**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 27 02:59:57 2009 Aug 27 05:29:59 so is the glamo fix here yet ? Aug 27 05:56:51 Slaxxer: "the glamo fix"? Aug 27 06:20:01 i was reading the "planet" topic of the day Aug 27 07:36:46 openmoko: 03werner * r5549 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (STATUS docs/ecn/STATUS docs/ecn/ecn0029.txt): Reviewed ECN0029 and the whole PMU. Closed ECN0029. Aug 27 08:28:27 openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5550 10/trunk/eda/scripts/footprint-report.pl: Add footprint reporter (using BOM list) Aug 27 09:00:31 openmoko: 03werner * r5551 10/trunk/gta02-core/modules/332fbga-p05.fpd: - modules/332fbga-p05.fpd: added measurements Aug 27 09:01:27 openmoko: 03werner * r5552 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (gui_inst.c gui_meas.c gui_tool.c inst.c inst.h): Aug 27 09:01:27 openmoko: Made interactive selection of measurement points a little less inefficient. Aug 27 09:01:27 openmoko: - vectors now have their own struct in inst.u and don't share inst.u.rect.end Aug 27 09:01:27 openmoko: - when selecting points for measurements, use the highlighting we've already Aug 27 09:01:28 openmoko: done and don't redo all the O(n^3) searching for each mouse pointer movement Aug 27 09:01:30 openmoko: - removed debug code that printed what new measurements are like. We can now Aug 27 09:01:32 openmoko: use the code view for that. Aug 27 09:31:01 openmoko: 03daveb * r5553 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ecn0016.txt: review accel removal changes Aug 27 09:35:59 hey all Aug 27 09:45:59 openmoko: 03werner * r5554 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (README dump.c fpd.y kicad.c obj.h postscript.c): Aug 27 09:45:59 openmoko: - added pad type (for non-solder and solder-paste-only pads) to FPD language Aug 27 09:45:59 openmoko: (GUI is still missing) Aug 27 09:46:45 openmoko: 03werner * r5555 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Added "tst" footprint (test point, 1.2 mm diameter) Aug 27 09:49:40 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r9a6629ade817 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/query_manager.py: Aug 27 09:49:40 freesmartphone.org: opimd: add possibility to sort case sensitive Aug 27 09:49:40 freesmartphone.org: To use that, query with _sortcasesens set to non-false value. Default is False. Aug 27 09:49:40 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rc88a629a3044 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (docs/TODO pimd_generic.py): opimd: little optimalizantion in merging and getting field value from entry Aug 27 09:49:43 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rb53278cf2ef1 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_generic.py: opimd: disable merging by default Aug 27 09:49:46 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r40ad7a5c5203 10/conf/example/frameworkd.conf: conf: enable merging in opimd Contacts domain Aug 27 09:49:49 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r48c6d9e32005 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/query_manager.py: opimd: fix sorting non-string values Aug 27 09:52:32 my freerunner's DNS isn't working Aug 27 10:02:47 AlexC: just not resolving domains? what does your /etc/resolv.conf contain? Aug 27 10:04:28 what is the correct value for DISPLAY to do xrandr things etc over ssh? Aug 27 10:05:16 ":0" ? Aug 27 10:06:59 i used :0.0 but i seemed not to work Aug 27 10:18:09 i think i'm in over my head Aug 27 10:22:27 hi Aug 27 10:24:14 how can i remove gadgets i added to the desktop Aug 27 10:37:36 naeg: only by right click Aug 27 10:38:08 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r73dc394605b3 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_dates.py: opimd: Dates: remove custom matcher Aug 27 10:54:13 tomcatek: damn...but there must be any config file... Aug 27 10:59:53 openmoko: 03daveb * r5556 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (cpu.sch docs/ecn/ecn0027.txt gta02-core.sch): rename INTO/INT0 net, and note some of the other renamed nets Aug 27 11:02:20 i can't connect to my freerunner via ssh Aug 27 11:02:34 my desktop can't see it Aug 27 11:02:42 i run archlinux Aug 27 11:02:48 see? Aug 27 11:02:55 like ping? Aug 27 11:03:20 there is no device for my freerunner even when connected Aug 27 11:03:38 dfu-util? Aug 27 11:03:45 AlexC: if you run archlinux you could be interested in this: http://www.archmobile.org archlinux for your freerunner;) Aug 27 11:03:56 is it stable? Aug 27 11:04:05 we just packaged illume Aug 27 11:04:09 e17* Aug 27 11:04:17 i'm on qtopia atm Aug 27 11:04:20 naeg: Does it working? Aug 27 11:04:21 considering change Aug 27 11:04:38 Etu: yeah and it's faster than on SHR, i think Aug 27 11:04:52 AlexC: we have ported qtmoko too Aug 27 11:05:02 AlexC: you can use it as daily phone based on arch liniux Aug 27 11:05:04 linux* Aug 27 11:05:16 naeg: Hmm, I think I will try it Aug 27 11:05:17 and if you want to change you just pacman -Sy e-svn and you got e Aug 27 11:05:28 Etu: but we have no phone apps etc Aug 27 11:05:33 its just e17 up to no Aug 27 11:05:35 w Aug 27 11:06:01 Etu: join #arch-arm if you want, you'll find help there if you need Aug 27 11:06:51 naeg: Ah, ok... And is there a way to get the Phone-apps? Aug 27 11:07:04 And does it exist a jffs2 image? Aug 27 11:08:15 naeg: why do you think E is faster than on SHR? Aug 27 11:08:18 Etu: not yet, we install it on SD Aug 27 11:08:32 can you use archmobile for everyday phone use (calls sms etc) Aug 27 11:08:47 PaulFertser: try it and you'll see. i have shr installed and it seemed slower to me Aug 27 11:09:04 AlexC: if you use qtmoko yes, with e17 not yet Aug 27 11:09:09 naeg: with the same engine? Aug 27 11:09:11 naeg: Awww, I donät think I got the time for it... Aug 27 11:09:12 Etu: we haven't packaged any phone apps yet Aug 27 11:09:21 PaulFertser: yeah software Aug 27 11:09:57 Etu: i'll tar the e17 sys, then you just have to extract it on your SD card Aug 27 11:10:02 naeg: software or software_x16? Aug 27 11:10:03 but you need to have qi installed Aug 27 11:10:08 PaulFertser: software Aug 27 11:10:20 naeg: because SHR has everything needed for x16 and that works damn fast they say. Aug 27 11:11:05 well i not tested it really, i don't really mind, but the loadaverage was higher with SHR when just e running Aug 27 11:11:20 naeg: with the same theme and everything? Aug 27 11:11:53 I need to get arch to recognise my neo Aug 27 11:12:11 no, default illume, which should be slower beacuse illume-shr is modified for the freerunner Aug 27 11:12:51 can you dual boot the neo? Aug 27 11:13:05 probably stupid question Aug 27 11:13:19 AlexC: we install on SD, so yes Aug 27 11:13:56 PaulFertser: do you have SHR atm running? just e Aug 27 11:14:19 naeg: no, sorry, i'm a debian user. Aug 27 11:14:34 PaulFertser: do you have rightclick? Aug 27 11:16:09 naeg: i used to have it with Xfbdev, now with Xglamo my xmodmap trick doesn't work. But any sane person should use glamo X.org driver by now so using xmodmap to remap pointer buttons should be simple and cool. Aug 27 11:17:17 PaulFertser: is there a reference to your trick with xmodmap? i use fbdev and would like to have rightclick Aug 27 11:17:36 naeg: bash -c 'xmodmap -e "pointer = 2 3 1"; /root/bin/waitclick.sh; xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3"' Aug 27 11:17:48 btw load average: 0.02, 0.06, 0.16 Aug 27 11:17:50 naeg: waitclick is "input-events 1 2>&1 | ( grep -q -m 1 released && kill $$ )" Aug 27 11:18:23 naeg: but really, use glamo X.org driver it's stable fast and cool. Aug 27 11:18:31 does anyone use archlinux? Aug 27 11:18:38 AlexC: yes, i do Aug 27 11:18:56 PaulFertser: the resolution seems not to be ok with glamo, and with fbdev it works and its ok Aug 27 11:19:26 naeg: are you really sure you tried glamo X.org driver and not Xglamo kdrive? Aug 27 11:19:52 xf86-video-glamo Aug 27 11:19:58 glamo will have KMS soon Aug 27 11:20:07 naeg: yes, that's x.org. Probably that was an old version though. Aug 27 11:21:20 can you connact to the freerunner from arch? Aug 27 11:21:26 yes Aug 27 11:21:35 It doesn't show up on mine Aug 27 11:21:39 the device Aug 27 11:21:45 AlexC: look at this: http://www.archmobile.org/trac/wiki/AFR/Configuration/NetworkingOverUSB Aug 27 11:23:53 with this you also have internet connection over usb on your neo ;) Aug 27 11:25:26 http://pastebin.ca/1544554 Aug 27 11:25:57 BTW, for those who wants to know more how "opensource"-friendly Nokia is in reality, not in all their press-releases and buzz-marketing: http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/30026/ Aug 27 11:26:13 AlexC: execute as root Aug 27 11:26:48 PaulFertser: isn't it enough if i execute this in bash -c `this here` on my neo when in e? Aug 27 11:27:03 PaulFertser: nice Aug 27 11:27:04 PaulFertser: 1 patch ? Aug 27 11:27:19 Ke: but a very useful, it seems Aug 27 11:27:25 well true Aug 27 11:27:58 http://pastebin.ca/1544557 Aug 27 11:28:00 naeg: (waitclick) i do not remember why i did it this way. Probably just because i was experimenting and stopped after it started to work. Aug 27 11:28:12 Ke: the patch is not important, the discussion is. Aug 27 11:28:52 Ke: are you asking about nokia's patch? Aug 27 11:28:56 naeg: i have to go, will you be here tomorrow same time? Aug 27 11:29:00 PaulFertser: nopr Aug 27 11:29:03 nope Aug 27 11:30:04 AlexC: can't say that yet, you might autojoin #arch-arm, out channel Aug 27 11:30:08 our* Aug 27 11:30:48 okay Aug 27 11:30:54 i'll be there tomorrow Aug 27 11:31:05 i'm on solar power so my time is limited Aug 27 11:31:11 see you :) Aug 27 11:33:02 PaulFertser: i don't get where you executed that? Aug 27 11:38:25 naeg: i made an icon in a tray Aug 27 11:38:42 naeg: whenever i needed to press the right button i pressed it and the next click was "right". Aug 27 11:38:59 aaah, just the next click is a rightclick? Aug 27 11:39:10 naeg: yes, it was comfortable enough for me. Aug 27 11:41:07 PaulFertser: seems not to work here... Aug 27 11:41:19 PaulFertser: so Nokia is providing something close to mac80211 oslt? Aug 27 11:41:35 naeg: you need to use X.org for that to work Aug 27 11:41:37 naeg: iirc Aug 27 11:41:51 (not that I know anything about telecommunications) Aug 27 11:41:56 Ke: i don't think so. Aug 27 11:43:38 PaulFertser: iirc? we use X Aug 27 11:44:21 naeg: X.org != Xfbdev (kdrive) != Xglamo (kdrive) Aug 27 11:44:32 naeg: the method i propose works with X.org but not with kdrive. Aug 27 11:47:23 we need a general solution anyway, kernel or X Aug 27 11:49:01 naeg: how is it not general enough? Aug 27 11:49:46 you said it doesn't work with glamo? Aug 27 11:49:54 naeg: it doesn't work with kdrive Aug 27 11:49:59 naeg: and nobody needs kdrive anyway. Aug 27 11:50:10 we don't force anything, everyone can use what ever he wants Aug 27 11:50:14 so we support kdrive too Aug 27 11:50:27 naeg: yes but why use old deprecated unsupported soft anyway? Aug 27 11:51:20 PaulFertser: we don't only support the neofreerunner, so might someone has to use it Aug 27 11:52:03 naeg: kdrive is not supported on any platform Aug 27 11:54:39 PaulFertser: ? let me read what you have wrote, i am confused atm Aug 27 11:56:20 PaulFertser: ah ok, so xf86-video-glamo is x.org? Aug 27 11:56:52 so your rightclick should work with xf86-video-fbdev? Aug 27 11:57:59 naeg: yes Aug 27 11:58:08 naeg: try it on your PC Aug 27 11:58:11 ;) Aug 27 11:58:13 bbl Aug 27 11:58:52 PaulFertser: i have xf86-video-fbdev on my freerunner Aug 27 12:04:50 just found a nice part in http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/30026/ Aug 27 12:05:04 »we don't want PPP at all. It is just plain stupid and a total braindead Aug 27 12:05:04 idea. Non of the GSM/UMTS networks talk PPP over the air interface or Aug 27 12:05:04 actually anywhere in their stack. The PPP is just between the host OS Aug 27 12:05:04 and the card. It is a pointless encapsulation of IP packets that comes Aug 27 12:05:04 from the POTS stuff where PPP over a telephone line made sense. Aug 27 12:05:06 « Aug 27 12:05:34 is ppp necessary on the calypso, or could it be done some other way? Aug 27 12:09:56 Meaningless post is meaningless. Aug 27 12:10:05 Sure it's stupid and braindead. Aug 27 12:10:18 99.9% of phones do it this way though. Aug 27 12:10:42 And AIUI the calypso in FR only has serial - so it likely has to be done this way. Aug 27 12:12:32 Well - not has. Aug 27 12:12:46 But has to if you can't get someone to write a new firmware stack. Aug 27 13:35:36 hi everyone, I've just come back to playing with OM after a hiatus. Is there a distro that can connect to wifi networks with security yet? Aug 27 13:36:47 yes - SHR - though some APs have trouble with the firmware of the wifi unfortunatley. Aug 27 13:37:01 oh. The SHR I tried yesterday couldn't connect to anything Aug 27 13:38:21 I think it is a kernel issue - what version of SHR do you recommend I download? Aug 27 13:38:58 anything - more than one AP? Aug 27 13:39:16 correct.... one completely unsecured, one has WPA2 protection Aug 27 13:39:23 I regret - I have not got a FR - so I have absoltuely no idea about how wifi works. Aug 27 13:40:22 Is it a firmware issue that was patched up in the driver (i.e. the driver for Windows)? Aug 27 13:40:38 I don't use windows Aug 27 13:40:55 I'm talking about the WiFi chip. Aug 27 13:41:19 oh. I don't know really, I'd just like a reasonably ok distro that can connect to my wifi and I can write Qt applications for. Aug 27 13:42:28 it's what I've been after for about 3 years, and haven't succeeded yet Aug 27 13:42:30 jjwc: unsure - I don't think so - I think it's just the firmware version we've got - and there is no furmware updater. Aug 27 13:43:03 SpeedEvil: ah, okay. I was going to suggest ndiswrapper with the Windows driver if there was a Windows driver made for that chip. Aug 27 13:43:42 ndiswrapper won't work. Aug 27 13:43:46 Well... Aug 27 13:43:57 It won't work unless there is a wince driver - for arm. Aug 27 13:44:05 And I don't think ndiswrapper does that. Aug 27 13:44:05 heh. Even then... Aug 27 13:44:12 Also you'd need qemu Aug 27 13:44:37 is anyone in here actually using FR for a phone, and if so what distro? Aug 27 13:44:37 I've no idea if the windows driver can work round it - I'm just repeating stuff I vaguely remember. Aug 27 13:44:47 yes, quite a few people. Aug 27 13:44:50 SHR Aug 27 13:44:58 generally as I understand it. Aug 27 13:44:58 ok... but what release? Aug 27 13:45:03 No clue Aug 27 13:45:10 SpeedEvil: yeah, I was trying to see if there was a WinCE driver. Aug 27 13:45:22 yeh, the one I was playing with was ok actually. Just nothing was working Aug 27 13:45:41 But come to think of it, ndiswrapper probably doesn't support WinCE. Aug 27 13:45:57 Why doyou wanna use the WinCE driver? Aug 27 13:46:09 Sorry - I don't use it - so I'm not tracking versions Aug 27 13:46:19 ok no worries, I will have a crack at the one in the topic Aug 27 13:46:23 weatherhead: I used to use SHR until frameworkd died again. I might try to revive things. Aug 27 13:46:43 Android's a lot of fun to use, but the volume is too low to be used in a call. Aug 27 13:46:52 I used to use qtopia, it was great Aug 27 13:46:57 and actually worked very well Aug 27 13:47:19 Etu: if the Windows driver patches around bugs in the firmware, then it might improve connectivity when used with ndiswrapper. Aug 27 13:47:19 but the lack of synchronisation facilities was a bit of a bugger Aug 27 13:47:55 I've seen so many examples where vendors deliver buggy hardware and just patch it up with software. Aug 27 13:48:50 hehe, I think so far openmoko has pretty much done the opposite.. I've always loved the freerunner Aug 27 13:59:26 anyone know where I can get a recentish SHR-full image from? Aug 27 13:59:36 the one in the channel topic appears not to exist Aug 27 14:01:34 you';re not trying to just click on the link int he topic? Aug 27 14:01:44 no, i'm not Aug 27 14:01:51 k Aug 27 14:01:54 not looked Aug 27 14:01:57 in that directory there aren't any "full" images, just lite ones Aug 27 14:24:56 openmoko: 03werner * r5557 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (TODO fpd.y): Aug 27 14:24:56 openmoko: Cause in TODO, effect: Aug 27 14:24:56 openmoko: - pad type wasn't optional Aug 27 14:40:07 where can I controll speaker volume during gsm call? Aug 27 14:40:33 there are some scenarios, but which is the right one ... Aug 27 15:14:58 is there any option for X to disable cursor? for Xdefaults or something Aug 27 15:19:20 naeg: X.org or Kdrive? it's harder in X.org Aug 27 15:19:59 xyzz: gsmhandset.state is probably what you want Aug 27 15:42:55 Weiss: x.org? Aug 27 15:42:56 -? Aug 27 15:45:32 it would be possible to create an empty cursor theme, but this is ugly Aug 27 15:47:32 naeg: yeah.. there isn't an easy way according to the Xorg site Aug 27 15:47:36 naeg : unclutter do something like that Aug 27 15:47:53 where can i find this unclutter? Aug 27 15:48:08 i was thinking of writing some kind of "null cursor driver" which pretends to provide a cursor but doesn't draw anything Aug 27 15:48:32 i hoped that there is something like Xcursor=false Aug 27 15:48:35 this would be nice Aug 27 15:49:06 found one Aug 27 15:49:14 http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/X11/contrib/utilities/unclutter-8.README Aug 27 15:49:26 http://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/unclutter/ Aug 27 15:49:43 sorry naeg, haven't enought time to tell you more Aug 27 15:50:20 yeah, i saw the packge, i dont need any more information, thanks neomilium Aug 27 15:54:53 but how does SHR disable cursor? Aug 27 16:06:35 naeg: try to configure enlighment by clicking top and left corner the configuration icon Aug 27 16:09:32 How can I switch on the bt visible mode? The Connectivity slider won't be store the On status. Aug 27 16:19:15 CosmicDuck: this works for E, but if you start for example xterm the cursor appears Aug 27 16:24:53 Well - I guess that the nokia thing is happening. Aug 27 16:24:55 http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/specifications/ Aug 27 16:25:57 yeah, wonder how free it actually is Aug 27 16:27:13 yeah Aug 27 16:27:32 There is a hell of a range between OM - and the iphone say. Aug 27 16:28:36 It looks like they chose the easy way out on the specifications. Aug 27 16:28:41 put _everything_ in. Aug 27 16:29:29 o god, FSO has an ass full of deps :/ Aug 27 16:30:04 SpeedEvil: duh!! nokia.som/*/n900 ?! yeah Aug 27 16:32:59 naeg: that's a plus, it means they're reusing software as opposed to reinventing the wheel :) Aug 27 16:33:01 l8er Aug 27 16:33:38 http://flors.wordpress.com/2009/08/27/software-freedom-lovers-here-comes-maemo-5/ Aug 27 16:36:34 mickey|sports: but i wanted to get the phone working today, but it seems like it will take me longer Aug 27 16:36:49 anyway, aren't you a dev? ;) Aug 27 16:38:35 Odd. No wifi (above) Aug 27 16:39:47 these comments make me sick Aug 27 16:39:49 much too positive Aug 27 16:39:56 while nothing is clear Aug 27 16:40:00 *shrug* Aug 27 16:40:17 the above maemo one is positive. Aug 27 16:40:38 But I'm not completely sure that that's how it'll end up released. Aug 27 16:41:23 *nod* Aug 27 16:42:16 Though there is a difference between carrier provided phones and others. Aug 27 16:42:27 I mean unsubsidised. Aug 27 16:43:07 I personally have no problem with subsidised phones being locked down to within an inch of their life. Aug 27 16:50:09 that actually looks quite nice Aug 27 16:50:18 with a real keyboard Aug 27 16:51:12 the ad looks very pro...as in overproduced :) Aug 27 16:51:31 I'm just looking at the hardware specs Aug 27 16:53:52 click on Home and you'll see the ad Aug 27 16:53:54 No magnetometer or wifi seem the only omissions I've noticed. And there is no lanyard hole. Aug 27 16:54:08 it has wifi Aug 27 16:54:29 3.5G and WLAN connectivity Aug 27 16:54:34 Data transfers over Wi-Fi 54Mbps Aug 27 16:54:35 just saw that Aug 27 16:54:56 that's G right? Aug 27 16:55:04 yeah Aug 27 16:55:13 hopefully it will fall back to B Aug 27 16:55:17 My bad. Aug 27 16:55:24 I searched for wifi and wireless. Aug 27 16:55:29 There are too many features! Aug 27 16:55:47 i guess it depends on the chipset Aug 27 16:55:55 any clue that it'll be open? Aug 27 16:56:57 dont care if it comes open, just care if it can be opened :) Aug 27 16:57:35 starting out running linux is a good step in that direction Aug 27 16:59:28 and removable battery Aug 27 16:59:34 that instantly makes it better than the iphone Aug 27 17:08:28 have either of you seen a close-up of the keyboard? Aug 27 17:08:40 trying to figure out if I can use it for work Aug 27 17:08:46 Undrwater: it's maemo Aug 27 17:09:12 (think lots of CLI with | () ' " $ `, etc...) Aug 27 17:09:35 ndnihil: use blueSHIFT therefore Aug 27 17:09:44 blueshift? Aug 27 17:09:47 * ndnihil googles Aug 27 17:09:57 or which pops up a whole selection screen Aug 27 17:10:29 ndnihil: googling for blueshift will probably lead you to wikipedia about redshift :-P Aug 27 17:10:46 nope, wikipedia about an unrelated blue shift Aug 27 17:10:47 :) Aug 27 17:11:03 there's a blue key for a shift layer Aug 27 17:11:07 ah Aug 27 17:11:08 afaik Aug 27 17:11:38 * SpeedEvil remembers the spectrum keyboard. Aug 27 17:11:43 similar to what you find on many notebooks Aug 27 17:11:58 eeeeew spectrum Aug 27 17:12:15 It was lots better than the ZX81 :) Aug 27 17:12:36 I honestly guess they made that kbd out of erasers Aug 27 17:13:21 SpeedEvil: I had a *very* decent standard kbd hooked up to my ZX81 Aug 27 17:14:07 well standard layout & formfactor. Custom matrix wiring Aug 27 17:14:48 lemme drool over that N900 specs a little more.. Aug 27 17:15:01 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0qh7dvaH98 - spectrum upgraded :) Aug 27 17:18:43 ndnihil: http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/360/ Aug 27 17:19:56 ndnihil: for kbd-closeup Aug 27 17:20:08 thanks Aug 27 17:24:50 ndnihil: http://www.mobile-review.com/review/nokia-rx51-n900-en.shtml Aug 27 17:25:38 I can probably deal with that Aug 27 17:25:56 cant be any worse than using the on screen keyboard with stylus Aug 27 17:26:52 http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/pic05.jpg ff Aug 27 17:32:41 not seeing | Aug 27 17:33:38 SpeedEvil: actually seems you're right - no lanyard hole ;-(( We *need* to find a place to drill one in Aug 27 17:33:49 XD Aug 27 17:36:04 for our German readers: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/Nokia-N900-Internet-Tablett-als-Smartphone--/meldung/144403 Aug 27 17:39:22 what are the chance we'll get a nice browser? ewww was looking nice...but is it being developed? Aug 27 17:42:09 * Wonka is ircing over an "IPv6 compatible cable" right now Aug 27 17:45:04 Wonka: There are any actually? o.O Aug 27 17:45:10 uh, you mean cable modem? Aug 27 17:45:18 I don't think the physical cables give a shit Aug 27 17:45:29 hehehe Aug 27 17:49:01 6 wires, not 4 ! Aug 27 17:49:16 hahah Aug 27 17:52:12 is there some kind of "anatomy of a phone call" on the wiki? can't seem to find anything Aug 27 17:52:24 Slaxxer: ping Aug 27 17:52:41 Undrwater: huh? Aug 27 17:52:57 anatomy => state machine Aug 27 17:53:13 but I wouldn't know an overview... Aug 27 17:53:47 hmm, that's mainly about FSO anyway Aug 27 17:54:19 as I assume you're not interested in the GSM-OTA protocol Aug 27 17:54:21 Kero: yes, thanks...so maybe FSO overview? Aug 27 17:54:58 more like what the system does for incoming / outgoing calls Aug 27 17:56:16 Undrwater: you can assume the system needs to track the lower-layer statemachine quite closely. Aug 27 17:56:30 Undrwater: that depends on how the system is configured (which apps are actually installed) Aug 27 17:56:52 DocScrutinizer: ie shr, om2009, etc? Aug 27 17:57:31 well, there's quite some components that interact over dbus calls. Aug 27 17:57:45 and even that is work in progress Aug 27 17:58:21 e.g. playing ringtone will move from fsoeventsd to dialer app eventually Aug 27 17:58:23 isn't the bl5j the same nokia battery we can use in the FR? Aug 27 17:58:33 not at all Aug 27 17:58:41 the "j" is the diff Aug 27 17:58:41 oh Aug 27 17:59:04 we may use BL-(456)C Aug 27 17:59:16 ah Aug 27 17:59:26 what's the difference between the 4|5|6? Aug 27 17:59:30 capacity? Aug 27 17:59:45 mainly thinkness and capacity Aug 27 18:00:36 I'm digging this nokia Aug 27 18:00:41 i think i've found what i was looking for Aug 27 18:00:52 900? Aug 27 18:01:15 http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr39.jpg Aug 27 18:01:25 it's awesome that the promos include a folder for core dumps Aug 27 18:01:30 the promo pictures Aug 27 18:01:42 huh?? lol Aug 27 18:02:31 so you see it's genuine linux XD Aug 27 18:03:09 The phone is supposed to hit the shelves late in 2009 and will go for 550 Euro Aug 27 18:03:14 pricey Aug 27 18:03:19 sure Aug 27 18:03:32 oh wait thats euro, not GBP Aug 27 18:03:37 not all phones go for the price of a FR Aug 27 18:04:11 still $700'ish Aug 27 18:04:22 roundabout Aug 27 18:05:16 how much is that iphone-3gs crap? Aug 27 18:05:22 no idea Aug 27 18:05:28 never had any interest so never priced them Aug 27 18:05:42 me neither Aug 27 18:06:37 all. Aug 27 18:07:47 unlocked iphone is much more expensive than plan phone Aug 27 18:08:22 that's true for all brands and models Aug 27 18:08:45 iGimick + TMobile PAYG = cheap, depending Aug 27 18:10:07 jailbreak? LOL! on MyPhone I'm root Aug 27 18:40:49 moo! Aug 27 18:50:15 Chocky: Say burger! Aug 27 18:50:42 * Chocky flips Aug 27 19:31:20 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * rafa68928a43c 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_generic.py: Aug 27 19:31:20 freesmartphone.org: opimd: support less or equal and greater or equal Aug 27 19:31:20 freesmartphone.org: Usage is the same like with _lt_ and _gt_ (_le_ and _ge_) Aug 27 19:31:34 mmmmmmMMMMMMOOOOOOOOOOOO Aug 27 19:49:49 waaaaaa Aug 27 19:50:07 Clearly nokia is to blame. Aug 27 19:54:15 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * rf17ff26d072a 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (3 files): opimd: cast Timestamp to float when loading from database Aug 27 20:01:40 lindi-: no way to reproduce? Aug 27 20:02:59 PaulFertser: i' Aug 27 20:03:05 PaulFertser: i'll let you know if i hit it again Aug 27 20:04:35 lindi-: i can tell you one other nasty thing. My FR locked several times while i was using GPRS. Locked hard, not reacting to the long power button press. And no red blinking either. Since i was unable to reproduce and i don't run ramconsole (for no good reason :( ) i just ignored it. Aug 27 20:35:42 Hi, I'd tried to connect my bt mobile free hands set in my car with my neo (shm testing). I could not find the neo. I think because the neo could switch on the bt but it could not become visible by the settings program. Is this feature already working? Aug 27 20:36:31 Another Problem today I've install omview. But if I start it it crashes without messages. Any idea? Aug 27 20:37:13 some of those older packages have not been updated lately Aug 27 20:37:17 it gives no messages even if you start it from a command line? Aug 27 20:37:51 Slaxxer: It must update first before it will run? Aug 27 20:38:05 Zeroedout: Will check it ... Wailt Aug 27 20:38:25 Invalid filename given:Epsilon expects the full path to fileSegmentation fault Aug 27 20:41:38 Zeroedout: http://pastebin.org/12746 is the command and the output from omview by given an jpg. Aug 27 20:45:04 ok, omview is from 03.05.2009 Aug 27 20:45:49 CosmicDuck: (bt) why are you searching for neo from bt headset? :-o Aug 27 20:46:10 it's an car handsfree kit Aug 27 20:46:26 CosmicDuck: also have you read the whole Manually_Using_Bluetooth page? It has quite some amount of info, including how to set the neo to be discoverable and how to pair etc. Aug 27 20:46:28 the kit will be search for the fone Aug 27 20:47:30 PaulFertser: Is it ok that the visible switch could not be bring to on state? Aug 27 20:47:39 CosmicDuck: i don't care about GUI Aug 27 20:52:37 PaulFertser: The manual said: "Don't forget you need to turn the bluetooth radio on in SHR Settings -> Connectivity -> Bluetooth Radio: On, where you can also make the bluetooth device visible. " Also this mean in my opinion it should work. But in fact the bt could be bring online, but visible mode is not available at my neo. Aug 27 20:53:04 CosmicDuck: i don't like SHR Manual, i've read it today already Aug 27 20:54:59 CosmicDuck: the manual instructions for using bluetooth are mostly modified/written by me and i did spend some time trying to make it work as it should. So in those i prepared i'm sure to some degree, in others -- not. Aug 27 20:55:52 PaulFertser: And where can I find it? I'm blind... Aug 27 20:56:05 CosmicDuck: Aug 27 20:56:06 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth Aug 27 20:56:19 :-) Aug 27 21:00:19 Ok, now I know why bt has not become visible...bluetooth stack itself has not been startet. The switch in configuration looks like will only power up and down anything from the bt hardware Aug 27 21:01:27 but it starts not the /etc/init.d/bluetooth start command. Aug 27 21:06:23 CosmicDuck: if you'll be able to get something working it'd be good you add that to the wiki. We'll have a list of FR-compatible cars soon ;) Aug 27 21:09:24 Yes I seen, there is no description at the momnt. As I remember the car free hand set use different connections to my old sony k600i for using them: obex for the phone book, modem for dialing and status and headset for the audio connection. Tomorrow I will check something. Aug 27 21:11:20 CosmicDuck: feel free to ping me on irc but i'm afraid i won't be able to tell anything beyond what's already there on the page. Aug 27 21:12:39 PaulFertser: Short question, did the bluetooth stack not startet if the bt will power on? Aug 27 21:13:55 CosmicDuck: bluetoothd is daemon. BT chip is connected via USB and can be powered/unpowered. If bluetoothd is already running and you power the chip on, it will see it and use it. The same if you do it in other sequence. Aug 27 21:15:14 PaulFertser: Hmm, than there is a problem at my installation. The bluetooth stack would not been startet e.g. at boot time. Aug 27 21:16:19 CosmicDuck: are you sure you want it running all the time? Probably it'll use some of your precious RAM ;) Aug 27 21:18:34 No. I need the stack only if the bt chip has been powered on. It looks like the stack will be starting at launching runlevel 2. But in fact, it has not run so I must startet it manually by /etc/init.d/bluetooth start :-( Aug 27 21:19:39 PaulFertser: I think if it is not actually configured, the best way so is to disable bluetooth by powering off the bt hw and start bluetooth stack by powering on. Aug 27 21:20:58 PaulFertser: As I understand this could be managed by dbus? I know only writing udev rules ;-) Aug 27 21:21:04 CosmicDuck: probably you're right, propose that to mickey|sports :) Aug 27 21:21:24 CosmicDuck: read "FSO_Resources" wikipage to understand the concept first. Aug 27 21:21:40 Ok..gn8 Aug 27 21:21:47 Anyway, sleep necessity for me. bbl Aug 27 21:21:59 CosmicDuck: gn8 Aug 27 23:16:23 openmoko: 03werner * r5558 10/trunk/gta02-core/modules/tst.fpd: - forgot to name tst.fpd, silly ... Aug 27 23:17:41 openmoko: 03daveb * r5559 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (cpu.sch docs/ecn/ecn0001.txt): reinstate the lost HDQ Aug 27 23:44:42 openmoko: 03werner * r5560 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (TODO postscript.c): Aug 27 23:44:42 openmoko: Measurement text size looked (almost) right on the screen but the size was all Aug 27 23:44:42 openmoko: wrong when printing. Aug 27 23:44:42 openmoko: - postscript.c: "realsize" incorrectly assumed that device space used units of Aug 27 23:44:42 openmoko: 1/72 inch Aug 27 23:44:43 openmoko: - postscript.c: decreased measurement text size from 10 pt to 8.5 pt Aug 28 00:17:52 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r9f767b92735c 10/fsodeviced/data/ (Makefile.am fsodeviced.conf): fsodeviced: fix dbus configuration file Aug 28 00:20:35 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r5c9ab6d4d924 10/fsodeviced/configure.ac: fsodeviced: ship dbus conf file Aug 28 01:01:29 openmoko: 03daveb * r5561 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (cpu.sch docs/ecn/ecn0001.txt lcm.sch): second try for HDQ - now move to GPD0! :-) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Aug 28 02:59:56 2009