**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 29 02:59:58 2009 Sep 29 04:01:44 so, I've been working on a web browser for the freerunner. so far, it's faster, and smaller than dillo2. Sep 29 04:03:36 #! /bin/bash Sep 29 04:03:36 wget $1 -o /dev/null -O - | less Sep 29 04:04:00 I'm thinking about opening up a project page for it. Sep 29 04:06:20 root_demon: why bash? ;) Sep 29 04:09:40 if you're interested in a tcsh port, I might be able to get to that after this becomes beta. we'll see though. Sep 29 04:13:29 so, I'm still USB-less, so my freerunner paperweight is still just that. I've ripped apart my laptop already to check for power failure. now I'm trying a more current kernel. hopefully it will give me more insight. Sep 29 04:14:08 nothing you guys need to know. I simply have nothing else to do while I wait for the download. Sep 29 04:20:12 max_posedon: looks like OpenGL ES is in today's mesa 7.6 release: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzU1NQ Sep 29 04:31:00 muhar. http://jwz.livejournal.com/1096401.html Sep 29 04:31:11 palm seems to have fun shootimg themselves Sep 29 04:51:11 Is Openmoko usable on any u.s.-based phone networks or not yet? Sep 29 04:51:48 FR is a GSM phone Sep 29 04:52:47 mizerydearia, which translates to AT&T and T-Mobile only. Sep 29 05:01:00 The Freerunner case extension has been shipped and is on its way :-) Arrived in germany last night Sep 29 05:01:21 I wonder how long ups needs to deliver it Sep 29 05:34:27 SchorhrAway: what's the case extension? Sep 29 05:35:03 It fits between lid and case for more room (batteires, extensions) Sep 29 05:36:16 budfive_: CAD-Files from http://openmokast.org/pictures.html (see bottom for pictures) Sep 29 05:37:12 Printed at Shapeways.com, about $16; If the material (white strong&flexible, a sort of nylon) is suitable, I'll make a thinner (cheaper) and a bit larger version Sep 29 05:38:15 SchorhrAway: thanks Sep 29 05:38:25 I need a longer battery lifetime and external battery boxes are not really handy Sep 29 05:57:33 Is this channel still active Sep 29 06:00:55 u know it Sep 29 06:15:47 DocScrutinizer: hey, seen my link? Sep 29 06:23:08 How can I get midori to download pdf files instead of showing "can not be displayed?" Sep 29 06:30:50 Editing the config-file and removing the # infront of the download path did not work, after starting midori the config file is back to normal Sep 29 06:34:05 SchorhrAway: in debian it asks "Open or download file" [save] [save as] [cancel] [open] Sep 29 06:37:08 Unfortunaly on the openmoko fr with shr it will just open a page "...can not be displayed...", and as right clicking is not implemented in some way, its a bit tricky (since copying the adress will not work either) Sep 29 06:39:17 SchorhrAway: sounds like a broken distro :( Sep 29 06:39:37 why broken distro? Sep 29 06:40:17 SchorhrAway: well it should test programs for obvious things like this before including them? Sep 29 06:59:28 lindi-: Well, it's a minor flaw of the program, not really a broken distro :-) Sep 29 07:59:08 SchorhrAway: quite fatal flaw in a web browser? Sep 29 07:59:59 As long as viewing webpages works Sep 29 09:42:43 hello all, just a little thing for the german users Sep 29 09:43:51 i set up a little foswiki which is open, for expiriences.. it contains more possibilitys, i think.. so if someone want also to share expiriences, you're welcome to join Sep 29 09:43:53 https://death-head.ch/pubwiki/bin/view/Tech/Openmoko/ Sep 29 09:44:15 (short url must be made, root-certificate is from cacert.org) Sep 29 09:46:21 your certificate is not trusted because issuer CA is not known in firefox ;) Sep 29 09:46:54 looks like a self signed cert Sep 29 09:48:41 or cacert.org is not by default in the firefox CA's Sep 29 09:49:26 no, cacert isn't per default in firefox Sep 29 09:49:32 because of this i said it ;) Sep 29 09:49:37 hehe ok Sep 29 09:49:52 but than why bother to use an external signed one and not a self-signed? Sep 29 09:50:00 the root-certificate must be downloaded on cacert.org , but it's a easy thing Sep 29 09:50:11 the effect in the browser is the same because cacert is not official :) Sep 29 09:50:32 why not just use the official wiki? Sep 29 09:50:41 yeah, but i like the princip of cacert.. Sep 29 09:50:54 1. i want to make it german Sep 29 09:51:07 2. the work with foswiki is much easyer for me Sep 29 09:51:32 3. it's electronical, so it's easy to port ;) Sep 29 09:51:46 there s a german wiki Sep 29 09:51:59 a german translation I mean Sep 29 09:52:02 so you want to split up the information and make it more difficult for the rest of the community to find, simply because you don't like english or a particular wiki software? Sep 29 09:52:12 4. there are some pages which descripes the same thing, but some things aren't clear for me Sep 29 09:53:03 i also think that german pages in the official openmoko wiki would be better than a complete different wiki on another url... Sep 29 09:53:26 mmh, no, i think, it's another way of documentation.. at least for me.. in the official wiki is another idea of the structur, i think.. Sep 29 09:54:08 heh, good luck with your wiki, but don't be surprised if you're the only person using it Sep 29 09:54:21 than at least make a reference in the official wiki to your wiki so that people can find it Sep 29 09:54:29 that's no problem for me ;) Sep 29 09:55:02 if i've got a new expirience, i wrote it there, that's all.. and if someone could use the information, it's good.. :) Sep 29 09:55:17 so it's a blog Sep 29 09:56:00 yeah, something like that, but in the end, it is a wiki.. there arent's daily-entrys, sorted by date.. Sep 29 09:56:31 i'm also german but i don't think that i will use many different pages only because they are german. at the moment the best site for "wiki" information is the official site i think. but good luck for your german site. :) Sep 29 09:56:33 :) Sep 29 09:57:34 thx.. :) Sep 29 09:58:38 but someone can't generally use the information. Sep 29 09:58:50 As it's not on the normal site, and they won't know to look Sep 29 10:09:45 mmh, it's possible to make a link Sep 29 10:10:56 mickey_away, hi Sep 29 10:11:03 or, if some peoble think, there are good articles, they are able to "fork" it (i know, as default there is a copyright, but this is just from the foswiki, i use copyleft :) ) Sep 29 12:15:26 does someone know a possibility to say the debian-installer "don't make partitions on my sd-card, just use partition 1+2 (1 for boot) ? Sep 29 12:16:11 skamster_: install.sh or debian-installer? Sep 29 12:18:01 install.sh Sep 29 12:20:46 i didn't found something which allows the let the whole sd-card be and just formating the partitions.. Sep 29 12:20:55 or is somewhere a root-fs? Sep 29 12:21:00 as tar.gz? Sep 29 12:21:25 skamster_: ok, debian-installer is a completely different program Sep 29 12:21:42 skamster_: have you looked at the options install.sh takes? Sep 29 12:21:49 yes Sep 29 12:21:56 http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner/InstallScript Sep 29 12:22:11 just here, but i think, there are all the options.. Sep 29 12:22:28 the most simple way is a rootfs-file i think Sep 29 12:22:33 skamster_: see the stages Sep 29 12:22:34 I never got anywhere useful with install.sh Sep 29 12:22:57 ended up getting it booting and such, but still broken in several ways (usb net, X, etc..) Sep 29 12:23:28 ndnihil: i don't see how that could be solved without working on it :) Sep 29 12:23:46 I did work on it, for a couple days at least Sep 29 12:23:52 got annoyed and flashed shr-u Sep 29 12:24:29 but, now that it's no longer a "phone" for me, I might give it another go, I'd rather have debian Sep 29 12:24:52 ndnihil: ah. you had no realname set so I couldn't find you from the pkg-fso mailing list, did you post there? Sep 29 12:25:07 I havent posted to the ML at all Sep 29 12:25:20 made one or two wiki edits, but that's it Sep 29 12:26:03 to be honest, I haven't even read much of the ML traffic other than stuff that google pointed me to Sep 29 12:27:15 heh, and I just googled "bing" for fun, and it looks like M$ is paying google to advertise bing Sep 29 12:27:47 (unrelated, but I thought it was amusing) Sep 29 12:28:46 i found a option.. :) Sep 29 12:28:55 hope it works, if not, then not.. Sep 29 12:29:00 :) Sep 29 12:29:49 http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner Sep 29 12:29:53 you tried that yet? Sep 29 12:30:27 no, i was trying by the new wiki from debian.org (http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner) Sep 29 12:30:43 but everything's ok now, but i must wait Sep 29 12:32:02 so i see then if it works.. the installer is a little bit strange in my eyes.. Sep 29 12:32:25 .jffs2 makes more sense.. but if it works, it's nice ;) Sep 29 12:34:35 ndnihil: the developers really don't have time to hang around on IRC so they haven't probably even heard of your problem Sep 29 12:35:20 ndnihil: IRC is a bad medium for bug reports Sep 29 12:36:07 I was in a bit of a rush to turn it back into a functional phone and just didn't bother Sep 29 12:36:28 I was using it for work Sep 29 12:36:45 but they deactivated the sim and are sending me a CDMA brokeberry to replace it Sep 29 12:36:52 should be here today in fact Sep 29 12:41:04 hi, if I want to pair with bluetooth from my computer, how do I set the pin of the freerunner? I'm using SHR... Sep 29 12:41:41 btpass-simpleagentmod.py Sep 29 12:41:56 er, disregard, I think I named it that Sep 29 12:42:20 yeah, I found it Sep 29 12:42:48 I went through a few before finding one that worked Sep 29 12:43:16 this one: http://nihil.rchomepage.com/misc/moko/btpass-simpleagentmod.py ? Sep 29 12:43:33 hah, yeah, that's my site Sep 29 12:43:52 google is king :) Sep 29 12:45:29 I can't really figure out how to use it though Sep 29 12:46:18 hrm, on the shr-u I'm running now it errors out Sep 29 12:46:44 Ahh, I got it... Sep 29 13:06:10 lindi: i became just internal errors on debian-installation Sep 29 13:06:21 but just at the end Sep 29 13:06:41 before, the output is something like P: packagename Sep 29 13:06:52 but i don't know if p means problem Sep 29 13:29:07 anyone going to be in turin in mid-october? Sep 29 13:29:20 Visit us dressed like James Bond* in a black smoking and win a Linux spy Sep 29 13:29:20 cam kit. *(no guns allowed). Every visitor will get the smallest embedded Sep 29 13:29:20 GPRS/UMTS antenna for free. Sep 29 13:29:39 What about rocket launchers? Sep 29 13:29:55 they dont specifically exclude them, so I'd say it's safe Sep 29 13:30:28 http://www.itnexpo.it/eng/ Sep 29 13:52:10 http://www.roundsolutions.com/news/wireless-spycam.htm Sep 29 13:52:14 looks like a neat gadget Sep 29 13:53:15 (it's the roundsolutions booth you have to visit dressed as 007) Sep 29 14:03:16 * DocScrutinizer-8 gets a magnetron with surge generator stuffed into a siutcase, from Mr Q Sep 29 14:04:28 could someone help me to install debian? Sep 29 14:04:32 i use install.sh Sep 29 14:04:38 and always became the error Sep 29 14:04:39 P: Configuring package lsb-base Sep 29 14:04:39 E: Internal error: install Sep 29 14:08:41 ah, i see a problem.. apt-get isn't there after install that package Sep 29 14:08:45 but why? Sep 29 14:09:12 and is it possible to reinstall it in a easy way? Sep 29 14:09:18 missing a chroot? Sep 29 14:10:04 I haven't seen an "easy" way Sep 29 14:10:06 yet Sep 29 14:11:57 mmh, i do that Sep 29 14:12:06 i've got dpkg to use Sep 29 14:12:14 but i need a apt-get-package Sep 29 14:12:35 then i could make wget and install it with dpkg Sep 29 14:12:51 but where i found apt-get as .deb-package? Sep 29 14:13:10 same repo you're using for everything else I'd imagine Sep 29 14:15:30 i search in the repo Sep 29 14:15:36 http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/ Sep 29 14:15:42 but i didn't found it Sep 29 14:16:43 # dpkg -S `which apt-get` Sep 29 14:16:43 apt: /usr/bin/apt-get Sep 29 14:16:59 apt package should have it Sep 29 14:16:59 * apt puts should have it in an unmarked cardboard box on the top shelf of an inconveniently located closet Sep 29 14:17:16 * ndnihil stabs apt Sep 29 14:17:41 brb Sep 29 14:41:38 yes, i've got it Sep 29 14:41:46 now i must restore the lists Sep 29 14:42:00 so could someone tell me, how i must wrote that? Sep 29 14:42:13 deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian main Sep 29 14:42:13 ? Sep 29 14:42:53 or what else also? Sep 29 14:43:47 need to specify dist Sep 29 14:43:58 deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free Sep 29 14:44:00 like that Sep 29 14:44:21 deb Sep 29 14:45:05 ok, thx.. but damn, what's wrong with this system? Sep 29 14:45:14 root@om-gta02 ~ $ chroot /mnt/debian apt-get update Sep 29 14:45:14 Err http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org unstable Release.gpg Sep 29 14:45:14 Temporary failure resolving 'pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org' Sep 29 14:45:35 shr had always web-connection, but the chrootet part not? Sep 29 14:45:44 what's my failure? Sep 29 14:46:15 no configured resolv.conf in your chroot'd dir Sep 29 14:52:16 chroot is rather tricky Sep 29 15:15:05 ndnihil: is it realy a sarge-distro? Sep 29 15:15:08 not a lenny? Sep 29 15:15:47 hi Sep 29 15:15:48 heh Sep 29 15:15:50 sarge is old Sep 29 15:15:52 deprecated Sep 29 15:15:55 and no longer supported Sep 29 15:16:43 not sure what dist is used for the current FR Sep 29 15:16:46 because of deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free Sep 29 15:16:47 unstable I think Sep 29 15:16:47 ;) Sep 29 15:17:06 that was just an example, not a verbatim instruction Sep 29 15:18:37 uff.. if i finish my damn installation, i make a .tar.gz and load it on my server.. Sep 29 15:19:52 but now it seems to work :) Sep 29 15:20:03 thx ndnihil :) Sep 29 15:20:51 no problem, glad you got it sorted Sep 29 15:21:43 hrm, new berry just showed up Sep 29 15:24:31 fucking rim Sep 29 15:24:34 what jackasses Sep 29 15:24:43 they switched usb ports Sep 29 15:25:12 instead of mini-b or whatever the common one is (same on the FR), it's some flat half moon looking thing Sep 29 15:28:15 and there's a sticker/tag on the headphone cables Sep 29 15:28:32 the -only- thing it has on it, is an icon that states "dont throw this tag away" Sep 29 15:28:37 * ndnihil shakes his head Sep 29 15:47:21 ndnihil: None of those? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Types-usb_new.svg Sep 29 15:47:55 looks kinda like the micro-b, but more rounded Sep 29 15:48:47 "As of January 30, 2009 Micro-USB has been accepted by almost all cell phone manufacturers as the standard charging port (including Apple, Motorola, Nokia, LG, RIM, Samsung, Sony Ericsson) in the EU and most of the world." - Hmm... Sep 29 15:48:48 actually no, looking at it in some light, it's a micro-b Sep 29 15:49:02 there was nothing wrong with mini-b Sep 29 15:49:17 in fact I'd say mini-b is more fault tolerant due to larger pad/contact size Sep 29 15:50:21 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#Mini_and_Micro goes into length about the difference but has a "citation needed" on exactly the statement about durability ;) Sep 29 15:50:55 easy enough to do Sep 29 15:51:04 digikey catalog for parts Sep 29 15:51:07 yup Sep 29 15:51:08 mating cycles Sep 29 15:51:13 dremel the case Sep 29 15:51:22 mini-b conversion :) Sep 29 16:15:48 so is kde as fast as xfce on debian? Sep 29 16:16:10 openmoko install Sep 29 16:25:09 PaulFertser, Sep 29 16:25:10 Hi Sep 29 16:25:22 I find another method to inport contact from the simcard Sep 29 16:25:59 panicking: hey :) Sep 29 16:26:16 I big work with the gsm documentation Sep 29 16:26:17 :D Sep 29 16:27:57 linuxxr: don't try to use kde on openmoko. it is unusable slow and needs way too much memory Sep 29 16:27:58 panicking: heh, what's better about this method comparing to the one FSO uses? Sep 29 16:28:21 It's compatible with the android framework and with the ofono framework I think Sep 29 16:29:14 I think that the best thingi is to discuss with mickey_away when he is online Sep 29 16:29:59 I use sim raw function Sep 29 16:30:03 to read the data from the sim Sep 29 16:30:58 panicking: yes, but how is it better? Does it give more information or is the format simpler? I'm just trying to understand coolness of your discovery :) Sep 29 16:32:17 Well I try to explain. In android and ofono there is a common method to read some info from the Sep 29 16:32:29 simcard using AT+CRSM access function Sep 29 16:33:16 but the AT+CRSM function are not implemented in the calypso Sep 29 16:33:22 or maybe They don't work Sep 29 16:33:34 so I must use a AT+CSIM function Sep 29 16:33:40 to import contact and sms Sep 29 16:34:44 So I don't change the high level Sep 29 16:34:49 of the framework Sep 29 16:35:01 but map the AT+CRSM in AT+CSIM access Sep 29 16:35:04 at low level Sep 29 16:35:16 panicking: aha, now i get it. Sep 29 16:35:58 panicking: sorry for sounding a bit too sceptical but i'm not quite sure that design decisions of android and ofono are flawless. Sep 29 16:38:01 It's not a problem, I have an issue on the project and try to fix. If you have some bug on fso Sep 29 16:38:11 I can try to do somenthing on the fso too Sep 29 16:46:23 PaulFertser, I have some knowlloge about android framework Sep 29 16:46:29 I need to study for fso Sep 29 16:53:44 panicking: i understand. Sep 29 16:55:46 panicking: are you getting paid for you android work btw? (i understand it's not very polite to ask so feel free to ignore the question). Sep 29 16:57:11 :) no :) I hope in the feauture, but all the work I do is only for free Sep 29 16:57:13 :D Sep 29 16:57:59 When somenthing post "thank you" on your blog it's very nice Sep 29 16:58:10 and I'm happy Sep 29 17:00:16 panicking: Oh. I still find it's amusing someone likes to spend his free time on android ;) Sep 29 17:41:45 * DocScrutinizer-8 wonders how framework is accessing sim contacts when standard AT method allegedly doesn't work o.O Sep 29 17:42:16 also *if* it doesn't work that's a *major* bug in calypso FW and would need a fix Sep 29 17:43:03 as the access to sim contacts via standard AT methos is mandatory according to 07.07 I guess Sep 29 17:43:53 whereas at+csim probably is rather proprietary and maybe depending on particular sim Sep 29 17:49:30 at+crsm Sep 29 17:49:37 is the standard method to access the sim Sep 29 17:49:45 but in the calypso doens't wokr Sep 29 17:50:08 so I access the sim with the AT+CSIM Sep 29 17:50:15 that can access the a0 Sep 29 17:50:16 file Sep 29 17:52:23 * DocScrutinizer-8 wonders if AT+CSIM even worked at all in FW prior MOKO10 Sep 29 17:52:53 Yes I know Sep 29 17:53:01 but It works Sep 29 17:53:06 on a0 access Sep 29 17:53:08 I test it Sep 29 17:53:15 and I bet frameworkd isn't using at+csim, yet can access SIM contacts Sep 29 17:53:18 on MOKO11 Sep 29 17:53:35 No it using a specific at command Sep 29 17:53:39 to read the contact Sep 29 17:54:13 DocScrutinizer-8, sorry but what is your real name? Sep 29 17:54:32 ~docscrutinizer Sep 29 17:54:33 methinks docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko Sep 29 17:54:42 AH ok Sep 29 17:55:05 So basically Sep 29 17:55:05 ~ndnihil Sep 29 17:55:12 the proplem is to access the fileid Sep 29 17:55:18 using AT+CRSM command Sep 29 17:55:25 that I thing it is bogus Sep 29 17:55:30 or partially implemented Sep 29 17:55:37 I don't have the gsm firmware Sep 29 17:55:50 but I find how to implement it using CSIM access Sep 29 17:55:53 ~ndnihil is a dumb ass ;-) Sep 29 17:55:55 DocScrutinizer-8: okay Sep 29 17:56:09 ~ndnihil Sep 29 17:56:10 extra, extra, read all about it, ndnihil is a dumb ass ;-) Sep 29 17:56:31 ~forget ndnihil Sep 29 17:56:31 i didn't have anything called 'ndnihil ' to forget, DocScrutinizer-8 Sep 29 17:56:42 ~forget ndnihil Sep 29 17:56:42 i didn't have anything called 'ndnihil ' to forget, DocScrutinizer-8 Sep 29 17:57:18 tzz Sep 29 17:57:23 ~ndnihil Sep 29 17:57:24 well, ndnihil is a dumb ass ;-) Sep 29 17:57:50 wtf?? Sep 29 17:58:02 ~forget ndnihil Sep 29 17:58:03 DocScrutinizer-8: i forgot ndnihil Sep 29 17:58:30 ~balmer Sep 29 17:58:30 duh, trailing spaces o.O Sep 29 17:58:47 incredible Sep 29 17:59:09 dumb ass! Sep 29 17:59:11 :P Sep 29 17:59:17 Stroller: lol Sep 29 17:59:41 Thank you folks, I'll be here all night! Don't forget to tip your waitress Sep 29 18:03:55 DocScrutinizer, do you have the source of the firmware Sep 29 18:03:56 ? Sep 29 18:04:15 panicking: Dieter does Sep 29 18:04:24 panicking: Doc has access too. Sep 29 18:04:43 panicking: but only a small part of it, AT command interpreter basically. Sep 29 18:04:57 panicking: full sources are only accessible by TI. Sep 29 18:05:02 I think that the best thing is work on firmware to fix the AT+CRSM restricted access Sep 29 18:05:09 to the SIM Sep 29 18:05:25 Another big problem is the AT%SLEEP=4 Sep 29 18:05:29 Can I work on it Sep 29 18:05:29 ? Sep 29 18:05:56 panicking: what advantages does it have comparing to the methods used by other software? Is it worth trying to fix CRSM at all when there're dedicated commands to read contacts and messages? Sep 29 18:06:04 panicking: what's wrong with SLEEP=4? Sep 29 18:06:15 Blimey, these µSD cards are small! Sep 29 18:07:14 AT%SLEEP=4 has problem with network re-registration BUG Sep 29 18:07:20 Stroller: amazing, isn't it? :-) Sep 29 18:07:21 or it is closed in the moko11 Sep 29 18:07:21 ? Sep 29 18:07:41 panicking: please read ML Sep 29 18:07:47 archives Sep 29 18:08:16 * Stroller bemoans his first hard-drive, uphill in the snow Sep 29 18:08:59 Stroller: hehe, 32MB, RLL? Sep 29 18:09:27 panicking: read the very end of #1024 ticket at om trac. Sep 29 18:09:46 ok thanks Sep 29 18:10:39 * DocScrutinizer-8 thinks panicking is doing a huge "reinvent the wheel" effort, due to missing info caused by RTFM-syndrome Sep 29 18:11:37 PaulFertser, the ticket talk about change a capacity. Sep 29 18:12:00 DocScrutinizer, I don't want to reinvent the wheel but give the possibily to the user to use Sep 29 18:12:03 the gta02 Sep 29 18:12:03 panicking: yes, the only working solution out there. Sep 29 18:12:13 with android Sep 29 18:13:17 panicking: #1024 was caused by an "obvious" layout mistake. Dieter tried damn hard to solve it in software btw. Sep 29 18:13:33 panicking: the strange thing is: users *can* use GTA02 -- with SHR e.g. Sep 29 18:14:08 DocScrutinizer, but they can use android too Sep 29 18:14:17 what is the problem with the android framework? Sep 29 18:14:49 panicking: so obviously trying to "fix" things like sim-contacts access for whatever distro is clearly reinventing solutions that already are existent Sep 29 18:15:29 But if you have a framework that expect some result from a command you must provide Sep 29 18:15:42 the same info to the uplevel, so you must hack the code and fix the issue. Sep 29 18:15:55 There is a calypso firmware problem Sep 29 18:16:03 panicking: #1024 has an acceptable software workaround. And as to CRSM i just don't see why you think it's really mandatory. Sep 29 18:16:29 Android framework access the contact list Sep 29 18:16:51 using AT+CRSM command so It expect the same error code Sep 29 18:16:54 the same data format Sep 29 18:17:06 panicking: well, it's easier to tweak android than to implement a new command in firmware. Sep 29 18:17:14 * DocScrutinizer-8 takes an off-time :-S Sep 29 18:17:23 panicking: also are you really sure that it's mandatory according to the standard? Sep 29 18:18:15 Well I'm not an expert maybe mickey_away or DocScrutinizer-8 has an answer Sep 29 18:18:40 I think that ofone and android Sep 29 18:18:51 use at+crsm command to access the sim Sep 29 18:18:53 memory Sep 29 18:22:51 panicking: why don't you just download the standard and see for youself? http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/archive/07_series/07.07/0707-780.zip ! Sep 29 18:23:12 If my eyes don't lie to me (and catdoc works properly) both CSIM and CRSM are _Optional_ Sep 29 18:24:57 for csim you bet it is Sep 29 18:26:03 but hey. Android is doing it that (wrong) way, even windoof does it that (stupid) way. Seems we missed a defacto standard Sep 29 18:28:07 shame on Dr. Mickey Lauer for he didn't open a ticket on that back when he noticed we can only do it the STANDARD way, not the ""right"" way Sep 29 18:30:53 DocScrutinizer-8, I don't understand if it's a problem to have an other distribuition running on the gta02 Sep 29 18:31:06 How many mobile use the the shr? Sep 29 18:31:39 panicking: do not you understand what he's saying? Sep 29 18:31:48 panicking: he says you want to have _optional_ commands for no good reason. Sep 29 18:31:56 panicking: that's not about having different distros at all. Sep 29 18:32:11 Yes I undestand, but I dont' know why the android framwowrk Sep 29 18:32:17 is design around an optional command Sep 29 18:32:23 panicking: so don't we Sep 29 18:32:45 panicking: in FSO a modem abstraction is caring about hw platform idiosyncrasies. We don't care about AT+CSRM Sep 29 18:32:53 panicking: probably because it worked on the HTC Dream phone :) Sep 29 18:33:54 I take it one can do NFS mounts just fine in SHR? Sep 29 18:34:20 Stroller: SHR is linux Sep 29 18:34:39 but since android sources are out there, it should be possible to make it working with CSIM AT commands (and the Koolu version could read contacts at least for me) Sep 29 18:35:33 DocScrutinizer-8: it would have been fewer letters to type "yes", if that's what you mean Sep 29 18:35:33 :P Sep 29 18:36:02 IIRC NFS needs a kernel module & helper utilities Sep 29 18:36:06 radekp1: android sources? Sep 29 18:37:23 Stroller: afaik those are in andy-tracking since beginning. So all decent FR distros should know how to NFS Sep 29 18:37:31 lindi-: yes, i was building every single bit of my android from sources Sep 29 18:37:52 DocScrutinizer-8: TY Sep 29 18:37:53 Stroller: or simply: yes Sep 29 18:38:14 radekp1: but is that the same source that is used on the android phones that are sold? Sep 29 18:39:06 Yes, the cupcake version is the same Sep 29 18:39:24 Stroller: yet NFS is rather cumbersome, esp when network goes down and thus operations on NFS file handles stall forever Sep 29 18:39:25 but there are a lot of changes that are inside google and some closed part Sep 29 18:39:37 panicking: cupcake version? Sep 29 18:40:10 cupcake branc Sep 29 18:40:14 branch of android Sep 29 18:40:24 lindi-: mostly yes - sold phones have some closed source apps preinstalled, and their modem interface maybe closed (i dont know), but the one for Freerunner is opensource Sep 29 18:43:32 DocScrutinizer-8: yeah, but I don't plan to use it often; I might just need it this once Sep 29 18:43:41 Is there any way to adjust screen sensitivity in SHR or for SHR's keyboard? Sep 29 18:44:20 Stroller: "less /etc/fstab" Sep 29 18:44:35 Stroller: iirc there even is a NFS entry Sep 29 18:45:48 yup Sep 29 18:46:07 /local/pkg Sep 29 18:46:31 marked #nfs-host Sep 29 18:46:34 PaulFertser, where can I find the open ticket of the fso distrib that are very critical? Sep 29 18:47:02 panicking: http://trac.freesmartphone.org Sep 29 18:47:10 panicking: there's no FSO distribution btw. Sep 29 18:47:23 panicking: trac.freesmartphone.org ? Sep 29 18:47:38