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Sep 24 03:23:42 <Cristianpark> someone experience this too?
Sep 24 04:22:23 <slaxxer> looks as if the latest shr-u kernel has been removed
Sep 24 04:31:05 <slaxxer> oot@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg upgrade
Sep 24 04:31:05 <slaxxer> Multiple packages (dictator and dictator) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER.  Using latest.
Sep 24 04:31:05 <slaxxer> Multiple packages (dictator and dictator) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER.  Using latest.
Sep 24 04:31:05 <slaxxer> Multiple packages (dictator and dictator) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER.  Using latest.
Sep 24 04:31:05 <slaxxer> Multiple packages (dictator and dictator) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER.  Using latest.
Sep 24 04:31:06 <slaxxer> root@om-gta02 ~ $
Sep 24 04:31:14 <slaxxer> nothing
Sep 24 04:59:05 <jpablo> Hi there I tried from my laptopt connect to my openmoko, but said the err "ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device"
Sep 24 04:59:27 <jpablo> I tried with eth1 and usb0
Sep 24 04:59:39 <jpablo> but said the same with both
Sep 24 05:05:51 <slaxxer> mine is eth2
Sep 24 05:06:57 <slaxxer> ifconfig -a
Sep 24 05:07:02 <jpablo> I tried with "ifconfig eth2 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 up"
Sep 24 05:07:44 <slaxxer> debian?
Sep 24 05:08:29 <slaxxer> i do this with slackware    iptables
Sep 24 05:08:31 <jpablo> yes
Sep 24 05:08:46 <jpablo> the iptables is the next setting
Sep 24 05:08:53 <slaxxer> iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24
Sep 24 05:09:05 <slaxxer> sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
Sep 24 05:09:19 <slaxxer> ip link set eth2 up
Sep 24 05:09:29 <slaxxer> ip addr add 192.168.0.200/24 dev eth2
Sep 24 05:10:06 <slaxxer> then ssh in as a normal user
Sep 24 05:10:41 <jpablo> slaxxer: what is devnum? it appear when a write " dfu-util --list"
Sep 24 05:10:53 <slaxxer> might reboot the freerunner      
Sep 24 05:11:54 <slaxxer> are u flashing or trying to ssh in?
Sep 24 05:12:09 <jpablo> ssh
Sep 24 05:12:51 <jpablo> Should I write the commands when the phone is in the grub?
Sep 24 05:13:24 <slaxxer> it does not have grub
Sep 24 05:14:08 <jpablo> Ok.. I start the openmoko with Aux + Power... Then I connect the USB cable
Sep 24 05:14:08 <slaxxer> ssh commands?
Sep 24 05:14:16 <slaxxer> ok
Sep 24 05:14:18 <slaxxer>  yup
Sep 24 05:15:04 <jpablo> and after I tried write the ssh commands
Sep 24 05:15:11 <jpablo> but said the err
Sep 24 05:15:23 <slaxxer> open terminal on debian machine as root
Sep 24 05:15:26 <slaxxer> ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D /home/brian/Downloads/uImage-2.6.29-oe11+gitr119844+a3587e4ed77974adfb057af261aaeea4022018e8-r3.5-om-gta02.bin
Sep 24 05:15:38 <slaxxer> whatever file
Sep 24 05:16:13 <slaxxer> some dont use the ./
Sep 24 05:17:46 <slaxxer> some  times dfu    doesnt work on the first attempt       but always works on the second
Sep 24 05:19:00 <jpablo> No DFU capable USB device found
Sep 24 05:19:44 <jpablo> should first I flashing the openmoko, right?
Sep 24 05:21:56 <ndnihil> cant flash it if you cant find it
Sep 24 05:22:13 <ndnihil> running as root?
Sep 24 05:22:17 <jpablo> yes
Sep 24 05:22:32 <ndnihil> try unplugging and re-plugging the phone
Sep 24 05:23:43 <slaxxer> try it two - three times
Sep 24 05:23:48 <slaxxer>   as i said
Sep 24 05:24:53 <jpablo> slaxxer: But I should download the same image
Sep 24 05:27:01 <jpablo> When I write dfu-util --list said the "Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=8, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name="USB Device Firmware Upgrade""
Sep 24 05:27:39 <jpablo> is it important?
Sep 24 05:30:16 <jpablo> I'm downloading the Image of SHR-unstable
Sep 24 05:32:10 <jpablo> Excuse me for the "silly questions" but I want use my phone :)
Sep 24 06:02:42 * ndnihil can't get this song out of his head
Sep 24 06:10:20 <CVirus> ndnihil: what song ?
Sep 24 06:10:55 <ndnihil> two in the pink, one in the stink
Sep 24 06:11:10 <ndnihil> by some scottish garage/punk type band
Sep 24 06:11:51 <ndnihil> http://www.vidmax.com/video/59870/Quite_possibly_the_greatest_music_video_of_never__2_in_the_pink__1_in_the_stink_/
Sep 24 06:13:20 <CVirus> scottish :S ?
Sep 24 06:14:27 <CVirus> fuck this shit is funny :D
Sep 24 06:14:28 <CVirus> hahahaha
Sep 24 08:39:10 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: there's even a photofootage: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/sdcard-handle/
Sep 24 08:54:39 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: i know :)
Sep 24 08:57:56 <DocScrutinizer-8> PaulFertser: yeah, the guy wasn't exactly interested in what he actually asked
Sep 24 08:59:24 <DocScrutinizer-8> but wtf, I thought I made all references to knifes and screwdrivers for sd-removal disappear from all wiki docs
Sep 24 09:00:00 <DocScrutinizer-8> for A7 this can be fatal
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Sep 24 09:17:22 <Fox_Muldr> hi
Sep 24 09:24:09 <DocScrutinizer-8> ~ping
Sep 24 09:24:10 <apt> ~pong
Sep 24 12:09:03 <panicking> larsc, 
Sep 24 12:09:12 <panicking> I'm near to fix mmc
Sep 24 12:10:14 <larsc> good
Sep 24 12:15:24 <panicking> larsc, I would like to ask somenthig
Sep 24 12:15:31 <panicking> that I don't understand
Sep 24 12:15:34 <panicking> in the mmc code
Sep 24 12:16:16 <larsc> sure
Sep 24 12:16:41 <panicking> Ok now it work
Sep 24 12:16:42 <panicking> I change
Sep 24 12:16:45 <panicking> the pio_read
Sep 24 12:16:48 <panicking> and pio_write
Sep 24 12:16:55 <panicking> but having a problem
Sep 24 12:17:14 <panicking> I have a problem related to the clock
Sep 24 12:17:26 <panicking> In the old driver
Sep 24 12:17:31 <panicking> It uses an slow clock
Sep 24 12:17:43 <panicking> when it power up until the first transaction
Sep 24 12:19:37 <panicking>         if (host->force_slow_during_powerup)
Sep 24 12:19:43 <panicking> the slow duting power up
Sep 24 12:21:49 <panicking> Do you know the meaning?
Sep 24 12:24:10 <FredWP> Alright.
Sep 24 12:24:16 <FredWP> I'm finally going to work on my Neo FreeRunner.
Sep 24 12:24:25 <FredWP> It's been laying here for a month with a broken Om 2008.
Sep 24 12:24:31 <FredWP> I'm reading most of the wiki right now.
Sep 24 12:24:36 <FredWP> I'll probably go for Qi + SHR.
Sep 24 12:25:14 <FredWP> The wiki contains many spelling errors though ("developped", etc...) and it isn't really a wiki if you can't modify it to fix it. :(
Sep 24 12:27:22 <PaulFertser> panicking: exactly that meaning, if it should start with slow clock or not.
Sep 24 12:27:39 <PaulFertser> FredWP: what can't you modify?
Sep 24 12:28:14 <FredWP> I was reading articles.
Sep 24 12:28:20 <FredWP> Do you need to login or have special access?
Sep 24 12:28:27 <FredWP> It said I needed to login, and belong to a group.
Sep 24 12:28:33 <FredWP> So I didn't further bother.
Sep 24 12:35:32 <PaulFertser> FredWP: which page are you talking about? And yes, you need to log in. Just register yourself.
Sep 24 12:36:28 <FredWP> Several, I didn't remember them PaulFertser.
Sep 24 12:47:29 <jlmoko> ddmesg
Sep 24 12:47:49 <Cristianpark> Hi guys, I'm sorry if I'm being annoying but this problem keep bothering me
Sep 24 12:48:04 <Cristianpark> http://tinypaste.com/a7a29. It occurs when I try to upgrade SHR-U (Time Stamp: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 16:34:21 +0200 and Kernel: 2.6.29-rc3)
Sep 24 12:53:15 <FredWP> opkg.org looks great.
Sep 24 12:53:24 <FredWP> I can't wait to have my Neo FreeRunner fully setup to show off with!
Sep 24 13:03:09 <CIA-44> openmoko: 03werner * r5661 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ecn0002.txt: 
Sep 24 13:03:09 <CIA-44> openmoko: - removed "chips to remove" entry, because we have this covered now.
Sep 24 13:03:09 <CIA-44> openmoko: - added note that R2504 remains.
Sep 24 13:10:25 <CIA-44> openmoko: 03werner * r5662 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ecn0017.txt: - added description of why we should and why we can move BT
Sep 24 13:22:25 <vegyraupe> hi all
Sep 24 13:23:49 <Cristianpark> Hi vegyraupe
Sep 24 13:40:35 <CIA-44> openmoko: 03werner * r5663 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ (STATUS ecn0040.txt): - added ECN0040 (for discussion) "Remove backup battery (BAT1701)"
Sep 24 14:02:46 <panicking> larsc, 
Sep 24 14:02:49 <panicking> ok I have somenthig
Sep 24 14:02:52 <Fox_Muldr> panicking: most mmc/sd cards need a maximum clk of 100khz-400khz to initialize. after init you can go up to the maximum speed supported by that card.
Sep 24 14:02:53 <CIA-44> openmoko: 03werner * r5664 10/trunk/gta02-core/modules/mkloe: - mkloe: exit on fped error (forgotten commit)
Sep 24 14:03:25 <panicking> larsc, is there a tree
Sep 24 14:03:30 <panicking> to post a patch?
Sep 24 14:09:01 <larsc> panicking: post to the openmoko kernel mailinglist
Sep 24 14:09:31 <panicking> glamo-2.6.31
Sep 24 14:09:34 <panicking> this tree
Sep 24 14:09:35 <panicking> ?
Sep 24 14:10:18 <Defiant-> ...when using spi to access the SD card
Sep 24 14:10:22 <larsc> panicking: there is nothing in it yet
Sep 24 14:12:46 <Fox_Muldr> Defiant-: for multimediacard mode not?
Sep 24 14:21:08 <Defiant-> Fox_Muldr: not sure about 1-bit, but afaik 4-bit not.
Sep 24 14:21:33 <Defiant-> however, better check spec, its quite some month ago I played with this stuff
Sep 24 14:23:01 <Fox_Muldr> i'm playing with sd card access in spi mode right now so i said this. but i do not intend to use mmc mode :)
Sep 24 14:23:30 <Fox_Muldr> so maybe i was wrong with my statement for mmc mode.
Sep 24 14:24:17 <Cristianpark> guys, dialer is not working for me on SHR-U today, It let me dial the number but when I press Call button it closes
Sep 24 14:24:31 <Defiant-> Fox_Muldr: jup, spi is the more open one :)
Sep 24 14:24:34 <cbrake> opkg upgrade error: http://pastebin.ca/1577907
Sep 24 14:24:46 <cbrake> just started using my FR again, so not sure what is supposed to work
Sep 24 14:26:36 <cbrake> dialer currently does not work, worked earlier
Sep 24 14:27:28 <cbrake> contacts is seg faulting: http://pastebin.ca/1577911
Sep 24 14:27:44 * cbrake is really starting to appreciate how much work it is to put together phone sw ...
Sep 24 14:27:47 <Cristianpark> cbrake: we're pretty the same
Sep 24 14:40:45 <panicking> larsc, I can produce a diff or patch agaist a tree. Can you suggest a good tree in the openmoko?
Sep 24 14:47:38 <larsc> panicking: there is only andy-tracking
Sep 24 15:03:48 <slaxxer> are there any GTA02-core boards made yet?
Sep 24 15:49:23 <FredWP> Should I take Qi from andy's FTP or from the testing FTP?
Sep 24 15:49:41 <FredWP> The testing FTP contains a lot of files, and the instructions on the Qi article use the file from andy's FTP.
Sep 24 15:50:54 <FredWP> Anyone?
Sep 24 15:56:52 <SeligArkin> Hello, I was wondering if there was anything I could read to understand how communication with the gsm modem works, mostly to sastify my curiosity, is there any documentstion I can download, as I am going on a trip in a couple of days and will be mostly without internets.
Sep 24 15:58:42 <panicking> Open the serial device
Sep 24 15:58:50 <panicking> 115200 8n1
Sep 24 15:58:56 <panicking> and use write and read
Sep 24 15:59:04 <panicking> on the file descriptor
Sep 24 16:00:14 <SeligArkin> I ment on the protocol level, eg the FSO docs mention various commands like this: This maps to the GSM 07.07 command +CPIN=?, see 3GPP TS 07.07 Chapter 8.3. 
Sep 24 16:02:04 <ndnihil> grab the datasheet for the modem
Sep 24 16:02:12 <ndnihil> it should be described there
Sep 24 16:08:27 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: there's no publically accessible datasheet for calypso
Sep 24 16:09:07 <PaulFertser> SeligArkin: you can download AT command set reference for enfora modules, they're somewhat similar.
Sep 24 16:09:19 <ndnihil> weak
Sep 24 16:09:30 <PaulFertser> SeligArkin: also read the wiki, there's a list of non-standard calypso commands there.
Sep 24 16:10:15 <ndnihil> do you know the part number off the top of your head?
Sep 24 16:11:01 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: of enfora? there's no need, go to there web site and download any at commands reference.
Sep 24 16:11:11 <ndnihil> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-March/002053.html
Sep 24 16:11:13 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: they're not fully the same as calypso anyway
Sep 24 16:11:24 <ndnihil> looks like they're pretty publically accessible, even if not "legitimate"
Sep 24 16:11:29 <ndnihil> :)
Sep 24 16:13:14 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: have you seen at command reference in there?
Sep 24 16:13:19 <ndnihil> nope
Sep 24 16:13:26 <ndnihil> just spent < 10s with google
Sep 24 16:13:56 <ndnihil> my telit module has the AT commands listed in the datasheet
Sep 24 16:14:14 <ndnihil> it'd be kinda silly not to have them in there
Sep 24 16:16:09 <SpeedEvil> The calypso is not an end-user chipset
Sep 24 16:16:29 <SpeedEvil> You can't buy it in small quantites - hence there are no end-user docs
Sep 24 16:16:56 <PBeck> hi
Sep 24 16:18:45 <FredWP> samgee!
Sep 24 16:18:54 <FredWP> I'm finally taking the time to setup my Neo FreeRunner. ;p
Sep 24 16:18:57 <FredWP> I just installed Qi.
Sep 24 16:19:08 <FredWP> Now I need to update to latest Om (11) and then SHR. :3
Sep 24 16:19:23 <samgee> sweet
Sep 24 16:46:19 <kozapatista> REGISTER kozapatista
Sep 24 16:46:27 <kozapatista> oops :s
Sep 24 17:33:28 <FredWP> I have a few questions regarding updating/upgrading.
Sep 24 17:34:07 <FredWP> If a new Qi/GSM firmware is released, does it get announced through the mailing list, and does SHR always update itself to latest version if has connection (through GPRS or so).
Sep 24 17:35:10 <Chocky> would typically appear on the community newslettter
Sep 24 17:35:36 <Chocky> SHR isn't going to automatically do any kind of update
Sep 24 17:42:29 <panicking> larsc, I'm going to test gta02-gsm pm bt
Sep 24 17:42:36 <panicking> but I don't find the attribute
Sep 24 17:42:43 <panicking> where are they?
Sep 24 17:43:37 <FredWP> Community news letter is put on the announcement mailing list?
Sep 24 17:43:42 <FredWP> Chocky?
Sep 24 17:43:59 <Chocky> I think so.  but it's always on the wiki.
Sep 24 17:44:58 <FredWP> Ok. :)
Sep 24 17:47:32 <larsc> panicking: /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta02-{gsm,bt}-pm.0/
Sep 24 17:48:35 <panicking> sorry
Sep 24 17:48:51 <panicking> Ok
Sep 24 17:49:45 <larsc> uhm...  /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta02-{gsm,bt}-pm.0/
Sep 24 17:49:58 <larsc> uhm...  /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta02-pm-{gsm,bt}.0/ i mean
Sep 24 17:50:19 <panicking> Can we discuss with the code
Sep 24 17:50:23 <panicking> do you have an email
Sep 24 17:50:31 <panicking> I want to send the glamo-mci.c
Sep 24 17:50:32 <panicking> file
Sep 24 17:50:50 <panicking> One thing is miss I don't get the irq from the resource
Sep 24 17:51:00 <panicking> and I think that I don't properly reset the clock
Sep 24 17:51:03 <panicking> after slowdown
Sep 24 17:51:08 <panicking> for the first transaction
Sep 24 17:51:24 <panicking> So we can discuss with the code
Sep 24 17:52:25 <panicking> well I will send on the mailing list
Sep 24 17:55:08 <larsc> ok
Sep 24 20:00:48 <FredWP> I just put SHR on my NF.
Sep 24 20:00:54 <FredWP> I uploaded the two files with the commands.
Sep 24 20:00:59 <FredWP> Then I booted.
Sep 24 20:01:10 <FredWP> At the boot screen it stops and gives an error, fat: invalid media value
Sep 24 20:01:11 <FredWP> :(
Sep 24 20:06:00 <FredWP> I removed battery after 10 minutes of that.
Sep 24 20:06:07 <FredWP> Booting now does get me to setup.
Sep 24 20:06:09 <FredWP> Is that normal?
Sep 24 20:12:37 <FredWP> Apparently I shouldn't have done that, first boot takes a while apparently.
Sep 24 20:12:44 <FredWP> Time for quick reinstall.
Sep 24 20:22:07 <DocScrutinizer-8> FredWP: sounds like you tried to boot from fat uSD. Standard boot from NAND shouldn't complain about FAT errors
Sep 24 20:22:48 <DocScrutinizer-8> also won't fix itself on second boot
Sep 24 20:23:01 <FredWP> DocScrutinizer, I wrote it to flash.
Sep 24 20:23:21 <FredWP> I have an just formatted ext2 uSD inserted though (empty).
Sep 24 20:23:34 <FredWP> And when removing battery to reboot, it did go to setup screen.
Sep 24 20:23:43 <Sargun> What do we get if we figure out the challenge?
Sep 24 20:23:48 <FredWP> But I didn't want to take any risks seeing wiki says first boot might take long.
Sep 24 20:24:16 <FredWP> I waited about 10 minutes though.
Sep 24 20:29:44 <FredWP> DocScrutinizer, are you still there?
Sep 24 20:31:35 <DocScrutinizer-8> yep
Sep 24 20:32:14 <FredWP> Is that normal?
Sep 24 20:32:18 <FredWP> I'm reinstallig SHR now.
Sep 24 20:32:23 <FredWP> The big package is being downloaded.
Sep 24 20:32:25 <DocScrutinizer-8> and I simply assume you selected "boot from SD card (ext/fat)" from bootmenu on first boot which failed
Sep 24 20:32:28 <FredWP> Afterwards the kernel.
Sep 24 20:32:38 <FredWP> No I didn't. :(
Sep 24 20:32:46 <FredWP> What I did was, I removed the battery to shutdown.
Sep 24 20:32:55 <FredWP> Reinsterted battery, and just allowed it to boot through Qi.
Sep 24 20:33:10 <FredWP> I'm using the latest files.
Sep 24 20:33:14 <FredWP> The kernel from 1 September.
Sep 24 20:33:21 <FredWP> Maybe it's due to that?
Sep 24 20:33:23 <DocScrutinizer-8> duh, Qi. :-/ no idea about qi here
Sep 24 20:33:32 <FredWP> Isn't Qi better?
Sep 24 20:34:10 <FredWP> The wiki says U-Boot is deprecated, and Qi will be the main one in the future.
Sep 24 20:34:12 <DocScrutinizer-8> not for me. Others claim it's better, but I never heard a good point prooving that
Sep 24 20:34:28 <FredWP> Well when Om 2008 was still installer hours ago.
Sep 24 20:34:33 <FredWP> It did boot a lot faster than with U-Boot.
Sep 24 20:34:40 <DocScrutinizer-8> FSCK, which troll wrote that crap to wiki?!
Sep 24 20:34:56 <FredWP> o.o
Sep 24 20:35:37 <DocScrutinizer-8> well, uBoot takes some 4 sec to load kernel. So how much faster can Qi get on that?
Sep 24 20:37:43 <DocScrutinizer-8> if boot with qi is "much" faster, then that's either a placebo, or due to qi using another default loglevel. You can always set loglevel of uboot to 4 as well
Sep 24 20:38:00 <FredWP> I guess.
Sep 24 20:38:05 <FredWP> But the wiki was full of it.
Sep 24 20:38:12 <FredWP> Also saying U-Boot would eventually be replaced by Qi.
Sep 24 20:38:15 <FredWP> Thus reason more to get it.
Sep 24 20:40:00 <DocScrutinizer-8> FredWP: (replace) will never happen, as Qi was developed for gta03, and gta03 will never come true
Sep 24 20:40:49 <max_posedon> I have 3 devices at home which use uboot, and only one can use Qi
Sep 24 20:40:52 <DocScrutinizer-8> and for sure nobody will replace uBoot by qi some day for gta02
Sep 24 20:41:33 <max_posedon> I'll never understand people who think that qi is successor, just because it will never work in many others devices.
Sep 24 20:42:57 <FredWP> Because the wiki is full of it.
Sep 24 20:43:37 <FredWP> If it wasn't for the wiki publishing all sorts of tests, saying that's better and saying Qi will replace U-Boot I would have probably not done it.
Sep 24 21:51:52 <[Rui]> hi
Sep 24 21:52:16 <[Rui]> anyone pressing the power button for resume only to find out it doesn't come back?
Sep 24 21:53:09 <[Rui]> I just upgraded this evening but I didn't notice any kernel upgrades, so I don't think it will be gone
Sep 24 21:53:17 <[Rui]> erms... this with shr-u
Sep 24 23:17:16 <slaxxer> so Qi is out an U-Boot is in?
Sep 24 23:17:29 <slaxxer> wassup Doc?
Sep 25 01:21:50 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07cornucopia * r4e671d9a3a2a 10/fsousaged/src/plugins/controller/resource.vala: Fix rapid emmiting of ResoueceChange. Thanks to agg1n1
Sep 25 01:21:50 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07cornucopia * r1f16749c17db 10/fsousaged/src/plugins/controller/Makefile.am: Change file order to avoid segfault, Thanks to agg1n
Sep 25 02:50:29 <noone> hy I have a proble
Sep 25 02:50:49 <noone> installed debian on the moko without the script
Sep 25 02:51:00 <noone> and usbnet seems to not work
Sep 25 02:51:04 <noone> oh hallo everyone
Sep 25 02:52:04 <noone> I added usnet and usb_ether in the /et/modules
Sep 25 02:52:21 <noone> I configured the interface but usb0 no such interface
Sep 25 02:52:25 <noone> I am lost
Sep 25 02:53:01 <noone> and can't talk to the installed debian during running
Sep 25 02:53:06 <noone> so I can't analyze
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