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Aug 29 07:15:26 <Undrwater> after a change in gsmhandset.state, what's needs to be restarted to test it?  just frameworkd?
Aug 29 08:06:59 <Defiant-> unknown_lamer: try alsactrl
Aug 29 08:07:22 <Defiant-> alsactl -f gsmhandset-state restore iirc
Aug 29 08:13:21 <pierreN> hi
Aug 29 08:14:24 <pierreN> http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/ doesn't show shr non lite unstable image ; where to find it please ? :)
Aug 29 08:30:38 <ndnihil> build.shr-project.org
Aug 29 08:31:29 <pierreN> http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/  ? no can't find a non-lite image (first website is a mirror...)
Aug 29 08:32:08 <ndnihil> well that's a bit odd
Aug 29 08:32:16 <ndnihil> if its anywhere, it should be there
Aug 29 08:33:01 <ndnihil> use the lite image and install the other crap you want separately I guess
Aug 29 08:34:29 <pierreN> yes that's what i'm doing :s
Aug 29 08:34:44 <pierreN> but i wonder why the non lite image disappeared...
Aug 29 08:34:53 <ndnihil> couldn't tell you
Aug 29 08:35:03 <ndnihil> I'm still using an image nearly 2 months old
Aug 29 08:35:09 <ndnihil> too afraid updating will break it
Aug 29 08:35:23 <ndnihil> and I've got a bunch of things compiled for/on it
Aug 29 08:35:34 <ndnihil> though I guess I could just copy the source trees over and make install again
Aug 29 08:35:37 <AlexC> Where are the network config files on qtopia?
Aug 29 08:36:09 <pierreN> ok :)
Aug 29 09:59:14 <Graf_Ithaka> hi there :)
Aug 29 10:12:47 <Graf_Ithaka> which calendar application are you using? I primarily need one which can import from ical, should be finger-friendly too.. switching between week/day would be appreciated too.. I've seen pimlico and gpe-calendar on the wiki, are the others?
Aug 29 10:33:14 <Graf_Ithaka> Has someone built claws-mail 3.7.2 so far? I can only find 3.6.1 in the repos
Aug 29 10:44:56 <doc|home> Graf_Ithaka: syncml might help
Aug 29 11:38:56 <CosmicDuck> All: Is a webdav calendar access awailable?
Aug 29 11:39:22 <CosmicDuck> All is it possible to use an online ldap connection to an phonebook possible?
Aug 29 11:40:09 <CosmicDuck> All: If I store a new entry in the phonebook: Where it is stored? SIM, cvs, Sql?
Aug 29 11:50:35 <badcloud_> depends on the distro, I suppose
Aug 29 11:50:55 <badcloud_> but here's some quasi-relevant reading, CosmicDuck http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/PIM_Storage
Aug 29 12:30:24 <CIA-7> openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5570 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (wlan-conn.sch wlan.sch): Rename old WLAN connector
Aug 29 12:31:44 <CIA-7> openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5571 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (components/gta02_power.lib wlan.sch): New WLAN on-board
Aug 29 12:34:40 <spdr> hey, anyone tried out pjsua on the FR?
Aug 29 12:34:50 <spdr> pjsua/pjsip
Aug 29 12:41:25 <Kamping_Kaiser> has anyone here got a known working tangogps+google maps setup?
Aug 29 12:41:56 <Kamping_Kaiser> OSM etc work, but all the guides related to google maps are failing me
Aug 29 12:45:43 <CIA-7> openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5572 10/trunk/gta02-core/wlan.sch: Fix wlan
Aug 29 12:46:39 <spdr> pjsua on openmoko FR anyone ??
Aug 29 12:47:58 <Graf_Ithaka> all: is there a good state-file around? I reinstalled and forgot to save mine :/
Aug 29 13:10:48 <CIA-7> openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5573 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ (STATUS ecn0035.txt): Add new WLAN RF ECN
Aug 29 13:11:24 <Daramarak> I still got problems with my sound. Got only sound on one ear when I use a headset connected to the FR. I have checked the alsamixer, but I have a hard time understanding the settings. 
Aug 29 13:13:41 <lindi-> Daramarak: what headset?
Aug 29 13:14:46 <Daramarak> lindi-: I have connected a portapro headset to my FR via an adapter.
Aug 29 13:15:40 <lindi-> Daramarak: probably the adapter is just wrong.
Aug 29 13:16:40 <Daramarak> lindi-: A normal stereo mini-jack to micro-jack won't work?
Aug 29 13:16:45 <lindi-> Daramarak: no
Aug 29 13:16:53 <Graf_Ithaka> I'm just talking about handset
Aug 29 13:17:01 <lindi-> Daramarak: the pinout is hidden in the wiki
Aug 29 13:18:07 <Daramarak> lindi-: Great, I was afraid I had to ship it back to Germany for repairs.
Aug 29 13:23:08 <Daramarak> Why couldn't it support a normal mini jack. That would be so much easier.
Aug 29 13:27:03 <lindi-> Daramarak: it has four contacts
Aug 29 13:27:41 <Daramarak> lindi-: I know... found the schematics..
Aug 29 13:29:01 <lindi-> Daramarak: 3.5mm would have been easier indeed
Aug 29 14:06:34 <Graf_Ithaka> when I'm using xrandr so rotate the screen and then go back to normal with xrandr -o 0 there's a persistent white space (approx 1/3 of the screen) on the bottom and I need to restart X in order the get rid of it.. any ideas?
Aug 29 14:08:33 <lindi-> Graf_Ithaka: what X server?
Aug 29 14:08:50 <Graf_Ithaka> Xglamo
Aug 29 14:09:01 <Ke> kdrive or X.org
Aug 29 14:09:37 <lindi-> Graf_Ithaka: i don't think that is developed too much
Aug 29 14:12:14 <Graf_Ithaka> ah actually its kdrive as I saw atm
Aug 29 14:12:51 <Graf_Ithaka> http://pastebin.com/m267c9260
Aug 29 14:28:22 <Graf_Ithaka> I've found a workaround.. just sleep 1 sec after closing a program, then there's no problem.. dont ask me why but it works
Aug 29 15:15:38 <Graf_Ithaka> does anyone know a possibility to send a "right"-click to X?
Aug 29 15:16:19 <Ke> yes
Aug 29 15:16:42 <Graf_Ithaka> would you share it with me?
Aug 29 15:16:45 <Ke> <merge key="input.x11_options.EmulateRightButton" type="string">1</merge>
Aug 29 15:17:22 <Wonka> how does that work?
Aug 29 15:17:23 <Ke> in tslib configuration
Aug 29 15:17:42 <Ke> I think it was holding the button is right click
Aug 29 15:18:06 <Wonka> "button"? like, stylus on ts?
Aug 29 15:18:35 <naeg> the usb port is typ mini 5pole, right?
Aug 29 15:18:46 <naeg> the usb port of the freerunner*
Aug 29 15:19:05 <Chocky> on the wiki
Aug 29 15:19:06 <Ke> Wonka: slt
Aug 29 15:19:11 <Ke> never tested
Aug 29 15:19:31 <Wonka> naeg: yes. usb mini b, afaik.
Aug 29 15:20:09 <naeg> thanks Wonka would be shitty if i order the wrong
Aug 29 15:20:19 <Chocky> it's all on the wiki
Aug 29 15:20:40 <Wonka> naeg: you need to order a cable? i got sooo many... from cameras, external drives, ...
Aug 29 15:23:29 <naeg> i have many too, but no typ mini-b 5 pole...i dont know if the cable is destroyed but it gets detected as a usb1 device
Aug 29 15:23:50 <lindi-> naeg: instead of usb0?
Aug 29 15:23:53 <Wonka> that's... slow.
Aug 29 15:24:09 <Wonka> lindi-: instead of a device capable of 480mbps, i presume
Aug 29 15:24:09 <Chocky> er
Aug 29 15:24:10 <Chocky> no
Aug 29 15:24:15 <naeg> lindi-: no, as uhci_hcd
Aug 29 15:24:22 <naeg> usb v 1.0
Aug 29 15:24:29 <lindi-> naeg: but neo does not do usb 2.0
Aug 29 15:24:36 <Chocky> "usb0/1" is the name of the network device, if that's what you're seeing in dmesg
Aug 29 15:24:55 <Wonka> should do usb1.1, though
Aug 29 15:24:58 <Wonka> 12mbps
Aug 29 15:25:15 <Graf_Ithaka> Ke: sry for being that annoying but where's the tslib conf located?
Aug 29 15:25:16 <Chocky> What's this aversion to your shift key?
Aug 29 15:25:23 <naeg> 1.1 is ehci_hcd?
Aug 29 15:25:27 <Chocky> 12mbps = 12 millibits per second.
Aug 29 15:26:15 <Wonka> naeg: no. 2.0 is ehci. but neo does not do 2.0
Aug 29 15:26:18 <Ke> Graf_Ithaka: http://gentoo.mindzoo.de/index.cgi/wiki/X either xorg.conf or appropriate hal fdi file
Aug 29 15:26:21 <naeg> after plugging in the cable connected to the neo dmesg detects the neo as uhci_hcd, is this wrong
Aug 29 15:26:28 <naeg> ?
Aug 29 15:26:40 <naeg> someone else dmesg shows ehci_hcd
Aug 29 15:27:15 <Wonka> Chocky: pure lazyness... I'm a units and grammar nazi by myself, most of the time...
Aug 29 15:27:39 <Wonka> naeg: it cannot be detected as uhci_hcd, those are PCI devices.
Aug 29 15:27:40 <Chocky> not to mention laziness :p
Aug 29 15:28:04 <Wonka> naeg: it is connected _via_ an usb bus _via_ an uhci_hcd.
Aug 29 15:28:35 <Wonka> iff i had some linux running now i'd show what dmesg shows here...
Aug 29 15:28:47 <Wonka> but I need to solve some grub2 issue first.
Aug 29 15:28:52 <naeg> ok
Aug 29 15:29:15 <naeg> can someone else plz connect his neo to his pc and give me the output of dmesg|tail
Aug 29 15:29:30 <lindi-> $ ssh dandelion dmesg | nc paste.dyndns.org 1234
Aug 29 15:29:30 <lindi-> http://paste.debian.net/45297/
Aug 29 15:30:14 <naeg> i just get the first two lines:
Aug 29 15:30:23 <naeg> usb 3-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 5
Aug 29 15:30:25 <naeg> usb 3-2: configuration #1 chosen from 2 choices
Aug 29 15:30:40 <naeg> but nothing with eth1 or something, so i can't ssh :(
Aug 29 15:30:59 <naeg> could this be the cable or the port of the neo?
Aug 29 15:31:36 <lindi-> naeg: well test with cdc first
Aug 29 15:32:08 <naeg> cdc?
Aug 29 15:33:14 <lindi-> naeg: communications device class
Aug 29 15:33:34 <lindi-> naeg: u-boot in NOR flash for example speaks this. good test case
Aug 29 15:34:31 <Graf_Ithaka> Ke: I'll give hal a shot, theres no xorg.conf on my neo ..
Aug 29 15:36:26 <naeg> lindi-: i use qi...but i will try to backup with neotool, to see if this gives me an error
Aug 29 15:38:17 <naeg> ok this doesn't work
Aug 29 15:38:51 <naeg> lindi-: i don't use uboot, can i test it somehow else?
Aug 29 15:39:42 <lindi-> naeg: your NOR still has u-boot
Aug 29 15:39:56 <naeg> nor is holding aux and power?
Aug 29 15:40:16 <lindi-> i'm sure you can read it from the wiki :)
Aug 29 15:40:29 <naeg> but what then?
Aug 29 15:40:38 <lindi-> naeg: lsusb -vv on PC
Aug 29 15:41:59 <naeg> lindi-: i guess you wanted this: http://pastebin.com/m62c385c6
Aug 29 15:42:42 <lindi-> naeg: looks pretty ok, do you have /dev/ttyACM*?
Aug 29 15:42:53 <lindi-> or was it ttyUSB*, can't remember
Aug 29 15:43:46 <naeg> on host? i don't have ttyUSB nor ttyACM
Aug 29 15:44:10 <naeg> i have /dev/tty%*
Aug 29 15:44:38 <naeg> and ttyS*% where * is 0-3
Aug 29 15:45:30 <lindi-> naeg: is usbserial module loaded? (lsmod)
Aug 29 15:46:17 <naeg> scsi_mod usbcore usb_storage
Aug 29 15:46:27 <Graf_Ithaka> Ke: I dont have a xorg.conf to uncomment the inputsection device.. and simplay adding the stuff tu the fdi-files wont do the job.. any ideas?
Aug 29 15:46:41 <lindi-> naeg: better load usbserial and see logs?
Aug 29 15:47:06 <Ke> Graf_Ithaka: input files in /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ ?
Aug 29 15:47:20 <Ke> Graf_Ithaka: also restart hal/xorg
Aug 29 15:47:23 <naeg> lindi-: no errors
Aug 29 15:47:44 <lindi-> naeg: are you using udev?
Aug 29 15:48:07 <naeg> lindi-: yes
Aug 29 15:54:08 <naeg> lindi-: sry my wifi driver is unstable. yes i use udev
Aug 29 15:55:11 <Graf_Ithaka> Ke: I tried a 2nd time.. no right-button-emulation.. thats my policy-file: http://pastebin.com/m50bf68ad I added up the section touchpad, the others I left untouched
Aug 29 15:55:49 <Ke> sorry can't help you then
Aug 29 15:56:01 <lindi-> Graf_Ithaka: are you even using hal?
Aug 29 15:56:05 <Ke> I would check Xorg.0.log
Aug 29 15:56:41 <lindi-> naeg: well hmm, here it creates a tty* device when i boot to u-boot. maybe i also choose "console to serial" option
Aug 29 15:57:35 <naeg> ah, when uboot. ok i have a tyyACM0
Aug 29 15:57:44 <Graf_Ithaka> lindi-: I hope so, hal's running by default so I think its used
Aug 29 16:01:44 <naeg> lindi-: is the cable ok then? as you said lsusb looks good
Aug 29 16:36:06 <Laibsch> How do I know the OM Neo is actually charging?  I have connected it to my USB port on the laptop and increased curlim to 300.  I also tried connecting it to an external USB charger.  No indication the charge is actually happening.
Aug 29 16:36:21 <Laibsch> In fact, when I pull the battery out, the Neo goes dead.
Aug 29 16:37:08 <naeg> Laibsch: read /sys/.../capacity,  wait and read again
Aug 29 16:37:22 <naeg> find /sys -name "capacity"
Aug 29 16:37:24 <Laibsch> on the NEO?
Aug 29 16:37:27 <naeg> yes
Aug 29 16:37:30 <Laibsch> thanks
Aug 29 16:37:59 <naeg> but normaly your WM shows it somewhere
Aug 29 16:38:05 <naeg> or any other app
Aug 29 16:47:48 <Laibsch> naeg: I get "cat: read error: Timer expired"
Aug 29 16:47:57 <Laibsch> This is not the original battery
Aug 29 16:48:08 <Laibsch> I'm trying to charge this one first and the original
Aug 29 16:48:16 <Laibsch> But when I swap, the Neo goes off
Aug 29 16:48:27 <Laibsch> The original is once again completely empty
Aug 29 16:48:45 <Laibsch> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_(GTA02)_Battery was no help so far
Aug 29 16:49:12 <naeg> i am sorrx Laibsch i can't help you then
Aug 29 16:49:15 <naeg> sorry*
Aug 29 17:09:22 <PBeck> hi
Aug 29 17:19:51 <Ke> I know most of bought freerunner just to see the leet u-boot splash image, but I would like to know is there a simplish way to see the boot menu instead of the splash image
Aug 29 17:20:16 <Ke> *most of you
Aug 29 17:20:46 <Ke> seemingly it's nothing in the env
Aug 29 17:20:53 <lindi-> Ke: are you sure?
Aug 29 17:21:37 <Ke> well can't be totally sure, but APz's env seems quite similar to mine
Aug 29 17:21:56 <lindi-> Ke: see 5.14.3 of u-boot manual
Aug 29 17:22:06 <lindi-> Ke: "U-Boot will test if the environment variable "splashimage" is defined"
Aug 29 17:23:02 <Ke> APz has splashimage too
Aug 29 17:24:30 <Ke> lindi-: ok there is paradox in reality, but i will test
Aug 29 17:27:21 <naeg> lindi-: i need to go now, i hope that i am allowed to ping you tomorrow again because of my problem :)
Aug 29 17:28:01 <Ke> ok I should have complied with #openmoko-fi(19:58:38) in the first place
Aug 29 17:28:31 <WhiteField> Whats the main difference between A6 and  A7 ..except the GSM bug fix
Aug 29 17:29:08 <naeg> cu
Aug 29 17:29:18 <WhiteField> i searched on google ..but didn't find anything else
Aug 29 17:46:42 <vortex> Does anyone know where the Angstrom distribution keeps the address book ?
Aug 29 17:47:10 * vortex wants to back it up before upgrading to a newer version ...
Aug 29 17:48:15 <CIA-7> openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5574 10/trunk/gta02-core/wlan.sch: Fix misc issues with wlan
Aug 29 17:48:20 <vortex> I've rummaged extensively on disk; find -name addressbook only found me config files, not data.
Aug 29 17:49:08 <vortex> I even resorted to find | xargs grep to search the entire disk for a name that should be in the address-book ... if it's not in a compressed/binary format
Aug 29 17:50:22 <vortex> My current nearest approximation to a clue is: -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root        44032 Jun 17 10:41 /media/card/qtopia_db.sqlite
Aug 29 17:55:05 <ndnihil> have you checked the contents of your sim?
Aug 29 17:59:52 <vortex> How do I check the contents of my sim ?
Aug 29 18:00:33 <vortex> I have a root login via ssh; df reports /media/card/ as a mount-point; is that the SIM ?
Aug 29 18:01:02 <ndnihil> by way of dbus is your most likely path
Aug 29 18:01:10 <ndnihil> mdbus -s
Aug 29 18:01:31 <vortex> ~# type mdbus
Aug 29 18:01:31 <vortex> mdbus: not found
Aug 29 18:01:46 * vortex knows nothing about dbus
Aug 29 18:01:48 <ndnihil> what dist?
Aug 29 18:01:59 <vortex> Angstrom, according to /etc/issue
Aug 29 18:02:29 <vortex> Openmoko P1-Snapshot-20080807
Aug 29 18:02:55 <vortex> I want to upgrade to something more recent (and less Qtopia), but don't want to lose my address-book.
Aug 29 18:02:57 <ndnihil> havent tried that one, kinda surprised it doesnt include mdbus though
Aug 29 18:03:12 <ndnihil> opkg install mdbus?
Aug 29 18:03:52 <ndnihil> contacts can be stored in two places
Aug 29 18:03:56 <ndnihil> sim, and file/disk
Aug 29 18:03:59 <vortex> hmm ... that involves persuading the device to be able to see the outside world ?
Aug 29 18:04:01 <ndnihil> file/disk/db
Aug 29 18:04:31 <vortex> ~# opkg install mdbus
Aug 29 18:04:31 <vortex> An error ocurred, return value: 2.
Aug 29 18:05:22 * vortex assumed file on disk, since flashing Angstrom onto the device zorched the prior address-book ...
Aug 29 18:05:59 <ndnihil> why not just copy it off the device if its in file
Aug 29 18:05:59 <ndnihil> ?
Aug 29 18:06:29 <vortex> Because I don't know *which* file it is !
Aug 29 18:06:37 <vortex> That's what I'm trying to discover ...
Aug 29 18:06:44 <ndnihil> open the address book app and do an lsof
Aug 29 18:06:58 <vortex> ooh - nice suggestion :-)
Aug 29 18:07:22 <vortex> gah - but no lsof installed :-(
Aug 29 18:07:35 <SpeedEvil> ps 
Aug 29 18:07:38 <SpeedEvil> work out which
Aug 29 18:07:45 <SpeedEvil> ls -l /proc/foo/fd/*
Aug 29 18:09:14 <vortex> The only diff between a ps before and after opening the address book was the pid of ps itself :-(
Aug 29 18:09:34 <ndnihil> that's the idea
Aug 29 18:09:36 <SpeedEvil> yeah - ypoiu'll need to do ps -a
Aug 29 18:09:36 <vortex> I suspect Qtopia is one big process that opens sub-applications within the same process.
Aug 29 18:09:39 <SpeedEvil> or something
Aug 29 18:10:54 <vortex> hmm ... no, ps -a also only showed the ps process itself changing.
Aug 29 18:13:09 <vortex> ps -fel gets a bigger diff, at least ...
Aug 29 18:13:30 <ndnihil> ps itself isnt going to show you the open file
Aug 29 18:13:39 <ndnihil> read the rest of what SpeedEvil told you to do
Aug 29 18:16:21 <vortex> Yup, but I had to find a pid, first - which I think I now have, from -fel
Aug 29 18:16:48 <ndnihil> pid shows up in most any permutation of ps args
Aug 29 18:18:14 <vortex> qtopia_db.sqlite
Aug 29 18:19:04 <vortex> That sounds suspiciously like I'm going to need sqlite to get my address-book out of it; but at least I now have clear evidence it's the right place to look - thanks for suggestions, variously.
Aug 29 18:21:43 <CIA-7> openmoko: 03daveb * r5575 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (components/gta02_power.lib modem.sch): 1st shot at the telit modem - work in progress
Aug 29 18:27:34 <PaulFertser> SpeedEvil: hi :D Have you read "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" Is it a popular novel?
Aug 29 18:28:21 <amarsh04> well, it was the basis of the movie "Blade Runner" - I haven't read it but read a few other philip k dick novels
Aug 29 18:28:30 <PaulFertser> amarsh04: were they good?
Aug 29 18:29:13 <amarsh04> I remember one called "dr futurity" - he wrote well and put out "different" hypotheticals
Aug 29 18:29:35 <SpeedEvil> PaulFertser: yes - a very long time ago.
Aug 29 18:29:47 <SpeedEvil> PaulFertser: I enjoy Dick.
Aug 29 18:29:49 <amarsh04> it might be worth checking online for hugo and nebula award winners
Aug 29 18:30:09 * SpeedEvil tries to remember the name of the russian SF writer.
Aug 29 18:30:26 <SpeedEvil> Oh - I was thinking of Stanislaw Lem
Aug 29 18:30:31 <PaulFertser> SpeedEvil: ok, so i'll continue with Dick's novels. I enjoyed "DADoES"
Aug 29 18:30:36 <PaulFertser> SpeedEvil: hehe, he's polish :)
Aug 29 18:30:45 <amarsh04> the recent movie wall-e reminded me of Brian Aldiss' "Non stop"
Aug 29 18:32:17 <SpeedEvil> PaulFertser: yes.
Aug 29 18:34:01 * SpeedEvil finds that Harlan Ellison isn't dead.
Aug 29 18:34:30 <PaulFertser> SpeedEvil: of all SF authors i like Ray Bradbury the most. Probably because he's never written anything pure SF, his novels are first of all humanistic.
Aug 29 18:34:58 <PaulFertser> amarsh04: thank you for the suggestion too
Aug 29 18:35:16 <SpeedEvil> PaulFertser: try Harlan Ellison - 'I have no mouth, and I must scream'.
Aug 29 18:35:37 <SpeedEvil> (It is - as you might guess by the title - not a happy story)
Aug 29 18:35:50 <PaulFertser> SpeedEvil: ok, great thanks.
Aug 29 18:36:01 * PaulFertser dreams of integrating some decent dictionary in FBReader
Aug 29 18:37:04 <PaulFertser> SpeedEvil: btw, IRC connection tracking in Linux does wonders -- no need to alter iptables config to use DCC :)
Aug 29 18:37:20 <SpeedEvil> :)
Aug 29 18:39:09 <PaulFertser> SpeedEvil: ever heard of ``Strugatskie brothers''?
Aug 29 18:39:32 <SpeedEvil> _vaguely_
Aug 29 18:39:39 <CIA-7> openmoko: 03werner * r5576 10/trunk/gta02-core/gta02-core.sch: - changed WLAN component reference pattern in overview sheet from 79xx to 80xx
Aug 29 18:40:03 <PaulFertser> SpeedEvil: they're the most famous russian SF authors i guess
Aug 29 18:40:17 <PaulFertser> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkady_and_Boris_Strugatsky
Aug 29 18:40:49 <SpeedEvil> PaulFertser: I don't recall reading anything by them.
Aug 29 18:41:22 <SpeedEvil> PaulFertser: seem interesting. Though I don't know about quality of translation.
Aug 29 18:42:24 <SpeedEvil> Actually - I think I may have read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roadside_Picnic
Aug 29 18:42:30 <SpeedEvil> I need a db of my books.
Aug 29 18:42:37 <SpeedEvil> (>3000 books in attic)
Aug 29 18:42:44 <PaulFertser> SpeedEvil: neither me. Also some parts are highly soviet-specific, supposed to be very familiar to any soviet scientist or engineer.
Aug 29 18:43:28 <SpeedEvil> PaulFertser: do you read fiction in english?
Aug 29 18:43:49 <PaulFertser> SpeedEvil: i've read Do Androids... in english.
Aug 29 18:43:57 <SpeedEvil> Or either russian or english as you find them.
Aug 29 18:44:19 <PaulFertser> SpeedEvil: also i've read some Asimov's book but i don't remember which in english.
Aug 29 18:45:24 <PaulFertser> SpeedEvil: the problem is that i don't know some words (not that many considering typical SF) and i tend to "guess" the meaning because i'm too lazy to lookup them in the dictionary. ;)
Aug 29 18:46:58 <Q-Master> Roadside Picnic roxx.
Aug 29 18:46:59 <SpeedEvil> Asimov tends to be very similar across all his books.
Aug 29 18:47:38 <vortex> AA also wrote some fascinating books on science for the layman.
Aug 29 18:47:49 <SpeedEvil> My local SF writer - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iain_M_Banks
Aug 29 18:49:50 <PaulFertser> vortex: i've read his book about the old testament from scientific POV (iirc)
Aug 29 18:51:46 <SpeedEvil> Who varies from the hardest SF to a a cult living in present day scotland.
Aug 29 18:52:25 <vortex> I thought IMB distinguished his SF and other work by whether or not he includes the M initial in the middle ...
Aug 29 18:55:06 <SpeedEvil> vortex: yes
Aug 29 18:55:19 <SpeedEvil> vortex: it is however the same person :)
Aug 29 19:54:52 <CIA-7> openmoko: 03daveb * r5577 10/trunk/gta02-core/modem.sch: modem updates - still WIP
Aug 29 20:01:29 <CIA-7> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r7ce7d1bb0825 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_generic.py: opimd: kill duplicates! We don't like them!
Aug 29 20:17:04 <CosmicDuck> badclud_: Thank you.
Aug 29 20:27:16 <CIA-7> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r2ab8a92f3f7e 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (pimd_generic.py pimd_messages.py): opimd: Messages: backport last changes from GenericDomain
Aug 29 20:31:26 <CIA-7> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r169c7e709736 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_messages_fso.py: opimd: SIM-Messages-FSO: fix deleting messages
Aug 29 20:43:24 <CIA-7> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r3a9408f7e6d0 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_messages_fso.py: opimd: SIM-Messages-FSO: another attempt to fix deleting
Aug 29 21:20:19 <CIA-7> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r238c8979e313 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_messages_fso.py: opimd: SIM-Messages-FSO: start preparing for GenericDomain migration
Aug 29 23:23:49 <Graf_Ithaka> is there already a lisp port for armv4t? I'd like to run maxima on the Neo :)
Aug 29 23:32:19 <DocScrutinizer> (roadsie_picnic) "Stalker" based on that book
Aug 29 23:32:38 <DocScrutinizer> Takovsky
Aug 30 00:11:50 <Graf_Ithaka> cu@all
Aug 30 01:12:30 <DocScrutinizer> ok, who was the one complaining about bash not executing .profile? Seems valaterm doesn't invoke bash as a login-shell. 'bash --interactive' seems to fix this for me
Aug 30 01:12:51 <DocScrutinizer> err 'bash --login' of course
Aug 30 01:17:18 <Daramarak> When I run iwlist scan on my FR I get the message that eth0 doesn't support scanning. Anyone got a clue why?
Aug 30 01:39:50 <ndnihil> Daramarak: you haven't enabled the device
Aug 30 02:24:26 <Daramarak> ndnihil: If you mean enabled as in turned it on. I have done that in the settings menu (SHR).
Aug 30 02:44:44 <ndnihil> I get that when I dont enable it before trying to scan
Aug 30 02:44:52 <ndnihil> tried removing and reloading the module?
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