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Sep 26 05:29:07 <slaxxer> openmoko smp line
Sep 26 05:38:02 <slaxxer>     boardage
Sep 26 06:06:10 <brolin> Is there any way to "apt-get install openoffice.org" on QtMoko installed on my FR's onboard NAND instead of on a uSD card?
Sep 26 06:12:26 <Psi> strange bug (shr-unstable) got a message and the message mp3 got stuck in a loop playing continuiously
Sep 26 06:26:24 <PaulFertser> brolin: i'd suggest you try one of the lighter alternatives to oo.o. To view text "documents" abiword is much easier to use on FR. And if you need microsoft word support you can also try wv library to convert doc to text. 
Sep 26 06:39:11 <PaulFertser> brolin: to answer your question i can say it's not generally possible unless you want to run it in chroot or to make some creative symlink or to just manually unpack it wherever you want.
Sep 26 06:40:15 <dns53> abiword works fine
Sep 26 06:44:56 <PaulFertser> dns53: it all depends on the purpose. If you want to create good documents, you can just use vim and latex. And if you need to view some shit-letter in ms word format, wv usually does the job ok.
Sep 26 06:46:45 <dns53> it's in the installed but i probably have no use for it category
Sep 26 07:07:36 <brolin> PaulFertser: I wanted to use OOo Base on my FR.
Sep 26 07:09:16 <PaulFertser> brolin: FR is quite a constrained device. Using OOo even on all my desktops and laptop is painful.
Sep 26 07:09:49 <PaulFertser> brolin: moreover i'm yet to see a decent usecase for using OOo in general, except for when you're forced to view/edit mso documents.
Sep 26 07:12:53 <brolin> PaulFertser: I use OOo Base for my contacts.odb evolution of my electronic address book.
Sep 26 07:13:03 <dns53> brolin what are you doing that you need ooo base?
Sep 26 07:40:46 <Psi> does anyone feel that the gta01/02 could be better if it supported higher screen resolutions than the native 480x640 and just scaled them down to fit
Sep 26 07:41:08 <Psi> ie, 600x800 and 768x1024
Sep 26 07:42:30 <Psi> would be useful for webpages
Sep 26 07:50:36 <[Rui]> Psi: a faster cpu would be more useful for webpages
Sep 26 07:50:57 <Psi> i dunno, i find the fact nothing fits more annoying than the speed
Sep 26 07:56:30 <doc|home> Psi: it's possible, would require resampling of the rendering of the page which requires CPU. That's what the iphone does for example
Sep 26 08:08:52 <PaulFertser> Psi: i guess it would be better to fix webpages... :-/
Sep 26 08:24:47 <Heinervdm> Psi: webkit supports zooming the whole page including images
Sep 26 08:26:37 <Psi> ah, is that why midori kept zooming in/out on different pages
Sep 26 08:27:01 <Psi> was quite annoying
Sep 26 08:27:16 <Heinervdm> don't know, didn't try zoom in Midori
Sep 26 08:27:27 <Psi> neither did it
Sep 26 08:27:32 <Psi> it just did it on some pages
Sep 26 08:27:46 <Psi> it=I
Sep 26 12:32:38 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r5930ed552ea2 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (docs/TODO pimd_generic.py): opimd: GenericDomain: fix unicode problems in make_comp_value
Sep 26 12:49:42 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03g.anciaux 07dos/opimd-tracking * rbb2d4bdb07cf 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_vcard_contacts.py: 
Sep 26 12:49:42 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: opimd: add VCard-Contacts backend
Sep 26 12:49:42 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Sebastian Krzyszkowiak <seba.dos1@gmail.com>
Sep 26 13:13:28 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r97c3f14235d9 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_vcard_contacts.py: opimd: VCard-Contacts: few fixes (EMail=>E-mail, use the same file for reading and storing)
Sep 26 13:13:29 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * rd14b3ba9ac78 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_vcard_contacts.py: opimd: VCard-Contacts: write in log about missing python-vobject if importing fails
Sep 26 13:47:39 * hostiaGTA salute to all
Sep 26 13:48:33 <hostiaGTA> !piropo aevin
Sep 26 14:20:27 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r31f32b3b7fd6 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_vcard_contacts.py: opimd: VCard-Contacts: fix local variable 'value' reference before assignment
Sep 26 14:33:36 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r554977478826 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_vcard_contacts.py: opimd: VCard-Contacts: fix logger levels
Sep 26 14:33:37 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r62dd3bda7eea 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_vcard_contacts.py: Merge commit 'origin/dos/opimd-tracking' into dos/opimd-tracking
Sep 26 14:58:01 <Elleo> someone could really do with setting +t
Sep 26 14:58:05 <ndnihil> hrm
Sep 26 15:01:57 <Elleo> mickey_away / joerg_42: any chance you could set +t since you seem to be on the channel access list?
Sep 26 15:03:48 <joerg_42> Elleo: not intended. That troll will vanish in a moment
Sep 26 15:05:34 <Elleo> okay
Sep 26 15:27:30 <Schorhr> Hi, can anyone help a newbie with a push in the right direction? I'dd like to install sane on my openmoko Freerunner (using shr)
Sep 26 15:31:50 <DocScrutinizer> Schorhr: download the correct files like mentioned in channel-topic, and use dfu-util to flash them to your device. That's all
Sep 26 15:33:04 <DocScrutinizer> Schorhr: or do you want to install scanner-access-now-easy?? o.O
Sep 26 15:34:57 <DocScrutinizer> Schorhr: that wouldn't exactly be a newbie task ;-)
Sep 26 15:35:06 <Schorhr> DocScrutinizer: Correct :-) I just recieved a "TravelScan 464" 
Sep 26 15:35:25 <Schorhr> Indeed. But all I really need is sane, not even any gui.
Sep 26 15:35:49 <Schorhr> Random Pic: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/21/34504368_c6b526a2cc.jpg?v=0
Sep 26 15:36:02 <DocScrutinizer> Schorhr: still you need to compile it for the destination-platform (ARM
Sep 26 15:36:03 <DocScrutinizer> )
Sep 26 15:36:32 <Schorhr> I was afraid I'dd get an answer like that after I was unable to find it on opkg
Sep 26 15:36:54 <DocScrutinizer> Schorhr: I recommend you /join #openmoko-cdevel and ask e.g. mrmoku about that
Sep 26 15:37:26 <Schorhr> Thank you for the quick help. I'll do that
Sep 26 15:37:34 <DocScrutinizer> welcme :)
Sep 26 16:00:22 <Schorhr> In about a week I'll recieve my Freerunner case extension (printed at shapeways) :-) I hope it will fit and does not break
Sep 26 16:12:39 <DocScrutinizer> wooow
Sep 26 16:12:57 <DocScrutinizer> Schorhr: don't miss to post fotofootage
Sep 26 16:29:42 <Schorhr> DocScrutinizer: I will :-) Though you can see photos of it allready at http://openmokast.org/pictures.html
Sep 26 16:30:05 <Schorhr> Though I printed it in another material that seems to be more rigid (and cheaper!)
Sep 26 16:30:45 <Schorhr> If all goes well I'll modify the case to make it thinner+cheaper, though $16 for the case is not too bad, and it will enable me to increase the batery runtime
Sep 26 16:31:39 <SpeedEvil> USB DAB?
Sep 26 16:31:52 <SpeedEvil> Oh - not UK
Sep 26 16:32:38 <SpeedEvil> I want a USB DAB - digital audio broadcasting - but nobody makes htem.
Sep 26 16:32:51 <SpeedEvil> There was one - that melted a lot - by psion - and none since
Sep 26 16:35:20 <SpeedEvil> http://www.b3tards.com/u/347704ecc2d8903e64fc/tubagirl.gif - completely irrelevant - and worksafe.
Sep 26 16:36:13 <DocScrutinizer> Schorhr: wow!! Awesome
Sep 26 16:37:09 <Schorhr> SpeedEvil: I do not know much about DAB, just saw the case (and the cad file) :-)
Sep 26 16:37:41 <Schorhr> Just the scanner remains a unsolved problem. Too bad.
Sep 26 16:38:20 <DocScrutinizer> Schorhr: give mrmoku a little more time
Sep 26 16:42:38 <Schorhr> Oh, so mrmoku is still at the task? I interpreted that "needs a closer look" means "can't do it" :-)
Sep 26 16:43:07 <Schorhr> (Sorry for replying so slow, cooking supper at the moment :-) )
Sep 26 16:48:17 <DocScrutinizer-8> Schorhr: I'm not sure about what he plans wrt sane and libgphoto
Sep 26 16:50:16 <Schorhr> Well, I'm clueless :-) I just hope it is possible, it would be great if I could scan on the go witout my old weak battery-laptop
Sep 26 18:31:01 <cz_jc> hello ^^
Sep 26 18:31:13 <cz_jc> is it possible to hide the dictionary/layout top bar from illume keyboard ?
Sep 26 18:37:13 <PaulFertser> cz_jc: with tweak of the theme, yes
Sep 26 18:37:27 <PaulFertser> cz_jc: use edje_decc to decompile it
Sep 26 18:37:48 <cz_jc> PaulFertser, you know how? could you add it to wiki? pretty please :)
Sep 26 18:38:55 <PaulFertser> cz_jc: i know the theory. Have never tried. Should be fairly simple (to remove the topbar altogether).
Sep 26 18:38:59 <DocScrutinizer-8> PaulFertser: cz_jc: dos1 and me have been there and got lost in edj chaos
Sep 26 18:39:54 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer-8, thats not too hard to imagine :P
Sep 26 18:40:01 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer-8: wanna me to lost there too? ;)
Sep 26 18:40:07 <DocScrutinizer-8> raster told same as you, but never gave additional help
Sep 26 18:40:07 <PaulFertser> s/lost/get lost/
Sep 26 18:40:07 <apt> PaulFertser meant: DocScrutinizer-8: wanna me to get lost there too? ;)
Sep 26 18:40:27 <brolin> SpeedEvil: I read that filename as "tub a girl", like tubgirl, instead of "tuba girl". :o
Sep 26 18:40:30 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer-8: ok, let me try
Sep 26 18:42:16 <cz_jc> haha as raster says in some ml post: 'change it yourself! its just text'
Sep 26 18:42:22 * cz_jc sees no documentation
Sep 26 18:43:45 <dos1> cz_jc: of course there is documentation
Sep 26 18:44:18 <cz_jc> dos1, where ?
Sep 26 18:44:37 <PaulFertser> cz_jc: google edje, there're some docs.
Sep 26 18:44:52 <PaulFertser> I'm currently waiting for decompile to complete.
Sep 26 18:44:57 <cz_jc> PaulFertser, I didn't mean edje, I meant illume keyboard in it entirety
Sep 26 18:45:03 <DocScrutinizer-8> I got until ~line1500 where I found kbd-related stuff. But didn't get it what is headbar etc
Sep 26 18:45:20 <dos1> cz_jc: illume keyboard theme is plain edje, nothing more
Sep 26 18:45:23 <PaulFertser> cz_jc: there's cool description of the illume keyboard principles of operation on OM wiki.
Sep 26 18:45:34 <cz_jc> I can (de)compile edje files on my phone too.. if you find out what to change, please tell me :)
Sep 26 18:46:55 <PaulFertser> That's what i do atm -- decompiling on phone.
Sep 26 18:47:01 <DocScrutinizer-8> btw I was happy with as little as making hight of this bar smaller
Sep 26 18:47:04 <cz_jc> PaulFertser, aah.. you're right.. link to that should be on E homepage :)
Sep 26 18:47:37 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer-8, if you knew how to make it even 1px small it'd be great :)
Sep 26 18:48:36 <DocScrutinizer-8> yeah, *if* I knew where hight is encoded in that fsckng edje then probably any value is no problem
Sep 26 18:51:42 <DocScrutinizer-8> admittedly I had no docs back when. But even dos1 gave up on it, so I'm not eager to start a 2nd effort
Sep 26 18:52:13 <PaulFertser> I bet dos1 didn't give up, he rather postponed it due to more pressing issues or just being lazy ;)
Sep 26 18:52:16 <dos1> DocScrutinizer-8: that's not issue about not having docs
Sep 26 18:52:31 <dos1> just default theme is mess
Sep 26 18:52:45 <dos1> and there is no other illume theme which is not based on default
Sep 26 18:52:58 <DocScrutinizer-8> a MESS, even raster thinks it is
Sep 26 18:53:10 <AntonTakk2> hrm
Sep 26 18:53:29 <AntonTakk2> about how many lines long is the illume theme?
Sep 26 18:53:44 <DocScrutinizer-8> 4k?
Sep 26 18:53:56 <dos1> few k, yup
Sep 26 18:53:57 <AntonTakk2> oh, that's not bad at all
Sep 26 18:54:09 <cz_jc> btw. since its an edje file, I won't be able to use the keyboard outside e ?
Sep 26 18:54:25 <AntonTakk2> i started a custom e17 theme once, i hit like 8k lines and was nowhere near done
Sep 26 18:54:47 <dos1> AntonTakk2: but that's only illume theme, which inherits from default
Sep 26 18:54:58 <AntonTakk2> true
Sep 26 18:55:14 <dos1> so complete theme would have much more lines
Sep 26 18:55:29 <AntonTakk2> still, the 4k lines of illume theme would be nothing co clean up (comparitively)
Sep 26 18:55:37 <AntonTakk2> to*
Sep 26 18:56:51 <DocScrutinizer-8> raster said it would need breakup into separate files iirc
Sep 26 18:59:50 <AntonTakk2> the question is, exactly how much of the default e theme does illume make use of?
Sep 26 19:00:28 <AntonTakk2> of corse, that's the first part of cleaning up anything, split it up by function/etc
Sep 26 19:00:38 <AntonTakk2> well, any code  :)
Sep 26 19:13:02 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer-8: i must admit it's tough
Sep 26 19:13:16 <DocScrutinizer-8> yoh
Sep 26 19:13:21 <DocScrutinizer-8> :D
Sep 26 19:30:27 <wekt> I just noticed frameworkd with a UDP port open on the NTP port 123.  Is that .... intended? It seems strange.
Sep 26 19:33:15 <PaulFertser> wekt: it listens for NTP replies there
Sep 26 19:33:22 <PaulFertser> I guess ;)
Sep 26 19:39:05 <DocScrutinizer-8> otimed?
Sep 26 20:12:36 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer-8: i give up for today
Sep 26 20:13:06 <DocScrutinizer-8> PaulFertser: granted ;-D
Sep 26 20:13:25 <DocScrutinizer-8> PaulFertser: really a mess, isn't it?
Sep 26 20:13:59 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer-8: i'm not sure. Probably if i remembered edc syntax (esp. rel and offset) i'd have a chance to understand it.
Sep 26 20:14:36 <DocScrutinizer-8> hmm, not according to dos1
Sep 26 20:15:53 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer-8: he even named the file "kdb.edc" instead of kbd.edc. I'd not trust him talking about messes ;)
Sep 26 20:16:40 <DocScrutinizer-8> )9)
Sep 26 20:16:44 <DocScrutinizer-8> lol
Sep 26 20:18:11 <DocScrutinizer-8> cya
Sep 26 20:22:47 <pierre__> hi
Sep 26 20:22:56 <PierreN> hi
Sep 26 20:23:57 <PierreN> i'm trying to upgrade my openmoko but : ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for fsousaged: libfso-glib0 (>= 0.2.1+gitr47+7608c8d98bb65bb5beca6621eb86920b71df1bc9)  ... and GSM is not working :( any idea how to solve this please ?
Sep 26 20:28:28 <PierreN> ok :)
Sep 26 20:28:40 <PierreN> and for the GSM not working ? :)
Sep 26 20:29:01 <DocScrutinizer> no idea
Sep 26 20:29:17 <DocScrutinizer> do not upgrade ;-)
Sep 26 20:30:48 <PierreN> huh ok and how to know which upgraded packages are blocking the gsm/how to downgrade them please ?
Sep 26 20:43:11 <DocScrutinizer> PierreN: there's been a netsplit. Dunno if you got all that...
Sep 26 20:43:19 <DocScrutinizer> PierreN: a good question. /join #openmoko-cdevel and pester mrmoku / dos1 and the other SHR devels about it ;-)
Sep 26 20:43:29 <DocScrutinizer> [2009-09-26 21:56:20] <GarthPS> @mrmoku : And more generaly were can we know what shr are doing  or what did they do? because at each time I upgrade I realy don't know if it is the good moment.
Sep 26 20:43:30 <DocScrutinizer> [2009-09-26 21:56:43] <mrmoku> GarthPS: that is a good question :P
Sep 26 20:43:32 <DocScrutinizer> PierreN: there's been a netsplit. Dunno if you got all that...
Sep 26 20:43:41 <DocScrutinizer> [2009-09-26 22:42:27] <DocScrutinizer> ~logs
Sep 26 20:43:43 <DocScrutinizer> [2009-09-26 22:42:28] <bzzbot> i guess logs is at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko-cdevel.txt
Sep 26 20:45:59 <PierreN> ok so... i just have to wait. I just wanted to know if a lot of people who have upgraded theyr openmoko couldn't use the GSM ?
Sep 26 20:46:21 <DocScrutinizer> atm seems a common problem.
Sep 26 20:46:57 <DocScrutinizer> restarting ophonekitd after boot seems to work around it (sometimes?)
Sep 26 20:49:11 <PierreN> hum ok i'm going to reboot and try that
Sep 26 20:50:21 <DocScrutinizer> maybe just start ophonekitd. No need to reboot?
Sep 26 20:51:29 <DocScrutinizer> bye
Sep 26 20:53:50 <PierreN> no i need to reboot
Sep 26 20:58:37 <PierreN> yep working after a reboot weird
Sep 26 21:03:19 <DocMobilizer> ~ping
Sep 26 21:03:20 <apt> ~pong
Sep 26 21:18:31 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07phonesim * r4a79a69aab70 10/lib/ (callmanager.cpp callmanager.h): callmanager: use contents of RING variable as unsolicited call notification call
Sep 26 21:18:32 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07phonesim * rb17bfc3910fb 10/lib/callmanager.cpp: callmanager: add \r\n command prefixes as per GSM spec
Sep 26 21:18:33 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07phonesim * rbf69408e9daa 10/modems/ti_calypso.xml: ti_calypso.xml: fix incorrect specification for +GCAP
Sep 26 21:18:34 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07phonesim * r09fe01fd8397 10/modems/ti_calypso.xml: ti_calypso.xml: set some more generic vandor info
Sep 26 21:18:36 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07phonesim * r668df49619f2 10/modems/ti_calypso.xml: ti_calypso.xml: set SIM PIN
Sep 26 21:18:51 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r380b8d01abac 10/fsogsmd/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
Sep 26 21:18:51 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: experiment with a different way to instanciate mediators. This does not work currently due to some Vala async
Sep 26 21:18:51 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: inheritance problems.
Sep 26 21:18:52 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r7d3063388985 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/ (Makefile.am const.vala): fsogsmd: add FsoGsm.Constants class for converting between GSM-related datatypes
Sep 26 21:18:54 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rd49d3928a003 10/fsogsmd/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): fsogsmd: prepare for org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.ListProviders() implementation
Sep 26 21:18:57 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * re05c5817fab7 10/fsogsmd/ (5 files in 2 dirs): fsogsmd: fix +COPS=? to recognize the optional access technology field
Sep 26 21:19:00 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rba5d33e1f042 10/fsogsmd/src/ (lib/modem.vala plugins/gsm_device/plugin.vala): 
Sep 26 21:19:03 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: modem: use generics to gather the proper type
Sep 26 21:19:05 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: NOTE: This needs vala later than 15f806f611898953a859c393e363d532974c52bd
Sep 26 21:24:04 <PaulFertser> DocMobilizer: I somehow managed to make it 1/2 the height of a single key. :-/
Sep 26 21:30:22 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r5a65c44af5b3 10/fsogsmd/ (configure.ac src/lib/atcommands.vala src/lib/modem.vala): fsogsmd: catch up with libgee 0.5.0; bump gee requirement
Sep 26 21:30:34 <DocMobilizer> PaulFertser: hey great
Sep 26 21:31:54 <PaulFertser> DocMobilizer: not really. Spent so much time not understanding a thing i'm doing :/ i'm sure any edje-literate dev can do what's needed in 15 min.
Sep 26 21:33:04 <DocMobilizer> i bet. but become edj literate takes months
Sep 26 21:46:02 <DocMobilizer> PaulFertser: btw 1/2 keysize is outright perfect for me. could you publish?
Sep 26 21:51:44 <PaulFertser> DocMobilizer: crude inappropriate dirty hack, leaves about 1/4 of nonsense on top of the KB: http://paste.debian.net/47590/
Sep 26 21:52:54 <DocMobilizer> no pastbin for DocMobilizer please ;)
Sep 26 21:53:27 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer-8: http://paste.debian.net/47590/
Sep 26 21:53:34 <PaulFertser> I doubt it's any better ;)
Sep 26 21:54:03 <DocMobilizer> nah, web is a pain
Sep 26 21:54:19 <DocMobilizer> on FR
Sep 26 21:54:59 <PaulFertser> DocMobilizer: https://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org/files/screwed_niebiee/illume-niebiee.edj
Sep 26 21:55:16 <PaulFertser> Ah, sorry
Sep 26 21:56:27 <PaulFertser> DocMobilizer: now it works
Sep 26 21:56:52 <PaulFertser> E keeps themes in /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes
Sep 26 21:57:26 <DocMobilizer> not really. seems my anti-bb missed wget
Sep 26 21:57:44 <DocMobilizer> 'not a http://'
Sep 26 21:57:48 <PaulFertser> DocMobilizer: http://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org:777/files/screwed_niebiee/illume-niebiee.edj then
Sep 26 22:01:09 <DocMobilizer> PaulFertser: opkg:downloading wget ;)
Sep 26 22:02:53 <PaulFertser> DocMobilizer: and by nonsense i mean random pixels, it doesn't look good.
Sep 26 22:03:06 <DocMobilizer> unsupported scheme - even with real wget
Sep 26 22:03:26 <DocMobilizer> i dont care :)
Sep 26 22:03:47 <PaulFertser> DocMobilizer: use :777 and http
Sep 26 22:05:59 <PaulFertser> At least i tried
Sep 26 22:21:08 <DocSc> ouch, framework borked
Sep 26 22:31:36 <DocSc> WTF?!
Sep 26 22:32:10 * PaulFertser has really hoped that getting his hair wet will allow him to get rid of many big nasty seeds (capitulas of burdock) attached to it fairly easy. Apparently, he's wrong. 
Sep 26 22:32:20 <PaulFertser> Hair conditioner helped a lot though.
Sep 26 22:33:48 <DocSc> PaulFertser: keep the file til I'm back home please
Sep 26 22:34:42 <PaulFertser> DocSc: np, i'll keep it probably until my hdd dies
Sep 26 22:35:25 <PaulFertser> Though it's ugly anyway. Probably i should have first reread the doc about EDC and then tried to hack on it...
Sep 26 22:37:42 <DocMobilizer> PaulFertser: for me its perfect
Sep 26 22:40:40 <PaulFertser> DocMobilizer: good night :)
Sep 26 22:41:53 <DocMobilizer> night paul
Sep 27 00:20:46 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, now 4h always on, with IRC via GPRS, plus 30 min of tangogps and 2 phonecalls. That's not that bad for 50% of bat usage
Sep 27 00:21:06 <SpeedEvil> :)
Sep 27 00:21:13 <SpeedEvil> not at all.
Sep 27 00:21:52 <DocScrutinizer> if only it wouldn't bork on wget - and I mean BORK - then i'd almost cal it a nice device
Sep 27 00:25:30 <DocScrutinizer> at least I can say Samsung OMNIA is dead after 90min of GPS
Sep 27 00:28:24 <max_posedon> yes, its quite good for neo(I remember my travel by bus to Essen) but can be better
Sep 27 00:28:40 <max_posedon> PaulFertser, lindi- hi!, btw, how is cpufreq status?
Sep 27 00:29:01 <max_posedon> I remember some patches and discussions from one night with awesome results
Sep 27 00:32:06 <DocMobilizer> actually it lost another 8% last 30min
Sep 27 00:32:47 <SpeedEvil> bork?
Sep 27 00:32:49 <DocMobilizer> should stop tango ;-)   @home its useless
Sep 27 00:32:55 <SpeedEvil> why?
Sep 27 00:33:45 <DocMobilizer> SpeedEvil: framework fsckd up. no more suspend, no gprs, no nuttin
Sep 27 00:34:18 <SpeedEvil> ah
Sep 27 00:34:28 <SpeedEvil> doubleplusungood
Sep 27 00:34:44 <DocMobilizer> yep
Sep 27 00:38:40 * DocMobilizer wonders whether an NFS mount of FR / on my home box could work. via gprs
Sep 27 00:40:21 <DocMobilizer> or maybe fuse
Sep 27 00:41:24 <SpeedEvil> Serial port getting wedged somehow?
Sep 27 00:42:20 <max_posedon> DocMobilizer, I think sshfs is best in this situation
Sep 27 00:42:39 <DocMobilizer> serial doesn't work >500m wireless
Sep 27 00:42:59 <SpeedEvil> I mean - is the issues due to teh serial port becoming broken 
Sep 27 00:43:08 <DocMobilizer> ssfs==fuse
Sep 27 00:43:24 <max_posedon> hm.. yes)
Sep 27 00:43:53 <DocMobilizer> SpeedEvil: nope. the idea is to have live logs 
Sep 27 00:44:42 <DocMobilizer> maybe even world-readable
Sep 27 00:45:21 <SpeedEvil> DocMobilizer: serial port to the modem in the FR wedged I mean. 
Sep 27 00:45:34 <DocScrutinizer-8> k, now N810 irc recovered from unsolicited reboot
Sep 27 00:46:13 <DocScrutinizer-8> so this kbd is way more convenient ;-P
Sep 27 00:50:36 <DocScrutinizer-8> SpeedEvil: oh, you mean that's causing the BORK
Sep 27 00:52:13 <DocScrutinizer-8> SpeedEvil: there's still a non-closed ticket about heavy load on gprs freezing the modem, yes
Sep 27 00:54:09 <DocScrutinizer-8> and then there's the frameworkd freeze on gprs (pppd) disconnect, that's rather new, 100% reproducable, and quite annoying
Sep 27 00:57:20 <DocScrutinizer-8> the both could go nicely together
Sep 27 00:58:59 <DocScrutinizer-8> SpeedEvil: gprs disconnects (or pppd timeouts) on phonecalls >~3min
Sep 27 00:59:28 <DocScrutinizer-8> all that together is a real PITA
Sep 27 01:05:46 <SpeedEvil> :/
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