace, and then use it as an aid - along with the photos (which can be placed on the map automagically based on their timestamps) or notes - to edit the area. Aug 21 12:23:23 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Beginners%27_Guide Aug 21 12:23:43 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Beginners%27_Guide :) Aug 21 12:23:55 damn. 20s too late. Aug 21 12:24:21 hehe Aug 21 12:24:23 need to get up earlier... Aug 21 12:24:27 there is even a polish version :] Aug 21 12:25:30 if you're entering a new road, do you think a single track is enough? it looked rather wonky in josm Aug 21 12:26:09 and due to me running it on battery i only had like 3hrs of batt for the whole weekend :) Aug 21 12:28:05 Meomer: It depends. Aug 21 12:28:19 Meomer: Some GPSs work quite well. Some are rather... Aug 21 12:28:29 I haven't evaluated a FR dynamically. Aug 21 12:28:37 neo1973 - however - Aug 21 12:28:53 http://www.mauve.plus.com/josm.png Aug 21 12:29:22 The pink trace is the neo - the white is from my carnav system. Also showing multiple other traces from the nav device up at the top Aug 21 12:29:49 On the track along the bottom - both were in the same vehicle! Aug 21 12:31:42 Initially - you probably need to take the GPS along on a route you do daily - to see how it varies with time. Aug 21 12:31:55 That gets you an idea of the errors - and if it's usable Aug 21 12:32:29 well.. Aug 21 12:32:55 it is always possible to compare results with some other maps (google, mapquest, atc) Aug 21 12:33:14 okay, Om 2009 is awesome Aug 21 12:33:37 Compare - OK - but make very sure you don't enter any data from them in any way into the db Aug 21 12:34:02 see wikipedia 'database right' and copyright Aug 21 12:34:29 i looked at it in gearth to compare, yes and that's when i had doubts about the usability of a single track :) Aug 21 12:34:54 how can i do a quick test if my gsm modem is still alive? i did the 1024 rework and now gsm seems not to work anymore :/ Aug 21 12:35:12 also, i can't set the seconds on the compactcam i have :) Aug 21 12:35:25 Meomer: you don't. Aug 21 12:35:36 Meomer: you take a pic of the GPS screen showing the GPS time. Aug 21 12:35:43 plus it was on a busride :) so i can only tell places from where i see that the bus stopped :) Aug 21 12:35:58 Meomer: then you enter that into JOSM - for example - and it uses the offsets Aug 21 12:36:06 (from the EXIF time) Aug 21 12:36:29 Fox_Muldr: for a start you can look at frameworkd.log Aug 21 12:36:41 on shr the ophonekitd.log shows "GSM not available, try again in 5s" all the time Aug 21 12:37:27 Fox_Muldr: or stop everything (frameworkd included), do "socat - file:/dev/ttySAC0,crtscts,crnl,b115200" and then power on the modem with sysfs node. Aug 21 12:37:37 well, i'll consider it for next time i'm there Aug 21 12:37:52 i take a look at frameworkd.log Aug 21 12:37:54 Also - seeing if the normal RFI is induced Aug 21 12:38:12 That at least says it's not completely dead and is being turned on Aug 21 12:38:40 If you get RFI when recieving a call - then it's up and logged on to network (even if it doesn't ring) Aug 21 12:46:42 in frameworkd.log it only whos some messages stating that the device is not enabled and current status is unknown Aug 21 12:46:58 2/Bill Aug 21 12:55:09 hmm, doesnt look like navit is getting gps signal, although omgps works Aug 21 12:55:45 wait a minute... Aug 21 12:56:19 You have to change "vechicle" Aug 21 12:56:38 in this config there wos a "demo car" enabled (for testing) Aug 21 12:56:58 You can disable it not to have further problems Aug 21 12:57:01 look at the shr tweeks page to get it working Aug 21 12:58:47 I've disabled that "demo car" in config visible on the server Aug 21 13:00:05 PaulFertser in shr is no socat. i reboot in debian and try it there Aug 21 13:00:24 or i can't find it... Aug 21 13:02:59 i hope i didn't fry my gsm chip while trying to unsolder the old cap :/ Aug 21 13:04:52 tomcatek: i disabled it, but no car is visible now under actions. As far as I can tell the other cars settings are fine Aug 21 13:05:14 was the cap you put in there polarized? Aug 21 13:06:55 ajvogel_: are there any satelites shown on the interface (left lower corner) Aug 21 13:07:01 no it was a ceramic one without pols Aug 21 13:09:21 hi Aug 21 13:09:31 my freerunner wont boot beyond the "please wait..." screen Aug 21 13:09:36 anyone a clue? Aug 21 13:09:58 i can connect via ssh, but have no clue what to look for Aug 21 13:10:00 :) Aug 21 13:10:01 tomcatek: omgps is correctly giving my position, so im certain the gps has signal Aug 21 13:10:27 tomcatek: navit doesnt show anything regarding satelites Aug 21 13:10:59 do You use my config file? Aug 21 13:11:20 tomcatek: yes, I changed the map and disabled the demo car Aug 21 13:11:48 tomcatek: hmm, can more than one app access the gps at a time? Aug 21 13:14:06 ajvogel_: yes, it's possibe. in the left lower corner there should be a small box with "0/0" or any other numbers in it Aug 21 13:18:38 tomcatek: the screen is beige with a bit of grey top left and thats about it Aug 21 13:18:44 tomcatek: no numbers nothing Aug 21 13:21:07 :/ Aug 21 13:23:09 tomcatek: http://www.filedropper.com/navit_1 Aug 21 13:24:05 is Your navit horizontal? Aug 21 13:24:24 tomcatek: yes? Aug 21 13:24:30 bad idea? Aug 21 13:24:43 mine is not (easier to put in a car for me) Aug 21 13:24:45 no.. Aug 21 13:25:09 just the coordinates of boxes are not working Aug 21 13:27:25 :/ now i get a bit of grey at the bottom, as well Aug 21 13:28:54 yes... Aug 21 13:29:05 in those grey places there should be infos Aug 21 13:29:27 so.. in the lower left corner, small box, any digits? Aug 21 13:30:35 nothing :( Aug 21 13:33:00 go to menu -> settings -> vechicle -> and check, if there is "local GPS" selected Aug 21 13:33:50 there is nothing listed under vehicle Aug 21 13:34:41 in config file there are 2 vehicles defined: "Demo" and "Local GPS" Aug 21 13:35:32 thats right, demo has enabled set to no Aug 21 13:38:31 hm.. Aug 21 13:38:34 strange Aug 21 13:39:51 PaulFertser i tried your socat command and after i put 1 in /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on i only got the kernel log entry "modem wakeup interrupt" and nothing more Aug 21 13:40:20 when i put 0 in power_on i got the kernel log entry "rxerr: port=0 ch=0x00, rxs=0x0000000c" Aug 21 13:40:42 tomcatek: I think I found the problem :( somewhat embarrising. I forgot to do the whole libgps17 thing Aug 21 13:41:43 ajvogel_: try to redownload the config file. I've disabled the Demo car there... Aug 21 13:41:50 hehe Aug 21 13:42:15 I was starting navit on the FR the whole time, and didnt properly read the messages Aug 21 13:42:25 as soon as I started it through ssh i saw it Aug 21 13:42:34 :) Aug 21 13:42:44 i have to go now. Aug 21 13:43:06 ajvogel_: hopefully You will be happy with Your navit :) Aug 21 13:44:19 tomcatek: thanx for all the help, I appreciate it Aug 21 13:45:21 ajvogel_: no problem :] Aug 21 14:12:12 hmmm. now i opened the can again and removed the second cap. and now it works again. it seems that somewhere between the second cap and the original one is the problem. i have to inspect a bit more :) Aug 21 14:13:06 Fox_Muldr: the second cap? Aug 21 14:14:24 Fox_Muldr: you're supposed to remove the original one and solder your cap in place. Aug 21 14:23:05 i know but i can't get the cap off because it is glued. so i decided to go for the "add second 10uF cap" solution shown here: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/attachments/20090525/d968961a/attachment-0001.jpeg Aug 21 14:23:21 and i don't want to use more force than i already tried to desolder the existing cap :( Aug 21 14:24:52 hi, is there a way to install debian on my sd-card with a os like ubuntu or gentoo? Aug 21 14:41:47 now it works :) Aug 21 14:42:09 and i think i know what the problem was. a really stupid mistake Aug 21 14:44:06 but now the question is, how can i find out if the #1024 bug is solved or not? are there any reliable testscenarios for this bug Aug 21 15:09:51 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * rafd9ed6c0c04 10/vapi/elm.vapi: elm.vapi: bind new separator widget Aug 21 15:09:52 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r2ac674127885 10/vapi/ecore.vapi: ecore.vapi: add missing visibility for constructors Aug 21 15:20:42 openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5508 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/STATUS: Update ECN0029 status Aug 21 15:34:02 i documented my rework for the 1024 bug a bit. if you are interested you can see some pictures here: http://quakeman.homelinux.net/bugfix_1024/ Aug 21 15:40:12 :) Aug 21 15:42:38 Fox_Muldr: thanks! Aug 21 15:42:51 Fox_Muldr: i hope you have sent email too? Aug 21 15:44:52 Fox_Muldr: s/ i / I / Aug 21 15:45:05 Fox_Muldr: s/ to gor for / to go for / Aug 21 15:46:10 so, whats new in the openmoko community? Aug 21 15:46:25 is it usable as an everyday phone yet? Aug 21 15:47:50 no email so far. but i will send a short one to the community list in the next minutes :) Aug 21 15:48:37 Fox_Muldr: make sure you mention #1024 in the topic or people won't find it :) Aug 21 15:48:46 ok Aug 21 15:48:47 Fox_Muldr: the traffic is quite heavy on community list Aug 21 15:48:55 s/topic/subject/ Aug 21 15:49:52 i know. i was 14 days in holliday a while ago and after i came back i had to read ~2000 mails in community ml Aug 21 15:53:00 Fox_Muldr: what was the hardest part in the fix btw? Aug 21 15:54:53 i think removing the cap of the can is a bit tricky but all in all there were no really difficult task Aug 21 15:55:26 i tried to remove C1009 and this would be the real hard part but i couldn't get it off so i used a second cap in parallel which was quite easy Aug 21 15:56:07 Hammer! Aug 21 15:56:13 i think C1009 is glued to the board and without the right tools it is quite hard to remove it and i didn't want to break anything in the process Aug 21 15:56:26 yeah Aug 21 15:56:39 what did you screw up? Aug 21 15:56:47 I assume just an 0804 10uf 6v? Aug 21 15:57:36 i added a 10uF in parallel. but "screw up" means destroy or what exactly do you mean? Aug 21 15:58:11 Fox_Muldr: and i think i know what the problem was. a really stupid mistake Aug 21 15:58:19 ah ok :) Aug 21 15:58:56 i isolated the bottom of the cap over the new soldering points. and there i positioned one tape at the wrong posittiuon (mirrored) ;) Aug 21 15:59:08 position Aug 21 15:59:41 when the cap lyies on it's back it is mirrored to the open can on the board and so i just oversaw this... Aug 21 16:00:17 or at least this is the only thing i can think of that went wrong in the first try Aug 21 16:00:53 So you shorted it to the can? Aug 21 16:01:18 i think so but it's only a guess Aug 21 16:01:36 would explain why the modem doesn't react at all after booting Aug 21 16:01:43 :) (that it works now) Aug 21 16:02:10 hehe i was sweating quite much after i reworked the rework and the gsm modem still is alive :D Aug 21 16:03:26 openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5509 10/trunk/gta02-core/pmu.sch: Apply ECN0029, and reorder caps Aug 21 16:04:53 openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5510 10/trunk/gta02-core/pmu.sch: Fix position of stuff Aug 21 16:06:54 yo dawg, i heard you liked reworks, so i put a bug in your bug so you can rework while you rework Aug 21 16:07:33 i hated to open the can three times in a row until it worked Aug 21 16:09:06 openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5511 10/trunk/gta02-core/pmu.sch: Fix resistor labels Aug 21 16:16:47 i'm gone Aug 21 16:23:05 http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/08/21/1155217/Nokia-Leaks-Phone-With-Full-GNULinux-Distribution?from=rss Aug 21 16:25:14 fredrin_: did you notice my typing error fixes for the page btw? Aug 21 16:29:04 openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5512 10/trunk/gta02-core/pmu.sch: Move stuff in PMU to proper place so we have more space at outputs Aug 21 16:30:20 http://www.mobile-review.com/review/nokia-rx51-n900-en.shtml Aug 21 16:31:09 http://funmap.co.uk/cityrouting/tortuous.html Aug 21 16:31:10 oops Aug 21 16:39:01 now that's a phone that I would buy :-p Aug 21 16:40:51 Me too - if I had oodles more money - and it's been released and actually does those things. Aug 21 16:41:17 hmm Aug 21 16:41:34 looks really nice Aug 21 16:41:55 if i would like to have new phone, then i'd consider that one ;) Aug 21 16:43:03 800*480 3.5" - madness! madness I tell you! Aug 21 17:14:55 SpeedEvil: I'd still prefer a 4.2' screen :-D Aug 21 17:15:19 well you can't get all at once Aug 21 17:21:07 my last phone lasted for 8 years, and after (comaparaly) a short painful period with various "smartphones" I really look forward for the next long-term phone now. Aug 21 17:21:41 s/omaparaly/omparably/ Aug 21 17:22:02 omap? has the be a freusian ;-P Aug 21 17:28:21 openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5513 10/trunk/gta02-core/pmu.sch: Small cleanups Aug 21 18:03:25 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r3f1625c755d7 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_calls.py: opimd: Calls: fix copy'n'paste error Aug 21 18:03:26 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r5596996edea0 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (pimd_calls.py pimd_messages.py): opimd: catch up with changes in dbus errors Aug 21 18:03:27 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * ra40b7b1faca2 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_notes.py: opimd: Notes: implement GetTags method Aug 21 18:20:40 openmoko: 03werner * r5514 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (13 files): (log message trimmed) Aug 21 18:20:40 openmoko: - measurement offsets can now use variables. We evaluate the offset during Aug 21 18:20:40 openmoko: instantiation and create a partially formed instance. During measurement Aug 21 18:20:40 openmoko: instantiation, we complete that instance. Aug 21 18:20:40 openmoko: - leak.supp: finally figured out how to write a valgrind suppression file Aug 21 18:20:44 openmoko: - fped.c: we don't need the FPED_NO_GUI kludge anymore Aug 21 18:20:46 openmoko: - fped.c: moved gui_cleanup_style to gui_main Aug 21 18:38:45 raster? was that you? http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/08/21/1155217/Nokia-Leaks-Phone-With-Full-GNULinux-Distribution Aug 21 18:39:05 * Wonka wants... Aug 21 18:41:15 have you seen a news with nokia.com in address? Aug 21 18:41:46 e.g. I .... suggest not belive this news Aug 21 19:19:35 openmoko: 03werner * r5515 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (TODO inst.c): Aug 21 19:19:35 openmoko: - calculation of a rounded pad's diagonal is now more sensible. We use the Aug 21 19:19:35 openmoko: length of the part of the diagonal that's on the pad. In the case of a Aug 21 19:19:35 openmoko: circle (BGA), this is just the diameter. Aug 21 19:19:35 openmoko: - changed label for diagonals from "r" to "d" Aug 21 19:50:48 openmoko: 03werner * r5516 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (delete.c gui_style.c): (log message trimmed) Aug 21 19:50:48 openmoko: When deleting frame "foo" in root->foo->bar and then linking bar from root, Aug 21 19:50:48 openmoko: bar didn't automatically become active, which was rather confusing. We now Aug 21 19:50:48 openmoko: also try harder to keep a frame active. Aug 21 19:50:49 openmoko: - when deleting a frame, also reset all outbound active references Aug 21 19:50:51 openmoko: - when removing the active frame reference, search for a suitable replacement Aug 21 19:50:53 openmoko: instead of just setting it to NULL Aug 21 20:03:40 <|Marco|> I just flashed my new A6 with latest SHR unstable image, it also has latest Qi from andybranch, but for some reason it wont boot, looks like it stops as "SHR" logo is displayed and outputs: "FAT: bogus number of sectors" first, then "VFS: Can't find ext4 filesystem on dev mmvblk0" two times, then the FAT error again Aug 21 20:04:05 <|Marco|> sofar, this is where it stays :/ Aug 21 20:04:10 and after one or two mins neo cussessfully booted, isn't it? Aug 21 20:04:19 *successfully Aug 21 20:04:22 <|Marco|> not sofar Aug 21 20:05:18 <|Marco|> I'll leave it for a while to see if it boots, but I can't get it to boot much at all :/ Aug 21 20:06:39 <|Marco|> it did boot the om2008.x that was on flash from factory, and reflash of om2009.x Aug 21 20:07:07 <|Marco|> still nothing Aug 21 20:09:03 |Marco|: do you want to boot from NAND? Aug 21 20:09:04 <|Marco|> hm, I can hook up the debug board and take a look ? Aug 21 20:09:16 |Marco|: no need. Just think about it carefully. Aug 21 20:09:29 |Marco|: if you want to boot from NAND you shouldn't have kernel on uSD. Aug 21 20:09:35 <|Marco|> PaulFertser: I can't remember what is "userspace" of NAND and NOR Aug 21 20:09:36 |Marco|: remove the uSD and try to boot. Aug 21 20:09:47 |Marco|: oh no :( Aug 21 20:09:57 <|Marco|> PaulFertser: it's all on flash, not uSD Aug 21 20:10:07 |Marco|: do you have uSD in? Aug 21 20:10:15 <|Marco|> yeah, pull it out ? Aug 21 20:10:18 |Marco|: yes Aug 21 20:10:19 <|Marco|> and retry ? Aug 21 20:10:23 <|Marco|> okay Aug 21 20:11:19 <|Marco|> one other thing, holding power button eas supposed to shut it down after a few seconds, but it won't :S Aug 21 20:11:35 <|Marco|> it's been like this since I got the A6 Aug 21 20:12:14 <|Marco|> I have to yank the battery pack for it to shut down :( Aug 21 20:12:18 |Marco|: holding power button can shut it down only when kernel is already running. Aug 21 20:12:53 <|Marco|> well, the same problem was present with om2008/9 booted/booting Aug 21 20:13:16 <|Marco|> I really don't like yaning the battery Aug 21 20:13:56 |Marco|: well... If we had another pcf50633 variant it wouldn't be necessary. Aug 21 20:14:22 <|Marco|> pcf50633 variant ? Aug 21 20:14:36 <|Marco|> ah Aug 21 20:14:45 <|Marco|> okay Aug 21 20:14:52 <|Marco|> yanking battery :( Aug 21 20:15:28 <|Marco|> have they changed that from A5 to A6 ? I don't have this "poweroff" problem on the A5 Aug 21 20:16:27 |Marco|: i don't remember, probably but unlikely. Are you sure you could shut down your A5 even when it was in kernel panic state? Aug 21 20:18:42 <|Marco|> yep Aug 21 20:18:53 <|Marco|> booted up, thanks Aug 21 20:20:15 |Marco|: really? Aug 21 20:20:20 <|Marco|> yeah Aug 21 20:20:25 <|Marco|> it's up now Aug 21 20:20:27 |Marco|: i hope you understood the reason Aug 21 20:20:47 <|Marco|> trying to boot wrong kernel I'm guessing ? Aug 21 20:21:09 |Marco|: trying to boot from the wrong location: your uSD Aug 21 20:21:45 <|Marco|> true, but it won't boot from uSDHC sofar at all, normal uSD works fine Aug 21 20:22:31 |Marco|: Qi should support SDHC on both gta02 and gta01 Aug 21 20:22:40 <|Marco|> yeah, I know :S Aug 21 20:22:48 |Marco|: if some card doesn't work it can be considered as a bug but as a general rule most SDHC cards work. Aug 21 20:23:33 <|Marco|> I know, the same uSDHC card boot's on the A5, confirming it now, one moment please Aug 21 20:23:38 |Marco|: i can't understand what Qi version you're using btw, there's no andy branch in the repo. Aug 21 20:23:54 <|Marco|> http://people.openmoko.org/andy/ Aug 21 20:24:06 <|Marco|> qi-s3c2442-master-hist_3b8513d8b3d9615e.udfu Aug 21 20:24:21 |Marco|: i don't guarantee this binary includes all the relevant bugfixes. Aug 21 20:24:49 <|Marco|> are there any guarenty's at all with the moko ? :P Aug 21 20:25:27 |Marco|: i mean unless you have some really good reason to use old version i'd suggest to refrain from that. BTW, how exactly doesn't that SDHC of yours work? Aug 21 20:26:54 <|Marco|> PaulFertser: it won't boot from it, but the uSD (non HC) in the A5 boot's on the A6 just fine :S Aug 21 20:27:18 |Marco|: how exactly doesn't it boot from it? Aug 21 20:27:35 <|Marco|> it boot's from flash no matter what Aug 21 20:27:54 <|Marco|> I'm going to test if the same uSDHC chip boots on the A5 now Aug 21 20:28:33 |Marco|: there shouldn't be any differences between A5 and A6 wrt SD cards. Aug 21 20:28:48 PaulFertser: no? GPS-SD fix? Aug 21 20:29:06 PaulFertser, |Marco|: i have A5, and i can't power off with power button after kernel panic Aug 21 20:29:16 dos1: I think that was A7, wasn't it? Aug 21 20:29:21 |Marco|: either you prepared the SDHC card in some wrong way (bad filesystem, kernel image placement/name or something like that) or you'll have more luck with another SDHC card. Aug 21 20:29:23 wjbaird: no Aug 21 20:29:30 wjbaird: A7 is with buzzfix Aug 21 20:29:40 <|Marco|> okay, looks like the the uSDHC H:1 won't boot on the A5 eather :/ Aug 21 20:29:46 dos1: i mean booting from the same cards will be the same on all FR versions. Aug 21 20:29:56 A6 has AUX led fixed and sd-gps fix Aug 21 20:30:27 dos1: Ok - I thought I saw that listed in things fixed in A7, but maybe it was a cumulative list... Aug 21 20:32:54 and now Wifi works fine... Aug 21 20:33:13 for me the issue was apprently u-boot vs. Qi... Aug 21 20:33:28 that's odd Aug 21 20:34:23 yeah... Aug 21 20:36:30 We were just discussing it on openmoko-cdevel - I ran into strangeness with wifi breaking in strange ways after upgrading to a newer u-boot... so I switched to the experiemental build of Qi, and now everything's fine. o_O Aug 21 20:39:39 hey Aug 21 20:40:06 i have a serious problem.. my OM setting app doesn't run Aug 21 20:40:14 is it a known bug? Aug 21 20:42:24 Ddorda: you will have to give people a bit more info to help, what distribution are you running for example :) Aug 21 20:43:29 i think it's OM 2008.9 Aug 21 20:43:40 just got the machine, never used OM before Aug 21 20:44:04 but the wiki says it's usually 2008.9 Aug 21 20:45:03 Ddorda: is it a new phone or have you bought it from someone? Aug 21 20:49:58 Ddorda: anyway nobody cares about OM2008.x Aug 21 20:51:15 PaulFertser: got bluetooth headset working, thanks :) Aug 21 20:52:00 Undrwater: oh, did you do anything special? Aug 21 20:52:13 Undrwater: but i'm glad it worked anyway ;) Aug 21 20:52:14 just followed instructions on wiki Aug 21 20:52:30 Ddorda: OM2008.x is pretty dead code - should look at a newer distro. I've used OM2009 somewhat successfully, although it doesn't seem like much is happening there. I switched to SHR a few weeks back and quite like it... Aug 21 20:52:34 Undrwater: ah, cool. Do you have any comments/recommendations/improvements about instructions+ Aug 21 20:52:41 s/+/?/ Aug 21 20:52:44 after a couple of days of using gta01, gsm/phone part is working fine; restarting gsm for some reasons; gps won't tell me a thing anymore, have to strt gllin by hand, but that does not give me anything, either... any ideas besides rebooting? Aug 21 20:53:16 seemed pretty straightforward...the addition in the shr manual part was nice that showed an example of...hang on... Aug 21 20:53:24 Kero: have you tried fully restarting the framework? Aug 21 20:54:18 around gsm restart (playing with deep_sleep, had to revert to never) I restarted frameworkd. not sure if that coincided with gps stopping to work ;) Aug 21 20:54:34 tough I guess you mean restart to see if it ges gps to work again Aug 21 20:54:40 Kero: yes Aug 21 20:54:48 default.yaml...but i see it's there now :) Aug 21 20:55:48 can mdbus -s org.bluez /org/bluez/`pidof bluetoothd`/hci0/dev_xx_xx_xx_xx_xx_xx org.bluez.Headset.Connect be added to a resume script? Aug 21 20:56:30 Undrwater: is there any? ;) Aug 21 20:56:54 frameework restart st least kills gsm. funny, does get gps working. do you know hy? Aug 21 20:57:05 PaulFertser: not that i know of...but i use tuxonice on my PC...was hopint there was something similar Aug 21 20:57:12 *hoping Aug 21 20:58:06 Kero: i guess yes, i do. You know why it kills gsm. As to gps -- i guess that's some framework bug, its stability is still in need of improving. Aug 21 20:59:00 hehe, OK. I'll leave that for now. Aug 21 20:59:01 gsmspeakerout.state controls speakerphone, yes? Aug 21 20:59:10 Undrwater: i think mickey|zzZZzz will provide something at some point of time. Currently you can just add starting of some script to the frameworkd sources (if that part is still python that'd be pretty easy). Aug 21 20:59:55 Undrwater: i guess yes, not that i've seen anyone happy with using it for gsm conversations. Probably listening only is ok :) Aug 21 21:00:09 sounds great on my end! :) Aug 21 21:00:18 caller gets mean echo tho Aug 21 21:00:26 Hehe, as expected Aug 21 21:00:40 so...no way of getting around that as of yet? Aug 21 21:01:15 i played around with that file a bunch last night...got rid of the echo, but can barely hear the speaker :D Aug 21 21:01:48 Probably with some amount of tweaking (lower mic sensitivity) it can be got to work. Aug 21 21:02:23 makes sense...that means i have to talk louder, huh? Aug 21 21:03:25 Has anyone tried porting OSS4 to see if it will work? For the cards it supports, it has spectacular mixer controls and stuff. Aug 21 21:03:38 Undrwater: yes. Still i think that usual dumb phones are using something like auto-switching half-duplex mode for the speakerphone modes, i don't think Calypso supports it (though it definetely can, just that even openmoko employes don't have proper access to its firmware sources). Aug 21 21:03:38 so... my restart_gsm script could also be called restart_gps. so be it :) other than that, SHR 20090808 with sliiightly adapted kernel does the job. Aug 21 21:03:47 * Kero is a happy gta01 user now :) Aug 21 21:04:00 jjwc: i don't think anyone has tried. Aug 21 21:04:19 Kero: cool :D Aug 21 21:04:39 Ddorda1: fyi om2008.x is old deprecated shit Aug 21 21:04:43 As soon as I can get some of my other projects done, I might look into that. Aug 21 21:04:53 jjwc: why do you think it might be beneficial? Aug 21 21:04:59 PaulFertser: btw...all the social workers in their cubies using emacs key bindings >:> Aug 21 21:05:25 Undrwater: did you manage to convince them? :-O Aug 21 21:05:44 how did you manage to do that Aug 21 21:05:44 no...shook heads "geek" and walked away Aug 21 21:05:51 apols need to dash Aug 21 21:06:00 and wrong channel :) Aug 21 21:06:09 i told them it was cool... Aug 21 21:06:10 ah well Aug 21 21:06:37 just installed emacspaek on the . finally i can irc with my eyes closed and save energy too phon Aug 21 21:06:42 OSS supports independent mixer control for each application. It has a cleaner, more direct way of accessing the hardware... It's used a lot by Arch Linux folks who are famous for finding ways to build minimalist systems. Aug 21 21:07:17 jjwc: alsa supports independent mixer controls for each app as well, no need for PA. Aug 21 21:07:55 It does? I've never seen that. Aug 21 21:07:56 lindi2: did you compile that? Aug 21 21:08:16 jjwc: i'm not sure OSS4 has anything comparable to ASoC framework and that is something quite valuable for driver developers. Aug 21 21:09:01 somebody could actually write decent frontends for alsa to do that sort of stuff... Aug 21 21:09:11 Undrwater: no i use debian sorry Aug 21 21:09:12 I mean gui utilities Aug 21 21:09:36 is there a bb for emacspeak? Aug 21 21:09:41 mjr: there's no way a gui utility can provide all the power hidden in alsa config files. Aug 21 21:10:31 PaulFertser: so i should install 2009.x? Aug 21 21:10:34 lindi2: you can also (cross) compie for debian! Aug 21 21:10:47 Undrwater: i'm afraid i don't know that either Aug 21 21:10:56 Ddorda1: either that or SHR and i'd recommend SHR. And if you want Debian, just install Debian. Aug 21 21:11:11 * Kero built a debian arm cross compiler today, for a CM-X300 board that comes with a debian distro Aug 21 21:11:16 Kero: i spent more than one day trying to cross-compile emacs. Aug 21 21:11:33 mjr: jjwc: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/twinklephone/message/1731 Aug 21 21:11:46 (alsa trick for independent volume controls) Aug 21 21:11:51 PaulFertser: OM isn't recommended? Aug 21 21:12:08 don't think I ever cross compiled emacs. I stopped at ruby and a set of gtk/gnome libraries, which is daunting enough Aug 21 21:12:26 Ddorda1: at least by me Aug 21 21:12:44 and I have no idea whether today's X compiler is any good. It does hello, world, though. Aug 21 21:12:54 Ddorda1: i haven't seen Nytowl for ages, i don't think he continues to actively work on the distro. Aug 21 21:13:00 PaulFertser: and how about om 2009? Aug 21 21:13:04 i should teach eflite a bit on how to pronounce all those acronyms in a meanigful way :) Aug 21 21:13:30 Ddorda: I was using OM2009 for a while, it isn't bad, but it seems like there isn't much active dev. I definitely prefer SHR. Aug 21 21:13:36 Ddorda: om2009 is one-man project, Angus Ainslie (sorry, i'm bad at remembering names?), his irc nick is nytowl Aug 21 21:14:00 but i liked that booting boot ( Aug 21 21:14:01 :(* Aug 21 21:14:07 Ddorda: booting boot? Aug 21 21:14:18 I wish i had the weed you smoke ;) Aug 21 21:14:19 yes, the boot image when booting Aug 21 21:14:27 i know the booting boot :) Aug 21 21:14:46 i liked it too Aug 21 21:14:47 The bootiful boot image of a boot when booting Aug 21 21:14:47 Ddorda: why don't you use it with any other distro than? Aug 21 21:14:59 http://www.teaparty.net/technotes/data/openmoko-asu-boot.jpeg Aug 21 21:15:18 oh.. i thought it something depends on the distro... Aug 21 21:15:52 you can dfu-util the bootsplash...dunno if that one is around tho Aug 21 21:16:07 there must be a manual way to do the bootsplash Aug 21 21:16:40 SHR is faster? and run the same apps as OM? Aug 21 21:16:58 SHR is fast enough to be sort of usable daily. Aug 21 21:17:13 i saw a ball game on om2008 which i really liked Aug 21 21:17:24 You just need to switch the theme and change the rendering engine (see the Tweaks page on the SHR website). Aug 21 21:17:40 or the shr user manual Aug 21 21:17:58 Ddorda: what app was that? Aug 21 21:18:06 The load time for applications is painfully slow, so I usually just keep the Dialer app open. Aug 21 21:18:09 ermm.. i have no idea what's the name of it Aug 21 21:18:18 Ddorda: mokomaze? Aug 21 21:18:23 might be Aug 21 21:18:24 But the ARM 7 is no powerhorse. :P Aug 21 21:18:28 Ddorda: the rolling and falling ball Aug 21 21:18:42 indeed Aug 21 21:18:42 oh...thought you mean ball game as in baseball or football...like on TV or video :P Aug 21 21:18:57 streaming Aug 21 21:18:58 Ddorda: yes, mokomaze is cool, the only game i use on FR :) Aug 21 21:19:06 FR? Aug 21 21:19:37 i like to run the ball into the edges Aug 21 21:19:41 Ddorda: freerunner. Of course it works on SHR. And it's installable by simple "opkg install mokomaze". BTW, forget about downloading .opk from opkg.org! Aug 21 21:22:14 for now, before i start installing on the machine, i can't even connect it to the PC Aug 21 21:22:44 you don't have a cable? Aug 21 21:23:16 i do, but can't find the OM on the PC Aug 21 21:24:17 what have you tried? Aug 21 21:25:27 Undrwater: (cable) LOL Aug 21 21:25:55 :D Aug 21 21:26:41 erm. how can i be sure if it's usb0 or wth0? Aug 21 21:26:44 eth0* Aug 21 21:26:49 Ddorda: read dmesg Aug 21 21:26:52 Ddorda: obviously Aug 21 21:30:00 how can i be sure if it's usb0 or eth0? i don't see usb0 on ifconfig but if i disconnect the OM from the PC i can still see eth0, so i'm a little confused.. Aug 21 21:30:12 Ddorda: read dmesg Aug 21 21:33:07 Ddorda: do you know dmesg? Aug 21 21:33:29 yes, but i'm not sure what will tell me if it's that or that :P Aug 21 21:33:46 i grep of dmesg shows me answers for both Aug 21 21:33:59 so...you should see a change in what dmesg writes on your screen when you plug in / pull out Aug 21 21:34:16 when you plug in you "might" get an interface Aug 21 21:34:19 tried.. shows nothing Aug 21 21:34:25 what distro? Aug 21 21:35:04 Ubuntu Aug 21 21:36:08 you may need to modprobe the CDC_ETHER... PaulFertser do you know the module name? Aug 21 21:36:38 cdc_ether? Aug 21 21:36:51 could be...i have it compiled in... Aug 21 21:36:53 [ 1174.009544] usb0: unregister 'cdc_ether' usb-0000:00:13.0-2, CDC Ethernet Device Aug 21 21:37:08 there it s Aug 21 21:37:22 that's after you pulled it out? Aug 21 21:37:29 nope Aug 21 21:37:38 after i pulled it back in Aug 21 21:38:04 plugged? Aug 21 21:38:15 yes.. i guess so :P Aug 21 21:38:30 ifconfig -a do you see usb0?> Aug 21 21:38:47 nope Aug 21 21:38:57 using the cable the phone came with? Aug 21 21:39:15 indeed Aug 21 21:39:33 lsmod shows cdc_ether? Aug 21 21:40:23 dor@dor-laptop:/etc/apm/event.d$ lsmod |grep cdc_ether Aug 21 21:40:23 cdc_ether 13184 0 Aug 21 21:40:23 usbnet 23944 1 cdc_ether Aug 21 21:40:39 oh yea...what distro on the phone? Aug 21 21:40:50 OM2008 Aug 21 21:41:08 that might be the problem Aug 21 21:41:21 it may not be setting networking up for you Aug 21 21:41:46 erm.. you mean i can't set up network? Aug 21 21:41:51 flash a more modern distro, you'll probably succeed Aug 21 21:42:34 i'll read a little about it... Aug 21 21:42:43 some of the earlier distros didn't have usbnet starting at boot... Aug 21 21:43:29 it's OM2008.9 i think Aug 21 21:43:30 2008 was cute that way...didn't include terminal to get usb networking started, couldn't ssh in with usb :) Aug 21 21:44:47 :S Aug 21 21:45:17 i should have do more reaerch before ordering the machine with OM :( Aug 21 21:45:38 Ddorda: Don't fret -installing SHR is really easy... Aug 21 21:45:54 especially if you don't have any data on the system already ... Aug 21 21:47:58 Ddorda: truly: install shr Aug 21 21:48:09 wjbaird: i'm just new user, it's a scares me a little Aug 21 21:50:27 you won't break anything Aug 21 21:50:47 Ddorda: Yeah, but trust me, trying to make the FR a usable phone with OM2008 is *INFINITELY* scarier than installing SHR. Aug 21 21:51:04 agreed Aug 21 21:51:34 Ddorda: install neo-tool...it's a gui for doing the flashing Aug 21 21:52:18 Ddorda: Good luck - and don't worry too much, reflashing is pretty safe... I've gotta log off now... enjoy! Aug 21 21:53:05 it's not like flashing your mobo or anything Aug 21 21:54:16 okay, thanks :D Aug 21 23:28:41 openmoko: 03werner * r5517 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (TODO postscript.c): (log message trimmed) Aug 21 23:28:41 openmoko: Improving Postscript output (on-going) Aug 21 23:28:41 openmoko: - postscript.c: added page layout parameters and header Aug 21 23:28:41 openmoko: - postscript.c: increase initial size for maxfont from 100 to 1000, so that we Aug 21 23:28:41 openmoko: don't end up with zero-sized fonts for zoom = 1 Aug 21 23:28:44 openmoko: - postscript.c: desired size of measurement text is no longer affected by zoom Aug 21 23:28:46 openmoko: - postscript.c: roughly doubled size of measurement text Aug 21 23:41:32 damn Aug 21 23:41:45 though tomtom is arm, its binaries dont run on the FR Aug 21 23:44:38 different arm i believe Aug 21 23:46:01 <|Marco|> have any of you try'd openwrt on the neo ? Aug 21 23:51:49 Anyone use their OM as their day to day use phone (amongst for hacking?) ... tempted to get one but fearing it'd come short on being... a reliable phone... Aug 21 23:54:00 (I don't want to have to carry two phones in case the OM decides to die on me randomly.) Aug 21 23:58:32 several devs here do Aug 21 23:59:08 you have to be careful as to what you do with it - and what images you install - but it works. Aug 22 00:07:42 Works well enough for me, though I'm not a heavy phone user Aug 22 00:10:58 there is no ubuntu package for neotool Aug 22 00:35:54 how to install SHR? Aug 22 00:41:03 Ddorda: Download the image, and flash your moko Aug 22 00:41:47 i saw in the guide that i need 2 files Aug 22 00:41:56 but only one link works Aug 22 00:42:00 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_User_Manual Aug 22 00:42:38 jffs2 is for µSD too? Aug 22 00:43:26 You don't need to flash the uSD Aug 22 00:43:49 so what i have to do exactly? Aug 22 00:43:56 Suft take the jffs2 and flash the rootfs and the uImage for kernel Aug 22 00:44:01 Just* Aug 22 00:44:11 okay Aug 22 00:44:29 i will fix the wiki than Aug 22 00:45:33 It's the standard method to flash... Aug 22 00:46:30 tarball is the uimage? Aug 22 00:47:13 The file with the name with "uImage" in the beginning Aug 22 00:49:26 the latest uimage is from the 2nd to august, and the latest jffs2 is from the 8thm it's suppose to be that way? Aug 22 00:58:30 Etu: i'm trying to use neotool to make the flashing Aug 22 00:58:36 but i get an error Aug 22 00:59:11 Some error occured while flashing rootfs. Error message: No DFU capable USB device found Any other pending flashes will be aborted. Aug 22 00:59:18 Ddorda: Why dont just use the linux dfu-util from the package mirror? Aug 22 01:00:18 can you link me? Aug 22 01:00:41 I used: sudo apt-get install dfu-util Aug 22 01:00:57 or: sudo emerge dfu-util Aug 22 01:01:32 did Aug 22 01:06:09 Etu: "No DFU capable USB device found" Aug 22 01:06:35 it's connected well to the PC Aug 22 01:06:53 dfu-util -l Aug 22 01:07:17 Have you hold the AUX button to get into the boot-menu? Aug 22 01:07:26 yes Aug 22 01:07:51 i see a menu "u-boot ...... may 9 2008 ... " Aug 22 01:08:01 it's right? Aug 22 01:08:08 yep Aug 22 01:09:19 dfu-util -l gives nothing Aug 22 01:09:48 Change USB-port? Aug 22 01:10:38 again Aug 22 01:13:07 :( Aug 22 01:18:52 Etu: ..? Aug 22 01:19:05 Hmmm, I don't know... Aug 22 01:19:20 oh =\ Aug 22 01:19:30 i will try the other PC, cause this laptop sax Aug 22 02:14:02 lindi-: waht? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 22 02:59:57 2009