**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 13 02:59:56 2009 Oct 13 03:02:03 KenYoung: I'm one of the strange ones I guess. used SHR for a while, didn't like it. I like android's interface. it's slick. I also like the java application layer. many neat apps can be written in a really productive amount of time and just like standard j2me, chances are it's gonna run on every other android phone without modification. also, I dig green robots. Oct 13 03:03:53 KenYoung: I've been wandering around the cave of nix for a decade now, so it's not a matter of being windows-washed - I just like it. :-) Oct 13 03:04:58 mostly_useless, Well, if you like java, it all makes sense. Oct 13 03:05:49 KenYoung: I think it helps too that I'm taking classes on java atm. it's neat to see it all fit together on a larger scale. Oct 13 03:10:10 take care guys, thanks for the help and the tips about wifi connection Oct 13 03:10:29 Cristianpark1, Did you try your other SIM? Oct 13 03:10:42 I'll get some rest, tomorrow I'll be here with the results of that try Oct 13 03:10:56 I was formatting MicroSD Card to install Android Oct 13 03:11:34 so I can't reboot FR yet, but tomorrow I'll come with the results Oct 13 03:11:39 bye and thanks Oct 13 03:12:06 have open dreams Oct 13 04:38:59 openmoko: 03rehar * r5688 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ (ecn0010.txt ecn0038.txt): Oct 13 04:38:59 openmoko: ECN0010: Oct 13 04:38:59 openmoko: - added function of removed components as suggested by Werner Oct 13 04:38:59 openmoko: - added missing cap C4114 to the removed components Oct 13 04:38:59 openmoko: - added short explaination why R4404 will be removed Oct 13 04:39:01 openmoko: ECN0038: Oct 13 04:39:05 openmoko: - added change of C4128 to 47pF after brief discussion with Joerg Oct 13 04:49:12 openmoko: 03rehar * r5689 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (audio.sch docs/ecn/ecn0010.txt): - implemented removal of R4404 from audio sheet according to ECN0010 Oct 13 07:19:59 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * ra37e2ade67aa 10/vapi/elm.vapi: elm.vapi: catch up with upstream API changes as per rev 43043 Oct 13 09:26:56 DocScrutinizer, Hi Oct 13 09:27:04 sorry for yesterday Oct 13 09:27:18 Do you design the Gta03 Oct 13 09:27:19 ? Oct 13 09:37:51 panicking: gta03 doesnt and won't exist. no one works on it (anymore) Oct 13 09:38:32 ok, but it is possible to connect the display of gta02 on the gta03. The gta03 board has the connector or Oct 13 09:38:36 it is possible to adapt it Oct 13 09:39:35 raster, I don't see it on the board Oct 13 09:40:00 gta02 doesnt exist... Oct 13 09:40:06 err gta03 i mean Oct 13 09:56:44 So what ? No one talk about http://thewikireader.com/ Oct 13 09:57:24 it should be on the channel topic Oct 13 10:13:06 meuh: why? Oct 13 10:39:29 raster: if i'm not wrong, wikireader is openmoko plan B Oct 13 10:42:42 meuh: yes.and its about as exciting and interesting as toejam :) Oct 13 10:42:56 1. doesnt run linux. not even capable of it. runs some rtos Oct 13 10:43:07 2. its a dum b&w lcd. Oct 13 10:43:20 3. no wifi, bt or any interesting connectivity Oct 13 10:43:51 its dum sotage + low end simply cpu that cant run linux. + cheap b&w low-res lcd Oct 13 10:44:12 raster: random: would you happen to know anything about bare die avaiability of SoCs/RAM/... ? Oct 13 10:44:26 SpeedEvil: nup. :( Oct 13 10:44:50 k. Oct 13 10:45:43 raster: at last some technical data, thanks Oct 13 10:45:51 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07python-helpers * r0faabe776bbc 10/mickeyterm/mickeyterm: mickeyterm: try to fail gracefully when we can't read anymore Oct 13 10:46:17 meuh: u'll find out soon enough. Oct 13 10:46:49 trust me whan i say its incredibly uninteresting in terms of features power or software. Oct 13 10:48:05 you run an app on your desktop thgat downloads all of wikipedia then converts it into really simple files that the device is capable of finally processing. Oct 13 10:48:35 if u like that.. then thats great. Oct 13 10:49:03 Not all apps benefit from linux. Oct 13 10:49:05 yeah, but will this help openmoko (inc) to grow in business ? Oct 13 10:49:26 Though I'm semi-seriously considering replacing my microwave oven controller with X/linux Oct 13 10:49:28 but this is not the kind of device i'd be interested in. i want it to be able to run software i write and use :) Oct 13 10:49:53 meuh: i doubt it. everyone quit/left/was fired fromopenmoko Oct 13 10:50:05 no one works there anymore that used to who is technical at all Oct 13 10:50:11 even most of sales and marketing went Oct 13 10:50:22 the company turned into a 2 man show - sean + will. Oct 13 10:50:23 thats it Oct 13 10:50:37 the wikireader was the last brainchild of seans Oct 13 10:51:20 nothing more will come out of om - i'm relatively sure almost no one who worked there ever would want to go back Oct 13 10:51:33 and good luck to the new suckers who think its a great idea :) Oct 13 10:52:06 wikireader isn't a bad idea - but execution is problematic Oct 13 10:53:34 SpeedEvil: it reminds me OLPC XO-1 ... an egg of OLPC XO-1, just too limited, just too expensive Oct 13 10:53:58 SpeedEvil: at $99.. thats expensive for very little ther Oct 13 10:54:05 there Oct 13 10:54:15 for $140 you get a smartq5 Oct 13 10:54:32 128m ram, 800x480 4.3" lcd, wifi, s3c6410 @667 mhz Oct 13 10:54:39 raster: and lots less IO Oct 13 10:55:02 als usb connmection, sd card slow, and 1gb of flash on board Oct 13 10:55:11 for $1 less.. u get.. wikireader. Oct 13 10:55:14 err $41 Oct 13 10:55:22 It's a _microwave_oven_controller_ Oct 13 10:55:29 raster: but how long will the battery last in that smartq5? Oct 13 10:55:46 The direct replacement - with 16*2 char display is about half the price Oct 13 10:55:59 And it doesn't do nice stuff it could - like proper bread rising cycle Oct 13 10:56:15 lindi-: depends i guess. but thats a full color backlit 800x480 lcd. and a cpu thats maybe something like 200x or 500x the speed of the wikireader Oct 13 10:56:22 its a mountain more machine for very little more Oct 13 10:56:46 raster: yep, but you don't need that to read wikipedia Oct 13 10:56:56 if the wikireader was $20 - it might be a cool "spare cash i dont know what to do with" toy. Oct 13 10:56:59 no u dont Oct 13 10:57:18 why not a wiki-'Speak & Spell'-reader ? :) Oct 13 10:57:30 but why would i read wikipedia on that when i have pc's all around my home all online and ready to see wikipedia with images and videos... Oct 13 10:57:30 :) Oct 13 10:59:47 as SpeedEvil said. wikireader is on the level of a microwave oven controller.. and at the same price. :) it's no interestign technology. its cheap technology that has now become so pervasive and cheap that its stuck into everything from microwaves to car keys :) Oct 13 11:00:38 feel free to buy one if u like - but to me.. thats a high price for very little. Oct 13 11:01:00 raster: err - no. - not quite. Oct 13 11:01:26 raster: I was answering the 'why not get a smartq' - vs the 3.4" deb-board Oct 13 11:01:40 what is the wiki reader price? Oct 13 11:01:45 $99 Oct 13 11:02:00 for what is i think an 8 or 16bit microcontroller cpu Oct 13 11:02:09 too expensive for the target Oct 13 11:02:10 i dont think there is an ram beyond cpu built-in Oct 13 11:02:32 a b&w non-baclit lcd that from the photos looks quite low-res Oct 13 11:02:34 s touchscreen tho Oct 13 11:02:36 3 buttons Oct 13 11:02:39 I may be going out on a limb, but I don't think this device is going to fund gta03 :/ Oct 13 11:02:40 2xaa battery slots Oct 13 11:02:48 and an sd card slot to hold the wiki data Oct 13 11:02:57 no chance Oct 13 11:03:13 i dont see it going in high volumes Oct 13 11:03:41 the margins at the low volumes sean can do means the profit is maybe $50 on a good day i imagine Oct 13 11:03:56 i expect he might sell some Oct 13 11:04:08 but its not going to fund gta023 Oct 13 11:04:10 gta03 Oct 13 11:04:14 for that he'll need millions Oct 13 11:04:49 and for that if he didnt drop price he'd probablyt have to sell 200k wikireaders Oct 13 11:05:08 tho cost price will go down with that many units Oct 13 11:05:19 but he'll have to drop retail price too eventually Oct 13 11:05:55 >100k for gta02-core I guess. Oct 13 11:06:08 similar Oct 13 11:06:10 [2009-10-13 12:55:22] It's a _microwave_oven_controller_ Oct 13 11:06:14 If doing it cheap, and it all just works out right Oct 13 11:06:20 to do gta03 i dont think he'd get away with less than $10mil to do it Oct 13 11:06:23 it's a TOASTER. I always told ya ;-D Oct 13 11:06:34 DocScrutinizer: hehehhe Oct 13 11:06:40 DocScrutinizer: got your n900 yet? Oct 13 11:07:02 And that's the other giant in the room Oct 13 11:07:16 back in 2007-8 there wasn't really any open-source linux phones. Oct 13 11:07:35 indeed Oct 13 11:07:36 in 2009-10 - nokia at least releases a very shiny one - that's at least largely open Oct 13 11:07:39 even n900 iast 100% open Oct 13 11:07:43 but i'd say its "open enough" Oct 13 11:08:02 dont forget the samsung 360 Oct 13 11:08:16 als normal linux os, dbus for copmms, x11 for windowing system Oct 13 11:08:30 march of the "real linux phones" is beginning Oct 13 11:08:32 Yes - I mean that's intended to be open to the user Oct 13 11:08:42 for example - n900 you get root Oct 13 11:09:02 if only you could charge the battery :) Oct 13 11:09:03 woot! Oct 13 11:09:10 There are unfortunate noises being made about DRM and such for the next version, but... Oct 13 11:09:21 raster: moinmoin. Nah, Nokia postponed shipping date to 10/30 Oct 13 11:09:22 drm for what tho? Oct 13 11:09:34 DocScrutinizer: booo! (monin btw) Oct 13 11:09:46 raster: signed kernel/apps/... toallow for branding, and 'security' Oct 13 11:10:01 Nokia loaned some n900 to KDE developper, but it's not the regular phone you could buy Oct 13 11:10:19 SpeedEvil: well io guess that depends in the end. if they sell the full-retail-from-nokia one without drm and the one subsidised by telcos with.. i dont mind Oct 13 11:10:27 i'll just buy the full retail one Oct 13 11:11:06 In hte UK, htere are people offering it on 45 quid 12 month contracts - independant phone shops Oct 13 11:11:28 damn. thats not bad Oct 13 11:11:31 they get a kick-back for the contract they sell with the phone, htat they then apply to the phone to reduce the price Oct 13 11:11:31 no Oct 13 11:11:57 well 45x12... is just 40quid over the uk retail price Oct 13 11:12:03 and with that u ALSO got phone service Oct 13 11:12:12 Add to the annoying fact that you simply can't buy contracts with no phone for the same price as that. Oct 13 11:12:14 yeah Oct 13 11:12:37 as longas after 12 months the phone is mine to do with as i please etc. Oct 13 11:13:04 yes - but after that - you're still paying 30/mo or so for connectivity equal to the 45. Oct 13 11:13:06 which sucks. Oct 13 11:13:38 SpeedEvil: I really am buffled every time I hear about other countries insane contract policies Oct 13 11:13:43 sure Oct 13 11:13:48 but then u can switch as contract is up Oct 13 11:14:14 raster: yes - but there is no internet + voice plan at under 30 quid/mo. Oct 13 11:14:58 sure Oct 13 11:15:18 but thats the same with or without a locked phone Oct 13 11:16:03 not quite - with a locked phone, you'd typically be building up 'credit' towards a phone upgrade. Oct 13 11:16:21 true Oct 13 11:16:47 so you choose to lock yourself to the telco in return for candy Oct 13 11:17:15 hey guys, I'd think that's *all* just credit-contracts with really poor conditions Oct 13 11:17:49 in the end tyhe phone costs $x Oct 13 11:18:00 chances arer the telco can buy it for $x -$y Oct 13 11:18:07 maybe 30% off, 40% off Oct 13 11:18:23 ok. so now l3ets say a $500 phone is now $300 Oct 13 11:18:32 I've investigated the UIK market pretty thouroughly alas. You don't get cheaper than the contract rate if you're using a reasonable amount of data - say 500M-1G/mo Oct 13 11:18:33 the telco spend $300 on you. they WILL want that back somehow Oct 13 11:18:38 WITH interest Oct 13 11:18:46 otherwise the telco is just losing money hand over fist Oct 13 11:18:49 at least here in Germany you *always* save money on buying the device and get a really good barebones contract for GSM-carrier Oct 13 11:19:16 DocScrutinizer-8: net shlecht Oct 13 11:19:22 but each ountry varies i guess Oct 13 11:19:31 based on its laws and just how customers work Oct 13 11:19:55 i bet you the germans are overall much more business-minded about their phones and making sure they get a good deal - doing the math etc. Oct 13 11:20:21 i really wish providers would give up with these bloody caps Oct 13 11:20:41 "on the $49 cap you get $500 worth of calls, texts and 200gb of data!" Oct 13 11:20:56 and yes they dont advertise their per-minute call rates anymore Oct 13 11:20:58 they used to Oct 13 11:21:20 why dont they just go "$49 get u $49 worth of calls+sms" Oct 13 11:21:22 and then list Oct 13 11:21:35 "call rate $0.10/minute, sms's $0.10" etc, etc, Oct 13 11:22:14 here you get prepaid that's exactly that Oct 13 11:22:24 thats how it should be Oct 13 11:22:42 here too. Oct 13 11:22:51 so i can see telco a charges me $0.10/m telco b is $0.15 per min but data rates are half of telco a's Oct 13 11:22:53 But prepaid sucks if you want data Oct 13 11:23:09 yeah Oct 13 11:23:14 i'm on a $0 account Oct 13 11:23:14 SpeedEvil: not here anymore Oct 13 11:23:23 one awseom bit about optus.. $0 accounts. Oct 13 11:23:33 make no calls, no sms's - just receive and it costs u $0 Oct 13 11:23:39 no limits Oct 13 11:23:45 I get a 5GB "flatrate" for EUR 25/month Oct 13 11:23:45 -that's the norm here Oct 13 11:23:47 but data u charge thru the nose. Oct 13 11:23:54 (though you need to call once every 90 days) Oct 13 11:24:06 (and 1 day of internet is 1-2 pounds on 3G Oct 13 11:24:07 SpeedEvil: not on mine. i lived in japan for 4 years on this acocunt Oct 13 11:24:22 i used it maybe every 1-2 years when i came back to au to visit Oct 13 11:24:22 :) Oct 13 11:24:41 but despite my awseom acocunt... i had to add data Oct 13 11:24:47 so for $10/mo i get 200mb. Oct 13 11:24:52 thats more than i need, so i'm happy. Oct 13 11:25:03 but at least its separate to my voice / sms plan Oct 13 11:25:05 which is good Oct 13 11:25:12 Deeply annoyingly, my telco offers 15/mo for 1G of data. Oct 13 11:25:22 But you can't have voice or SMS witht hat Oct 13 11:25:24 err Oct 13 11:25:32 15 - for 1G - that doesn't expire I mean Oct 13 11:25:49 not bad Oct 13 11:26:05 i am just waiting for the day its all just data Oct 13 11:26:08 and u pay for your data Oct 13 11:26:13 voice, sms - its all data. Oct 13 11:26:19 and then prices get silly Oct 13 11:26:22 like $1 for 10gb Oct 13 11:27:00 * SpeedEvil gets out of bath. Oct 13 11:27:17 PANTS ON! Oct 13 11:27:27 Now, yes. Oct 13 11:27:40 SpeedEvil: I pay EUR30/month. From that I get the 5GB-flat, a EUR5 for special calls left. And O2 gives me anothe EUR30 "bonus" on top of it, which I can use for "normal" calls and sms Oct 13 11:27:56 Not bad at all Oct 13 11:28:25 DocScrutinizer-8: thats decent Oct 13 11:28:40 Though these comparisons are misleading somewhat - the cell-towes do cost varying amount sin different countries to upkeep Oct 13 11:29:12 meanwhile that bonus-account is up to 100 and some bucks Oct 13 11:31:28 SpeedEvil: i am wondering why it would cost differently betwene uk and de Oct 13 11:31:33 betwen au and uk definitely Oct 13 11:31:38 au is by far a different land Oct 13 11:31:56 huge with few people - hard to cover.long distances to go to maintain towers etc. Oct 13 11:32:22 mountainous countries like korea will be hard to cover/service too Oct 13 11:32:55 In north korea you don't need 3G - just pictures of the great leader in prominent places. Oct 13 11:33:02 well south korea :) Oct 13 11:33:23 north korea is a wonderful basket case of its own :) Oct 13 11:51:37 DocScrutinizer-8: (led BL efficiency) the guy provided the data in the new mail, i think you might want to look at it. Oct 13 11:51:52 yep Oct 13 11:51:58 thanks Oct 13 11:55:02 (plan B announcement) Oh man, Sean is really great at writing. Oct 13 11:55:08 No sarcasm Oct 13 11:55:19 Perfect style and wording. Oct 13 11:56:48 PaulFertser: (sean) yep. (BL) man, our BL-converter sucks :-/ Oct 13 11:58:46 I suspect L1704, and especially C1764 could use a swap for low-ESR types ;-P Oct 13 12:00:06 DocScrutinizer: as i said earlier, L1704 is some subaru-damn-where's-the-datasheet type Oct 13 12:01:14 * PaulFertser was sure planb was abandoned at the end of August. Oct 13 12:02:53 xaaronc isn't around here? Oct 13 12:02:55 But hell, Sean seem to know how to convince people. At least all his mails sound so well-founded... /me wonders how the hell OM-the-company could suck so much :( Oct 13 12:10:24 PaulFertser: answer to aaron is sent Oct 13 12:16:53 DocScrutinizer: thanks; the guys is doing interesting investigation. It's just he's 2 years late :) Oct 13 12:21:13 http://thewikireader.com/ tries to show some "flash" on its frontpage. Just eww :-/ Oct 13 12:22:12 hmm, not for me Oct 13 12:22:53 spoke my mind on http://rauhala.org/blog/ , though not a very interesting read, really Oct 13 12:23:15 lindi-: oh, sorry, it was about page with that shit. Oct 13 12:27:10 mjr: n900 will be released with proprietary telephony stack but ofono support is planned too (though it'll take them several months). Oct 13 12:31:35 ack, yeah, I heard about that Oct 13 12:41:45 hello all Oct 13 13:07:33 Hi! I want to install QT extended 4.4.3 on my Freerunner, but the links seems to be down. Is there anyone here with the rootfs and kernel image? Oct 13 13:12:34 TeNoVi: guys are working on Qtmoko nowadays Oct 13 13:14:38 PaulFertser, I know. But I still want the old 4.4.3 Oct 13 13:18:16 TeNoVi: 4.4.3 has so many bugs, why you do you want it? Oct 13 13:18:44 TeNoVi: but you can build it from QtMoko GIT Oct 13 13:18:47 radekp, Becouse it is working better on my phone than anything else I have tried Oct 13 13:19:03 TeNoVi: tried QtMoko? Oct 13 13:19:16 radekp, Yes. it is awefully slow Oct 13 13:19:27 TeNoVi: which version? Oct 13 13:19:51 radekp, Hmm. Do not remember. I tried it a cupple of weeks ago Oct 13 13:20:10 Maybe not even two weeks Oct 13 13:20:56 TeNoVi: hmm strange, what was exactly slow? Oct 13 13:22:23 radekp, It did not wake up fast enough. The caller had to call for quite long for me to answer. Also the GUI failed and I had to reboot Oct 13 13:22:58 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r89896d53c999 10/fsogsmd/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fsogsmd: implement org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.Register() Oct 13 13:24:08 TeNoVi: hmm oki, btw you can build QtMoko and make a distribution on top of FSO - that should be definetely faster then 4.4.3 Oct 13 13:24:55 radekp, Hmm... I do not know if I am capable of that. I am not too god with such things yet. Oct 13 13:26:32 TeNoVi: oki Oct 13 13:27:59 radekp, That is one reason for me to ask for the rootfs and kernel files, I guess Oct 13 13:28:52 IIRC 4.4.3 used 2.6.24 kernel and was based on FSO Oct 13 13:29:10 QtMoko now uses 2.6.29 and is based on Debian Oct 13 13:29:55 i dont think that debian/FSO make any difference in resume times Oct 13 13:30:26 and there is no way back to use 2.6.24 Oct 13 13:31:11 maybe i will try to make image based on OpenWrt to see if there is any difference in using different rootfs Oct 13 13:53:30 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r0d111530c887 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/ (atcommands.vala atunsolicited.vala commandqueue.vala): fsogsmd: add +CREG command Oct 13 14:07:13 hi! is it correct that there have been no updates of shr in the last weeks? my opkg is not showing any. Oct 13 14:08:31 only navit is upgrading lately... Oct 13 14:12:09 ok, thats what i am seeing, thanks Oct 13 15:09:09 hi Oct 13 15:23:35 Hi guys, is there anyone who have the time to help me with a problem I'm having with my Neo Freerunner? Oct 13 15:24:22 What is it? Oct 13 15:24:35 Has it become sentient, and started killing giraffes? Oct 13 15:24:42 :p Oct 13 15:25:19 Nah, the problem is that I have screwed up something. Every time I want to start up my Neo Freerunner I need to hold down the AUX+POWER button together and boot from the menu. Oct 13 15:25:32 If I just power it up with the power button it freezes at the openmoko splash. Oct 13 15:25:54 So I can still use my phone but I would like to know how to correct this little problem- Oct 13 15:26:01 . Oct 13 15:27:21 you can reflash it - but I'm not really sure why it might be doing that Oct 13 15:27:49 But what is different from booting up from the menu and doing a regular boot (just power button) ? Oct 13 15:28:11 I did flash my Freerunner with SHR (2.6.28 kernel I think, and a rootfs). Oct 13 15:28:14 aux+power is booting a different bootloader I think Oct 13 15:28:49 Okay, hopefully it's read only :P Oct 13 15:28:57 So I can't screw that up as well :p Oct 13 15:28:57 It is Oct 13 15:29:00 youc an't Oct 13 15:29:00 Good Oct 13 15:29:52 But I read somewhere on the wiki that it's possible to brick your Freerunner, now how could that be possible if you can't screw up that bootloader? Oct 13 15:30:37 If you flash the bootsector over 1000 times, that may mean that you are unable to boot from NAND anymore, and will always need to boot from nOR - with buttons held down Oct 13 15:30:39 that's about it Oct 13 15:30:39 Cause if it's safe to tinker with the regular bootloader then I was thinking of installing Qi or whatever it was called, I read somewhere that It would give some increase in speed. Oct 13 15:30:56 Okay, so nothing to worry about then, nice ^^ Oct 13 15:31:27 you can also brick it with the debug board - but... Oct 13 15:31:43 Luckily I don't have a debug board Oct 13 15:31:45 ^^ Oct 13 15:33:28 Btw, do you happen to any good gps software? I have tried tangoGPS but the downloading of the tile image data is too slow. There must be some alternative good software or some way to download a a whole country as a pack or something (I have looked everything, couldn't find anything). Oct 13 15:34:52 * mstevens is excited about the wikireader! Oct 13 15:36:20 * SpeedEvil isn't. Oct 13 15:36:48 Doesn't run linux, is not a general purpose computer Oct 13 15:37:10 okay, it's a special purpose device, but it has a purpose I want :) Oct 13 15:38:07 Thank you for your help SpeedEvil :) Oct 13 15:38:09 I already tried to set myself a private wikipedia mirror up once and got frustrated waiting for it to reindex Oct 13 15:39:01 a handy readymade decide seems excellent Oct 13 15:39:26 device Oct 13 15:40:32 Speedevil, are you sure it doesn't run linux? (I didn't see an OS mentioned anywhere, maybe it was in an old list mail) Oct 13 15:41:04 eolson: raster was going on about it earlier Oct 13 15:43:05 ho Oct 13 15:43:08 s/ho/hi Oct 13 15:43:13 SpeedEvil, ah ok, I see the scrollback, thanks Oct 13 15:46:55 eolson: it's some japanese OS afaik Oct 13 15:50:13 DocScutinizer, so, not open source, then, I take it? Oct 13 15:51:14 on their website they write they will publish the source 'later today', but... Oct 13 15:53:22 hi Oct 13 15:56:31 * eolson predicts the band (openmoko and former employees) will get back together in 5 years or so and make another linux phone......Wellll, maybe not, but that's how the movie should go. Oct 13 15:58:56 eolson: that's highly unlikely to happen, neither in 5 years nor any other time Oct 13 15:59:21 (opensource) not to the latest news I heard Oct 13 16:00:14 probably you can be happy if you get a linux version of the host update app Oct 13 16:00:54 larsc: duh, where? Oct 13 16:01:10 DocScrutinizer: somewhere Oct 13 16:03:56 seen this: http://openmoko.com/freerunner.html Oct 13 16:03:59 muhaha Oct 13 16:06:23 "Even an extra memory chip was added with an additional operating system." ^^ Oct 13 16:07:45 yeah. Great to learn that now, after we messed around with primary OS for 2 years XD Oct 13 16:08:28 also the list of people involved is somewhat... :-S Oct 13 16:09:00 well, nevermind Oct 13 16:09:32 another indication those times are probably gone forever Oct 13 16:12:03 DocScrutinizer, yeah, I figured they won't get back together, but the openmoko holds value -- mostly in the community and maybe brand name/linux image. If only the managers' "treat employees like crap" were replaced with "give competent employees some freedom". Anyway, I won't be happy with a nokia or similar linux phone, so hopefully some openmoko-like phone comes out in the next few years, and the openmoko/linux community doesn't get fragmented. Pipe Oct 13 16:26:39 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r870b0db103b8 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/ (5 files): fsogsmd: org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.RetrievePhonebook() done Oct 13 16:26:45 PaulFertser, Do have seen the patches? Oct 13 16:28:00 panicking: yes, i have. Sorry, i was a bit busy today to comment. Btw, do you now have a way to reproduce the race in bq27k? I tried to reproduce but failed. Oct 13 16:28:44 PaulFertser, I don't know why is so import to reproduce it because the race exists and must be fix Oct 13 16:28:58 I have seen in the past and my system crash Oct 13 16:29:12 Now I have no crash Oct 13 16:29:22 and seems that I read stable battery value Oct 13 16:29:26 from sysfs Oct 13 16:30:22 The suspend/resume of the accelerometer must be push in andy-kernel Oct 13 16:30:45 panicking: sport interest Oct 13 16:30:55 could someone explain what I should do for my incoming calls (+out in phonelog) to be recognized as contacts and not numbers? Oct 13 16:31:02 I'm using shr-u Oct 13 16:31:17 panicking: are you sure we should still care about andy-tracking branch? Shouldn't we better concentrate on new stuff? Oct 13 16:31:33 Yes, but a lot of people use the andy-tracking kernel Oct 13 16:31:43 so we can push there too Oct 13 16:31:59 How much is stable the latest kernel? Oct 13 16:32:07 panicking: it seems to be very stable. Oct 13 16:32:36 Yes but the accelerometer problem was a big issue Oct 13 16:32:55 and nobady report it Oct 13 16:33:11 Only on android distrib we find a big slow down Oct 13 16:33:22 panicking: i just would like to understand why were you able to reproduce bq27k issue so easily and i can't. Just curiosity (an opportunity to learn). Oct 13 16:33:40 I think that is the history: Oct 13 16:33:59 - we introduce the syncronization Oct 13 16:34:03 of the event change Oct 13 16:34:08 cancel and schedule Oct 13 16:34:10 tasklet Oct 13 16:34:17 so we remove the 5 second delay Oct 13 16:34:20 good thing Oct 13 16:34:27 panicking: i'm ok with pushing RFC patch v2 for accelerometer resume path to andy-tracking. Oct 13 16:34:46 so android read the sysfs Oct 13 16:34:56 very often maybe an in unpredfictable way Oct 13 16:35:00 so it is possible Oct 13 16:35:05 to have read on sysfs Oct 13 16:35:13 and worker running Oct 13 16:35:27 I tried to read sysfs very often continiously too. Oct 13 16:36:29 the only value that can raise problem Oct 13 16:36:36 are the string Oct 13 16:36:44 because the other are number Oct 13 16:37:03 so just create somenting that read string value Oct 13 16:37:13 panicking: i was running my test program | grev -v Timer Oct 13 16:37:44 ok Oct 13 16:37:44 what value do you read Oct 13 16:37:44 ? Oct 13 16:37:44 <7>bq27000-battery bq27000-battery.0: Timeout reading value update_hdq_read16 Oct 13 16:37:44 <7>bq27000-battery bq27000-battery.0: Timeout reading value update_hdq_read16 Oct 13 16:37:44 <7>bq27000-battery bq27000-battery.0: Timeout reading value update_hdq_read16 Oct 13 16:37:44 <6>HDQ responds again Oct 13 16:37:44 <3>HDQ error: 1 Oct 13 16:37:44 <7>bq27000-battery bq27000-battery.0: Timeout reading value update_hdq_read16 Oct 13 16:37:45 <7>bq27000-battery bq27000-battery.0: Timeout reading value update_hdq_read16 Oct 13 16:37:47 <7>bq27000-battery bq27000-battery.0: Timeout reading value update_hdq_read16 Oct 13 16:37:49 <7>bq27000-battery bq27000-battery.0: Timeout reading value update_hdq_read16 Oct 13 16:37:52 panicking: no value at all, the output was blank (every string was Timer expired) Oct 13 16:37:53 <7>bq27000-battery bq27000-battery.0: Timeout reading value update_hdq_data Oct 13 16:37:55 <7>bq27000-battery bq27000-battery.0: Timeout reading value update_hdq_data Oct 13 16:37:57 other thing this is not so unfrequent Oct 13 16:38:37 panicking: as to the bq27000 branch, i'm yet unsure about it, probably we should modify 27x00 driver instead. Oct 13 16:39:01 Yes I know, but I don't know nothing about this hdq Oct 13 16:39:04 stuff Oct 13 16:39:15 what is exacly and why it is connect using a FIQ Oct 13 16:39:17 interrupt Oct 13 16:40:36 panicking: too strict requirements for timing, Andy decided that only fiq can provide those. I'm not sure how to do it properly anyway. Oct 13 16:41:27 panicking: hdq is one-wire communication protocol Oct 13 16:41:40 ok Oct 13 16:41:49 panicking: also i can't understand why you prefer to modify a function rather than wrapping it. Oct 13 16:44:42 because there are a few return stantament Oct 13 16:44:49 and not so much Oct 13 16:44:55 but is not a problem Oct 13 16:44:58 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r6c042a2a7223 10/fsogsmd/ (6 files in 3 dirs): fsogsmd: bump version to 0.1.0.0 Oct 13 16:44:59 to wrap the function Oct 13 16:45:02 I can do it Oct 13 16:45:14