**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 03 02:59:57 2009 Sep 03 05:45:00 http://www.magicjacksupport.com/howto-openwrt-mjmd5-w-multiple-ata-s-screenshots-t7029.html Sep 03 07:30:36 morning Sep 03 09:10:55 hi there :) Sep 03 09:25:28 gi Sep 03 09:25:31 hi* Sep 03 09:53:38 howdy all Sep 03 10:04:47 root@192.168.0.202's password: Sep 03 10:04:47 Permission denied, please try again. Sep 03 10:05:02 wtf?! Sep 03 10:06:47 ssh @192.168.0.202 Sep 03 10:07:14 most civilized systems have root-login via ssh disabled Sep 03 10:07:43 (or all) Sep 03 10:08:00 ! Sep 03 10:08:03 yes, but this error never occured before i upgraded my shr-u yesterday Sep 03 10:08:16 except for most shr or FR dists :) Sep 03 10:08:43 uncivlized distros =o( Sep 03 10:08:56 it used to be default to login as root without pw on shr after install Sep 03 10:09:15 hahah Sep 03 10:09:26 because the dropbear sshd is limited to the usb interface Sep 03 10:09:28 wonder if someone rooted my om2009 already Sep 03 10:09:36 ok Sep 03 10:10:50 i haven't followed development the past few weeks, but i don't think they switched over to openssh Sep 03 10:43:37 hey peobles, i want to create a bluetooth-application for the openmoko, which should make the filetransfer working in a easy way.. Sep 03 10:44:05 i made this on my laptop and want to transfer some files into moko to test it Sep 03 10:44:56 but i've got strange exceptions.. i don't know if this is because of the obex-server on the moko.. so does someone know how i could enable a logger? Sep 03 10:45:04 would be very nice! Sep 03 10:45:05 :) Sep 03 10:45:27 skamster____: a logger of what? Sep 03 10:45:34 of the obex-server Sep 03 10:45:51 to look, if the obex-server realy denie my access.. Sep 03 10:45:55 as example Sep 03 10:46:07 lightblue._obexcommon.OBEXError: server denied the Put request Sep 03 10:46:34 here i testet to send a pdf-file, but why the server should denie my access? Sep 03 10:47:07 in the shr manual it's written, the server does recive everything.. Sep 03 10:47:22 strace? Sep 03 10:48:04 no, it would just be nice to see, if the server REALY said, it's denied.. Sep 03 10:48:06 as example Sep 03 10:48:15 or if the failure is in my app Sep 03 10:49:44 skamster____: are you sure obex-server is bluez4-compatible Sep 03 10:50:32 mmh.. isn't bluez for scanning and obex for filetransfer and something like? i don't know exactly.. Sep 03 10:50:54 but if, then it mustn't be compitable, i think Sep 03 10:51:15 skamster____: ok, let me explain this Sep 03 10:51:37 ok Sep 03 10:52:09 skamster____: bluez4 performs as sdp server itself, it provides list of services available. Sep 03 10:52:13 ah, and i could transfer one little file.. just not a second Sep 03 10:52:58 skamster____: so whenever you start obex-server it should ask local bluez4 to add a obex-object-push to the list of the services available. Sep 03 10:53:53 skamster____: you can get a list of services provided by "sdptool browse" started from your PC. Sep 03 10:55:29 skamster____: if you can transfer one file but can't second, probably your SDP records are good but either obex-server is doing something wrong on your app. You can try another obex-server to test. Or look at obex-server's sources... Sep 03 10:56:30 mmh, yeah, but i ask me, if it's from my laptop-obex or from the moko-server Sep 03 10:56:40 lightblue._obexcommon.OBEXError: server denied the Put request Sep 03 10:58:06 skamster____: do you know you can do networking over bluetooth and just scp files? Sep 03 11:00:43 yeah, but scp isn't my target, because it's not bluetooth Sep 03 11:00:59 (i think you mean filetransfer over ssh?) Sep 03 11:02:07 skamster____: i mean you establish networking over bluetooth wireless and then transfer files the usual way. Sep 03 11:02:36 skamster____: obex is nasty and limited compared to that. Sep 03 11:04:10 mmh, oke.. are there some python-librarys for that? Sep 03 11:04:42 ehm, and.. how is this then with other mobilephones? Sep 03 11:04:46 is this compatible Sep 03 11:04:46 skamster____: for using scp or for configuring bluetooth networking? Sep 03 11:04:47 ? Sep 03 11:05:13 skamster____: well, winmobile supports bluetooth networking, dumb phones usually do not. Sep 03 11:05:47 mmh, there's a little bit my problem.. i want to share files with every bluetooth-phone.. Sep 03 11:06:08 but there's no alternative to obex? Sep 03 11:06:22 skamster____: in this case i think yes, no alternative Sep 03 11:06:33 damn.. Sep 03 11:07:21 skamster____: doesn't "blueman" app already supports all you need? Sep 03 11:07:52 is this for the openmoko? Sep 03 11:08:11 skamster____: it's a gui app supposed to work everywhere bluez4 runs... Sep 03 11:08:26 ah, ok.. Sep 03 11:08:46 i try it.. would be great, if it works.. Sep 03 11:08:48 :) Sep 03 11:12:49 but do you mean, it's useable on the openmoko-screen? Sep 03 11:14:33 skamster____: have never tried it actually anywhere since i prefer hardcore console way of doing things. But i guess if you try and report it'll be appreciated. BTW, instead of trying it on FR itself (to avoid compiling from source), just start a nested xserver on your host with 480x640 dimensions and run it from there. Sep 03 11:17:15 ah, and yes, as i see, the obex-server is always crashing.. Sep 03 11:17:32 because of this, i think, it always denied my access Sep 03 11:17:35 skamster____: i sent a patch to shr-devel, to add pybluez to the feed Sep 03 11:18:56 thx Sep 03 11:18:59 :) Sep 03 11:19:36 i also detect lightblue, it's a really good python-library to send files and something like (depends on pybluez) Sep 03 11:20:12 with pybluez you must use sockets, and these arent realy good documentated, as i see Sep 03 11:20:20 (on pybluez) Sep 03 12:04:29 Heinervdm: could you also commit my last changes for internationalisation in opimd-messages? Sep 03 12:06:17 skamster____: opimd-messages is dos1's script, so he should commit it Sep 03 12:07:12 mh, oke.. :) Sep 03 12:47:19 does anybody know what package /etc/frameworkd.conf is in? (SHR) does not seem to be frameworkd Sep 03 12:49:19 oh there is a frameworkd-config package Sep 03 12:49:32 piko: it's in frameworkd-config-shr Sep 03 12:50:09 Heinervdm: thanks :) Sep 03 12:50:20 Heinervdm: i did something which results in my phone freezing up Sep 03 12:50:24 <_jan> opkg search /etc/frameworkd.conf would have helped you :) Sep 03 12:50:46 i dont know why, it has to do with the idle timeout/suspend Sep 03 12:50:50 _jan: thanks :) Sep 03 12:51:12 _jan: i never understood what the search option was there for i use list|grep foo Sep 03 12:51:37 <_jan> search Search for a package providing Sep 03 12:51:38 <_jan> ;) Sep 03 12:51:59 <_jan> no problem Sep 03 12:52:29 _jan: i tried it without the path i think Sep 03 12:52:40 another time Sep 03 12:53:13 ok gotta reboot the phone bye Sep 03 12:53:22 thanks Sep 03 15:09:11 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07mickey * r745036ca091c 10libpersistence/src/ (5 files): replace critical() with proper errors Sep 03 15:16:06 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07mickey * rea75ddd17e0d 10libpersistence/ (6 files in 2 dirs): fix namespace and add missing throws statements Sep 03 15:19:25 would it be difficult to create an application that works like fsoraw, but that releases resources when the application is on another desktop? Sep 03 15:27:00 Xglamo eats up 100% of my cpu :( Sep 03 15:28:12 don't use it then Sep 03 15:28:50 poki_: when doing what? Sep 03 15:29:22 SpeedEvil: not sure yet, SHR just went to 100 and my screen froze but i could still ssh Sep 03 15:29:33 killed it and restarted works ok now Sep 03 15:29:45 will keep a eye on it and try to reproduce it Sep 03 15:32:28 SpeedEvil: its been overall buggy for a while now, i get segfaults from enlightenment, suspend has been a issue causing freezes, and now Xglamo Sep 03 15:33:04 i fixed some issues like 16bit engine causing segfaults, and i got a fresh frameworkd.conf Sep 03 15:33:13 to sort the suspend issues Sep 03 15:33:36 *sort out Sep 03 15:37:21 opkg upgrade? Sep 03 15:41:00 is it necessary to use neotools in order to install a bootloader or can the same task be carried out from the command line? Sep 03 15:41:25 yup Sep 03 15:41:39 dfu-utilities Sep 03 15:42:07 u dont need neo tools Sep 03 15:43:15 cheers slaxxer. Sep 03 15:53:42 ;) Sep 03 15:55:35 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * re50ccda3eed9 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/ (fsoframework-2.0.vapi plugin.vala subsystem.vala): libfsoframework: add shutdown() method to subsystem and plugin interfaces Sep 03 15:57:48 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r7bab6a18313b 10/fsousaged/src/bin/main.vala: fsousaged: register signal handlers for SIGBUS and SIGSEGV; call shutdown on forced exit Sep 03 16:15:45 is it necessary to activate any sim card with the provider in a secondary phone before inserting into the freerunner? Sep 03 16:19:35 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r437aa7be704c 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/ (fsoframework-2.0.vapi plugin.vala): Sep 03 16:19:35 freesmartphone.org: libfsoframework: define fso_shutdown_function that gets called (if present) during shutdown of a plugin Sep 03 16:19:35 freesmartphone.org: plugins should use that to save persistent data in order to improve restarting Sep 03 16:34:17 is qi the default bootloader on a7 version freerunners? Sep 03 16:35:58 LiL_mr-t: no idea, does it matter? Sep 03 16:37:50 lindi-, just received a new freerunner and reading through the wiki it mentions using qi bootloader for speed. Sep 03 16:38:33 lindi-, i basically want to use the freerunner as a mobile phone, not much more and gather i need to do some installing first? Sep 03 16:38:51 LiL_mr-t: hmm? Sep 03 16:40:16 lindi-, do i need to follow the wiki and install a new bootloader, updating the firmware and installing a new distro or am i good to go out of the box, basically? Sep 03 16:41:22 LiL_mr-t: you need a a lot of patience :) Sep 03 16:41:37 LiL_mr-t: but yes, take a look at the bug report about the calypso firmware upgrade Sep 03 16:41:40 :) right Sep 03 16:42:09 LiL_mr-t: you know what calypso is, right? ;) Sep 03 16:44:05 lindi-, nope! from my reading of the wiki, i've come up with the notion that i should install qi as the bootloader, make sure my firmware is moko11 and use the SHR distro... Sep 03 16:45:39 LiL_mr-t: do not trust wiki blindly Sep 03 16:45:51 LiL_mr-t: some people hype Qi, some don't :P Sep 03 16:46:12 LiL_mr-t: but calypso gsm firmware you _do_ need to update if you want reliable phone calls with suspend, that is a fact Sep 03 16:46:41 lindi-, yes reliable phone calls is a must :) Sep 03 16:47:41 LiL_mr-t: anyways, you need a lot of patience and time to learn Sep 03 16:48:47 will do lindi-. so far i've stuck a sdcard in it and a sim. should i format the sdcard first as ext2 or similar and then stick it in the freerunner? Sep 03 16:49:04 LiL_mr-t: in my opinion expecting FR to be a reliable phone is unreasonable even today. Sep 03 16:49:40 LiL_mr-t: you can do everything you need with the SD card from FR itself, after booting it from NAND. Sep 03 16:51:02 PaulFerster, thanks. would you say for receiving and making calls the FR is not reliable then at present? Sep 03 16:53:44 LiL_mr-t: i'd say it's not nearly as reliable as most dumb cellphones out there. Sep 03 16:55:01 PaulFerster... ahh! ;) well hopefully it will suffice to the point of making my wife believe it is! (jeez, i'm in trouble if it doesn't!!!) Sep 03 16:55:59 LiL_mr-t: hope you have enough unix experience to manage it... Sep 03 16:57:02 PaulFerster... so do i... =-O Sep 03 16:58:03 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07mickey * r8eae8f639a73 10libpersistence/ (src/jsontypeserializer.vala tests/tests.vala): add convenience function to register enum type marshaller (internally using the int marshallers) Sep 03 16:58:22 8212 -1 81.1 6.8 4:39.29 /usr/bin/Xglamo :0 -pn -dpi 285 -screen 640x480x16 Sep 03 16:58:23 LiL_mr-t: (bootloaders) i prefer Qi because code is simple and small, it has no environment and so it is more predictable and is less hassle to support. Sep 03 16:58:25 werd Sep 03 16:58:26 weird Sep 03 16:58:35 keeps happening Sep 03 16:58:58 LiL_mr-t: GSM/Flashing wikipage i'd say mandatory Sep 03 16:59:32 LiL_mr-t: use SHR unstable but be prepared that in case something happens and you update "at the wrong time" you can loose some functionality temporarily. Sep 03 17:00:37 PaulFertser: perhaps i upgraded at the wrong time Sep 03 17:00:59 piko: perhaps you're still using Xglamo instead of x.org, that's the main problem ;) Sep 03 17:01:16 im using what SHR was installed with Sep 03 17:01:27 *came installed with Sep 03 17:01:43 cheers PaulFerster. i'll take my time and hopefully get things working to a fairly satisfactory state. Sep 03 17:02:57 PaulFertser: why do you prefer xorg Sep 03 17:03:08 is it not slower? and without the graphics support Sep 03 17:04:11 * PaulFertser asks all users that reported problems with Wifi and the latest kernel to update (a new kernel with the controversial patch removed) to retest using recommended (FSO_resources wikipage) and other widely used ways. Report the results here to me or open tickets with how-to reproduce instruction at OM trac (category system software). Sep 03 17:04:23 piko: xorg without graphics support? lol Sep 03 17:04:52 sorry not without but slower Sep 03 17:05:27 without the optimizations Sep 03 17:05:36 piko: it's not, it's stable and fast and supported. Unlike xglamo which nobody touched for about a year. Sep 03 17:05:50 is it in shr? Sep 03 17:05:57 piko: i hope so Sep 03 17:07:09 PaulFertser: does not look like it (default) Sep 03 17:07:34 piko: default doesn't always mean best choice Sep 03 17:07:47 i meant in the default repo Sep 03 17:07:58 i dont want to mix because ive had alot of issues with that Sep 03 17:08:06 angstrom + shr == b0rk Sep 03 17:08:15 opkg + shr == b0rk Sep 03 17:18:46 piko: well, probably it's not available in shr... You shr users should have demanded it harder... Sep 03 17:19:41 cannot demand things from others who do it in their free time. Sep 03 17:19:59 but i will look into it, thanks Sep 03 17:20:28 demanded what? Sep 03 17:20:41 Undrwater: packaging xf86-glamo driver Sep 03 17:21:06 how is that different then the current? Sep 03 17:21:27 Undrwater: you mean it's already packaged? Then please tell piko how to install it. Sep 03 17:21:41 PaulFertser: any reason why the bootloader directory recommends the uImage-2.6.28-stable for the gta02? i'm just about to download qi you see... Sep 03 17:22:24 LiL_mr-t: well, currently i recommend using the kernel from shr-unstable, it's the latest and the greatest. Sep 03 17:22:31 shr has xserver-kdrive-glamo Sep 03 17:23:02 Undrwater: kdrive is old, deprecated and it's buggy and sucks. Sep 03 17:23:13 ahhh... Sep 03 17:23:48 is it non-trivial to build xf86-glamo? Sep 03 17:23:59 Undrwater: i guess it's not hard Sep 03 17:24:24 some distro is using it already? Sep 03 17:24:37 PaulFerster, so... qi for bootloader, moko11 for firmware and shr-unstable for distro, have i got that right? Sep 03 17:24:43 LiL_mr-t: yes Sep 03 17:24:55 cheers Sep 03 17:25:11 Undrwater: if you refer to thomas driver supporting kms then i don't think so Sep 03 17:25:16 as itis not yet stable enoug Sep 03 17:25:18 h Sep 03 17:26:03 bumbl: on the ML some folks seem to have no complaints...though thomas reports there are some problems... Sep 03 17:26:28 PaulFertser: is xf86-glamo available on a specific distro? Sep 03 17:26:44 Undrwater: it is available in Debian e.g. Sep 03 17:27:12 hmmm... Sep 03 17:28:50 gentoo as well...interesting Sep 03 17:40:20 PaulFertser: for clarification: fsoraw -r will use the resource so long as is alive, then release the resource after it is closed / killed, correct? No further argument needed? Sep 03 17:46:42 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rff1242d731be 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: Sep 03 17:46:42 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: ignore empty alphanumerical provider strings (happening for new providers) Sep 03 17:46:42 freesmartphone.org: NOTE: Clients should use the SIM issuer instead, if registered to the home network. Sep 03 17:46:42 freesmartphone.org: For this you have to call org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.GetSimIssuer() though, hence Sep 03 17:46:44 freesmartphone.org: for layering purposes, we're not allowed to do it transparently in GetStatus(). Sep 03 17:46:46 freesmartphone.org: Fixes FSO #465 Sep 03 17:50:10 Undrwater: yes, that's enough. But if you want to supply some arguments to you need to add -- before it. Sep 03 17:50:51 Undrwater: and it's frameworkd that will release the resource, not fsoraw. Fsoraw just stays on dbus message bus. And as soon as it disappears from that, the resource will be released. Sep 03 17:53:26 cool...is there a way to notify that an app has been using a resource after ? Sep 03 17:53:54 i had navit hidden last night and forgot about it...returned to a dead phone Sep 03 17:57:57 Undrwater: bash -c 'navit & sleep n; xmessage "blablabla"' Sep 03 17:58:15 Undrwater: btw, navit doesn't require fsoraw, it will contact fso-gpsd which requests the resource automatically. Sep 03 17:59:30 PaulFertser: ahhh...but it won't request Display :) Sep 03 17:59:43 Undrwater: yes :) Sep 03 18:00:16 shr is using sh instead of bash...will that work just as well? Sep 03 18:01:37 Undrwater: shr is using busybox instead of bash. But it should still work. Sep 03 18:02:19 is xmessage part of busybox? it's not on my system and not available with the repo Sep 03 18:03:35 Undrwater: it's some common X utility Sep 03 18:27:47 last question (for the next 2 hours or so ;)) if an app is started with fsoraw (such as the navit example with Display), and i put the phone in suspend; what is the expected result? Sep 03 18:29:00 Undrwater: i guess expected result is suspend, if nobody's CPU resource requested at that time. Sep 03 18:29:17 what happens with Display, then? Sep 03 18:29:52 Undrwater: well, the device is suspended, display is turned off Sep 03 18:30:16 but not released, per se? Sep 03 18:30:38 ok, managed to make a connection over usb, can ping the FR, however when i try and ssh into it, i get a connection refused response? Sep 03 18:30:46 Undrwater: not released, sure Sep 03 18:30:49 so if the phone came out of suspend, navit will restart, keeping Display available Sep 03 18:31:03 LiL_mr-t: are you sure you're pinging FR and not your host? Sep 03 18:31:14 Undrwater: navit will not restart, it will continue running. Sep 03 18:31:55 right...keep running...ok...that answers why my phone died...i suspended it, but someone called me...while the phone was in the car... Sep 03 18:32:22 Undrwater: some folks use auto-suspend feature Sep 03 18:32:53 as do i...but if Display is set, doesn't that bypass it? Sep 03 18:33:11 well, have run, "sudo ip address add 192.168.0.200/22 dev usb0" and "sudo ip link set dev usb0 up", i ping 192.168.0.200 and get a response. Sep 03 18:34:01 LiL_mr-t: .0.200 is the host. :P Sep 03 18:34:13 .0.202 is the phone Sep 03 18:34:19 oops! Sep 03 18:34:33 Undrwater: there probably was some bug about it, supposed to be solved by fsousaged (you need to specifically enable it instead of ousaged). Sep 03 18:34:47 apologies Sep 03 18:34:53 ok now Sep 03 18:34:55 No problem, LiL_mr-t Sep 03 18:37:33 PaulFertser: where is that enabled? Sep 03 18:38:35 Undrwater: frameworkd.conf Sep 03 18:43:08 so: [ousaged] disable=1 Sep 03 19:08:46 how do i know when qi has been installed? i've got to the bootmenu and run flash your neo from neotool, checking only bootloader. Sep 03 19:09:35 LiL_mr-t: i don't use neotool, it's some gui app Sep 03 19:09:53 PaulFertser: yes Sep 03 19:10:03 LiL_mr-t: if you used dfu-util directly, you'd see the output and would have no doubt about what is done and what is not. Sep 03 19:10:27 ok Sep 03 19:10:42 are there instructions on the wiki for it? Sep 03 19:12:44 LiL_mr-t: sure Sep 03 19:22:47 neotool uses dfu-util and shows progress in terminal just like dfu-util Sep 03 19:24:07 Undrwater: well, i've seen neotool users usually complaining/asking something weird without any chance to help them. On the contrary, when one is using dfu-util he just pastebins the output and you can understand what's going on there. Sep 03 19:24:29 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r7de0a39c1ea2 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:framework into dos/opimd-tracking Sep 03 19:24:38 for pastebin, i can understand that Sep 03 19:25:10 hmm...maybe it's because i use neotool from the command line Sep 03 19:34:22 PaulFertser: think qi has installed. when i boot now it shows 4 unknown boot options, a fail and then another message and boots into the gui. it's a lot quicker than previously. does that sound correct? Sep 03 19:46:38 LiL_mr-t: qi never shows anything Sep 03 19:53:28 PaulFertser: i installed using dfu-util, which displayed what was going on and it said it had installed fine. i do however get 4 unknown boot option messages, debugs dir failed and power supply something or other message... it's small and difficult to see! Sep 03 19:53:55 the phone does boot however without issue. Sep 03 19:54:48 LiL_mr-t: ah, 4 unknown boot option messages are ok, that's what kernel outputs on boot. Sep 03 19:57:42 PaulFertser: yep, it's at boot. debugs dir creation failed and power supply bat failed to report status properly are the other two messages that follow the unknown boot option messages. Sep 03 19:59:35 LiL_mr-t: all that is ok Sep 03 20:01:39 PaulFertser: great. i'll leave the moko11 update as the boot menu reports my FR has moko12. i'm going to try and install shr unstable now... Sep 03 20:02:57 I pity the fool, a little bit... Sep 03 20:02:59 LiL_mr-t: boot menu is talking about another moko, not related to gsm firmware version. Sep 03 20:06:36 ah, cheers... gsm update next it is then! Sep 03 20:08:28 what does that update do anyways? Sep 03 20:52:33 does qtmoko have the screeching noise that shr has on gsm? Sep 03 20:53:01 I think you haven't buzzfix Sep 03 20:53:12 its hardware bug, not software Sep 03 20:55:17 max_posedon: btw, does your FR make high-pitch sound when the screen is rotated? Sep 03 20:56:11 max_posedon: i'm yet to try to do anything about it... I didn't have it at first but i tried older kernels already, no change, still noisy. And it doesn't look like it can be bootloader-related. Sep 03 20:56:57 I don't rotate screen Sep 03 20:58:07 max_posedon: try that Sep 03 20:59:11 and what next? Sep 03 21:00:22 oh, now I remember what I don't Sep 03 21:00:37 after 2nd rotate tslib broken Sep 03 21:00:51 he doesn't understand when I touch anymore Sep 03 21:01:14 shr should switch to xf86-video-glamo as fast as possible Sep 03 21:03:36 max_posedon: they promised to do that for several months already. Sep 03 21:04:14 max_posedon: but tbh it's not xglamo, for me TS worked "ok" after i rotated to the initial position, no matter how many times i tried. Sep 03 21:04:14 ha, I remember when they promised openssh by default) Sep 03 21:04:35 anyway, Its just remind me about gentoo stuff Sep 03 21:07:09 since paroli is integrating ,will we lose the dialer an phone app thats already in shr? Sep 03 21:07:26 slaxxer: no Sep 03 21:07:29 slaxxer: you'll have a choice Sep 03 21:19:47 slaxxer: someone complained about both apps poping up concurrently when inbound call and he can answer using either of them Sep 03 21:20:09 slaxxer: just a few hours ago :-) Sep 03 21:22:26 It's a feature! Sep 03 21:22:51 Now ideally it should support ringtone per dialer in each speaker Sep 03 21:23:02 lol Sep 03 21:23:13 on gta02 we got only one Sep 03 21:23:34 SpeedEvil: and what if you finally start a 3rd dialer app? Sep 03 21:24:01 hmm, i have tried over and over to format an mini sdcard to ext2 (fine, nor problems) and then run the command sudo dd if=flash-moko11-2.image of=/dev/sdc1 (seems to go fine). however when i try and boot from the mini sdcard in the FR, it says it can't read uimage.bin? Sep 03 21:24:50 SpeedEvil: btw you can easily config that way (each speaker) once fso moves ringtone from oeventsd (or whatever) to generic dialer task Sep 03 21:24:59 LiL_mr-t: no wonder Sep 03 21:25:09 LiL_mr-t: you should have read README more carefully Sep 03 21:25:36 going back to read now... Sep 03 21:25:43 LiL_mr-t: do you boot from NOR(!) uboot? Sep 03 21:25:53 DocScrutinizer: yes, he installed Qi already Sep 03 21:26:12 sure. can tell from error msg Sep 03 21:27:27 I really dunno how I could myke my readme and wiki even more clear. go from 14pt to 36pt? Sep 03 21:27:52 PaulFertser: oops! no need for the 1... so sorry! Sep 03 21:28:12 DocScrutinizer: i guess then users will again start to think it's very dangerous and complex ;) Sep 03 21:28:26 fsck Sep 03 21:30:54 LiL_mr-t: btw the dd was chosen by me to save you from the need to format the microSD, ext2 or whatever Sep 03 21:32:23 LiL_mr-t: dd does all the partitioning and formating for you, implicitly Sep 03 21:33:27 DocScrutinizer, my total apologies. it is totally me and not your instructions. Sep 03 21:33:29 it's really as simple as in the wiki and readme: download, untar, dd, boot Sep 03 21:34:30 DocScrutinizer: sometimes you spend considerable time doing simple things, sometimes hard things are done fast, who knows. Imagine who i was surprised after flashing gta01 and being unable to boot. Sep 03 21:34:36 LiL_mr-t: well, if you succeed at last, everything fine :-) Sep 03 21:36:04 DocScrutinizer: i still don't understand why it didn't boot from nand (because it did with the old u-boot that was already installed on device). Anyway, waiting for weekend in the hope i'll have enough time for lowlevel hacking with it. Now i need to finally obtain something resembling an SMT-capable soldering iron and i'll be set ;) Sep 03 21:37:17 PaulFertser: different mtdparts of 01 and 02? Sep 03 21:38:12 PaulFertser: completely different interface to uSD? Sep 03 21:38:25 DocScrutinizer: thought about that... Obviously i use gta01 qi that has gta01 partition map hardcoded. Possibly the u-boot config that was on this device used non-standard NAND partitioning. Sep 03 21:38:30 But i doubt that. Sep 03 21:38:56 hmm, dunno Qi Sep 03 21:39:39 DocScrutinizer: i do know :D Sep 03 21:39:50 PaulFertser: well I guess you got a debubo Sep 03 21:40:00 DocScrutinizer: of course gta01 Qi port uses different method for accessing uSd. Sep 03 21:40:17 really? ;-P Sep 03 21:40:37 DocScrutinizer: i'll get diy usb-uart converter tomorrow evening. And anyway after reseating uSD i can boot gta01 just fine, so the problem is void. Sep 03 21:40:45 glamo-emulator-lib? Sep 03 21:41:33 ooh, so it was a simple contact problem of uSD?? Sep 03 21:41:45 DocScrutinizer: looks like that Sep 03 21:41:52 DocScrutinizer: at least i don't think i changed anything else Sep 03 21:42:02 duh, that's TOO simple :-D Sep 03 21:42:03 DocScrutinizer: just swapped the card several times with my other card. Sep 03 21:42:13 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07mickey * r5f0e1ca54052 10libpersistence/ (src/jsontypeserializer.vala tests/tests.vala): can serialize some types of Gee.Map now Sep 03 21:42:37 what's mickey doing there again? Sep 03 21:43:24 jsontypeserializer? Gee.Map?? o.O Sep 03 21:43:45 PaulFertser: DocScrutinizer, something is happening! so sorry for the stupidity. it really is so clear in the readme. i'm not the brightest of bulbs to be honest... infact i wouldn't bother trying to read if i was lighting the room! Sep 03 21:44:12 mickeyl, hi! pls fix fsousaged/vala compilation issue Sep 03 21:44:31 sighandler_t not defined if _GNU_SOURCE not defined Sep 03 21:44:57 (e.g. fsousaged doesn't compile because of missing define/wrong vala generated file) Sep 03 21:45:03 (gcc-4.4.1 glibc-2.9) Sep 03 21:45:36 LiL_mr-t: hehe Sep 03 21:46:37 max_posedon: configure.ac contains AC_GNU_SOURCE Sep 03 21:46:41 should work and does here Sep 03 21:47:58 ah... may be I compiled little bit older version Sep 03 21:50:03 i noticed opkg-link in the repos...is this what i think it is? allowing for install of apps on sd and providing linking? Sep 03 21:50:27 mickeyl, sorry, I compiled tagged version which haven't all is fine now, thanks, may be little retagging? Sep 03 21:50:55 (following master isn't very nice for all distros except shr may be) Sep 03 21:51:00 just use the last tag Sep 03 21:51:12 i released something some days ago Sep 03 21:51:12 ok Sep 03 21:51:39 DocScrutinizer: working on infrastructure to save objects to a file and restore them for them. goal is to save the resource state from fsousaged so that it can seamlessly restart Sep 03 21:52:06 aah Sep 03 21:52:13 thanks mickeyl Sep 03 21:52:21 :) Sep 03 21:52:36 ~seen Zorkman Sep 03 21:52:40 zorkman was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 4d 5h 40s ago, saying: 'openvibe gives much more pleasure ;-)'. Sep 03 21:54:07 PaulFertser: ok... i can't read what it actually says but i can make out angstrom or something. has appeared in green at bottom of screen. does this mean the gsm firmware is updated? Sep 03 21:54:08 mickeyl: are you still going to have a crashy fsousaged? ;) Sep 03 21:54:28 heh, well Sep 03 21:54:33 LiL_mr-t: 9d_o_n_e1 now finally? Sep 03 21:54:38 LiL_mr-t: should appear DONE in large colored chars Sep 03 21:54:38 this is C Sep 03 21:55:05 PaulFertser: where is that camera bug?? ;-P Sep 03 21:56:02 DocScrutinizer, PaulFertser, no... green section at bottom of screen says Angstrom in large green letters Sep 03 21:56:03 mickeyl: tbh i still don't get it: if it doesn't crash, no need to restart then? What am i missing? Sep 03 21:56:16 LiL_mr-t: yes you're at finish line when angstrom is printed Sep 03 21:56:47 the "d_o_n_e" is one line above, in normal size Sep 03 21:57:09 DocScrutinizer, so shall i wait a little longer for a big green done!? ;) Sep 03 21:57:19 LiL_mr-t: no Sep 03 21:57:25 no, it's finished Sep 03 21:57:40 DocScrutinizer, thanks Sep 03 21:57:49 np, yw Sep 03 21:57:51 LiL_mr-t: you should go sleeping now, tomorrow will make everything clear ;) Sep 03 21:58:06 hehe Sep 03 21:58:11 . o O ( /me should go sleeping too ) Sep 03 21:58:59 he PaulFertser - Friday tomorrow. And not yet 3'o even at your TZ. Why going to sleep?? Sep 03 21:59:02 PaulFertser: seamless restartability is good for more than just crash recovery. Sep 03 21:59:24 DocScrutinizer: going to get up at ~8am to go to work on friday Sep 03 21:59:48 oh, didn't know Sep 03 22:00:20 tommorow is friday? Sep 03 22:00:22 Well, i usually sleep after work and before work, not quite efficient but i guess i got used to it from the school days even. Sep 03 22:00:27 max_posedon: today is friday :) Sep 03 22:00:54 oh, crazy... Sep 03 22:01:24 Undrwater: seems nobody ever heard of opkg-link Sep 03 22:04:06 max_posedon: PaulFertser: per RFC973451 definition morning is when a participant enters IRC, and evening/night is when he leaves. So it's perfectly possible this evening and tomorrow morning are both Friday ;-P Sep 03 22:04:31 mickeyl, btw, may you from time to time, release snapshots (to http://www.freesmartphone.org/sources/ ) Sep 03 22:04:59 snapshots? of what? Sep 03 22:05:12 * pieterc is booting his freerunner for the first time in 30 days due to examinations Sep 03 22:05:17 max_posedon: yes, i usually do that, when i tag something. for some reason, the last set is missing Sep 03 22:05:39 DocScrutinizer: the FSO set of programs Sep 03 22:05:41 pieterc: I hope you removed bat for that 30 day period Sep 03 22:05:41 and libs Sep 03 22:06:20 mickeyl: you now fsoraw? Sep 03 22:06:26 Know even Sep 03 22:06:56 yes, i rewrote it in vala lately Sep 03 22:07:01 sitting in cornucopia/tools/ Sep 03 22:07:04