**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 24 02:59:57 2009
Aug 24 03:19:28 <Infoport> aarg, what is the alternative to using "tar -xzfv " on the FR?
Aug 24 03:28:01 <Infoport> tar on the Openmoko doesnt recognize the z option (for ungzipping)
Aug 24 03:28:38 <Kagee> gunzip ?
Aug 24 03:29:21 <Infoport> hmmm gunzip seems to be there, I wonder why you cant untar it with z?
Aug 24 03:32:11 <Infoport> Kagee ok thanks, I guess I needed someone with a great grasp of the obvious! :-D gunzip < foo.tgz | tar xvf - worked great
Aug 24 03:33:49 <Infoport> I stopped being able to make calls on SHR, had to reflash with the current image
Aug 24 08:45:01 <djp`> any uk users of the freerunner here?
Aug 24 10:22:00 <tomcatek> anyone got g_file_storage to work?
Aug 24 10:22:55 <lindi-> tomcatek: read my bug rpeort
Aug 24 10:23:13 <tomcatek> it's showing up as a "usb mass storage device" but there is no disk drive created
Aug 24 10:28:15 <CosmicDuck> Hi, some days ago I said the GSM Chip did not find the SIM in my new Neo. I'd upgraded the neo to 16.06.2009 OM2009 distro testing.
Aug 24 10:28:55 <CosmicDuck> Now I've downgraded to OM2008.9 distro and it is working. Is it possible the OM2009 testing distro is defekt?
Aug 24 10:30:09 <lindi-> tomcatek: i hope you found the report
Aug 24 10:30:28 <lindi-> CosmicDuck: compare serial traffic between those
Aug 24 10:33:22 <tomcatek> lindi-: yes I did. I'm wondering what value should i put into /proc/sysrq-trigger
Aug 24 10:33:46 <djp`> is the openmoko freerunner ready for everyday phone use at present or should i be looking elsewhere if i wish to replace my current mobile?
Aug 24 10:34:35 <tomcatek> djp`: I'm using it as my only phone
Aug 24 10:34:45 <mjr> depends, it's good enough for me but I'm not a heavy phone user
Aug 24 10:34:55 <lindi-> tomcatek: what do you mean what value?
Aug 24 10:34:55 <tomcatek> djp`: it have some issues, but I can live with them
Aug 24 10:35:02 <mjr> has been somewhat stable with current software in my experience though...
Aug 24 10:36:06 <CosmicDuck> lindi-: Could you give me a hint where it was discussed?
Aug 24 10:36:08 <djp`> like you mjr, i'm not a heavy phone user either. what issues are you referring to tomcatek?
Aug 24 10:36:37 <lindi-> CosmicDuck: serial ports and linux?
Aug 24 10:36:57 <tomcatek> lindi-: it's said, thtat timing is the problem. I wonder how to adjust it
Aug 24 10:36:58 <CosmicDuck> lindi- Do you mean the problem with the at commands?
Aug 24 10:37:23 <lindi-> djp`: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Lindi describes my setup
Aug 24 10:37:27 <lindi-> djp`: it has links to bug reports
Aug 24 10:37:29 <tomcatek> djp`: no mms (for now) risky upgrades
Aug 24 10:37:48 <lindi-> tomcatek: by fixing the bug? ;)
Aug 24 10:38:27 <lindi-> CosmicDuck: if you have setup A that works and setup B that does not work. you can easily understand the issue by comparing what data is sent and received to gsm chip in each case
Aug 24 10:38:27 <tomcatek> lindi-: unfortunately I'm not the "kernel hacking guru" ;P
Aug 24 10:38:33 <djp`> my concerns have arisen from an email i've received from a distributor. i quote, "besides, consider again, it is NO everyday phone, I have the feeling you expect too much."
Aug 24 10:38:36 <lindi-> tomcatek: me neither, that's why I reported it as a bug
Aug 24 10:38:48 <djp`> thanks for the link lindi-
Aug 24 10:41:20 <lindi-> djp`: but indeed, if you don't have time to debug stuff don't buy the phone :)
Aug 24 10:42:45 <CosmicDuck> lindi-: I'm not really understand all what you mean. I'd ask only that there is a known issue here that sim registering of gsm chip will not work with latest testing release (in my opinion from 16.06.2009) of OM2009. If nobody knows about a problem I will test and will try to write an bug report. But first I will test the latest "stable" OM2009 distro before do this.
Aug 24 10:43:05 <djp`> lindi-, sure. i was basically hoping that in terms of making and receiving calls the phone would be working 'out of the box'.
Aug 24 10:43:13 <lindi-> CosmicDuck: i am not using om2009
Aug 24 10:43:20 <lindi-> CosmicDuck: so i can not answer your question in that form.
Aug 24 10:43:44 <lindi-> CosmicDuck: I only have one phone you know, i can't start reinstalling it with some specific distro for every question :(
Aug 24 10:43:57 * mjr is using some shm version a while back and the latest gsm firmware, it works pretty decently as a phone
Aug 24 10:44:02 <mjr> shr
Aug 24 10:44:03 <lindi-> CosmicDuck: but I can teach you to debug issues in a distro-independent fashion
Aug 24 10:44:33 <lindi-> djp`: the calypso gsm chip is really not very stable. there are reproducible ways to crash it
Aug 24 10:45:51 <djp`> lindi-, thanks. it does seem that the freerunner may not be suitable as an everyday mobile phone for myself at present unfoprtunately... :(
Aug 24 10:46:26 <lindi-> djp`: we don't have source code to the gsm stack on the separate processor, can't do much in the future either
Aug 24 10:47:41 <djp`> lindi- so for making and receiving calls, the freerunner isn't reliable? 
Aug 24 10:48:03 <Weiss> djp`: i use my FR as my daily phone (in the UK), my biggest issues are: entering text is fiddly (but there are other keyboard choices), and call volume is quite low. but i haven't missed a call in recent memory
Aug 24 10:48:29 <PaulFertser> djp`: i guess it mostly depends on software, not gsm firmware. No doubt it sucks, but it works most of the time, at least for making/receiving calls.
Aug 24 10:48:52 <djp`> Weiss, thanks.
Aug 24 10:49:02 <lindi-> PaulFertser: it depends on gsm firmware too, no existig distro uses a watchdog to detect crashes for example
Aug 24 10:49:22 <PaulFertser> lindi-: that's right. But have you seen any crashes when not using GPRS?
Aug 24 10:49:30 <djp`> may i pm you Weiss? i like some input from a uk user ideally
Aug 24 10:49:55 <Weiss> better to keep it in the channel so that other people can read, but i don't mind
Aug 24 10:50:06 <djp`> np, i'll keep in channel
Aug 24 10:50:41 <lindi-> PaulFertser: i have not been able to identify any yet
Aug 24 10:51:13 <lindi-> PaulFertser: currently the watchdog often kills the software stack when we are not registered to network. it does not distinguish between that and calypso crash
Aug 24 10:51:29 <CosmicDuck> The problem with hanging gsm I've seen on other mobiles, too, I mean.
Aug 24 10:51:30 <lindi-> PaulFertser: how do I tell the difference easily?
Aug 24 10:52:56 <djp`> weiss, the distributor in question supplies a FR without the buzz fix. they said that only about 2 in 50 units are affected by the buzz. if i needed to get it fixed they would do so for free, though i'd have to return the FR to germany. i basically just want to use the FR on a pay as you go contract, probably with t-mobile, but if you recommend another provider that's not an issue. i will only be making the odd call 
Aug 24 10:52:56 <djp`> and receving calls mostly. i'd also like to be able to receive and send text messages. that's it really.
Aug 24 10:53:21 <PaulFertser> lindi-: hm, without a debug output... Probably by not powering the modem off after that and by restarting only muxer which should try to close the mux mode first and then re-establish it etc...
Aug 24 10:53:50 <PaulFertser> djp`: no, every single unit is affected by the buzz.
Aug 24 10:54:14 <PaulFertser> djp`: the buzz depends on your location, not on the device.
Aug 24 10:54:46 <lindi-> PaulFertser: but how do I talk to gsm0710muxd?
Aug 24 10:54:48 <Weiss> djp`: i haven't had buzz issues (that people have complained about, and i often ask) on O2 in the Cambridge area, bits of London, and (roaming) in Hamburg. but listen to PaulFertser..
Aug 24 10:55:11 <lindi-> PaulFertser: since frameworkd here starts gsm0710muxd
Aug 24 10:55:11 <PaulFertser> djp`: if you're lucky like Weiss you won't have that too.
Aug 24 10:55:29 <PaulFertser> lindi-: modify the sources to remove modem powering on/off probably?
Aug 24 10:55:41 <PaulFertser> lindi-: btw, fso-abyss is supposed to be better. And that's proven.
Aug 24 10:55:53 <djp`> PaulFertser, so it is incorrect for the distributor to be telling me that only (it was actually) 1 in 50 (just checked the email)? that concerns me...
Aug 24 10:56:04 <lindi-> PaulFertser: proven?
Aug 24 10:56:37 <djp`> PaulFertser, concerns me about the distributor that is...
Aug 24 10:57:51 <djp`> Weiss, thanks. well i'm in the london area. i've noticed a few people speak of using o2, so if i was to buy a FR i'd probably use them.
Aug 24 10:59:44 <djp`> Weiss, the distributor in question has said they don't open sealed units before shipping. however, if as PaulFertser states, all units are affected, i'd prefer them to do so and apply the buzz fix. they say that there is no feature difference between the a6 and a7 also.
Aug 24 11:01:29 <Weiss> yes.. i think it's best to get a buzz-fixed model if you can (especially if there's no price increase..?), then you won't have to worry about it. the only reason i haven't had mine buzz-fixed is that i'd get incredibly bored not being able to hack on it for two weeks or so (i'm working intensely on low-level graphics stuff at the moment)
Aug 24 11:01:56 <Weiss> i'll probably get it done when i start my job in Germany
Aug 24 11:03:51 <djp`> Weiss, i'll email the distributor and see if i can get the fix done before shipping. if they agree i think i'll purchase. sounds like for the odd call etc., it should be ok (hopefully!). i'm not he greatest of gamblers you see! ;)
Aug 24 11:05:55 <Weiss> same here.. i always choose the option with the least uncertainty
Aug 24 11:12:14 <djp`> Weiss, I have emailed the distributor. I'll let you know how i get on. :)
Aug 24 11:12:26 <djp`> thanks all for your advice and input.
Aug 24 11:13:26 <Weiss> no problem :)
Aug 24 12:57:59 <CosmicDuck> Argh....after new install of OM2009 the GSM has been found my sim. But after an complete upgrade with opkg update/upgrade it fails now again.....
Aug 24 12:59:00 <CosmicDuck> Which software is talking with the gsm chip? Parrot or conman?
Aug 24 13:00:08 <Etu> What is conman? In OM terms?
Aug 24 13:17:40 <Zork|Work> any native japanese people awake?
Aug 24 13:22:46 <DocScrutinizer> CosmicDuck: Etu: connman is for internet connections (nainly WiFi) it has nothing to do with generic gsm access
Aug 24 13:23:39 <DocScrutinizer> CosmicDuck: fso framework is "talking to gsm chip". Mainly gsm0710muxd/fso-abyss
Aug 24 13:23:39 <Etu> DocScrutinizer: Oke :), conman is also a small project for setting up pages a friend is working on
Aug 24 13:23:45 <Etu> :)
Aug 24 13:28:56 <CosmicDuck> DocScrutinizer2: Ok, I will reinstall the neo and will prevent the upgrade of frameworkd to check it the problem comes from there
Aug 24 13:35:39 <CIA-52> openmoko: 03werner * r5533 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (cpu.sch io.sch): (log message trimmed)
Aug 24 13:35:39 <CIA-52> openmoko: CPU and IO global label fixes by Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
Aug 24 13:35:39 <CIA-52> openmoko: - cpu.sch: changed nACCEL_CS from (CPU) input to output
Aug 24 13:35:39 <CIA-52> openmoko: - cpu.sch: changed ACCEL_SPICLK from (CPU) input to output
Aug 24 13:35:39 <CIA-52> openmoko: - cpu.sch: changed ACCEL_SPIMOSI from (CPU) input to output
Aug 24 13:35:42 <CIA-52> openmoko: - cpu.sch: renamed IO1 to GSM_INT
Aug 24 13:35:44 <CIA-52> openmoko: - cpu.sch: removed duplicate CHIP_PWD (on top of the other)
Aug 24 14:28:03 <blan> hi, does anyone know what is the f*cking error message "Superblock last mount time is in future" ?
Aug 24 14:29:41 <SpeedEvil> It means the last mount time of the filesystem was in the future
Aug 24 14:29:53 <SpeedEvil> Have you been travelling in time?
Aug 24 14:30:27 <SpeedEvil> If not, you probably have problems with your cock.
Aug 24 14:31:07 <nullix> clock ?
Aug 24 14:32:31 <SpeedEvil> oops - yes
Aug 24 14:32:44 <SpeedEvil> Sorry - I have keyboard problems.
Aug 24 14:32:51 <blan> SpeedEvil, how can i solv this problem?
Aug 24 14:32:51 <Weiss> hehe
Aug 24 14:32:55 <SpeedEvil> Mainly due to not looking at it or the screen while typing
Aug 24 14:33:12 <SpeedEvil> blan: set your clock properly. However - that shouldn't be a fatal errror
Aug 24 14:33:45 <blan> SpeedEvil, its hard to set time without complete bootprocess ;)
Aug 24 14:34:14 <SpeedEvil> So ignore the error
Aug 24 14:34:43 <blan> SpeedEvil, how can i ignore it when it stops my boot-process?
Aug 24 14:35:07 <SpeedEvil> I'm doubtfull that that's stopping your boot process
Aug 24 14:35:36 <SpeedEvil> is there any error message - or does it just stop after that?
Aug 24 14:36:11 <blan> "Press Control+D or Enter"
Aug 24 14:36:23 <blan> funny without keyboard
Aug 24 14:36:56 <SpeedEvil> :)
Aug 24 14:37:07 <SpeedEvil> you might be able to plugin a keyb
Aug 24 14:37:09 <SpeedEvil> however
Aug 24 14:37:13 <SpeedEvil> what dist is this?
Aug 24 14:37:20 <blan> debian
Aug 24 14:37:40 <blan> fsck died with exit status 4
Aug 24 14:38:08 <blan> A manual fsck must be performed then the system restarted
Aug 24 14:38:37 <blan> is the message on my screen
Aug 24 14:40:49 <SpeedEvil> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=540575
Aug 24 14:40:52 <SpeedEvil> looks possible
Aug 24 14:41:53 <SpeedEvil> http://osdir.com/ml/debian-bugs-dist/2009-08/msg02359.html
Aug 24 14:42:06 <SpeedEvil> Also indications it's prolly fixed on lates t ext2tools
Aug 24 14:47:21 <CosmicDuck> Ok, install the root filesystem again is finished. Will check now the sim is registering correctly than will upgrade all without the frameworkd.
Aug 24 14:53:26 <CosmicDuck> Ok, fresh install OM2009 will register my sim and ask me the pin. Connecting the Mobilenetwork is working well
Aug 24 15:05:51 <CosmicDuck> Ok, upgrading without framworkd and frameworkd-config did not affect the problem with the sim registering.
Aug 24 15:20:16 <blan> does anybody know more about the problem with the kernel-message (desktop-pc) "unable to enumerate USB device" ?
Aug 24 15:23:23 <CosmicDuck> blan: windows?
Aug 24 15:23:33 <blan> CosmicDuck, no linux
Aug 24 15:23:52 <CosmicDuck> ban: <- headshoot....kernel message in windows...hehe
Aug 24 15:23:55 <blan> there are postings on the mailingliste about this problem but i cant find a solution
Aug 24 15:24:07 <CosmicDuck> sorry i mean me
Aug 24 15:24:22 <CosmicDuck> Wait, I had it some time ago, too
Aug 24 15:24:28 <CosmicDuck> must remember
Aug 24 15:24:57 <blan> CosmicDuck, and you could fix it?
Aug 24 15:25:58 <CosmicDuck> blan: I mean it was a bus power problem. Yes I put an powered usb hub between my notebook and my device.
Aug 24 15:26:48 <blan> CosmicDuck, hmm bus power
Aug 24 15:26:52 <CosmicDuck> the hub could give ore than 500mA to the device so the problem was gone...it was an new style external 2,5" disk
Aug 24 15:27:23 <blan> 2,5" disk?
Aug 24 15:28:17 <CosmicDuck> with my old 2,5" disk the problem wasn't occur because it has only grab 500mA...but some devices need more than 500mA and so the internal usb hub has been shut down the port.
Aug 24 15:28:50 <blan> CosmicDuck, yes but i talk about the freerunner
Aug 24 15:29:07 <CosmicDuck> With the hub the problem was gone...with the neo it looks like you have put them on an unpowered hub which can only spend  100mA
Aug 24 15:29:09 <ftn> Hey there. I installed om2009 and I was wondering how can I stop paroli being full screen. I tried changing settings->display->profile but nothing happened. Any help_ pls
Aug 24 15:30:05 <blan> can i use freerunner as network device without driver in windows too?
Aug 24 15:30:45 <CosmicDuck> ftn: today same problem: make an opkg update and than upgrade the paroli packages (shown wit opkg list_upgradable)
Aug 24 15:31:08 <CosmicDuck> blan: Do you have plugged the neo to an internal usb port on your workstation?
Aug 24 15:31:23 <blan> CosmicDuck, yes
Aug 24 15:31:32 <ftn> alright, thanks CosmicDuck>
Aug 24 15:31:34 <blan> yesterday it works fine
Aug 24 15:32:17 <CosmicDuck> blan: It should work but I've never used it becaus could not bring it to an running state. With linux it's simple
Aug 24 15:32:45 <blan> CosmicDuck, it was simple with linux
Aug 24 15:33:50 <blan> now it does not work
Aug 24 15:33:56 <CosmicDuck> blan: lsusb shows the neo ? Replugging the neo said some messages that the neo ethernetdevice is found?
Aug 24 15:34:15 <blan> no lsusb does not show neo
Aug 24 15:34:21 <blan> repluggin does not work
Aug 24 15:34:27 <blan> same kernel message
Aug 24 15:34:35 <blan> neo says "usb0 is not ready"
Aug 24 15:34:46 <CosmicDuck> which distro do you have installed on your neo?
Aug 24 15:35:37 <blan> Om2009.12 and debian
Aug 24 15:35:41 <blan> debian on sd
Aug 24 15:36:00 <CosmicDuck> ftn: Be aware at my neo there is a problem after upgrading frameworkd and frameworkd-config packages: sim could not further been found so gsm is not working.
Aug 24 15:36:29 <CosmicDuck> om2009.12 should give you an usb0 network device on your workstation.
Aug 24 15:36:42 <CosmicDuck> aehm om2008.12
Aug 24 15:37:05 <CosmicDuck> blan: with debian i have no idea.
Aug 24 15:37:05 <blan> yes CosmicDuck 
Aug 24 15:37:21 <CosmicDuck> All
Aug 24 15:37:23 <blan> yesterday it works with debian and Om2008.12
Aug 24 15:37:45 <CosmicDuck> blan: and another usb port? What says dmesg on your neo?
Aug 24 15:38:07 <CosmicDuck> Do you have switched the usb device on the neo to become a host?
Aug 24 15:38:13 <blan> CosmicDuck, how can i use dmesg with Om2008.12?
Aug 24 15:38:57 <CosmicDuck> blan: looks like you didn't installed a terminal software
Aug 24 15:39:06 <blan> CosmicDuck, yes
Aug 24 15:42:02 <CosmicDuck> all: Ok it looks like there is a problem at upgrading frameworkd and/or frameworkd-config. At upgrading only frameworkd I get some errormessages:
Aug 24 15:42:28 <CosmicDuck> Configuring frameworkd System startup links for /etc/init.d/frameworkd already exist.Stopping freesmartphone.org framework daemon: stopped process in pidfile '/var/run/frameworkd.pid' (pid 1604)(done)Starting freesmartphone.org framework daemon: (ok)Configuring libgee0xsystem: ERROR: fork failed before execution: `//usr/lib/opkg/info/libgee0.postinst configure'postinst script returned status -1Configuring libfsoframework0xsystem: ERROR: fork failed bef
Aug 24 15:42:28 <CosmicDuck> /libfsoframework0.postinst configure'postinst script returned status -1Collected errors: * ERROR: libgee0.postinst returned -1 * ERROR: libfsoframework0.postinst returned -1
Aug 24 15:46:51 <blan> CosmicDuck, now kernel-message additional tells me: "device not accepting address 5, error -71"
Aug 24 15:47:05 <CosmicDuck> At upgrading frameworkd-configure opkg is asking for overwriting the configuration files with the defaults. In the past I had said y. What do you mean, should I prevent the old configurations from overwriting by using n?
Aug 24 15:47:56 <CosmicDuck> blan: no idea. Do you have changed something since it has run?
Aug 24 15:48:28 <dos1> CosmicDuck: did you have latest opkg?
Aug 24 15:48:56 <dos1> CosmicDuck: oh, om2009, nevermind
Aug 24 15:49:01 <CosmicDuck> dos1: Did it comes from the opkg upgrade?
Aug 24 15:49:38 <blan> now it works
Aug 24 15:49:39 <blan> oO
Aug 24 15:49:43 <blan> fucking bug
Aug 24 15:51:02 <CosmicDuck> ok, I've made a manual opkg upgrade libgee0 (which was installed by upgrade frameworkd) but for safe made an opkg install -force-reinstall libgee0
Aug 24 15:51:24 <CosmicDuck> Now it won't gives error messages:
Aug 24 15:51:53 <CosmicDuck> root@om-gta02:~# opkg install libgee0Package libgee0 (0.1.5+gitr97390ee5198938588e3ebf0281aba15e5d778247-r0) installed in root is up to date.Configuring libgee0Configuring libfsoframework0root@om-gta02:~# opkg install -force-reinstall libgee0Reinstalling libgee0 (0.1.5+gitr97390ee5198938588e3ebf0281aba15e5d778247-r0) on root...Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/armv4t/libgee0_0.1.5+gitr97390ee5198938588e3ebf0281aba15e5d778247-
Aug 24 16:07:11 <Undrwater> upgrade killed gsm again in shr?
Aug 24 16:08:02 <CosmicDuck> Undrwater: You know about a problem with upgrade on 2009 and not working sim reg on gsm?
Aug 24 16:08:18 <Undrwater> i'm using shr...not 2009
Aug 24 16:08:34 <Undrwater> but both use fso, so i guess similar problems...if they're using same version
Aug 24 16:08:59 <CosmicDuck> Undrwater: possible same problem? without upgrading frameworkd* all still fine.
Aug 24 16:10:08 <Undrwater> this morning's upgrade killed gsm for me...last night's upgrade brought back gsm when the previous upgrade (before last night) killed it :)
Aug 24 16:10:17 <Undrwater> so i'm guessing next upgrade will fix it again
Aug 24 16:10:26 <Undrwater> life on the edge
Aug 24 16:11:13 <Undrwater> never mind...it just registered
Aug 24 16:13:25 <CosmicDuck> Ok, for all: Upgrading framworkd brings some messages that configuring of libgee0 and frameworkd has been failed. An reinstall of libgee0 could fix this.
Aug 24 16:13:40 <CosmicDuck> Now last test: Upgrade of framworkd-config
Aug 24 16:53:50 <CIA-52> openmoko: 03werner * r5534 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (10 files in 3 dirs): 
Aug 24 16:53:50 <CIA-52> openmoko: - renamed directory screens/ to manual/
Aug 24 16:53:50 <CIA-52> openmoko: - convert icons in the manual from XPM to PNG so that Firefox can display them
Aug 24 16:53:50 <CIA-52> openmoko:  too
Aug 24 17:04:12 <CIA-52> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r36d9f6a6b523 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_powersupply/plugin.vala: fsodeviced: kernel26_powersupply: fix dbus query methods
Aug 24 17:04:13 <CIA-52> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rc05cee8ac6d5 10/ (9 files in 6 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:cornucopia
Aug 24 17:04:14 <CIA-52> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * racaac0d31f6c 10/ (18 files in 5 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:cornucopia
Aug 24 17:04:16 <CIA-52> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r03ca7640995f 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:cornucopia
Aug 24 17:04:19 <CIA-52> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rfe62a26ebd13 10/misc-vapi/vapi/linux26.vapi: misc-vapi: linux26: bind timegm(3)
Aug 24 17:10:04 <CosmicDuck> ok, after upgrading frameworkd-config the gsm - sim registering ist not further working.
Aug 24 17:12:18 <CIA-52> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * re6ace93d37f7 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_rtc/plugin.vala: fsodeviced: kernel26_rtc: do not use mktime as it's using local time (d'oh!), better use timegm which uses UTC
Aug 24 17:16:21 <thegreen4me> Has anyone tried putting a camera on the freerunner?
Aug 24 17:16:58 <thegreen4me> I know the Smedia Glamo 3362 has an unused camera interface
Aug 24 17:18:08 <PBeck> ahoi :)
Aug 24 17:18:23 <thegreen4me> You guys sure are a quiet bunch
Aug 24 17:19:07 <Wonka> so what? ;)
Aug 24 18:11:38 <blan> where is get xglamo for xorg?
Aug 24 18:20:58 <Weiss> blan: xglamo is the name given to the kdrive driver. for xorg, you need xf86-video-glamo. source code is available from git.openmoko.org (branch "master")
Aug 24 18:40:43 <DocScrutinizer> thegreen4me: nobody yet
Aug 24 18:41:12 <thegreen4me> oh well, thanks for looking
Aug 24 18:41:40 <DocScrutinizer> it's considered too much effort actually
Aug 24 18:41:58 <DocScrutinizer> usb-cam is easier to implement
Aug 24 18:42:24 <DocScrutinizer> on a unique device base
Aug 24 18:42:39 <DocScrutinizer> for MP things were different for sure
Aug 24 18:43:37 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: Is hte cambus even brotught out?
Aug 24 18:44:04 <DocScrutinizer> afair yes, some R-nets
Aug 24 18:44:28 <DocScrutinizer> pd
Aug 24 18:44:37 <SpeedEvil> For MP - USB cam is stupid.
Aug 24 18:44:46 <SpeedEvil> There are so many 'nice' cameras in teeny packages.
Aug 24 18:44:55 <DocScrutinizer> my words
Aug 24 18:45:12 <SpeedEvil> But for something that maybe 10 people are going to mod into their device - if that - ...
Aug 24 19:41:26 <CIA-52> openmoko: 03werner * r5535 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (modules/INFO modules/bga96-8x12-0mm8.fpd pmu.sch): 
Aug 24 19:41:26 <CIA-52> openmoko: - modules/bga96-8x12-0mm8.fpd: changed package name to FBGA96-P0.8
Aug 24 19:41:26 <CIA-52> openmoko: - pmu.sch: changed all R0402-H and Cxxxx-H packages to just 0402, etc.
Aug 24 20:07:25 <Slaxxer> i know its nice to see all those apps  at opkg.org,,,   but    they need to work if they are going to be ther
Aug 24 20:07:31 <Slaxxer> e
Aug 24 20:08:18 <Slaxxer> duke nukem  an doom  are 2 that are real showstoppers
Aug 24 20:13:00 <CIA-52> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r7ad30ed37960 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (7 files): opimd: Fix updating multiple fields
Aug 24 20:27:57 <CIA-52> openmoko: 03werner * r5536 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (5 files in 2 dirs): - added 332-FBGA for Samsung SC32442B
Aug 24 20:35:35 <henkie_> to the SHR ppl, please add portmap to the disto
Aug 24 20:38:22 <CIA-52> openmoko: 03rehar * r5537 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (audio.sch bt.sch): 
Aug 24 20:38:22 <CIA-52> openmoko: - BT: changed value of C1 to 200fF
Aug 24 20:38:22 <CIA-52> openmoko: - AUDIO: added additional ECNs
Aug 24 20:46:00 <CosmicDuck> Any idea how i can mount the fso*.jffs2 locally on my box?
Aug 24 20:48:37 <ndnihil> CosmicDuck: loop device
Aug 24 20:48:50 <wjbaird> CosmicDuck: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image
Aug 24 20:52:50 <CosmicDuck> uh.. more complex I though. no mount -o loop ....
Aug 24 20:53:09 <CosmicDuck> thank you
Aug 24 20:54:54 <xyzz> can gcc crosscompile for armv4t out of box or there is need for patching the upstream gcc?
Aug 24 20:55:42 <Weiss> xyzz: (as i understand it) no patches, but you have to configure it correctly
Aug 24 21:17:12 <DocScrutinizer> CosmicDuck: I think there's a wikipage on loopmounting jffs2
Aug 24 21:18:45 <CosmicDuck> DocSrutinizer: wjbaird already send the link. Thank you.
Aug 24 21:22:35 <xyzz> Weiss do you know any details?
Aug 24 21:24:44 <Weiss> of how to configure it? afraid not - i've never done it manually. for gdb though, it's as simple as ./configure --target=arm-linux-gnueabi
Aug 24 21:31:39 <peter_b> hi
Aug 24 21:32:01 <peter_b> any ideas how to get gps to work with the latest shr unstable ?
Aug 24 21:41:17 <lindi-> xyzz: it's very simple
Aug 24 21:42:50 <Graf_Ithaka> hi there :)
Aug 24 22:10:24 <xyzz> lindi- thats expected with gnu tools :)
Aug 24 22:33:58 <arg0_> anyone using using the Neo theme on shr?
Aug 24 22:48:16 <Graf_Ithaka> hi there, I wrote a little python-app using pyfluidsynth to play some midi-tones out of an SF2-file.. it works fine on my desktop but on the neo the sound is choppy, harsh and veeery bad.. I dont believe that its only the speakers - is the neo too 'weak' to handle fluidsynth?
Aug 24 23:20:17 <DocScrutinizer> Graf_Ithaka: probably fluidsynth is using floating point arithmetics. Neo's cpu has no hw-FPU
Aug 24 23:21:45 <Graf_Ithaka> DocScrutinizer: I kept an eye on CPU usage and its going on top when fluidsynth is used, so I think its primarily a hardware-problem, you're right :)
Aug 24 23:24:23 <DocScrutinizer> you might want to rewrite it to use longint instead of float
Aug 24 23:25:23 <max_posedon> may be compile with softfloat can fix it
Aug 24 23:25:36 <DocScrutinizer> that'll really make a speed diff. and might go unnoticed wrt audio quality loss
Aug 24 23:25:41 <max_posedon> but I still don't know what fp shr use
Aug 24 23:25:53 <max_posedon> (softfloat or kernel emulation)
Aug 24 23:27:13 <DocScrutinizer> max_posedon: I guess that depends on whether you link app against softfloat or not
Aug 24 23:27:52 <max_posedon> firstof all, it depends on how glibc compiled
Aug 24 23:28:00 <max_posedon> (and gcc, e.g. libgcc_s)
Aug 24 23:28:07 <Graf_Ithaka> hmm I'll have a look into that tomorrow.. its way too late now :) I'll better go get some sleep
Aug 24 23:28:19 <Graf_Ithaka> thx for your comments :)
Aug 24 23:28:51 <DocScrutinizer> still any float will bring a realtime app to a grinding halt
Aug 24 23:29:10 <DocScrutinizer> sf and kernel-emu
Aug 24 23:29:56 <max_posedon> I know that sf 10th faster than kernel-emu on armv4
Aug 24 23:30:10 <max_posedon> just becase cpu exceptions are slooooow
Aug 24 23:30:43 <DocScrutinizer> ok, maybe
Aug 24 23:31:00 <DocScrutinizer> stillnI don't see why we need float for audio
Aug 24 23:31:10 <DocScrutinizer> silly
Aug 24 23:31:26 <max_posedon> ok, anyway, shr is softfloat
Aug 24 23:31:45 <mjr> require isn't probably the point, rather somebody decided it's more convenient that way
Aug 24 23:32:05 <DocScrutinizer> ack, a lazy coder
Aug 24 23:32:54 <max_posedon> just because math theory of sound (sinusoids, Tailor's queue, etc) designed for floats)
Aug 24 23:33:10 <DocScrutinizer> bbaaaaah
Aug 24 23:33:42 <mjr> I wouldn't really call it that lazy these days to use floating point, just unfortunate that there's special case hardware on which that'll be prohibitively slow
Aug 24 23:34:12 <DocScrutinizer> k, granted
Aug 24 23:35:19 <max_posedon> mjr, hardware isn't slow
Aug 24 23:35:24 <SpeedEvil> There was someone a while back wondering why his program wouldn't do a++ at more than 2MHz or so. 
Aug 24 23:35:31 <max_posedon> it just haven't fpu!
Aug 24 23:35:31 <SpeedEvil> a was a float.
Aug 24 23:35:56 <max_posedon> mjr, like you haven't wings
Aug 24 23:36:08 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: muhaha
Aug 24 23:37:20 <DocScrutinizer> max_posedon: you're sure? ;-)
Aug 24 23:38:11 <DocScrutinizer> max_posedon: maybe mjr will send you a picture to prove you wrong
Aug 24 23:38:32 <SpeedEvil> WOGTFO
Aug 24 23:39:50 <max_posedon> ha, he even can send me Copefield's video, but it won't prove me anything
Aug 24 23:44:27 <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVkjP5d6ulc&feature=PlayList&p=244ABC469D4FEF3C&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=1 Todays random science.
Aug 24 23:48:20 <DocScrutinizer> WEIRD SHIT!!
Aug 24 23:48:46 <SpeedEvil> :)
Aug 24 23:50:34 <DocScrutinizer> I'll sell those for geeks' desktop gimmicks
Aug 24 23:54:57 <DocScrutinizer> mixing the starch with ferromagnetic nanoparticles might be worth a try. Could use waves and/or magnetic fields Then ;-D
Aug 24 23:58:39 <SpeedEvil> Would be fun. 
Aug 25 00:18:37 <DocScrutinizer> muhaha, game zensored in australia because of >>virtulal drug abuse<<
Aug 25 00:19:24 <DocScrutinizer> the aussies are nuts
Aug 25 00:51:52 <fredrin> yaaaarrr
Aug 25 00:52:05 <fredrin> how's life people
Aug 25 00:52:42 <fredrin> shall i do a opkg upgrade && opkg upgrade today on shr-unstable
Aug 25 00:52:50 <fredrin> havent upgraded in a loong time
Aug 25 00:53:02 <fredrin> or will it be an epic fail 
Aug 25 00:55:01 * SpeedEvil bets on epic fail.
Aug 25 00:59:29 <max_posedon> bets won't be if fredrin adds some swap before
Aug 25 00:59:49 <fredrin> i got swap 
Aug 25 00:59:55 <fredrin> :)
Aug 25 01:00:00 <SpeedEvil> do you know how to use it?
Aug 25 01:00:51 <fredrin> swapon 
Aug 25 01:01:00 <fredrin> + fstab 
Aug 25 01:02:00 <fredrin> but it's been a while since last opkg update && opkg upgrade, so not sure what will happen/break, but i got time tomorrow to fix things :D
Aug 25 01:02:09 <fredrin> and not expecting any important calls 
Aug 25 01:31:27 <fredrin> hey Digital_Pioneer how's life
Aug 25 02:20:03 <SpeedEvil> http://www.semiaccurate.com/2009/07/31/apple-keyboard-firmware-hack-demonstrated/ oops.
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