**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 18 02:59:56 2009 Sep 18 07:09:37 good day everyone ,who is openmoko list admin ? Sep 18 08:50:23 is there any sites that are still active with zuarus Sep 18 10:23:25 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07vala-dbus-binding-tool * ra346ea6a92ed 10/configure.ac: post-release version bump Sep 18 11:08:39 ~ping Sep 18 11:08:40 ~pong Sep 18 12:27:25 I upgraded my SHR unstable yesterday around 24:00GMT, today I had to use a pay phone. Is this a known side effect? Sep 18 12:30:03 Daramarak: what's not working? Sep 18 12:31:26 My phone apps won't start. I get an error box (too large for the screen) which say "dialer stopped running unexpectedly", "There was no error message" Sep 18 12:32:31 Wait, advanced say "dialer was interrupted by an Abort Signal" Sep 18 12:33:38 did you reboot after upgrade? Sep 18 12:33:59 Yep, as soon as I noticed this problem I rebooted, but to no avail. Sep 18 12:34:38 I also got a bluetooth icon when I pull down the taskbar. Haven't seen that before. Sep 18 12:35:45 That means bluetooth is running, normally fso is shutting that donw Sep 18 12:35:59 so frameworkd isn't running for you Sep 18 12:36:20 please start frameworkd from console and look at the log Sep 18 12:37:37 "Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged" ??? Sep 18 12:37:48 says the frameworkd Sep 18 12:37:55 No thats nothing Sep 18 12:38:03 darn Sep 18 12:38:18 Which log should I check? Sep 18 12:38:36 frameworkd doesn't crash? Sep 18 12:39:06 i meant the console output Sep 18 12:39:15 no, the only message I get is the one I gave. Sep 18 12:39:46 strange, there have to be some messages about starting the subsystems Sep 18 12:41:32 is something strange in /var/log/frameworkd.log? Sep 18 12:42:27 It was running, stop returned stopped process in pidfile Sep 18 12:44:13 but when it's running the pin input has to show up Sep 18 12:44:26 It doesn't Sep 18 12:44:45 fsogsmd? Sep 18 12:44:51 don't know what's going on there... Sep 18 12:45:04 Could not write to "/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron Sep 18 12:45:16 iirc mickey fixed sth in FSogsmd yesterday Sep 18 12:45:34 gps is a don't-care Sep 18 12:45:43 true Sep 18 12:46:01 above msg even is normal Sep 18 12:46:19 it tries to write to gta01 and gta02 position of pwron, so it's normal that you get that message once Sep 18 12:46:30 yep Sep 18 12:46:41 not related to GSM though Sep 18 12:47:20 I suggest a "ps ax|grep gsmd" Sep 18 12:47:47 but I'm not sure about that, and have no way to check right now Sep 18 12:48:39 Cannot register resource GSM since ousaged is not present. Sep 18 12:48:52 ok Sep 18 12:48:56 that's a problem Sep 18 12:49:02 then the upgrade removed fsousaged Sep 18 12:49:18 reinstall :) Sep 18 12:50:29 DocScrutinizer: That is what happens when I am sensible and let my phone upgrade during the night. Sep 18 12:51:47 Looks like Ill have to repeat the process tonight... Sep 18 12:52:00 Daramarak: sigh. what can I say Sep 18 12:52:38 did you update all the config files? Sep 18 12:52:45 Yep Sep 18 12:52:54 hmm Sep 18 12:53:05 no idea Sep 18 12:53:11 reinstall fsousaged Sep 18 12:53:28 well, I did a opkg update and a opkg upgrade, isn't that all? Sep 18 12:53:41 opkg install fsousaged Sep 18 12:54:02 there is some error sometimes that removed fsousaged Sep 18 12:54:09 Heinervdm: No net on my FR now :( Sep 18 12:54:37 fsousaged is still installed? Sep 18 12:55:44 Heinervdm: Looks like it, when I try to run I get "error while loading share libraries: libfsobasics.so.O Sep 18 12:56:13 hmm, probably that was removed Sep 18 12:56:13 for some reason when my gsm boots up it doesn't register with a network, and then it says SOS only Sep 18 12:56:14 heh, that sounds like a reasonable clue Sep 18 12:56:51 Perhaps I lost my connection to the net during the night or something... Sep 18 12:57:16 Easy to fix anyhow. Update and upgrade I guess. Sep 18 12:58:01 You can always try downgrading Sep 18 12:58:31 tomcatek: Yes, if option 1 fails. Sep 18 12:58:52 haha, my sim wasn't inserted properly Sep 18 12:59:02 i'm a tard this morning. Sep 18 12:59:13 hehe Sep 18 12:59:26 Murphy's law :] Sep 18 12:59:58 haha, do you guys know if gprs is functioning in shr after upgrading? Sep 18 13:01:38 I upgraded yesterday Sep 18 13:01:40 SHR has come a long way in the last few months. Sep 18 13:01:50 and it's working for me :) Sep 18 13:02:05 excellent. mine is upgrading now Sep 18 13:03:26 time for a smoke Sep 18 13:16:20 how do you downgrade? Sep 18 13:17:33 man opkg? Sep 18 13:17:48 there shoukd be something Sep 18 13:17:56 or opkg --help :) Sep 18 13:18:01 no manuals on FR :/ Sep 18 13:18:05 after i upgraded the gsm modem stopped working Sep 18 13:19:07 shr tends to break every once in a while, wait a day and use a new image Sep 18 13:19:31 could you read last 50 lines backscroll please Sep 18 13:20:30 ha, it decided to work Sep 18 13:23:55 andrew2325: You lucky bastard, I have to code the whole libsfobasics.so using only vi, my freerunner and an old pen as stylus. Sep 18 13:24:13 andrew2325: And that only to make a phonecall. Sep 18 14:17:28 hi all Sep 18 14:19:23 I have some question about audio recording Sep 18 14:22:53 I try to use alsa_ctl -f recording.state Sep 18 14:22:56 and arecord Sep 18 14:23:07 but the file is always fill with nice 0 Sep 18 14:23:20 so maybe I have some wrong in recording.state. Sep 18 14:23:39 I would like to register from a mic. Seems that I have only the possiblity to have stereo Sep 18 14:23:52 recording. Sep 18 14:44:47 Just got me an 2,5mm to 3,5mm adapter. In Sweden http://www.kjell.com/?item=39691&path=470000000,470500000,475500000 Sep 18 14:47:12 TeLLuS: that has right pinout? Sep 18 14:54:50 lindi-: Well it sounds right so far. I'm trying to verify.. Sep 18 14:56:24 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r7e781b73b0fa 10/fsodeviced/configure.ac: Sep 18 14:56:25 freesmartphone.org: fsodeviced: bump version requirements Sep 18 14:56:27 freesmartphone.org: release as 0.1.0.0 Sep 18 14:56:29 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r4c4404195256 10/ (26 files in 13 dirs): Merge commit 'origin/master' Sep 18 14:56:34 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r34d4045ae2cb 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/dbus.vala: fsodeviced: comment out generic class that doesn't compile w/ 0.7.6 atm. Sep 18 14:56:39 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r5623733197a4 10/libfsoframework/configure.ac: post-release version bump Sep 18 14:56:42 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * raff9bad1175d 10/fsousaged/configure.ac: fsousaged: post-release version bump Sep 18 14:56:47 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rec6cdb4626c5 10/fsotimed/configure.ac: fsotimed: post-release version bump Sep 18 14:56:50 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r2bebc4b3c180 10/fsonetworkd/configure.ac: fsonetworkd: post-release version bump Sep 18 14:56:53 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rbca203ff6af3 10/libfsobasics/fsobasics/logger.vala: fsobasics: logger: fix overriding log_level by setting FSO_LOG_LEVEL Sep 18 14:57:00 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r37cb9e4a9ec7 10/fsogsmd/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fsogsmd: introduce channel timeout and retry counter for commands Sep 18 14:57:03 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * rc99736e576ae 10/configure.ac: post-release version bump Sep 18 14:57:06 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libfso-glib * r57fb42624c9e 10/ (configure.ac src/Makefile.am): post-release version bump Sep 18 14:57:11 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710 * re9487365efb0 10/configure.ac: post-release version dump Sep 18 14:57:14 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * r4526dba4a7fa 10/ (Makefile.am configure.ac gsm0710mux/multiplexer.vala): Sep 18 14:57:17 freesmartphone.org: catch up with vala 0.7.6 Sep 18 14:57:19 freesmartphone.org: release as 0.9.0 Sep 18 14:57:21 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * r4344571dcbfe 10/configure.ac: post-release version bump Sep 18 14:57:26 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-term * r0a71ec3e2fcd 10/src/main.vala: restore console settings before quit Sep 18 14:58:12 wow. lot of work tonight Sep 18 14:59:06 lindi-: Found it.. Playback Mono Mix, Not perfect, Left is right and right is left.. It is easy to correct manually.. :) Way ok for me.. Sep 18 15:00:09 Adding to wiki.. Sep 18 15:11:41 PaulFertser, but we have some trouble when the freerunner try to record somenthig Sep 18 15:11:53 I have some panic Sep 18 15:22:47 Hello everybody Sep 18 15:24:48 I have a question about connecting to a WEP Protected WLAN Sep 18 15:26:15 Cristianpark: Please remove protected and add insecure instead.. Sep 18 15:26:31 :) Sep 18 15:27:59 TeLLuS: You're right :D Sep 18 15:28:38 anyway, that's the method of the WLAN. Take a look of this please http://tinypaste.com/8c368 Sep 18 15:29:06 you can see the network part of my wpa_supplicant.conf file and the error I have Sep 18 15:33:59 hi...in SHR how i can launch a script when i resume? Sep 18 15:34:23 it is for re-connect bt headdset Sep 18 15:34:28 after suspend Sep 18 16:52:49 Weekend.. now at home. Adapter also working in car (Prius) after an extra reconnect to detect it. Sep 18 16:53:22 Cristianpark: Ehm. Line 27: Invalid passphrase length 5 (expected: 8..63) 'piolo"'. Sep 18 16:56:09 Cristianpark: I just use Mokonnect for my WPA or open networks Sep 18 16:57:12 TeLLuS: Yeah, but what can I do if the passphrase is of 5 characters of length? Don't say that change the length, because I can't do this, it's not my WLAN Sep 18 17:02:53 TeLLuS: Thanks for your answers. i've not be able to connect with Mokonnect with my WPA-WLAN at home, but with wpa_supplicant form, it worked well (probed a couple of time) Sep 18 17:04:42 Cristianpark: Sometimes it only works on the first try. If it did not work I had to restart to try again.. Lokking for how wpa_supplicant enters hex and ascii Sep 18 17:08:26 TeLLuS: good point, wpa_supplicant general information will help me o do I have to search OpenMoko specific one Sep 18 17:08:28 ? Sep 18 17:09:23 Cristianpark: Have you tried To put pw inside of " Sep 18 17:10:45 Cristianpark: Ahh, found it now.. # Keys specified without quotes are hex keys Sep 18 17:11:24 TeLLuS: thanks, I'll try and I'll tell yo Sep 18 17:12:10 TeLLuS: It works!!!!!! Sep 18 17:12:17 thank you so much Sep 18 17:16:26 By the way guys, there is another web browser apart of Midori? I found it very unusable Sep 18 17:16:42 Cristianpark: firefox? Sep 18 17:17:40 lindi: I never heard of firefox on OM, I'll search about it....sweet Sep 18 17:18:26 dont think firefox runs on the OM ;) Sep 18 17:18:30 there's also Dillo Sep 18 17:18:33 tschaka: what's OM? Sep 18 17:18:38 you could try woosh. but i dont know the state of it Sep 18 17:18:39 tschaka: the distro or the hardware? Sep 18 17:18:46 lindi- the hardware. Sep 18 17:18:52 tschaka: firefox runs here Sep 18 17:19:04 fluently? Sep 18 17:19:30 debian? Sep 18 17:19:49 Cristianpark btw, when u r on SHR there is NWA as connection manager. check the wiki. works flawlessly here. Sep 18 17:19:50 Lindi-All: Sorry, I refer to OpenMoko as the hardware Sep 18 17:19:52 tschaka: not very but it runs :) Sep 18 17:19:59 lindi- ;) Sep 18 17:20:30 tschaka: got something to benchmark it? Sep 18 17:20:40 Cristianpark: Do you use version 0.1.10 of Midori? Sep 18 17:20:40 nope. Sep 18 17:25:23 TeLLuS: I'm in midori fullscreen and I don't know how to quit this mode Sep 18 17:26:15 how do you find F* Keys on the keypad on SHR? Sep 18 17:31:10 yesterday .. i did opkg upgrade on my SHR-U ..after tht GSM is not working Sep 18 17:31:21 any way to degrade to the last version Sep 18 17:33:54 UberNeo: Have you upgraded you GSM-chip? Sep 18 17:34:38 no ..but previously it was wrking fine Sep 18 17:38:04 UberNeo i read somewhere that reinstalling libfsotransport0 might fix this. am unsure though Sep 18 17:38:31 hw do i reinstall it Sep 18 17:40:01 opkg install libfsotransport0 Sep 18 17:40:50 k Sep 18 17:53:08 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r3e0646c8c69c 10/misc-vapi/tests/Makefile.am: misc-vapi: libasound is now called alsa Sep 18 17:57:40 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r8dbed919b4ae 10/misc-vapi/vapi/posixextra.vapi: misc-vapi: posixextra.vapi: add more posix networking Sep 18 18:33:02 hi Sep 18 18:51:48 I have to enter via ssh and kill the midori proccess :S Sep 18 18:52:22 but it start in fullscreen mode after that :S Sep 18 18:52:27 panicking: hey Sep 18 18:52:27 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * re433ea775d27 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/commandqueue.vala: fsogsmd: put constant into interface (valid in vala 0.7.6) Sep 18 18:52:29 panicking: :D Sep 18 18:52:45 whats the command to force-reinstall a package Sep 18 18:52:50 panicking: record from alsa? I hope you're not using DAI 01 mode, are you? Sep 18 18:55:03 gt it opkg install libfsotransport0 -force-reinstall Sep 18 18:55:34 hw do we check whether frameworkd is running or not Sep 18 18:57:00 UberNeo: pgrep frameworkd ? Sep 18 19:23:50 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * raf473182f089 10/ (13 files in 2 dirs): org.freesmartphone.GSM.*: properly document errors in the new style Sep 18 19:25:20 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r8a630da831c1 10/org.freesmartphone.GSM/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.xml.in: org.freesmartphone.GSM: outcomment problematic interface for now Sep 18 19:25:31 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r35639e0da4bc 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): regen Sep 18 19:27:27 Cristianpark: You can also hit the power key and end current program from there. You can also end by selecting the location (URL-field) get the popup keyboard and hit Ctrl + q to end it.. About fullscreen. Find i softkeybord or a real USB-one with F-keys.. Will see if we find some other way.. Sep 18 19:31:56 TeLLuS: Thanks for the tips, I searched for some midori configuration file that reminds the screen size where the fullscreen mode is storage 'cause every time now that I start Midori it opens in full screen mode :S Sep 18 19:33:35 Cristianpark maybe try (re)moving .midori from the home dir? Sep 18 19:34:26 maybe its .config/midori, dunno Sep 18 19:35:26 what is the problem with midori? Sep 18 19:35:30 tschaka: You hit on the target Sep 18 19:35:45 on .config/midori/config : Sep 18 19:35:46 last-window-state=MIDORI_WINDOW_FULLSCREEN Sep 18 19:35:54 congrats :) Sep 18 19:36:06 Thank You Sep 18 19:36:15 you're welcome Sep 18 19:36:22 Fullscreen Button is back in next build of midori, if you missed that Sep 18 19:36:25 i recently installed SHR-U on uSD ..firsrt time it works ..but after 1st shutddown ,,when i m pressing power button ..nothing is happening ..only the Aux red light is glowing continuously Sep 18 19:37:15 Heinervdm: The problem was that I put Midori fullscreen and I did'n know how to quit Sep 18 19:37:31 and after that, it keeps executing on fullscreen mode Sep 18 19:37:56 UberNeo: Perhaps the battery is low? Sep 18 19:38:03 Cristianpark: i change default config for midori, so that there will be a button to leaf fullscreen mode Sep 18 19:38:26 you can add that butten by editing the toolbar line of the config Sep 18 19:38:26 Heinervdm: Glad to "hear" it. Thanks Sep 18 19:38:53 Heinervdm: the file in .config/midori/config ? Sep 18 19:39:00 Cristianpark: yes Sep 18 19:39:29 toolbar-items=Back,Forward,ReloadStop,Fullscreen,Location,Panel, Sep 18 19:41:22 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r56f047156212 10/ (18 files in 2 dirs): org.freesmartphone.GSM.*: Every method can raise org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.* errors Sep 18 19:44:08 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libfso-glib * r44083ca124e3 10/src/ (5 files): regenerate for spec error additions Sep 18 19:46:56 Heinervdm: Thank you again, God Bless that button.... Sep 18 19:47:23 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rc0dac1d94121 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device: errors++ Sep 18 19:57:45 BTW, now that we talk about Midori, I experienced that introduce a URL is quite hard because on every hit, it try to complete the address and if you don't let it to that, it do something weird. i.e: if you try to put the http://200.21.104.26 on URL, you have to put h ->Click elsewhere->t->click elsewhere->t .....-> click elsewhere->6 Sep 18 19:57:50 Do you understand me? Sep 18 19:58:48 yes Sep 18 19:59:15 but i think that autocompletion can be good too Sep 18 19:59:58 The bad thing on midori is that the screen is to small for preferences screen Sep 18 20:09:12 Yes, Autocompletion it's a good thing, but this time it gets annoying Sep 18 20:18:44 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r8c5a13fdba01 10/ (30 files in 4 dirs): Sep 18 20:18:44 freesmartphone.org: org.freesmartphone.GSM: API Change: Remove in org.freesmartphone.GSM., Sep 18 20:18:44 freesmartphone.org: all GSM-related errors will now live in org.freesmartphone.GSM Sep 18 20:29:35 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r2852c704ff2a 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): remove bogus error Sep 18 20:32:32 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r99dfed62e8dc 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fix overeager sed Sep 18 20:32:43 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libfso-glib * r2c1f1a206892 10/src/ (freesmartphone-gsm.vala fso-glib-1.0.vapi): regen Sep 18 20:56:34 sigh, still having problems with GSM silently stopping working, and calls just not getting through Sep 18 21:00:18 johnsu01: DocScrutinizer says it happens for him almost every time GPRS get disconnected due to external reasons. Sep 18 21:00:40 PaulFertser: it may in this case have been related to me disconnecting GPRS intentionally Sep 18 21:00:51 I think I did that before the calls didn't get through Sep 18 21:01:00 but I really want to fix the signal strength monitor Sep 18 21:01:12 so that when GSM service is not present, it acknowledges that Sep 18 21:02:29 it's not such a huge deal if I have to restart the phone, the problem is not being aware that there is a problem Sep 18 21:25:51 whats anybody think about QTMoko? Sep 18 21:30:03 slaxxer its pretty cool imho Sep 18 21:30:25 there are a few glitches, but overall its pretty neat. Sep 18 21:34:59 battery life? Sep 18 21:36:44 didnt measure it, but a bit lower then shr on v9. dunno hwo its with v10 and the new kernel now. Sep 18 21:37:18 i had like 1 and a half days, but in there i had it on for at least one how doing stuff with gprs, some phone calls, sms writing, playing games in the tram etc. Sep 18 21:37:30 so you should get going with like 2 days. Sep 18 21:44:14 ok Sep 18 21:44:35 if opkg upgrade borks i will try it Sep 18 21:44:42 :) Sep 18 22:24:17 PaulFertser: not almost. that's 101% Sep 18 22:25:05 o matter if *I* disconnect, or 24h timeout of my provifer hits, or roaning issues Sep 18 22:26:18 enjoy B52's!!! Sep 18 22:30:24 52 girls Sep 18 22:31:01 (can you name 'em today?) Sep 18 23:41:46 hi guys i'm on SHR trying to set a wallpaper Sep 18 23:42:43 i have a few png files in my home folder, and when I try to set one of them as my wallpaper i get an error Sep 18 23:42:56 can one set a png file as wallpaper? Sep 18 23:47:18 I found this: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2217126 Sep 18 23:47:38 i'll give it a try and tell you the results Sep 19 00:08:43 It works quite right.....I have wallpaper image now Sep 19 00:09:18 if someone wants to do this, the line that says: edje_cc $@ -id . -fd . cloudedsunset.edc -o CloudedSunset.edj Sep 19 00:10:55 worked for me this way: edje_cc-id . -fd . cloudedsunset.edc -o CloudedSunset.edj (with the .png image and the .edc file in the same directory). And for Arch users: the package to install is edje-svn instead of edje-utils Sep 19 00:16:04 And for making things even easier for everyone. I uploaded two of these images (Ink-3 and Ink-6) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Artwork on mediafire: http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?j2nznlwzhje Sep 19 00:16:52 To use it, just put them in: /usr/share/enlightenment/data/backgrounds Sep 19 00:24:44 why bother re-hosting them? Sep 19 00:25:01 huh Sep 19 00:25:16 19:16 < Cristianpark> And for making things even easier for everyone. I Sep 19 00:25:16 uploaded two of these images (Ink-3 and Ink-6) Sep 19 00:25:16 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Artwork on mediafire: Sep 19 00:25:16 http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?j2nznlwzhje Sep 19 00:25:21 ^that Sep 19 00:25:34 aah Sep 19 00:26:09 despite spammig my FR screen I gottit Sep 19 00:26:18 doh Sep 19 00:26:39 I retired my FR as a phone Sep 19 00:26:52 going to repurpose it for a car computer Sep 19 00:27:04 phone?? Sep 19 00:27:09 only downside is the crap wifi Sep 19 00:27:17 irc!=phone Sep 19 00:27:28 wasnt referring to your IRC usage Sep 19 00:27:33 just a general comment Sep 19 00:28:17 irc==gprs==lita on disconnect Sep 19 00:28:38 pita Sep 19 00:29:03 ndnihil: Maybe you misunderstand me, I uploaded them as .edj files to put right into your FR Sep 19 00:29:19 any idea where I can pick up some very flat mini-usb(b?) cables? Sep 19 00:29:49 Cristianpark: ah, I thought you just re-hosted the png files Sep 19 00:30:01 flat??? Sep 19 00:30:06 yes, very flat Sep 19 00:30:18 90 degree type head Sep 19 00:30:20 hat? Sep 19 00:30:33 ndnihil: I think that I was clear Sep 19 00:30:39 what? the cable? Sep 19 00:30:46 the end on the cable Sep 19 00:31:02 I want to mount it on a sliding carriage in the car (so it can retract into dash) Sep 19 00:31:09 read wiki Sep 19 00:31:12 but having a USB cable sticking out is kinda tacky Sep 19 00:31:26 wiki covers flat headed cables? Sep 19 00:31:39 perhaps it's far more thorough than I thought Sep 19 00:31:52 there's ref to 90deg iirc Sep 19 00:33:10 all the 90 degree ends ive seen stick out just as much as the straight ends do Sep 19 00:33:36 hmpf Sep 19 00:33:53 google is ur friend Sep 19 00:34:00 yeah, been there Sep 19 00:35:06 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370182634814 Sep 19 00:35:13 that style is the flattest I've found so far Sep 19 00:35:44 cutting that in half and terminating in a pigtail is what I'm after Sep 19 00:36:03 (half by height as it would stick out of the phone) Sep 19 00:36:09 wont check that iurl now, with fsckng midori ;) Sep 19 00:36:10 anyone has tried install wicd on the FR? it's good? Sep 19 00:36:19 yeah, fuck midori Sep 19 00:37:58 hrm, I guess if its going to be permanently mounted in the car, I could just remove the internal usb connector and solder the pigtail straight to the board Sep 19 00:38:46 ouuuch Sep 19 00:39:57 the schematics are @home. won't disassemble this dev now for better advice Sep 19 00:40:30 I'm more "thinking out loud" than "in the process of doing shit" right now Sep 19 00:40:52 work is sending me a CDMA blackberry (no more free unlimited data plan for the FR) Sep 19 00:41:02 so it's getting phased out of normal use Sep 19 00:41:09 and I dont want it to sit around collecting dust Sep 19 00:41:30 and figure hell, it's a small computer, with built in UPS, wifi, GPS, etc... Sep 19 00:42:07 stick it in the car, instead of using one of these micro-itx boxes Sep 19 00:42:38 much less of a footprint, less power draw Sep 19 00:42:40 ping me next week how to tweak to decent "oem" device ;) Sep 19 00:43:00 ooh Sep 19 00:43:02 yes will do Sep 19 00:43:25 oh, another thing I want to do with it, is use the accelerometers as a dyno Sep 19 00:43:30 kinda like that iphone app Sep 19 00:43:48 dyno? huh? Sep 19 00:43:54 dynamometer Sep 19 00:43:59 not a proper one mind you Sep 19 00:44:05 dunno Sep 19 00:44:15 but you take the signal from the accels, factor in weight of the car, etc... Sep 19 00:44:23 pls rephrase Sep 19 00:44:46 floor it, and use the measurements to work out how much power the car makes Sep 19 00:45:07 0-60 times, etc.. Sep 19 00:45:11 aah Sep 19 00:45:29 thats easy Sep 19 00:45:39 never done it before Sep 19 00:45:41 but it sounds like fun Sep 19 00:45:51 yo Sep 19 00:46:17 most I've done with accels is try to make a two wheeled robot keep from falling over Sep 19 00:46:48 and that failed due to a poorly implemented subsitute for a kalmann filter Sep 19 00:46:52 seen that at 25c3 Sep 19 00:47:20 I think the servos I was using on the wheels were also a bit slow for that application Sep 19 00:47:55 need grunt Sep 19 00:49:14 yeah Sep 19 00:49:21 I was just using spare parts that were laying around Sep 19 00:51:00 i guess those guys ar 25c3 used gyro as well Sep 19 00:51:12 Cristianpark, hipitihop, did you guys resolve your upgrade issues? I had the same problem Sep 19 00:51:21 I was just using one axis of a two axis accel Sep 19 00:51:42 wait 24h Sep 19 00:51:59 it'sweekend Sep 19 00:52:13 i found discussion at the end of http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko-prev.txt Sep 19 00:52:28 and was wondering whether they knew anything interesting Sep 19 00:53:36 WwTF?! /me joined at home while i'm at pub?!? Sep 19 00:54:12 oh is that why you have two nics Sep 19 00:54:19 auto-reconnecting client? Sep 19 00:55:01 /msg nickserv docscrutinizer Sep 19 00:55:15 /msg nickserv info docscrutinizer Sep 19 00:55:19 even Sep 19 00:57:22 tim_abell: actually 3 Sep 19 00:58:15 DocScrutinizer-8 still missing to reregister ;-D Sep 19 00:59:28 -8 is xchat on N810... takes 12min usually Sep 19 01:00:17 main is konversation, takes 3min Sep 19 01:01:21 DocMobilizer is GPRS and so totally independent Sep 19 01:02:33 ~botsnack Sep 19 01:02:33 thanks, DocMobilizer Sep 19 01:02:44 * ndnihil stabs apt Sep 19 01:03:44 ~tell ndnihil i'm a robot Sep 19 01:04:34 heh, 11min expired Sep 19 01:06:17 strange watching myself joining IRC... XD Sep 19 01:07:32 ndnihil: you're "invalid target" according to apt ;-D Sep 19 01:09:18 ho Sharwin_F Sep 19 01:09:25 hah Sep 19 01:09:38 s/hah/hahah/ Sep 19 01:09:39 ndnihil meant: hahah Sep 19 01:09:48 hrm, still finds me there Sep 19 01:12:12 pubs are kinda sad when everybody's swamped and last song and light lop up :-/ Sep 19 01:12:38 yeah, the light shows everyone what a sorry state they've gotten themselves into Sep 19 01:13:00 hehehe Sep 19 01:13:42 it also helps people out Sep 19 01:13:46 i dont need light for that, i feel when awaking Sep 19 01:13:48 "I'm going home with -what-???" Sep 19 01:14:18 XD Sep 19 01:14:54 i'm the geek with icehockey puck Sep 19 01:15:00 heheh Sep 19 01:15:24 rumor is, geeks are "in" Sep 19 01:15:40 tell me more Sep 19 01:15:53 saw an interview with megan fox, she digs geeks Sep 19 01:16:07 nah, tell that chick over there Sep 19 01:16:21 put her on, I'll tell her Sep 19 01:16:38 hehehehe Sep 19 01:16:49 "hey baby, want to irc on my freerunner?" Sep 19 01:16:56 ^winning pickup line Sep 19 01:17:19 tim_abell: sorry not I did not and I have not yet gone back to it. Sep 19 01:17:23 when i approach her with FR, she runs Sep 19 01:17:27 ta hipitihop Sep 19 01:18:08 tim_abell: did you want me to check something ? Sep 19 01:18:48 no WCF for FR :-/ Sep 19 01:19:04 wcf? Sep 19 01:19:32 womens compliance factor Sep 19 01:19:37 ah Sep 19 01:19:46 actually, that's not entirely true Sep 19 01:19:57 this chick at a best buy tried to pick me up Sep 19 01:20:01