**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 03 02:59:57 2009 Oct 03 04:31:43 Does any one else make android other then Koolu for Neo FreeRunner Oct 03 05:17:39 is there a stand for the freerunner? Oct 03 05:18:40 or some type of dock? Oct 03 05:27:21 i have a stang i salvaged from somewhere Oct 03 05:27:26 here's a quick sketch i just made to show what i was thinking of: http://imagebin.ca/img/nD1g6Wi.png Oct 03 05:27:44 something that brings it eye level while i have my usb keyboard attached to it Oct 03 05:28:01 more like a CLAW Oct 03 05:28:41 it could also be a docking station if you made appropriate adjustments, use your imagination :) Oct 03 05:28:51 opkg upgrading Oct 03 05:29:16 hopefully Oct 03 05:41:19 Slaxxer: opkg? Oct 03 09:05:01 hi um is shr ok for use atm Oct 03 09:05:03 like the latest ... Oct 03 09:08:32 hi Oct 03 10:09:15 hi there Oct 03 10:09:39 can i plug fr to the usb, so it can charge while i flash the modem firmware with the uSD? Oct 03 10:10:10 zear: why not? Oct 03 10:10:17 lindi-, just wanted to be sure Oct 03 10:10:27 i mean. during the process Oct 03 10:10:31 it's flashing right now Oct 03 10:23:43 PaulFertser, hi there. I've reflashed my modem software to moko11, and i still can't make * calls Oct 03 10:23:58 still getting the GSM.SIM.NotReady Oct 03 11:04:25 zear: moko11 (as any new modem fw) is not supposed to change sim.notready issue Oct 03 11:05:29 zear: only known sim issue which can be fixed with update of FW is the "3G"-simcard not working thing Oct 03 11:05:29 DocScrutinizer-8, i was told to flash the firmware to the newest version before asking of this problem Oct 03 11:05:48 that's been a good advice anyway Oct 03 11:05:50 so yeah, now i have it in the current version, and would like to know if there is a fix for my problem ;) Oct 03 11:06:26 yeah, the firmware i had before was in version moko8 ;) Oct 03 11:06:36 probably an issue with your sim and provider. Did you try with other phone to use the sim? Oct 03 11:06:46 yes Oct 03 11:06:59 different sims and distros on freerunner Oct 03 11:07:02 which distro and version? Oct 03 11:07:30 don't remember the details, but it was SHR testing and something else Oct 03 11:07:35 that debian thingy Oct 03 11:07:53 uhh, testing is bitrotten to dust Oct 03 11:07:54 i can call * numbers with that sim from other phones Oct 03 11:08:46 though that's not a reason for your problem afaik, nevertheless I recommend to try 0808 version of shr-u, as listed in #chan topic Oct 03 11:09:10 i have the current one, dunno what version it is Oct 03 11:09:25 actually, the lack of * numbers support in my fr kills the whole idea of using fr as a phone Oct 03 11:09:50 please make sure you're using image as of 0808 (or 0906) Oct 03 11:09:54 as i need to call * numbers to recharge my prepaid account, or to get information about my account stats Oct 03 11:10:25 DocScrutinizer-8, can i somehow find it out on the freerunner? as i don't have the images anymore Oct 03 11:10:47 err, please elaborate on your problem. I think I don't get the whole picture Oct 03 11:11:22 DocScrutinizer-8, you mean the one with being unable to call * starting numbers? Oct 03 11:11:37 what's "* numbers"? can you call other numbers? Oct 03 11:11:49 can you accept inbound calls? Oct 03 11:11:53 i mean numbers that look like that: *101# Oct 03 11:12:02 i can call all the standard numbers Oct 03 11:12:07 and recieve texts Oct 03 11:12:22 but i can't call any special numbers that start with * Oct 03 11:12:28 zear: so update to 0808 please Oct 03 11:12:59 this is an issue that's been fixed long ago in shr-u Oct 03 11:13:23 well, i have the newest version of shr-unstable Oct 03 11:13:30 from two days ago Oct 03 11:13:42 i mean, i flashed it two days ago, but it's a version from september Oct 03 11:13:48 there's no image of 2 days ago Oct 03 11:14:06 hmm, dunno then Oct 03 11:14:11 here it works Oct 03 11:14:15 besides, i can't call that numbers even by directly passing them with AT commands Oct 03 11:15:34 ok, it's shr-full-glibc-ipk--20090906-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 i have Oct 03 11:16:26 shr-U as of 0808 (with some older upgrades but that doesn't matter here): calling "*101#" on german O2 loop prepaid gives me correct answer (screnn pops up saying "your account: xy.zz€" Oct 03 11:17:11 well, for me on two polish networks, "era" and "play" simply returns to the dialer app Oct 03 11:20:29 please try "*31# Oct 03 11:21:12 you mean any normal number so i can call someone? Oct 03 11:21:31 yep Oct 03 11:22:08 the above sequence should dial that number but suppress your own number-signaling (CLIR) Oct 03 11:22:35 it makes a valid call Oct 03 11:22:53 so the issue is with your provider it seems Oct 03 11:23:21 but *101# works fine with that card on other phones Oct 03 11:23:43 hmm Oct 03 11:23:47 besides, it's not the first sim card that prevents me from calling *101# on freerunner Oct 03 11:23:58 try "*#61#" Oct 03 11:24:14 what will that do? Oct 03 11:24:24 it should reply an empty "data:" Oct 03 11:24:36 which is a bug but anyway Oct 03 11:25:08 i can hear in my speakers it tries to contact the network, but nothing happenes Oct 03 11:25:24 strange Oct 03 11:26:07 should i launch mickeyterm and see what it returns when i call *101# ? Oct 03 11:26:42 zear: that's no issue of modem firmware. It *might* be a problem of FSO framework. We need mickey for that. He'll be back on Monday Oct 03 11:27:21 DocScrutinizer-8, but i remember i was getting an "ERROR" respond then i was trying to call this number via mickeyterm Oct 03 11:27:51 zear: please join #openmoko-cdevel and rise the issue there Oct 03 11:28:11 DocScrutinizer-8, ok, will dod that Oct 03 11:28:52 zear: preferrably on Monday when Mickeyl is back (and online) ;-) Oct 03 11:31:09 zear: you could pastebin a copy of a mickeyterm session where you do a ATD*101# though. I might have a short look at it Oct 03 11:32:18 zear: please include a "ATD" which should show a "BUSY" as result Oct 03 11:38:44 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r2637a41756b6 10/fsogsmd/src/ (10 files in 2 dirs): fsogsmd: implement org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.{Get|Set}SimBuffersSms() Oct 03 11:38:45 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r2aed1bd88603 10/fsogsmd/src/ (4 files in 3 dirs): fsogsmd: modem: channelForCommand is abstract hence MUST be implemented by the modem plugin Oct 03 11:38:48 zear: here ATD*101# works Oct 03 11:38:53 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07phonesim * r4b555cb99b10 10/modems/generic.xml: generic.xml: properly implement +CNMI Oct 03 11:39:33 zear: ATD*234# gives "ERROR" (as it's a non-supported code) Oct 03 12:00:29 for some time now my openmoko doesn't emit a sound anymore when ringing Oct 03 12:00:38 runnig shr-unstable, is this a know problem? Oct 03 12:04:10 jaj: opkg remove -force-depends speech-dispatcher? Oct 03 12:06:33 hmm yeah indeed that might be it :) Oct 03 12:07:25 !logs Oct 03 12:07:26 Channel logs for #openmoko are archived at: Oct 03 12:07:27 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23openmoko Oct 03 12:07:28 Live-logs are available at Oct 03 12:07:30 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23openmoko.livelog Oct 03 12:07:32 See ?? help-logs for usage instructions Oct 03 12:07:49 grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr for speech-dispatcher Oct 03 12:12:11 CoreDump: what about an ultracool patch to cdbot, to listen for "~logs" (sic) and make that an "alias" of "sleep 5; !logs" ;-D Oct 03 12:13:44 the problem is that ~ usually interferes with apt, ibot and friends =) Oct 03 12:13:55 yep Oct 03 12:14:20 that's why I suggested to specifically grep for "~logs" Oct 03 12:15:22 CoreDump: and give apt a "sleep 5" to finish his thing first Oct 03 12:16:19 ibot is listening to ~logs as well, so the shortcut would need to be manually enabled for any channel ibot / apt is not in. Oct 03 12:17:08 CoreDump: I have no idea how cdbot could care about whether there is apt or not. Oct 03 12:17:30 I've I ever get sufficiently bored, I shall have a look =) Oct 03 12:18:01 but yes it's kinda hackish and not compatible to each channels setup for cdbot Oct 03 12:18:12 exactly Oct 03 12:19:00 as ibot/apt *might* use different shortcut than "~" Oct 03 12:20:12 so if cdbot is only bot on a channel and already listens to "~" it would be kinda annoying to also listen to "~logs" and do same thing twice Oct 03 12:20:44 right. Highly annoying. I speak from experience =) Oct 03 12:20:59 in channels with apt listening to e.g. % it would fail Oct 03 12:22:08 though timriker told me apt always is configured to listen to ~ Oct 03 12:23:46 CoreDump: would you mind to add cdbot to #openmoko-cdevel? Oct 03 12:24:28 not at all. Let me see if I have one more spare channel. Freenode does not allow cdbot to join more than 20 heh Oct 03 12:24:46 we already got nslu logs there, but anyway Oct 03 12:24:57 duh Oct 03 12:30:51 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r896563e12805 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Oct 03 12:30:51 freesmartphone.org: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device: Add new API org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.SetFunctionality( s:level ) -> () Oct 03 12:30:51 freesmartphone.org: NOTE: This deprecates org.freesmartphone.GSM.SetAntennaPower! Oct 03 12:31:21 let me know when there are any problems in -cdevel. The channel is pretty much off my radar usually ;) Oct 03 12:34:29 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libfso-glib * rae45e89e5f35 10/src/ (3 files): regenerate Oct 03 12:42:28 zear: i'm sorry that reflashing to the newest version didn't help but otoh i'm sure nobody should be using old versions unless there's _very_ good reason to do so. Oct 03 12:43:08 zear: and i've to admit that your issues looks extremely weird, it's like "it just can't be like that". Oct 03 13:02:45 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r44a757f3ca90 10/fsogsmd/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Oct 03 13:02:45 freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: prepare for org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.{Get|Set}Functionality Oct 03 13:02:46 freesmartphone.org: NOTE: Need to integrate fsogsmd with resource system before we can implement this Oct 03 13:09:09 PaulFertser: yep. I'm still waiting for the mickeyterm "log" Oct 03 13:09:52 sounds like "pebkac" Oct 03 13:10:31 wrong "number" or sth. Or maybe simply provider does not support the function anymore Oct 03 13:22:58 hi Oct 03 13:25:44 how do I restore the NAND mtdparts to factory-state? Oct 03 16:43:11 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r89df0861123f 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (4 files): opimd: SQLite-*: use FLOAT type in database for Timestamps and Duration fields Oct 03 16:45:46 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r1a30891d8ea4 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/docs/TODO: opimd: update TODO Oct 03 16:46:39 hallo i crosscompiled kernel for openmoko, everything worked, but in the tar.gz for modules i cant find ar6000 for wireless ( i used andy-tracking ), can anybody explain me how is it that i missed those drivers? Oct 03 16:48:22 the kernel runs correctly ( i even patched cpufreq against it), targzed alla modules -C /, but on /lib/modules/`uname -r` i find no trace of ar6000.ko Oct 03 16:48:32 do any of u had experience with it? Oct 03 16:50:23 Guest80031: maybe you have it built into kernel? Oct 03 16:51:37 ok tnx Oct 03 16:51:39 you were right Oct 03 16:51:46 being blind today Oct 03 16:59:28 mhm, ok just another question, how is it that my kernel is bigger then 2 mb (having modules in it.. ok).. but how can i manage to create a smaller kernel? Oct 03 17:06:01 openmoko: 03rehar * r5666 10/trunk/gta02-core/modules/ (INFO STATUS fa2012.fpd mkloe): added FA2012 footprint Oct 03 17:11:51 gps seems not to work Oct 03 17:12:02 does it relay on some modules? Oct 03 17:13:57 even after echo 1 > Oct 03 17:14:48 i get absolutly no device for gps Oct 03 17:15:47 what hardware? Oct 03 17:15:51 oh - nvm Oct 03 17:16:09 the GPS is on /dev/ttySAC1 I think - it's a nomrla serial port Oct 03 17:16:15 yeah Oct 03 17:16:18 is not there Oct 03 17:16:49 you mean you have no serail devices? Oct 03 17:16:55 So GSM doesn't work ither? Oct 03 17:17:10 nope Oct 03 17:17:23 well - you need to load a serial module Oct 03 17:17:34 or build it in Oct 03 17:17:44 which is Oct 03 17:17:56 dunno Oct 03 17:18:15 i just build andy-tracking Oct 03 17:18:24 so i guess, something is going wrong with this kernel Oct 03 17:18:40 If there are modules built, then instlal them all Oct 03 17:20:49 can you give me a lsmod Oct 03 17:20:52 on yours ? Oct 03 17:22:14 not got FT Oct 03 17:22:15 FR Oct 03 17:22:29 and the neo1973 I does have ahas it as a builtin I think Oct 03 17:22:40 go through menuconfig and look for things that say serial Oct 03 18:13:00 how to put neo on suspend mode from ssh Oct 03 18:16:00 DocScrutinizer, PaulFertser.. sorry for such a late respond, but anyway, i've launched the ATD*101# command via mickeyterm and i got a valid respond Oct 03 18:16:32 before i was using a different command in mickeyterm, that's probably why I didn't succeed Oct 03 18:16:39 zear: ATD? ussd are supposed to work with other command, yes. Oct 03 18:18:03 nah USSD work with ATD just fine Oct 03 18:18:06 i still can't call that number from the gui however Oct 03 18:18:39 here it works Oct 03 18:18:47 zear: that's because GUI uses framework and it uses that dedicated command. Oct 03 18:19:09 nope it doesn't, on three digit commands Oct 03 18:19:29 oh well, if I can call that number via mickeyterm, it's all i need ;) Oct 03 18:19:44 just a question, how can i do that via bash script? Oct 03 18:19:50 i'd like to have a simple command for that Oct 03 18:19:57 DocScrutinizer: at least Zhone did ussd for anything that started with * iirc. Oct 03 18:20:19 btw it also doesn't work on two digit commands, otherwise the result on dialing *#61# was "Disabled" and not an empty screen Oct 03 18:21:41 PaulFertser: USSD is the response handling, for actual cmd fso needs to find the command in a list and select the corresponding dedicated AT-cmd instead of ATD Oct 03 18:22:04 there is no USSD specs for 3-digit Oct 03 18:22:53 and obviously fso doesn't know aout the "*#xx#" ones (the query cmds) Oct 03 18:23:42 anyway with SHR-U88 dialing *101# works here, from mickeyterm as well as from dialer Oct 03 18:24:31 DocScrutinizer: FSO always uses +CUSD=1,"%s",15 to send ussd. Oct 03 18:24:34 and as long as I don't see the mickeyterm ATD result, I won't bother anymore as it's useless guess effort Oct 03 18:25:00 oh well, whatever Oct 03 18:25:01 PaulFertser, that's the command that results in ERROR for me Oct 03 18:25:22 zear: i understand. Let me tell you the cli method to do ATD Oct 03 18:25:30 no wonder, it's invalid for 3digit numbers Oct 03 18:25:55 wtf?! it WORKS here Oct 03 18:26:05 nah, bye Oct 03 18:28:55 zear: dbus-send --type=method_call --print-reply --system --dest=org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Call org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call '*102#' voice Oct 03 18:29:35 PaulFertser, thanks Oct 03 18:29:40 zear: does it work? Oct 03 18:29:44 and thank you all guys for finding the solution Oct 03 18:29:52 haven't checked yet, just assumed it does ;D Oct 03 18:30:27 PaulFertser, ah, nope Oct 03 18:30:33 bus-send: Data item "*101#" is badly formed Oct 03 18:34:37 zear: i've got the same problem here Oct 03 18:35:51 h4v, ah, so i'm not alone. That's good, maybe a fix can be produced if there is more of us :D Oct 03 18:36:12 zear: "string(*101#)"? Oct 03 18:36:24 zear: oh sorry Oct 03 18:36:28 zear: dbus-send, of course Oct 03 18:37:02 zear: "string:*101#" Oct 03 18:48:47 PaulFertser, you mean org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call 'string:*101' voice Oct 03 18:50:02 openmoko: 03rehar * r5667 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (8 files): added footprint names to components Oct 03 18:54:50 zear: yes, if you intend to call *101 Oct 03 18:55:10 that returns dbus-send: Data item "voice" is badly formed Oct 03 18:55:37 org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call 'string:*101' 'sring:voice' ? Oct 03 18:55:37 should i remove the voice parameter? Oct 03 18:56:50 Kagee, nah, that just leads to another error Oct 03 18:56:50 Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "Call" with signature "ss" on interface "org.freesmartphone.GSM" doesn't exist Oct 03 18:57:01 zear: yes string:voice Oct 03 18:57:55 PaulFertser, http://pastebin.com/m5d3ea214 Oct 03 18:58:09 zear: dbus-send --type=method_call --print-reply --system --dest=org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.Initiate 'string:*102#' string:voice Oct 03 18:58:54 PaulFertser, ok, that does something Oct 03 18:59:40 the command is being executed and returns to the console, while i can hear via the speakers some data is being send Oct 03 18:59:58 but nothing is being returned either on the TTY, or in the gui Oct 03 19:00:46 http://pastebin.com/m4f2eba19 Oct 03 19:00:51 zear: i'm not sure it's supposed to be. Because you're using non-ussd method for ussd. Oct 03 19:01:00 :P Oct 03 19:20:46 I'd like to thank you guys for your help somehow Oct 03 19:20:51 so have this little game i ported: http://91.192.165.7:8002/powder111_fr.tar.bz2 Oct 03 19:27:37 zear: please don't recommend non-free software here :( Oct 03 19:28:04 lindi-, hey, it's free Oct 03 19:28:08 wI have no problem as long as it's stated to be non-free Oct 03 19:28:10 the source is open Oct 03 19:28:13 it's just not GPL Oct 03 19:28:36 zear: it says 'Do not modify the POWDER binary nor accompanying files.' Oct 03 19:28:47 i didn't modify them in a bit Oct 03 19:28:51 i just recompiled them ;) Oct 03 19:29:19 zear: can I modify powder binary? Oct 03 19:29:37 lindi-, the author encourages people to port his game to new platforms Oct 03 19:29:46 zear: that did not answer my question Oct 03 19:29:56 lindi-, i'd say read the license Oct 03 19:30:06 zear: i did Oct 03 19:30:11 zear: it looks non-free to me Oct 03 19:30:49 lindi-, i've played it on so many platforms so i can say the author has nothing against about using his code Oct 03 19:31:02 zear: that does not help if he is not giving the permission in writing Oct 03 19:32:22 lindi-, oh right, i almost forgot, the code is on Creative Commons Sampling Plus license Oct 03 19:32:31 zear: how could I know that? ;) Oct 03 19:32:53 not my problem, he should have put it in the readme Oct 03 19:33:14 http://www.zincland.com/powder/index.php?pagename=release here's where you can get the code and find out about the license Oct 03 19:33:14 zear: where can I get the source? Oct 03 19:33:17 ;D Oct 03 19:33:56 now I need to figure out if that CC license is free Oct 03 19:35:30 just look at the changelog, there are so many contriburors and ports, that this game must be Stallman-friendly ;) Oct 03 19:35:54 zear: the COPYING says "1) This is *NOT* an Open Source license. This code is not "free"." Oct 03 19:36:12 and where does it say "You can't port it to a new platform"? Oct 03 19:36:38 zear: where does it say that I can modify it? Oct 03 19:37:06 oh c'mon, why don't you start enjoy playing this game instead? :D Oct 03 19:37:10 zear: eh? Oct 03 19:37:21 zear: you are trying to trick me into running non-free software? Oct 03 19:37:41 lindi-, i can send a mail to the author and ask him for the permission, if thay'll make you feel better ;) Oct 03 19:37:54 zear: well the author itself says that it is not free Oct 03 19:37:57 zear: so why bother? Oct 03 19:38:07 because it's a nice game? Oct 03 19:38:11 zear: the author should should change license to one of the "free software", otherwise it's disappointing. Oct 03 19:38:13 zear: it's a non-free game Oct 03 19:38:13 and runs on your favoutite phone? Oct 03 19:38:37 zear: do you understand that freedom matters more than "nice games" to some people? Oct 03 19:38:41 oh like freerunner is all open-source Oct 03 19:38:53 http://triplane-class.sf.net is a nice game that we liberated and ported (GPLv3+) Oct 03 19:38:54 zear: except the firmware Oct 03 19:39:04 yeah, that's what i'm talking about ;) Oct 03 19:39:11 and lack of 3d chip support Oct 03 19:39:22 zear: why did you say that the game is free? Oct 03 19:39:45 i agree with you that opensource is the best solution, but it's his game and he can license it however he wants Oct 03 19:40:02 because this game is free, he doesn't charge you for it Oct 03 19:40:36 zear: so you have a different definition for free software? how can you be on this IRC network? Oct 03 19:41:03 according go CC sampling plus 1.0 license: "You are free to perform, display, and distribute copies of this whole work for noncommercial purposes (e.g., file-sharing or noncommercial webcasting)." Oct 03 19:41:22 lindi-, no, i love GPL as much as you guys Oct 03 19:41:55 just if the code is licensed under the CC+1.0, it means it is free to some extent Oct 03 19:42:12 zear: according to COPYING the code is not "free" or "open source" Oct 03 19:42:40 so why is it released on CC+ license? Oct 03 19:42:50 zear: there are multiple licenses Oct 03 19:42:58 zear: I haven't yet even analyzed them all Oct 03 19:43:04 and that means i can choose the one i like, right? Oct 03 19:43:23 zear: no, different licenses have been granted to different parts of it Oct 03 19:43:52 ok, i'll send a mail to the author, asking him if we're allowed to run this game on fr Oct 03 19:43:56 zear: but if the author says that it is "not an open source license" I don't think I bother to review it Oct 03 19:44:12 zear: running is only freedom 0 Oct 03 19:44:23 zear: i want freedoms 1, 2 and 3 too Oct 03 19:44:32 I want freedom 7! Oct 03 19:44:39 lindi-, maybe you should read the last section of the LICENSE.TXT ;) Oct 03 19:45:17 zear: it just makes things even more unclear Oct 03 19:45:25 :P Oct 03 19:46:15 oh well, i can port another game if you don't like this one :P Oct 03 19:46:38 zear: i might like the game, I just want to be able to share and change the software I use :) Oct 03 19:47:29 lindi-, i've been observing this project for a longer time and i know that the author encourages people to modify the code, and port it to new platforms Oct 03 19:47:42 just look at the changelog, there are many contributors Oct 03 19:47:46 zear: he should express that in writing Oct 03 19:47:50 or she Oct 03 19:47:52 lindi-, i agree Oct 03 19:48:55 zear: if you really think so please ask him to pick an already existing license Oct 03 19:49:18 zear: MIT, LGPL, GPL, Apache -- something Oct 03 19:49:26 lindi-, i'll mail him, as i plan to release this port as .ipk and maybe upload it on opkg.org or something Oct 03 19:49:53 lindi-, if you have nothing against, i might include this conversation in the mail, what you think? Oct 03 19:49:54 zear: having a custom license is very suspicious Oct 03 19:49:58 zear: sure Oct 03 19:50:11 zear: include my email address too. timo.lindfors@iki.fi Oct 03 19:50:16 hehe, ok Oct 03 19:51:13 lindi-, but so far, please, if you have time, check this game out and report any problems Oct 03 19:51:39 so far it looks 100% playable on the touchscreen, but i haven't really tested it yet Oct 03 19:52:01 zear: thanks but no thanks, i don't want to run non-free stuff :( Oct 03 19:52:11 lindi-, :P Oct 03 19:57:17 lindi-: btw, i think that emergency shutdown is done by hardware in some pcf50633 versions but i'm not sure what gta versions used that. Oct 03 20:13:02 hmm Oct 03 20:13:45 * DocScrutinizer-8 tries to grep for emergency shutdown Oct 03 20:18:22 openmoko: 03rehar * r5668 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (cpu-power.sch cpu.sch modem.sch sd-sim.sch wlan.sch): added more footprint names to components Oct 03 20:28:38 DocScrutinizer-8: probably it was a feature of pcf50606 even Oct 03 20:28:47 DocScrutinizer-8: i mean you hold pwr for some time and it shuts off. Oct 03 20:29:14 hard shutdown after 8sec is a hw-feature afaik Oct 03 20:30:10 MAYbe I recall incorrect and it's a feature of 50606 only, but I can't believe that Oct 03 20:33:48 actually I seem to remember it a kind of watchdog which you can stop by actively writing to some register, otherwise it will shutdown hard after 8sec Oct 03 20:34:26 also iirc: you need to setup tha "watchdog" Oct 03 20:35:11 DocScrutinizer-8: i know that in the latest kernel it's implemented as a pure software feature. Oct 03 20:35:51 yep, "pressed for 1 sec" "...2 sec" ... Oct 03 20:36:04 dunno why Oct 03 20:38:28 DocScrutinizer-8: hardware feature of pcf50633 is described at page 20 Oct 03 20:38:40 though that printk (if it even is) doesn't proove that's the kernel which does actual shutdown Oct 03 20:39:17 PaulFertser: you know how to lure me in ;-) Oct 03 20:40:58 if onkey_mode control bits configured accordingly; see Table 12). Oct 03 20:41:26 8 seconds, the PCF50633 enters Standby mode if no action is taken by the host controller Oct 03 20:41:29 :-) Oct 03 20:41:33 DocScrutinizer: sure but i'm still puzzled why that 8 sec software thing was introduced. Oct 03 20:41:44 I love it when I was right :-P Oct 03 20:42:10 PaulFertser: no idea. Where do you cnclude from it's a software thing? Oct 03 20:42:15 DocScrutinizer, if the GSM is on and you switch off the divice, maybe you must all the gsm_dev_off function? Oct 03 20:42:16 DocScrutinizer: hehe Oct 03 20:42:37 panicking: for gta01 yes. for 02 no Oct 03 20:42:38 panicking: hm, seems to be right but not applicable to gta02 Oct 03 20:42:42 :D Oct 03 20:43:28 DocScrutinizer, but yesterday some boy sead that is direct connect to the battery Oct 03 20:43:36 and it's switch off using a gpio Oct 03 20:43:39 panicking: on gta01 it is Oct 03 20:43:48 panicking: on gta02 only RF part is directly connected. Oct 03 20:43:58 ok thanks PaulFertser Oct 03 20:44:07 panicking: I don't care what some boys say about "my" schametics ;-P Oct 03 20:44:24 DocScrutinizer: + /* Some revisions of the chip don't have a 8s standby mode on Oct 03 20:44:28 + * ONKEY1S press. We try to manually do it in such cases. */ Oct 03 20:44:32 (from the sources) Oct 03 20:44:44 By Balaji Oct 03 20:45:01 bah, what's THAT??? Oct 03 20:45:29 I wonder where balaj got that info from?? o.O Oct 03 20:45:52 Please ignore everything I say Oct 03 20:45:58 At all times. Oct 03 20:46:07 huh? Oct 03 20:46:14 * SpeedEvil was thinking of gta01 when I said the above. Oct 03 20:46:16 SpeedEvil: you're well? Oct 03 20:46:44 SpeedEvil: yu said what? Oct 03 20:47:08 aaah, you were "the boy"? :-DD Oct 03 20:47:10 something about Gsm being connected direclty to battery Oct 03 20:47:41 SpeedEvil: afaik it's correct for *you*, no? Oct 03 20:47:49 yes Oct 03 20:48:10 Though not now, as battery not installed Oct 03 20:48:36 PaulFertser: well, no harm in kernel trying to behave as well ;-) Oct 03 20:49:07 PaulFertser: nevertheless we should take care the ""onkey_mode control bits configured accordingly"" Oct 03 20:49:44 DocScrutinizer: the datasheet puzzles me. I can't easily find description of differences of different variants. Though it looks like only reset values depend on that anyway. Oct 03 20:50:48 PaulFertser: and we should proceed on scrupulous interogation of balaj for that nonsense Oct 03 20:51:42 PaulFertser: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/pcf50633/pcf50633-variants.txt et al Oct 03 20:54:22 http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/pcf50633/PCF50633HN-09-N3rev0.1.pdf Oct 03 20:54:29 DocScrutinizer: nice Oct 03 20:54:29 PaulFertser: o.O Oct 03 20:54:37 imo there is no 'special' handling required to prevent hardware 8s timeout Oct 03 20:54:37 DocScrutinizer: but looks like it affects reset values only. Oct 03 20:54:43 maybe balaj is right Oct 03 20:55:08 DocScrutinizer: how so? Oct 03 20:55:16 no he isn't. Sure that's only reset defaults Oct 03 20:55:52 larsc: we don't want to prevent it ;-D Oct 03 20:55:55 DocScrutinizer: probably we should introduce a sysfs node to make that behaviour configurable and remove pure software solution. Oct 03 20:56:00 we want to *enable* it Oct 03 20:56:25 PaulFertser: sounds sensible to me Oct 03 20:56:32 PaulFertser: can you do that? Oct 03 20:57:27 DocScrutinizer: lindi- wants to Oct 03 20:57:33 DocScrutinizer: technically, yes, practically not sure, too many things i've already promised and haven't done :-/ Oct 03 20:57:53 same here :-/ Oct 03 20:57:58 larsc: so to prevent it we can just disable it, no need to reset watchdog or whatever. Oct 03 20:58:12 lindi is welcome to give some love to that topic Oct 03 21:00:19 so you want the device to be turned of after pressing the power key for 8s? Oct 03 21:01:22 larsc: some people want, lindi- doesn't. I don't care much but i'd like users to have a choice. Oct 03 21:01:38 PaulFertser: start of p.21 is highly interesting Oct 03 21:02:16 larsc: but if i needed to choose between options, i'd disable that emergency shutdown because it's the same as to pull out the battery which is trivial (and even faster). Oct 03 21:02:40 veto Oct 03 21:02:57 I love a decent switch to power down uncond Oct 03 21:03:39 DocScrutinizer: it's nice to have that stuff on my sandisk sansa because there i'd need some disassembly to physically pull the plug. Not an issue on gta. Oct 03 21:03:54 and there's a whole bunch of situations where you can't "simply remove bat" Oct 03 21:04:55 DocScrutinizer: if one wants to just avoid hard lockup he'll use hardware watchdog in SoC i guess. Oct 03 21:05:50 I never used hardware watchdog so far, as nobody made that a simple opt-in at config Oct 03 21:06:14 * DocScrutinizer mumbles ramconsole, ramconsole... Oct 03 21:06:21 DocScrutinizer: on debian it's as simple as "apt-get install watchdog" or something like that. Oct 03 21:06:40 if the soc is locked up the hw timeout will work anyway Oct 03 21:07:01 at least if i understand the manual correctly Oct 03 21:07:16 let's change the POV -- why would anybody get rid of that feature?? Oct 03 21:07:54 larsc: if onkey_mode control bits configured accordingly Oct 03 21:08:16