**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 01 02:59:56 2009
Oct 01 03:11:47 <root_demon> anyone in here using the latest SHR on a FR?
Oct 01 03:12:20 <playya> yes
Oct 01 05:41:33 <Slaxxer> 090609 shr u   without opkg upgrade
Oct 01 05:42:45 <Slaxxer> so   the xorg fix that   devs are working on right now  ,, will that make opendoom work correctly?
Oct 01 05:43:19 <Slaxxer> an duke3d to?
Oct 01 05:43:54 <Slaxxer> i always get what looks like 2 screens
Oct 01 05:59:33 <playya> Slaxxer, i think you have to play around with the startup script
Oct 01 06:00:01 <playya> this is my old start script: http://pastebin.com/f655de0af
Oct 01 06:00:08 <playya> not test for months
Oct 01 06:05:39 <Slaxxer> thanks
Oct 01 06:05:50 <Slaxxer> what did u change?
Oct 01 06:13:20 <Slaxxer> so i modify  the current script  or just run that script?
Oct 01 11:47:01 <CIA-44> openmoko: 03rask * r5665 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ (STATUS ecn0041.txt): - added ECN0041 (for discussion) "Test points and 0R resistors for camera interface"
Oct 01 11:48:44 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r6d666e829bbf 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/ (atcommand.vala mediators.vala modem.vala): fsogsmd: create AT command factory as generic method for more lightweight syntax
Oct 01 11:48:46 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r68faabc8cb49 10/.gitignore: gitignore: add .vapi
Oct 01 11:48:48 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rae5aff201e71 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/ (commandqueue.vala mediators.vala): fsogsmd: mediators: create helper function for gathering speaker volume range
Oct 01 12:50:49 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r7372d5bb74d7 10/ (6 files in 2 dirs): bind new ELM widgets and sync with EFL API as per upstream SVN rev 42837
Oct 01 12:54:16 <Cristianpark> Hi all, I want to know if there is a way to change call volume during a call on SHR. I've seen that on OM 2008.12 before so I think if it doesn't exist it can be implemented
Oct 01 13:16:20 <thegreen4me> does anyone know a good email client for the freerunner?
Oct 01 13:17:11 <PaulFertser> Cristianpark: alsamixer
Oct 01 13:17:18 <PaulFertser> Cristianpark: or custom python script
Oct 01 13:17:44 <PaulFertser> Cristianpark: somebody wrote a program for that too, ask khiraly (Laslo), he was the latest who touched it.
Oct 01 13:17:53 <PaulFertser> thegreen4me: mutt
Oct 01 13:21:18 <thegreen4me> is mutt int the shr repository, or do I have to look elsewhere?
Oct 01 13:22:26 <Cristianpark> PaulFertser: Thank You, I'll ask Laslo, where can I find him? is registered on the wiki?
Oct 01 13:22:56 <PaulFertser> Cristianpark: i guess yes, look at the mailing lists archives, you'll find him.
Oct 01 13:24:20 <Cristianpark> PaulFertser: Thanks, changhing the subject, I've been trying to change the order of the icons in the desktop
Oct 01 13:24:45 <Cristianpark> they're alfabetically ordered, do you know how can I customize that?
Oct 01 13:24:47 <PaulFertser> Cristianpark: illume launcher is clumsy and not really functional, that's a long-standing known issue.
Oct 01 13:25:13 <PaulFertser> Cristianpark: it should respect xdg menus files somewhat probably. But i suggest you try c_c's launcher instead.
Oct 01 13:41:16 <naeg> where can i find python-phoneutils source tarball?
Oct 01 13:57:38 <leth> i'm guessing that a blinking aux-button led means something like kernel panic..
Oct 01 13:58:05 <ndnihil> depends on the dist I'd assume, but yeah, on SHR it blinks when it shits itself
Oct 01 13:58:59 <leth> thats what i guessed..
Oct 01 13:59:26 <leth> yes i'm using shr
Oct 01 13:59:48 <leth> ah well i needed a reboot anyway..
Oct 01 14:40:36 <thegreen4me> does anyone know where i can get jvm for the freerunner?
Oct 01 14:43:21 <lindi-> thegreen4me: debian ships many
Oct 01 14:50:46 <thegreen4me> is there  jvm on shr?
Oct 01 14:51:17 <beer> has shr developings been slowned down. Once there would be a new image every week. Now I can only find a jffs2-image from the 6th sept
Oct 01 14:53:40 <thegreen4me> beer, that is a question for #openmoko-cdevel
Oct 01 14:54:00 <beer> k
Oct 01 14:58:07 <Slaxxer> Hi
Oct 01 14:58:07 <Slaxxer> > i might have already asked this,,,     is there a chance that SlackARM 
Oct 01 14:58:07 <Slaxxer> > will run on the openmoko freerunner?
Oct 01 14:58:07 <Slaxxer> The Slackware ARM packages user land packages, in the main, will be fine
Oct 01 14:58:07 <Slaxxer> on the system - although perhaps may require some additional tweaking.
Oct 01 14:58:10 <Slaxxer> I think the majority of work would be the installation and resolving all
Oct 01 14:58:12 <Slaxxer> of the requirements and parameters required to boot the system.
Oct 01 14:58:14 <Slaxxer> I have had a brief look through:
Oct 01 14:58:16 <Slaxxer> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner
Oct 01 14:58:18 <Slaxxer> If somebody is interested in making an out of box experience, including
Oct 01 14:58:20 <Slaxxer> installation documentation, then let me know.
Oct 01 14:58:26 <Slaxxer> yea
Oct 01 14:58:50 <Slaxxer> that was Stuart Winter
Oct 01 15:07:25 <Slaxxer> http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/?C=M;O=D
Oct 01 15:07:36 <Slaxxer>  the older images are there
Oct 01 15:08:20 <Slaxxer> even olde ones here
Oct 01 15:08:23 <Slaxxer> http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/old/?C=M;O=D
Oct 01 15:33:54 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * r3b9babf76ba7 10/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
Oct 01 15:33:54 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: ousaged: handle org.freesmartphone.Resource errors
Oct 01 15:33:54 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de>
Oct 01 16:19:02 <johnsu01> hm, why does my phone suddenly think it's an hour later than it is
Oct 01 16:20:22 <PaulFertser> johnsu01: probably FSO messing your timezone?
Oct 01 16:22:33 <johnsu01> PaulFertser: yeah, I suppose, wonder what changed
Oct 01 16:23:47 <PaulFertser> johnsu01: check your current timezone first.
Oct 01 16:24:29 <PaulFertser> johnsu01: and take a look at frameworkd log anyway. Either it changed the time or timezone :)
Oct 01 16:31:01 <zear> hello there, i just upgraded my SHR to the newest unstable version, and i can't ssh to it now
Oct 01 16:31:15 <zear> my pc detects it as eth2 instead of usb0 now
Oct 01 16:32:08 <PaulFertser> zear: that's expected
Oct 01 16:32:49 <zear> i've been trying to the same things as mentioned on the wiki about usb networking, just replacing usb0 with eth2, but i still can't ssh to my fr
Oct 01 16:33:47 <zear> did the ip address of the freerunner beeing seen in the usb network changed as well?
Oct 01 16:33:54 <PaulFertser> zear: i guess setting up networking properly requires some network adiminstartion skills. I suggest you to read cool manuals at http://netfilter.org
Oct 01 16:34:17 <PaulFertser> zear: SHR still defaults to 192.168.0.202, you can easily see that using terminal on FR itself. 
Oct 01 16:34:23 <zear> well, i know nothing about networking, i just followed this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Gentoo
Oct 01 16:34:32 <zear> and it worked great for usb0, but does not for eth2
Oct 01 16:35:18 <PaulFertser> zear: imho if you want to set up networking, you should understand that. If i had magic powers to convince people i'd remove _all_ iptables "recipies" from the wiki :/
Oct 01 16:36:11 <zear> i understand your point completely, however i urgently need to ssh on it and download some basic programs
Oct 01 16:36:19 <zear> i guess i'll just downgrade the SHR in that case
Oct 01 16:36:30 <PaulFertser> zear: that'd be stupid indeed i'm afraid.
Oct 01 16:37:03 <PaulFertser> zear: check your ifconfig eth2 output on your laptop carefully.
Oct 01 16:37:30 <PaulFertser> zear: if you want to simple ssh to your FR and do not have any tricky iptables configuration, it should just work provided you have proper IP on that interface.
Oct 01 16:38:03 <zear> oh, so i should just ifconfig eth1 192.168.0.202 ?
Oct 01 16:38:08 <zear> *eth2
Oct 01 16:38:17 <PaulFertser> zear: should be enough i guess
Oct 01 16:38:30 <zear> nope, doesn't work
Oct 01 16:38:41 <PaulFertser> I use config_eth2=( "192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.251" )
Oct 01 16:38:46 <PaulFertser> And that is enough here.
Oct 01 16:39:35 <zear> oh, got it, i should ifconfig eth2 192.168.0.200, not 202
Oct 01 16:40:05 <zear> ok, i'm in, thanks for the help
Oct 01 16:41:09 <zear> oh, and it even routes the network, everything's fine, thanks again
Oct 01 16:45:50 <PaulFertser> zear: i still recommend you to study network administration ;) 
Oct 01 16:46:34 <zear> yeah, it sounds to be the most reasonable way
Oct 01 16:47:25 <zear> btw is anyone interested in games on the freerunner
Oct 01 16:47:46 <zear> i've successfully ported Powder and fheroes2 games
Oct 01 17:24:53 <PBeck> hi
Oct 01 17:27:41 <|Marco|> hey
Oct 01 18:04:57 <cz_jc> hello, any idea why my FR hangs when I have it on charger power and remove battery ?
Oct 01 18:05:22 <cz_jc> I need to experiment with (re)moving SIM because I get AT errors from my modem but I can't get FR to work without battery
Oct 01 18:06:46 <ndnihil> how much current is the charger capable of putting out?
Oct 01 18:09:43 <cz_jc> ndnihil, its the stock charger that came with my FR
Oct 01 18:10:04 <cz_jc> I was able to turn it on without a battery with it when it came
Oct 01 18:10:27 <cz_jc> ndnihil, I think its 1A or 2A btw
Oct 01 18:10:42 <ndnihil> 1A should be plenty
Oct 01 18:11:12 <ndnihil> dont recally what the FR needs to boot/run
Oct 01 18:11:17 <ndnihil> s/recally/recall/
Oct 01 18:11:17 <apt> ndnihil meant: dont recall what the FR needs to boot/run
Oct 01 18:11:23 <PaulFertser> cz_jc: you better stop framework before removing the battery.
Oct 01 18:11:29 * ndnihil stabs apt
Oct 01 18:11:35 <cz_jc> PaulFertser, why? :)
Oct 01 18:11:40 <cz_jc> btw. it was stopped
Oct 01 18:11:46 <cz_jc> I needed direct modem access
Oct 01 18:12:09 <PaulFertser> cz_jc: you should turn off GSM before removing bat.
Oct 01 18:12:19 <cz_jc> PaulFertser, why? ^^'
Oct 01 18:12:26 <PaulFertser> cz_jc: because GSM modem can want to suddenly consume a lot which can cause a power glitch.
Oct 01 18:12:30 <cz_jc> ok
Oct 01 18:12:34 <cz_jc> I'll try...
Oct 01 18:12:46 <cz_jc> I'll also force fast charge mode before I remove it..
Oct 01 18:17:16 <cz_jc> hah !
Oct 01 18:17:18 <PaulFertser> cz_jc: i've change sim myself several times that way (even connected to PC, not to the wallcharger).
Oct 01 18:17:26 <cz_jc> reducing brightness to 1% did the trick :)
Oct 01 18:17:31 <PaulFertser> cz_jc: and most of the time it worked.
Oct 01 18:20:37 <lindi-> is there something in ogsmd API that will let me detect when it has properly logged in to the network?
Oct 01 18:24:35 <trev_> I have developed a Java 6 SE Application for home-automation. Running it on the freerunner works (Debian Lenny + XServer + openjdk-6) but it is REALLY slow, especially the startup. So I wonder: a) is there a faster JavaSE-VM // b) will dropping Swing give a significant speed improvement (for example using swt instead) // c) is the only "proper" solution porting it to JavaME ?
Oct 01 18:26:25 <PaulFertser> trev_: sorry for joking but i guess most folks here would suggest to port it to Vala instead ;)
Oct 01 18:26:45 <leinir> ehrm... no ;)
Oct 01 18:26:57 <leinir> most people with sense would suggest porting it to Qt ;)
Oct 01 18:27:08 <SpeedEvil> I would suggest porting it to jsspeccy
Oct 01 18:27:20 <ndnihil> hardly, most people would use perl+gtk
Oct 01 18:27:30 <SpeedEvil> http://matt.west.co.tt/spectrum/jsspeccy/
Oct 01 18:27:46 <leinir> SpeedEvil: Or that, of course ;) Or, more likely, Wharglblarghl ;)
Oct 01 18:28:21 <SpeedEvil> Piet looks fun too.
Oct 01 18:28:48 <SpeedEvil> http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/piet/samples.html
Oct 01 18:28:59 <trev_> I won't learn C# just for porting ONE application.  
Oct 01 18:29:04 <SpeedEvil> more seriously - what hardware are you using?
Oct 01 18:29:20 <trev_> me?
Oct 01 18:29:26 <SpeedEvil> yes
Oct 01 18:31:13 <trev_> I am using usual wireless-electrical-sockets controlled by a custom made device which includes an ATMega8 uC. This uC is controlled by a thin-client running linux. The Freerunner runs a client-software which connects to the server and sends commands
Oct 01 18:31:27 <trev_> all done in java
Oct 01 18:31:40 <trev_> the communication between the custom made box and the server happens via SerialPort
Oct 01 18:32:03 <SpeedEvil> trev_: nortel semi based wireless?
Oct 01 18:32:07 <cz_jc> I think you can't access the modem in J2ME vm
Oct 01 18:32:25 <SpeedEvil> i mean nordic
Oct 01 18:32:38 <cz_jc> if you use j2me, youre basically monkey in a cage with almost no api in reach
Oct 01 18:33:03 <ndnihil> sounds like what I did with x10, except I had the serial port dongle and didn't need a microcontroller to translate
Oct 01 18:33:23 <ndnihil> big fan of AVR though
Oct 01 18:33:26 <trev_> I never heard of nordic semi based wireless. Thos are just some standard wireless-power-sockets from my local diy-market 
Oct 01 18:33:41 <trev_> +e
Oct 01 18:33:44 <SpeedEvil> trev_: Ah
Oct 01 18:33:59 <SpeedEvil> trev_: it's a little low-power simple to interface chip
Oct 01 18:34:19 <trev_> I kinda connected the ATMega8 to the remote control 
Oct 01 18:34:24 * SpeedEvil is contemplating the home-automation thing - though iusing 1-wire
Oct 01 18:34:35 <SpeedEvil> (dallas/maxim slow serial protocol)
Oct 01 18:35:04 <cz_jc> weird
Oct 01 18:35:21 <trev_> The point is that the software is so damn slow on the freerunner, especially at startup. And now you guys tell me that JavaME might not work because of the tiny API
Oct 01 18:35:28 <cz_jc> when I don't have battery in, modem in my FR won't power up
Oct 01 18:35:45 <trev_> so what about JavaFX?
Oct 01 18:35:47 <SpeedEvil> cz_jc: USB can't really supply the power needed
Oct 01 18:35:56 <cz_jc> SpeedEvil, 1A isn't enough ? ;P
Oct 01 18:36:06 <PaulFertser> cz_jc: of course, to power up it needs some current so your supply should have low enough ESR.
Oct 01 18:36:10 <cz_jc> SpeedEvil, you make calypso sound like a car starter XD
Oct 01 18:36:11 <SpeedEvil> cz_jc: just about
Oct 01 18:36:36 <SpeedEvil> cz_jc: It will want pulses of most of an amp - maybe a bit more - at battery volts.
Oct 01 18:36:46 <trev_> The Application itself isn't that slow I think. It's the startup.... it's the damn javaVM loading
Oct 01 18:37:04 <cz_jc> SpeedEvil, missing cappacitor as always ?
Oct 01 18:37:46 <SpeedEvil> cz_jc: capacitor that is not usually needed in the normal case, and hence can be sanely omitted
Oct 01 18:37:53 <cz_jc> ok this is weird now.. I inserted my SIM card some 20 times or so
Oct 01 18:38:01 <cz_jc> I get ERROR after AT+CPIN= line
Oct 01 18:38:02 <SpeedEvil> Also it may be a power converter issue, I'm not sure.
Oct 01 18:38:24 <cz_jc> SpeedEvil, it would smooth out the pulses, wouldn't it ?
Oct 01 18:38:37 <SpeedEvil> m/aybe.
Oct 01 18:38:55 <SpeedEvil> But it would end up needing to be a huge cap that is'n't needed if you put the battery in
Oct 01 18:41:25 <cz_jc> haha
Oct 01 18:41:37 <cz_jc> I inserted the sim for some 30th time and now it works XD
Oct 01 18:41:43 <cz_jc> god this thing is insert sensitive XD
Oct 01 18:43:43 <PaulFertser> cz_jc: tried cleaning the contacts?
Oct 01 18:44:10 <cz_jc> PaulFertser, yeah but only with some toluene, didn't want to risk anything
Oct 01 18:45:00 <cz_jc> aah no
Oct 01 18:45:02 <cz_jc> its ethanol XD
Oct 01 18:47:08 <PaulFertser> Don't confuse them next time when you'll be in search of something to drink ;)
Oct 01 18:47:40 <cz_jc> PaulFertser, you drink one of those ?
Oct 01 18:48:32 * cz_jc wonders what pure ethanol tastes like XD
Oct 01 18:48:50 <SpeedEvil> victory!
Oct 01 18:49:02 <PaulFertser> cz_jc: well, once my friend managed to smug some ethanol to a stupid open-air music fest. It was nice to consume it mixed with juice tbh.
Oct 01 18:49:33 <jaj> hi, I wonder, has anybody thought of making Hildon run on the freerunner?
Oct 01 18:49:52 <cz_jc> jaj, I have, when I was pissed at E
Oct 01 18:50:05 <cz_jc> but didn't get to compilling it since there is no ebuild for it yet in gentoo
Oct 01 18:50:20 <cz_jc> PaulFertser, haha nice
Oct 01 18:50:28 <cz_jc> PaulFertser, so its drinkable ? XD
Oct 01 18:50:52 <jaj> cz_jc: perhaps it would be easier on debian
Oct 01 18:51:04 <PaulFertser> cz_jc: vodka is 40% ethanol, 60% water. You bet it is.
Oct 01 18:51:05 <cz_jc> jaj, go ahead and try ;)
Oct 01 18:51:17 <cz_jc> PaulFertser, yeah but ethanol is 100% ethanol XD
Oct 01 18:51:28 <cz_jc> and some vodkas are too strong for me..
Oct 01 18:51:29 <PaulFertser> cz_jc: but only pure, uncontaminated ethanol, not some denaturated shit.
Oct 01 18:52:01 <PaulFertser> cz_jc: one is supposed to mix pure ethanol with at least water before drinking. Otherwise it's dangerous to try to consume.
Oct 01 18:52:18 <cz_jc> PaulFertser, thats what I was wondering about
Oct 01 18:52:24 <cz_jc> if you can drink it without water XD
Oct 01 18:52:32 <PaulFertser> Of course no.
Oct 01 18:52:37 <cz_jc> haha
Oct 01 18:52:39 <PaulFertser> cz_jc: i'm not that dumbass to try.
Oct 01 18:52:45 <cz_jc> me neither XD
Oct 01 18:52:49 <cz_jc> its good for cleaning stuff though
Oct 01 18:53:10 <PaulFertser> cz_jc: oh, btw, my fellow coworker did it several times by mistake and apparently small shot didn't hurt him.
Oct 01 18:53:39 <cz_jc> I wonder what 'THE alcohol' tastes like XD
Oct 01 18:53:49 <cz_jc> I'm tempted as hell
Oct 01 18:56:13 <cz_jc> aah just found the label
Oct 01 18:56:20 <cz_jc> its denaturated synthetic ethanol for cleaning
Oct 01 18:56:31 <cz_jc> 'with isopropyl and butanol'
Oct 01 18:56:34 <PaulFertser> BTW, i wrote a post to STM32 Primer forums asking for reasons of integrating a proprietary programmer inside those cool toys but didn't receive any reply :-/ I hoped my question was clear enough :-/ http://www.stm32circle.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=866
Oct 01 18:56:47 <cz_jc> sounds not so tasty XD
Oct 01 18:58:04 <cz_jc> PaulFertser, non standard OSes ?
Oct 01 18:58:45 <PaulFertser> cz_jc: yes, that shit works only on windows xp/vista/7
Oct 01 18:59:10 <cz_jc> PaulFertser, then you probably should have said 'on windows'.. I wouldn't consider windows exactly non-standard
Oct 01 18:59:29 <cz_jc> unfortunately, that is :]
Oct 01 18:59:35 <PaulFertser> cz_jc: well, windows doesn't obey any standard for OSes. I can't see how can one call it being standard.
Oct 01 18:59:52 <cz_jc> maybe say non-posix or say a specific standard
Oct 01 18:59:59 <cz_jc> they have their own standards
Oct 01 19:00:11 <PaulFertser> cz_jc: i'm not aware of any other standards for OSes tbh.
Oct 01 19:00:28 <cz_jc> I'm not either atm. but nothing says posix is 'THE' standard
Oct 01 19:00:45 <PaulFertser> cz_jc: the name says for itself
Oct 01 19:00:58 <PaulFertser> And there're no other known standands.
Oct 01 19:01:22 <cz_jc> another factor here is psychology
Oct 01 19:01:40 <cz_jc> there are those windoze dudes that think they did an open thing everyone can use with cool programmer
Oct 01 19:02:05 <cz_jc> and here comes this linux guy telling their thing is closed and proprietary, they probably won't understand
Oct 01 19:02:12 <PaulFertser> cz_jc: with 32k debugging limitation? I find it highly offensive. Probably i'd even want to punch the guy who did that in the face.
Oct 01 19:02:18 <cz_jc> I wouldn't be so confronting if I wanted something to be actually done
Oct 01 19:03:32 <PaulFertser> cz_jc: trust me, it took me quite some patience to refrain from all the swear words i know while writing that post. I did my best ;)
Oct 01 19:03:52 <cz_jc> PaulFertser, haha I bet you did
Oct 01 19:04:32 <cz_jc> PaulFertser, I know you russians, you have your pride ;) but you have to be neutral sometimes if you want something done, unfortunately
Oct 01 19:05:09 <cz_jc> I'd say something like: 'hello can I program that thing on linux?' or something
Oct 01 19:05:38 <cz_jc> that would make THEM look like they're restricting you and make you look like poor user who bought their thing and didn't have luck making it work as opposed to meddling linux guy
Oct 01 19:06:30 <PaulFertser> cz_jc: there's already a topic for that (quite entertaining actually): http://www.stm32circle.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=23
Oct 01 19:06:51 <PaulFertser> Watch the id ;)
Oct 01 19:07:07 <cz_jc> PaulFertser, you see, he/she got a reply ;)
Oct 01 19:07:16 <cz_jc> and attemptive helpful at that
Oct 01 19:07:35 <cz_jc> and it did make them look like they're bastards not supporting linux and may eventually do something about it
Oct 01 19:07:40 <PaulFertser> cz_jc: read the whole topic. And that reply wasn't from officials anyway.
Oct 01 19:08:09 <cz_jc> PaulFertser, acknowledgment from site admin is something I'd call a little win
Oct 01 19:08:11 <PaulFertser> Nothing useful in that thread from officials.
Oct 01 19:08:41 <PaulFertser> cz_jc: i really recommend you to read the ML post about history of reversing the thing i linked to in the last post.
Oct 01 19:08:45 <cz_jc> yeeey my telephony finally works again on my FR
Oct 01 19:08:59 <cz_jc> *lot* of ethanol on my sim, sd card and both slots eventually helped ^^
Oct 01 19:09:40 <cz_jc> PaulFertser, I will once I finish playing with my FR ^^
Oct 01 19:09:59 * cz_jc is very happy right now to read corporate BS XD
Oct 01 19:21:20 <cz_jc> btw. because of replacedefaultroute being passed to pppd, gprs in FSO doesn't work in gentoo
Oct 01 19:21:50 <cz_jc> just erasing that line from a python-array-equivalent in some file in /usr/lib makes it work
Oct 01 19:45:31 <trev_> Since the last koolu beta a lot of time has passed. Did the development stop and are they not interested in porting android to the freerunner anymore? With the latest koolu beta the gsm stopped working for me and there are still many bugs left
Oct 01 19:56:19 <PaulFertser> trev_: koolu seems to have abandoned A on FR but i guess there's no official statement. They are just silent on all the forums and such.
Oct 01 20:02:37 <PBeck> koolu no longer working on migration android to freerunner
Oct 01 20:02:49 <PBeck> *migrating
Oct 01 20:03:15 <PBeck> http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/
Oct 01 20:03:21 <PBeck> it's now community driven
Oct 01 20:04:21 <SpeedEvil> :/
Oct 01 20:06:29 <PBeck> all openmoko projects are community driven
Oct 01 20:06:38 <PBeck> openmoko is dead *duck*
Oct 01 20:06:51 <SpeedEvil> It's just resting.
Oct 01 20:07:03 <PBeck> of course :P
Oct 01 20:07:21 <PBeck> SpeedEvil: the offline wikipedia reader will be a amazing device :>
Oct 01 20:07:42 <trev_> yeah in combination with a proper external HD ;p
Oct 01 20:07:45 <SpeedEvil> I am actually starting to code the webproxy
Oct 01 20:07:46 <PBeck> unprecedented :D
Oct 01 20:08:01 <PBeck> SpeedEvil: for what?
Oct 01 20:08:40 <SpeedEvil> To obtain a severalfold reduction over the state of the art in open-source compressing web proxies.
Oct 01 20:09:10 <trev_> I still want a proper FTP-Server as opkg for my FR
Oct 01 20:09:34 <PBeck> SpeedEvil: and why is that important for openmoko as company?
Oct 01 20:10:02 <SpeedEvil> PBeck: It's not. - other than as part of an alternate world.
Oct 01 20:10:56 <PBeck> SpeedEvil: ok. We hope that openmoko will have a success 
Oct 01 20:11:15 <PBeck> SpeedEvil: but i think they havent one :(
Oct 01 20:14:16 <SpeedEvil> The way they attempted to go about making a new phone needed I think at least another order of magnitude of money
Oct 01 20:17:15 <Slaxxer> donations accepted
Oct 01 20:19:33 <PBeck> SpeedEvil: but before they have to build good hard and software
Oct 01 20:20:00 <PBeck> the freerunner is nice but not great hardware and the software isn't it too
Oct 01 20:20:22 <SpeedEvil> I personally don't see what would have been greatly wrong with a slightly bugfixed gta01 in xmas 2007 running a bugfixed 2007.3
Oct 01 20:20:29 <SpeedEvil> but...
Oct 01 23:48:38 <DocMobilizer> GPRS, IRC (as u see ;-P ) always on (no autodim): 86% batcharge, 7:56 remaining
Oct 01 23:51:59 <fgau> 8 hours?
Oct 01 23:52:25 <DocMobilizer> yup, easily
Oct 01 23:53:07 <fgau> is jekofft!
Oct 01 23:54:09 <fgau> which kernel/rootfs do you use?
Oct 01 23:56:27 <DocMobilizer> shr-u88
Oct 01 23:58:10 <DocMobilizer> 84% 8:47 :-P
Oct 01 23:59:08 <fgau> muaah
Oct 02 00:00:28 <DocMobilizer> backlite @37%
Oct 02 00:00:48 <DocMobilizer> its night here :-D
Oct 02 00:01:06 <SpeedEvil> neat
Oct 02 00:01:25 <fgau> epydial works with 60% per default
Oct 02 00:01:28 * SpeedEvil sighs at the potential of the hardware.
Oct 02 00:02:42 <DocMobilizer> don't post that much! got me down to 3:58 XD
Oct 02 00:03:08 <DocMobilizer> for a second
Oct 02 00:03:33 <DocMobilizer> back to 8:17
Oct 02 00:04:13 <thegreen4me> is there a way to get the debian repository on shr?
Oct 02 00:04:26 * DocMobilizer takes voice from *
Oct 02 00:05:05 <DocMobilizer> hmpmpffmpff
Oct 02 00:05:34 * DocMobilizer gives voice to *
Oct 02 00:06:09 <fgau> DocMobilizer: do you live in a high frequency area? ;)
Oct 02 00:08:25 <DocMobilizer> he guys, my record on IRC standby (2 chan) per bat was >14h. With ultrafast suspend after each post, and during low traffic time
Oct 02 00:09:47 <SpeedEvil> how rapid suspend?
Oct 02 00:09:54 <SpeedEvil> you mean it's suspending inter-packet?
Oct 02 00:10:04 <SpeedEvil> and waking on gprs?
Oct 02 00:10:18 <DocMobilizer> and that was even with full backlite for each 3sec resume iirc
Oct 02 00:10:37 <DocMobilizer> SpeedEvil: sure
Oct 02 00:11:04 <DocMobilizer> :-))
Oct 02 00:13:02 <DocMobilizer> 8:35
Oct 02 00:15:42 <DocMobilizer> SpeedEvil: what were you exprcting? that's exactly the way it is designed to work
Oct 02 00:22:29 <DocMobilizer> SpeedEvil: now if I *somehow* could filter all these annoying join/leave msgs *serverside* this was almost a decent performance then
Oct 02 00:22:45 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: I hadn't seen it working
Oct 02 00:22:48 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: also pings
Oct 02 00:23:18 <DocMobilizer> no pings on gprs here
Oct 02 00:25:50 <SpeedEvil> I mean IRC PINGs 
Oct 02 00:25:53 <SpeedEvil> from the server
Oct 02 00:29:03 <DocMobilizer> SpeedEvil: actually i stop xchat it stays suspended all the time
Oct 02 00:29:50 <DocMobilizer> yeah irc naggadinagg
Oct 02 01:17:55 <DocMobilizer> ok, down to 65%
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