**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 11 02:59:56 2009
Oct 11 03:00:46 <astrocub> how many bluetooth devices can a user use at the same time with the freerunner?
Oct 11 05:14:10 <Blu3> is there an fsck.jffs2 anywhere in the openmoko repo?
Oct 11 05:41:19 <ndnihil> why would there be?
Oct 11 05:46:39 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r691330cdca44 10/libfsotransport/ (configure.ac fsotransport/basetransport.vala): 
Oct 11 05:46:39 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: libfsotransport: wrap logger calls in assert, so that the compiler has a chance to remove them for release builds
Oct 11 05:46:39 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: needs libfsobasics 0.8.3.1
Oct 11 05:51:15 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r8357b6f2a87a 10/libfsoframework/ (configure.ac fsoframework/subsystem.vala): 
Oct 11 05:51:15 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: libfsoframework: wrap logger calls in assert, so that the compiler has a chance to remove them for release builds
Oct 11 05:51:15 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: needs libfsobasics-0.8.3.1
Oct 11 06:24:58 <KenYoung> Anyone heard any news about "Project B"?   Has the official secrecy been lifted?
Oct 11 06:43:35 <Blu3> ndnihil, root fs is jfs?
Oct 11 06:44:45 <Blu3> freerunner isn't known for being absolutely 100% reliable and never crashing
Oct 11 06:45:23 <Blu3> so it stands to reason that if shr is distributing a jffs2 root fs, then fsck.jfs should be in the repo
Oct 11 07:04:24 <PaulFertser> (identi.ca) do you guys want to know about a micro-blogging service that seems to me much better comparing to any alternatives, including identi.ca?
Oct 11 08:04:33 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07phonesim * r93192547e123 10/lib/phonesim.cpp: fix couple of phonebook command responses (\r\n again)
Oct 11 08:08:57 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rcabc08fd78f4 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/ (atcommands.vala atmediators.vala mediator.vala modem.vala): fsogsmd: more work on phonebook reading
Oct 11 09:26:39 <beniwtv> hey all... chatting from the neo :) What's the best browser for SHR now?
Oct 11 09:27:30 <[Rui]> beniwtv: the one I like the most is woosh
Oct 11 09:28:07 <clare> Psi: hi you are not the only one not getting upper case in illume keyboard on gta01 - have you got it fixed?
Oct 11 09:28:14 <beniwtv> [Rui]: is it in the  feeds?
Oct 11 09:28:28 <pabs3> [Rui]: fonts were too big for me in woosh, how did you deal with that?
Oct 11 09:29:01 <[Rui]> beniwtv: I think so, but I use a package I made so it has a flag to load an url on command line (used by elmdentica to launch urls in 'dents)
Oct 11 09:29:14 <[Rui]> pabs3: too big? to me they're sometimes too small :)
Oct 11 09:29:38 <pabs3> humm
Oct 11 09:29:39 <beniwtv> [Rui]: ok, thanks
Oct 11 09:29:54 <[Rui]> beniwtv: you can get my package at http://code.google.com/p/elmdentica
Oct 11 09:30:03 <[Rui]> my woosh package
Oct 11 09:31:00 <Psi> clare: not working for me atm, but there's probably been another unstable build since the one im using
Oct 11 09:32:00 <Psi> did an opkg upgrade last week tho
Oct 11 09:32:06 <Jorek> Is openmoko and Neo 1973 still alive?
Oct 11 09:32:24 <SpeedEvil> yes.
Oct 11 09:32:49 <beniwtv> yes :)
Oct 11 09:34:21 <beniwtv> woha! first time that I notice the nice baterry indicator when you click on the bat applet :s
Oct 11 09:35:45 <Jorek> Ok =) Just bought one from a freind you see,but I read something about openmoko was out of buissniss
Oct 11 09:36:48 <SpeedEvil> The company has stopped development on new phones
Oct 11 09:37:10 <Jorek> So now its up to the community?
Oct 11 09:37:11 <SpeedEvil> and has stopped development - however - development continues on software by the community.
Oct 11 09:37:14 <[Rui]> Jorek: the company doesn't do phones anymore, but the project lives on (and has improved a lot faster since) in the hands of the community
Oct 11 09:37:20 <SpeedEvil> and they are still selling the existing version
Oct 11 09:37:27 <Psi> has openmoko said what they are working on atm yet?
Oct 11 09:37:34 <[Rui]> Jorek: new models may be built by other entities, such as for instance the University of São Paulo
Oct 11 09:37:39 <clare> Psi: I got Hackable yesterday and SHR today, but SHR dates back to September 6,  
Oct 11 09:37:47 <Jorek> Okey, I see
Oct 11 09:37:50 <Jorek> Thanks!
Oct 11 09:38:27 <Jorek> I'm looking forward to get my hads on the 1973, have been wanting one ever since the project was anncounced! =)
Oct 11 09:38:38 <SpeedEvil> however - to build a new model is going to take a large slice of $100k
Oct 11 09:39:32 <Psi> clare: not sure which one im using atm
Oct 11 09:39:44 <Psi> which build i mean
Oct 11 09:39:52 <SpeedEvil> So it's tricky.
Oct 11 09:43:08 <clare> Psi: I have an ancient copy of the ojne i keep on the flash of gta01; I am going to try it on the SD card.
Oct 11 09:44:14 <clare> Psi: it is dated Nov 20 2008 and there seems to have been almost no improvement since. 
Oct 11 09:45:25 <Heinervdm> [Rui]: does your woosh version has my zoom-patch too?
Oct 11 09:45:30 <Psi>  ojne?
Oct 11 09:45:46 <[Rui]> Heinervdm: oh, so it's you who did it? yes it has :)
Oct 11 09:46:00 <Heinervdm> [Rui]: i did a really ugly hack
Oct 11 09:46:23 <Heinervdm> because of that the bookmark font is too small ;)
Oct 11 09:47:05 <[Rui]> Heinervdm: a bit, but I could browse pages :)
Oct 11 09:47:06 <Heinervdm> but haven't found any other method to get the page smaller
Oct 11 09:47:19 <[Rui]> with all other it was either even slower or very hard
Oct 11 09:47:34 <[Rui]> anyone knows if webkit-efl is already usable?
Oct 11 09:47:54 <Heinervdm> webkit-efl is usable, but eve isn't
Oct 11 09:52:27 <clare> Psi: sorry s/ojne/one/
Oct 11 09:53:30 <Psi> ? there's been lots of improvments since nov 20 2008
Oct 11 09:53:46 <Psi> its actually usable for one
Oct 11 10:04:11 <clare> Psi: Is it? the ones I tried  this weekend - on GTA02 the QTmokoV14 is promising, The Qalee is not nearly ready but beautiful. 
Oct 11 10:04:38 <Psi> ?
Oct 11 10:04:45 <Psi> im talking about SHR on GTA01
Oct 11 10:04:53 <clare> Psi: but for GTA01 very disappointing. I am so tired of trying things which other people are happy with but I keep finding problems/
Oct 11 10:06:16 <Psi> im using my gta01 as my everyday phone
Oct 11 10:06:20 <clare> Psi: the SHR I will try again once I think the keyboard might work. Beter stil find out how to put in a simpler keyboard;
Oct 11 10:06:42 <Psi> yeah, the no capital letter thing is annoying
Oct 11 10:07:34 <PaulFertser> Psi: btw, do you know that disabling sound amp before suspend will give you 2x suspend time?
Oct 11 10:08:05 <Psi> nice, didnt know that
Oct 11 10:08:50 * PaulFertser knows he should finally understand and fix this bug in kernel, probably will try to do next week.
Oct 11 10:09:06 <clare> I found it kept suspending itself or something; you interest me if it will be usable I will try to set up so that I can switch fairly easily from one ot another.
Oct 11 10:09:25 <Psi> PaulFertser: that would be great if you could
Oct 11 10:09:49 <Psi> clare: ya just have to go into the settings menu and turn off auto suspend
Oct 11 10:10:00 <PaulFertser> Psi: funny thing is that the suspend/resume hooks are in place just they don't get called or don't have any effect for whatever reason.
Oct 11 10:10:10 <Psi> also, if you reboot, you need to take the battery out to get gsm to reset
Oct 11 10:11:32 <Psi> clare: and just so you know, i was having problems with mp3s as the ringtone on whatever image im using. Symptom is it will get stuck in a loop playing the call/txt sound forever
Oct 11 10:11:41 <Psi> to fix just convert them to wav
Oct 11 10:11:46 <Psi> probably a gstreamer issue
Oct 11 10:12:38 <clare> Right, AS there is help to be had I will get keen again. thanks for the tips.
Oct 11 10:12:44 <PaulFertser> Psi: (reset gsm) is it the same with the latest unstable? mickey|bbl did try to fix it a month ago but i'm not sure if it actually worked. I think i've tried to test it and that it didn't work but i'm not sure.
Oct 11 10:13:11 * Psi has a look which kernel he's running
Oct 11 10:13:21 <PaulFertser> Psi: it's not about the kernel, it's about framework.
Oct 11 10:13:31 <Psi> ah, ok
Oct 11 10:13:50 <PaulFertser> Psi: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=commitdiff;h=1e42fdcad51a71bc996e87d70e09232d368582f1
Oct 11 10:14:10 <clare> PaulFertser: you have said in the past that the GTA01 will charge a nokia battery, possibly have to put in a resistor on middle pin - is that so? 
Oct 11 10:14:33 <PaulFertser> clare: in fact gta01 will charge a nokia battery even without a resistor but it's tricky.
Oct 11 10:14:53 <Psi> interesting
Oct 11 10:14:54 <clare> TRicked me..
Oct 11 10:15:24 <PaulFertser> clare: i think the best way to make gta01 compatible with nokia batteries is to change one resistor inside the gta01 from 10k to ~70k (to match the resistance of nokia's thermoresistor).
Oct 11 10:16:48 <PaulFertser> clare: or you can somehow make gta01 believe that the pin connected is ~10k to ground (by connecting anything aroung 10k from id pin to the GND. 
Oct 11 10:17:57 <PaulFertser> clare: without hardware tricks it's possible to at least get 200mA but i'm afraid they're shared between running the system and charging, so you have to turn off backlight at least to have some charging current. The reason is yet unknown.
Oct 11 10:18:40 <PaulFertser> clare: and the best method to charge nokia's batteries without hardware tweaks is to fully boot gta01 with nokia battery, then "poweroff" it without unplugging from PC. It will charge with current up to 500mA.
Oct 11 10:19:34 <PaulFertser> clare: the last two oddities is what i observed myself but i can't really explain them without carefully rereading pcf50606 datasheet again.
Oct 11 10:20:16 <clare> PaulFertser: That last sound good for a start, Poweroff can i do it from the terminal (shutdown comamnd?)
Oct 11 10:20:21 <PaulFertser> clare: sure
Oct 11 10:21:27 <clare>  PaulFertser: Many thanks, 
Oct 11 10:21:47 <PaulFertser> clare: hth
Oct 11 10:22:23 <PaulFertser> Probably there's some pcf50606 that needs to be tweaked and after that we'll have 200mA charging current without any tricks but it's yet to be found.
Oct 11 10:23:40 <PaulFertser> s/pcf50606/pcf50606 register/
Oct 11 10:23:40 <apt> PaulFertser meant: Probably there's some pcf50606 register that needs to be tweaked and after that we'll have 200mA charging current without any tricks but it's yet to be found.
Oct 11 10:24:42 <pabs3> is
Oct 11 10:24:47 <pabs3> woops
Oct 11 10:30:58 <DocScrutinizer-8> storing XML in a RDBMS anybody?
Oct 11 10:41:52 <PBeck> hi
Oct 11 10:56:23 <clare> Psi: I installed an SHR a month older and its keyboard is the same - no caps. Makes one wonder who actually uses these thngs.
Oct 11 10:59:35 <DocScrutinizer-8> clare: I don't get it what you say about "no caps"
Oct 11 11:00:36 <DocScrutinizer-8> clare: did you try terminal kbd "flavor"? (select from right upper corner popup list of kbds)
Oct 11 11:01:17 <PaulFertser> clare: or just make a swing on the keyboard directed up, it'll give you terminal keyboard that has shift key.
Oct 11 11:01:18 <clare> DocScrutiniser: I mean if it try to use the keyn=board in the phone itself to type in a terminal the shift key and the CAPS key do not put upper case in the file altho they look uppercase on the keys the,mselves
Oct 11 11:01:25 <DocScrutinizer-8> clare: are you aware how to switch to capitals on "tandard flavor"?
Oct 11 11:01:45 <clare> Obviously not.
Oct 11 11:02:40 <DocScrutinizer-8> hmm, that's really strange, capslock and shift are in terminal kbd and they should "just work"
Oct 11 11:02:47 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer-8: do you probably have any tips for better reception of 900 on a 850 device?
Oct 11 11:03:03 <DocScrutinizer-8> ouch
Oct 11 11:03:35 <DocScrutinizer-8> I think OM EE miserably failed on that. There isn't any decent way
Oct 11 11:04:47 <DocScrutinizer-8> 850 and 900 are absolutely identical, except for one sawtooth-filter
Oct 11 11:05:02 <raster> Psi: capitals work as such in illume. i'v tested it and it works. possibly something about the gta01 build, keymaps set up for x etc.
Oct 11 11:05:53 <DocScrutinizer-8> that's the reason why you can even use a 850 device on a 900 band (and vice versa), though with significantly reduced receiver sensitivity
Oct 11 11:07:14 <DocScrutinizer-8> PaulFertser: only way: scan via modem for all available providers, and then check all their bands
Oct 11 11:07:35 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer-8: heh :) only 3 major providers around here anyway.
Oct 11 11:09:15 <DocScrutinizer-8> PaulFertser: if you find a 850 carrier, but no 900 then *probably* you have a 850 device. analog for 900. If you find both or none of 850/900 then you're somewhat in trouble
Oct 11 11:09:45 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer-8: there's no 850 carriers around here for sure. 
Oct 11 11:10:24 <raster> DocScrutinizer-8: yo!
Oct 11 11:10:27 <raster> PaulFertser: boo!
Oct 11 11:10:29 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer-8: and it's not hard to tell if the device is 850 or 900 by looking at the label in the battery compartment.
Oct 11 11:10:36 <DocScrutinizer-8> raster: hey
Oct 11 11:11:05 <DocScrutinizer-8> PaulFertser: lol. *I* know
Oct 11 11:11:55 <DocScrutinizer-8> PaulFertser: anyway, why do you want to tell apart different devices from sw at all? I don't exactly see the usecase
Oct 11 11:12:55 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer-8: nope, i must have said something wrong. It's just that there're about 25 russians with 850 devices :-/
Oct 11 11:13:27 <DocScrutinizer-8> PaulFertser: you *could* tell from IMEI. You "only" need the database to setup a table
Oct 11 11:13:59 <PaulFertser> I don't want to tell the devices apart, it'd just be nice to somehow improve their usability at least a little bit.
Oct 11 11:14:19 <DocScrutinizer-8> PaulFertser: no way
Oct 11 11:14:35 <DocScrutinizer-8> except replace the filter component
Oct 11 11:15:19 <PaulFertser> Replacing filter doesn't sound too scare, there're many guys with hot air soldering stations around here.
Oct 11 11:16:45 <DocScrutinizer-8> PaulFertser: so you're asking for a rework SOP?
Oct 11 11:18:13 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer-8: not really, just a hint how much work it can involve and the availability of parts. Last time i asked you told me it won't work anyway because the calypso would need to be recalibrated.
Oct 11 11:19:13 <DocScrutinizer-8> yes, basically that's true. but calibration is more of a "legal issue" than a mere technical one
Oct 11 12:24:54 <Jorek> Is the Neo 1973 stable enough to use as a primary phone?
Oct 11 12:25:13 <[Rui]> 1973? what're you doing, collecting models? :)
Oct 11 12:25:26 <SpeedEvil> yes
Oct 11 12:25:51 <SpeedEvil> I was using it as my primary phone in about 2007.8 or so.
Oct 11 12:25:56 <SpeedEvil> Worked OK.
Oct 11 12:27:13 <Jorek> Ok nice, its just a shame that the battery capacity is so low. I would have to charge it all the time! =)
Oct 11 12:28:14 <PaulFertser> Jorek: the battery capacity is actually "ok" but gta01 uses it suboptimally.
Oct 11 12:29:18 <Jorek> PaulFertser: So how many hours of stadby can I expect?
Oct 11 12:30:44 <PaulFertser> Jorek: i guess >80 with deep sleep enabled.
Oct 11 12:30:58 <PaulFertser> Jorek: 50 if not.
Oct 11 12:32:34 <Jorek> PaulFertser: Wow, thats actually not bad! Can't wait to get my hands on it! =)
Oct 11 12:32:43 <PaulFertser> Jorek: with GSM off i've seen <9mA suspend current (probably it was about 7).
Oct 11 12:33:51 <PaulFertser> Jorek: do you have one?
Oct 11 12:36:08 <Jorek> PaulFertser: I bought one from a friend yesterday, but he haven't shipped it yet. I supposed to get it within a week or so.
Oct 11 12:37:23 <PaulFertser> Jorek: are you sure it's gta01 and not gta02?
Oct 11 12:38:05 <Jorek> PaulFertser: If gta02 being the FreeRunner, yes.
Oct 11 12:38:47 <PaulFertser> Jorek: ok, wish you have fun. gta01 framebuffer is actually faster than gta02's glamo-decelerated screen :)
Oct 11 12:42:40 <Jorek> PaulFertser: Thanks! Thats sounds good! However, I do think I'll have to spend some time both in this channel, and on the web. Its been a while since I was a slackwarefan/user. Nowdays I use Ubuntu, all the code is gone!
Oct 11 12:43:25 <Ainulindale> PaulFertser: Hey :-)
Oct 11 12:43:31 <Ainulindale> PaulFertser: I thought it was better with xorg & all
Oct 11 12:43:33 <Ainulindale> (glamo)
Oct 11 12:43:36 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: yo :)
Oct 11 12:43:48 <Ainulindale> (and yes I'm lurking)
Oct 11 12:44:44 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: as raster said many times with proper X drivers glamo will have the same average performance as plain FB :) well, accelerated video decoding is possible but not properly implemented, that'd be the only benefit afair.
Oct 11 12:45:07 <Ainulindale> Sad :-/
Oct 11 12:45:08 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: also gta01 has a much faster SD throughput. 
Oct 11 12:48:31 <raster> PaulFertser: no guarantees on it - but its my assessment based on having read the full glamo accel specs
Oct 11 12:49:08 <Ainulindale> hey raster o/
Oct 11 12:49:14 <Ainulindale> How's life? Feeling better?
Oct 11 12:49:45 <SpeedEvil> he's not been so well. He was locked up in a mental institution for 3 months after reading the full glamo specs.
Oct 11 12:49:47 <SpeedEvil> :)
Oct 11 12:49:48 <PaulFertser> raster: your assessment in this area is obviously better than anyone's else :)
Oct 11 12:51:59 <raster> Ainulindale: boo
Oct 11 12:52:08 <raster> SpeedEvil:  hahahaha
Oct 11 12:52:22 <Ainulindale> Meh :-)
Oct 11 12:52:36 <raster> :)
Oct 11 13:09:44 <clare> Psi: I have made a ticket #669 about the keyboard lowercasing letters in GTA01.
Oct 11 13:24:51 <clare> bye
Oct 11 13:24:54 <clare> \quit
Oct 11 13:34:39 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r8b4e97480a50 10/fsogsmd/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fsogsmd: raise INTERNAL_ERROR( "Not yet implemented" ) for everything that's not done yet
Oct 11 13:36:27 <WhiteCat> how to install mkfs.vfat   ..since opkg install mkfs.vfat doesn't find any package
Oct 11 13:38:05 <Defiant> WhiteCat: search for dos tools, dosfstools or something like that
Oct 11 13:38:39 <WhiteCat> http://members.shaw.ca/mmontour/neo/dosfstools_2.11-r0_armv4t.ipk      ..this also doesnt works
Oct 11 13:46:04 <WhiteCat>  i got it .. ican be installed from http://beer.geek.nz/software/zaurus/feed/unstable/dosfstools_2.10-1_armv5tel.ipk
Oct 11 18:14:59 <jonkristian> How do i fix this error in shr under opkg upgrade? ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for fsousaged:
Oct 11 18:15:07 <jonkristian> *  libfso-glib0 (>= 0.2.1+gitr47+7608c8d98bb65bb5beca6621eb86920b71df1bc9) *
Oct 11 18:17:21 <ajvogel> i had the same problem, but after trying opkg update; opkg upgrade a couple of times it worked
Oct 11 18:17:31 <ajvogel> so i think the error might be fixed
Oct 11 18:17:36 <jonkristian> ok
Oct 11 18:47:21 <jonkristian> ajvogel: didn't work for me
Oct 11 18:48:01 <ajvogel> thats strange, cant think that i did anything else
Oct 11 18:49:16 <jonkristian> i had it fixed at one point someone in here told me, i just can't remember what it was
Oct 11 18:49:22 * jonkristian checks the logs
Oct 11 18:51:08 <jonkristian> ajvogel: opkg install http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/ipk/armv4t/libfso-glib0_0.2.1+gitr47+7608c8d98bb65bb5beca6621eb86920b71df1bc9-r0_armv4t.ipk 
Oct 11 18:51:17 <jonkristian> i think that was the answer i got
Oct 11 18:53:39 <jonkristian> yeah, that worked
Oct 11 19:01:16 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r4837a089406a 10/vapi/elm.vapi: elm.vapi: add Label.line_wrap_set()
Oct 11 19:07:20 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r402c291a3c54 10/vapi/elm.vapi: elm.vapi: catch up with slideshow
Oct 11 19:26:20 <ajvogel> are there issues with WEP? i can connect to a wpa ap with mokonnect, but when i try a wep the fr freezes
Oct 11 19:26:23 <DocScrutinizer-8> see topic
Oct 11 19:26:43 <DocScrutinizer-8> ajvogel: same here
Oct 11 19:26:56 <PaulFertser> ajvogel: can you obtain kernel log for the freeze?
Oct 11 19:27:03 <DocScrutinizer-8> PaulFertser: ^
Oct 11 19:27:58 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer-8: can you? ;)
Oct 11 19:28:34 <ajvogel> err, excuse my ignorance, which log would that be?
Oct 11 19:28:40 <DocScrutinizer-8> no ramconsole here
Oct 11 19:29:18 <PaulFertser> ajvogel: if you can't recompile kernel while applying ramconsole patch, change BL settings, use watchdog etc don't bother.
Oct 11 19:29:53 <ajvogel> I wont bother than :)
Oct 11 19:30:52 <ajvogel> *then
Oct 11 19:31:08 <jonkristian> Any idea? http://pastebin.com/d322e7f2c
Oct 11 19:31:11 <jonkristian> a2dp problem
Oct 11 19:31:51 <DocScrutinizer-8> I repeat my urgent recomendation to make ramconsole the default kernel config
Oct 11 19:34:45 <max_posedon_> wep works for me
Oct 11 19:34:57 <max_posedon_> (always worked)
Oct 11 19:37:47 <jonkristian> max_posedon_: did you get a2dp working?
Oct 11 19:38:14 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer-8: it's not exactly easy but yes, it'd be nice
Oct 11 19:38:45 <max_posedon_> yes and no
Oct 11 19:38:45 <max_posedon_> works, but results not good
Oct 11 19:39:02 <jonkristian> max_posedon_: bluez4?
Oct 11 19:39:02 <PaulFertser> jonkristian: what's your headset model?
Oct 11 19:39:16 <max_posedon_> jonkristian, yes
Oct 11 19:39:32 <jonkristian> PaulFertser: I think it's a bulk, let me check
Oct 11 19:39:45 <PaulFertser> jonkristian: i mean why are you so sure it supports a2dp?
Oct 11 19:40:06 <jonkristian> because i know it does
Oct 11 19:40:12 <jonkristian> it said so on the package
Oct 11 19:40:21 <jonkristian> PSHC122
Oct 11 19:42:06 <jonkristian> PaulFertser: http://www.alibaba.com/product-tp/12024509/Bluetooth_Stereo_Headset.html
Oct 11 19:42:09 <jonkristian> that's the one i got
Oct 11 19:48:07 <gena2x> hi guys, can someone give some consultation on WSOD issue?
Oct 11 19:48:21 <PaulFertser> jonkristian: try to fully reboot the headset and turn FR's bluetooth on/off.
Oct 11 19:48:36 <PaulFertser> jonkristian: you might also want to try to use your headset with your laptop.
Oct 11 19:49:00 <gena2x> I am getting WSOD on shr unstable, and it is easily reproducible :(
Oct 11 19:49:27 <gena2x> In fact, I always got it, but didn't realise reason.
Oct 11 19:50:16 <gena2x> Reason is street temperature, in suspend after 20 minutes on street it WSODs.
Oct 11 19:50:23 <gena2x> Is it know issue?
Oct 11 19:51:08 <gena2x> I have +7 celsus here
Oct 11 19:51:39 <DocScrutinizer-8> yep
Oct 11 19:51:43 <gena2x> Anyone faced this?
Oct 11 19:52:02 <DocScrutinizer-8> wsod is known to be triggered by low temp
Oct 11 19:52:26 <gena2x> But shr in default do not use deep sleep?
Oct 11 19:52:39 <DocScrutinizer-8> see ticket of wsod (sorry dunno ticket number by heart)
Oct 11 19:52:44 <gena2x> I thought that wsod is only in deep sleep?
Oct 11 19:53:19 <DocScrutinizer-8> that's completely different continent
Oct 11 19:54:18 <DocScrutinizer-8> wsod is LCM domain, deepsleep is GSM domain
Oct 11 19:54:42 <gena2x> So, still no workaround for wsod?
Oct 11 19:54:45 <mokokoko> HI! I have a openmoko freerunner neo. I tried to install debian using install.sh script but it didnt work. Can you tell me have to install debian please?
Oct 11 19:55:21 <jonkristian> PaulFertser: works perfectly with my laptop
Oct 11 19:55:46 <jonkristian> PaulFertser: also, by fully reboot the headset, you mean take out the battery, or turn off/on?
Oct 11 19:55:49 <gena2x> mokokoko: I installed debian on freerunner, wat kind of error you getting?
Oct 11 19:56:38 <mokokoko> did you use script at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner?
Oct 11 19:56:53 <PaulFertser> gena2x: wait for the .31 kernel, it should be ultimately solved in it :)
Oct 11 19:57:23 <PaulFertser> jonkristian: well, if it works with your laptop... Does it run ~same bluez version?
Oct 11 19:57:52 <DocScrutinizer-8> gena2x: workaround for wsod is supposedly to power down LCM completely during suspend, and "reboot" it on resume. It's unclear if this scheme is implemented correctly and doesn't work occasionally, or if there are flaws in the workaround implementation in kernel
Oct 11 19:58:27 <mokokoko> gena2x: can you please help me?
Oct 11 19:58:33 <gena2x> PaulFertser: I am sure on single ting about .31 - it will eat freerunner i and dcache much more efficiently ;)
Oct 11 19:58:39 <jonkristian> PaulFertser: my laptop has bluez 4.54
Oct 11 19:59:11 <PaulFertser> jonkristian: also probably your headset doesn't remember previous pairing and after you pair it with the laptop you need to repair to use with FR... No idea really.
Oct 11 19:59:19 <jonkristian> PaulFertser: I'll try my laptop again, it's been a while since i last tested
Oct 11 19:59:29 <jonkristian> PaulFertser: alright
Oct 11 19:59:32 <PaulFertser> gena2x: i'm interested in details ;)
Oct 11 19:59:48 <gena2x> mokokoko: yes, I can, but try to describe that is you problem in more details.
Oct 11 20:00:18 <mokokoko> was it script at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner which you used ?
Oct 11 20:00:19 <PaulFertser> jonkristian: also beware, shr version of mplayer uses slow (fpu) vorbis decoder afaik so it won't work.
Oct 11 20:00:25 <gena2x> PaulFertser: I'm not developing for FR, but my home kernel which have same config is growing for sure.
Oct 11 20:01:26 <PaulFertser> gena2x: aha, i thought you were some kind of arm-wizard who knows enough about caching, implications of branch prediction etc etc.
Oct 11 20:03:17 <gena2x> mokokoko: All I know is "What Every Programmer Should Know About Memory" article by arm-hater :)
Oct 11 20:04:03 <gena2x> oh, wrong person PaulFertser: All I know is "What Every Programmer Should Know About Memory" article by arm-hater :)
Oct 11 20:05:51 <Blu3> ok, i've tried five different brands of SD cards from the $$$reliable to the $cheap.  is there any trick to improving the read/write stability to the SD card?  i constantly get FS errors shortly after starting writing and i often get read errors.  all my SD cards work perfectly in all my other card readers in all my computers
Oct 11 20:05:59 <gena2x> mokokoko: Where is instructions on debian wiki. Which step fails? http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner
Oct 11 20:07:49 <gena2x> PaulFertser:  But I can see: 2796888->my-2.6.25 2882336->my-2.6.27 2981024->my-2.6.28 3511840->my-2.6.31 on my desktop.
Oct 11 20:08:13 <PaulFertser> gena2x: probably you do oldconfig the wrong way.
Oct 11 20:08:29 <gena2x> PaulFertser: I'm doing menuconfig.
Oct 11 20:08:35 <mokokoko> Testing system setup E: Could not find the following binaries:  rdate ar
Oct 11 20:09:09 <gena2x> PaulFertser: probably gcc is different, but still...
Oct 11 20:09:40 <gena2x> mokokoko: Look like you need to install this utilited on your host system.
Oct 11 20:09:55 <mokokoko> rdat is installed and works
Oct 11 20:10:04 <mokokoko> i will re-install
Oct 11 20:10:27 <PaulFertser> Blu3: well, that looks like gta02 hardware issue now. :(
Oct 11 20:10:48 <Blu3> yes.  i'd like to make the driver more resilient to errors
Oct 11 20:11:43 <Blu3> once i have a working cross compile and all the patches/config for the current kernel, i can try making the driver retry several times before giving up and tossing the filesystem
Oct 11 20:12:04 <Blu3> i've tried adjusting the sd drive strength all the way up to 5
Oct 11 20:12:09 <gena2x> mokokoko: are you sure what it is installed? what is output of which rdate?
Oct 11 20:12:10 <Blu3> still breaks
Oct 11 20:12:36 <mokokoko> Usage: rdate [-46acnpsv] [-o port] host   -4: use IPv4 only   -6: use IPv6 only   -a: use adjtime instead of instant change   -c: correct leap second count   -n: use SNTP instead of RFC868 time protocol   -o num: override time port with num   -p: just print, don't set   -s: just set, don't print   -u: use UDP instead of TCP as transport   -v: verbose output
Oct 11 20:13:29 <CIA-44> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r4d0f647762f6 10/fsogsmd/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): fsogsmd: implement org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.{Unlock|SendAuthCode|ChangeAuthCode}
Oct 11 20:13:42 <gena2x> mokokoko: Strange... Can you change first line of install sh script to #!/bin/bash ?
Oct 11 20:13:47 <PaulFertser> Blu3: there's an almost fully rewritten glamo-mci driver in glamo-2.6.31 branch at OM repo, so base your work on that. om-gta02-2.6.31 (which merges everything else needed) already boots (no touchscreen yet) so you can try with that.
Oct 11 20:14:08 <Blu3> hmm, i think i might
Oct 11 20:14:59 <gena2x> mokokoko: Or just write simple script with two lines - "#!/bin/sh" and "which rdate"
Oct 11 20:15:00 <PaulFertser> Blu3: btw, for _kernel_ compilation you can use almost any arm toolchain, you can use emdebian or there're packaged toolchains for fedora core and for everything else. Cross-compiling the kernel is in fact damn easy.
Oct 11 20:15:37 <gena2x> mokokoko: And chmod a+x that script, run, post result
Oct 11 20:15:40 <Blu3> right, i already have an arm toolchain for the most part.  my attention really is directed to the patches needed for a gta02
Oct 11 20:16:40 <PaulFertser> Blu3: just clone OM repo, checkout the branch i mentioned, grab ./build script from andy-tracking, make gta02 directory, do CROSS_COMPILE=/your/toolchain- ./build gta02 a 
Oct 11 20:16:55 <Blu3> oh, i was gonna ask.  any sources for a usb otg cable mini-b to mini-b?
Oct 11 20:17:01 <Blu3> ok
Oct 11 20:17:30 <PaulFertser> Blu3: oh, and obviously you need to cp arch/arm/configs/gta02_defconfig gta02/.config first.
Oct 11 20:17:42 <Blu3> aye
Oct 11 20:18:01 <Blu3> has any of the ddwrt stuff made it into the om repo?
Oct 11 20:18:27 <PaulFertser> Blu3: openwrt you mean?
Oct 11 20:18:30 <PaulFertser> Blu3: yes
Oct 11 20:18:32 <Blu3> yeah
Oct 11 20:18:36 <Blu3> ok, great
Oct 11 20:18:39 <PaulFertser> Blu3: almost all of it.
Oct 11 20:18:42 <Blu3> sweet
Oct 11 20:24:57 <Blu3> do i need to check out the andy stuff?
Oct 11 20:27:47 <PaulFertser> Blu3: That depends a good deal on where you want to get to
Oct 11 20:28:05 <jonkristian> PaulFertser: alright, got a2dp working on my laptop, only difference was the pairing, which was done via gnome, and a local .asoundrc
Oct 11 20:28:26 <Blu3> stable wifi and sdio are my two biggest wants
Oct 11 20:28:34 <jonkristian> But at least it's nothing wrong with the device:)
Oct 11 20:29:45 <PaulFertser> Blu3: if you want to do something about glamo-mci, then use the new branches. If you want to use the device right now, use andy-tracking.
Oct 11 20:30:23 <Blu3> well, i can't -use- it without a stable sdio for what i'm doing these days :>
Oct 11 20:38:08 <PaulFertser>  `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
Oct 11 20:40:17 <Blu3> is there an overview for guys new to the repo branches as to what each branch is about?
Oct 11 20:40:40 <PaulFertser> Blu3: well, most of them are obvious, for the less obvious just ask me.
Oct 11 20:42:21 <Blu3> well, you said the om-gtak02-2.6.31 merges everything else (but the glamo (rewrite))? and doesn't have touchscreen support, so which branch is best to parse the TS from?
Oct 11 20:43:35 <PaulFertser> Blu3: it merges everything including glamo rewrite. But TS patches are not ready yet, for support of TS on .31 you'll have to wait for Nelson.
Oct 11 20:43:45 <Blu3> ok
Oct 11 20:45:13 <radekp> hi, anobody knows correct fb.modes configuration for qvga resolution?
Oct 11 20:45:55 <radekp> if i do just "echo qvga-normal > /sys/bus/spi/devices/spi2.0/state" then i get 240x320 but with incorrect colors
Oct 11 20:46:51 <radekp> i have found fb.modes that can fix colors, but screen flickers when this mode is set
Oct 11 20:47:36 <PaulFertser> radekp: if i just boot x.org and switch to 240x320 and start fbset, will it give me the current values?
Oct 11 20:48:07 <PaulFertser> I guess it should, let me check.
Oct 11 20:49:01 <radekp> for SHR the /etc/fb.modes is empty, so you should get incorrect colors too
Oct 11 20:49:57 <PaulFertser> radekp: luckily i'm not using SHR :P but fb.modes are not used by X.org in any way.
Oct 11 20:51:09 <radekp> PaulFertser: oki :)
Oct 11 20:51:59 <PaulFertser> radekp: so do you want to get qvga with fbset or doesn't x driver work for you?
Oct 11 20:53:15 <radekp> PaulFertser: i want to use mplayer-glamo in framebuffer
Oct 11 20:53:44 <radekp> PaulFertser: in fact i am already using it, but i'd like to get rid of the flickering
Oct 11 20:56:44 <PaulFertser> radekp: here's what it gives me with xorg http://pastebin.com/m18f034bf
Oct 11 20:57:18 <PaulFertser> radekp: but yes, it flickers like mad and looks wrong.
Oct 11 20:57:24 <PaulFertser> radekp: i think it was better with xglamo
Oct 11 20:58:06 <radekp> PaulFertser: hmm but i will try anyway :) thanks
Oct 11 21:03:46 <PaulFertser> radekp: Yo, get the good values from here: http://pastebin.com/m1d0f6d61
Oct 11 21:07:18 <radekp> PaulFertser: hmm the last one looks quite good
Oct 11 21:07:27 <radekp> PaulFertser: let me try more :)
Oct 11 21:07:37 <PaulFertser> more beer
Oct 11 21:10:17 <radekp> it does not flicker, but the colors are still too bright
Oct 11 21:10:33 <jonkristian> hm, appears some settings in shr doesn't get saved
Oct 11 21:11:46 <radekp> in fact the last mode is exactly the same what prints fbset after reboot (except the resolution)
Oct 11 21:12:51 <slaxxer> jonkristian  are those   from mrmoko    image from yesterday?
Oct 11 21:12:53 * jonkristian wonders why bluez-utils-alsa is installed in shr unstable when it's using bluez4.
Oct 11 21:13:04 <jonkristian> slaxxer: im on the unstable feed
Oct 11 21:15:22 <radekp> it looks like the timing in qvga needs to be 100000 instead of 40816
Oct 11 21:15:47 <radekp> otherwise the colors are too bright
Oct 11 21:16:40 <jonkristian> PaulFertser: \o/
Oct 11 21:17:01 <PaulFertser> jonkristian: you got a2dp?
Oct 11 21:17:16 <jonkristian> PaulFertser: bluez-utils-alsa needed to be replaced by libasound-module-bluez
Oct 11 21:17:22 <jonkristian> PaulFertser: But it's quite laggy
Oct 11 21:17:35 <PaulFertser> jonkristian: ah, so you had old deprecated bluez3 stuff
Oct 11 21:17:42 <PaulFertser> jonkristian: is it included in shr-u by default?
Oct 11 21:17:48 <jonkristian> I know i should've read the Check installed packages, but i don't understand why that one was installed instead of libasound-module-bluez
Oct 11 21:17:50 <PaulFertser> jonkristian: you need to make maintainers aware then.
Oct 11 21:17:57 <jonkristian> PaulFertser: will do
Oct 11 21:18:09 <PaulFertser> jonkristian: (laggy) use tremor decoder for mp3
Oct 11 21:18:17 <jonkristian> it's ogg
Oct 11 21:18:29 <jonkristian> maybe better with intone, i will test now
Oct 11 21:18:38 <PaulFertser> jonkristian: man i tell you
Oct 11 21:18:51 <jonkristian> but the audio quality is quite good, far better than i expected
Oct 11 21:18:53 <PaulFertser> jonkristian: for ogg you need libivorbis otherwise it's too slow
Oct 11 21:19:25 <PaulFertser> jonkristian: s3c2442 lacks hardware fpu so all important stuff should be done with fixed point.
Oct 11 21:19:33 <jonkristian> ok
Oct 11 21:20:09 <lindi-> PaulFertser: libivorbis is tremor
Oct 11 21:20:37 <jonkristian> should i create a ticket for the deprecated package that was included?
Oct 11 21:20:47 <PaulFertser> lindi-: when i said tremor i meant "libmad", sorry :)
Oct 11 21:20:51 <jonkristian> this one i recon? libvorbisidec1
Oct 11 21:21:26 <lindi-> jonkristian: in debian 'mpd' is pretty much the only thing that uses tremor
Oct 11 21:21:42 <lindi-> jonkristian: so use mpd server and one of the mpd clients
Oct 11 21:22:01 <lindi-> 'ario' seemed like a lightweight mpd client
Oct 11 21:22:07 <jonkristian> okay, but for mp3 i can use intone fine or?
Oct 11 21:22:46 <lindi-> jonkristian: i don't know about libmad use
Oct 11 21:22:46 <PaulFertser> jonkristian: yes, for mp3 intone should work great
Oct 11 21:22:58 <PaulFertser> jonkristian: SHR mplayer should use mad
Oct 11 21:23:00 <jonkristian> thanks guys, this is a real breakthrough for me
Oct 11 21:23:05 <PaulFertser> I guess it does by default.
Oct 11 21:25:07 <_ant_> There is another problem with screen resolution. When the display is in QVGA mode, mouse coordinates readed from /dev/input/event1 are still uncalibrated, so touchscreen always operates in "VGA". Is there a solution to tell touchscreen driver to set a divider for coords?
Oct 11 21:26:12 <PaulFertser> _ant_: are you talking about Xglamo?
Oct 11 21:26:22 <_ant_> no X at all
Oct 11 21:26:44 <PaulFertser> _ant_: xorg does auto-translation so it's a non-issue with it.
Oct 11 21:28:10 <_ant_> PaulFertser: it may be useful while running a program which uses framebuffer (e.g. qt extended).
Oct 11 21:28:22 <jonkristian> Created ticket
Oct 11 21:28:41 <PaulFertser> _ant_: i know but screen resolution doesn't match input device resolution anyway. Imagine you connected some wacom.
Oct 11 21:31:55 <_ant_> PaulFertser: So, you think that coordinates readed from touchscreen device must be calibrated in user mode (by the program which is running now)?
Oct 11 21:33:41 <jonkristian> What's the best filesystem to use on the sdcard for shr, i have an 8gb sdhc
Oct 11 21:34:40 <PaulFertser> _ant_: i can't tell for sure, sorry
Oct 11 21:34:53 <PaulFertser> jonkristian: i prefer ext3
Oct 11 21:35:13 <jonkristian> PaulFertser: thanks
Oct 11 21:35:25 <jonkristian> i thought about ext3, any reiser support?
Oct 11 21:35:47 <jonkristian> reiser is faster, but maybe it doesn't matter with flash
Oct 11 21:35:57 <PaulFertser> _ant_: i think it all depends on environment. Your typical laptop touchpanel can (and does) also report absolute coordinates, synaptic driver takes care of that.
Oct 11 21:36:36 <_ant_> Maybe it would be good to have a sysfs file for touchscreen calibration (divider value) and then execute:
Oct 11 21:36:36 <_ant_>  # echo qvga-normal > /sys/bus/spi/devices/spi2.0/state
Oct 11 21:36:36 <_ant_>  $ echo 2 > /touchscreen/divider/file
Oct 11 21:36:36 <_ant_> And we will got 100% compatibility.
Oct 11 21:38:19 <PaulFertser> _ant_: i think the app that wants to use touchscreen directly (without X) can employ tslib and do whatever it wants.
Oct 11 21:38:49 <_ant_> It is an option too. Thanks.
Oct 11 21:44:38 <PaulFertser> lindi-: btw, do you by any chance know who's in charge of paste.dyndns.org 1234?
Oct 11 21:49:09 <larsc> btw: /sys/bus/spi/devices/spi2.0/state is obsolte. newer kernels will switch mode automatically
Oct 11 21:49:53 <PaulFertser> larsc: sure
Oct 11 21:50:14 <larsc> if you want to use the touchscreen without xorg you should always read the framebuffer resolution and rotation and scale, rotate according to that
Oct 11 22:02:39 <radekp> btw this http://www.pastebin.cz/23924 mode produces WSOD on my FR
Oct 12 02:13:57 <slaxxer> hows opkg upgrade doc?
Oct 12 02:14:07 <slaxxer> Doc
Oct 12 02:14:22 <slaxxer> opkg upgrade
Oct 12 02:15:04 <slaxxer> fsousaged
Oct 12 02:15:20 <slaxxer> libfso-glib0
Oct 12 02:26:19 <slaxxer> if i put sht testing image  ,,will i be able to play doom?
Oct 12 02:26:30 <slaxxer> shr*
Oct 12 02:26:40 <slaxxer> ")
Oct 12 02:28:03 <slaxxer> excessive amounts of maple syrup will make your head hurt to
Oct 12 02:30:30 <SpeedEvil> Especially if bears come to lick it off.
Oct 12 02:40:33 <slaxxer> my uncle sat up in bed to see what was on the porch,,,,  it was a bear eating dog food
Oct 12 02:41:07 <slaxxer> he said he was scared
Oct 12 02:52:13 <debianmoko> Hello i tried to install debian to my openmoko freerunner using install script. It gave ''internal error: install.sh". Now i try to run this script again and i get this error ->'Clearing MBR of Sd with dd failed (0).' does anyone know the problem?
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