**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 05 02:59:56 2009 Nov 05 03:30:38 wow -- 193 Nov 05 04:36:32 slipping away Nov 05 10:40:33 ROFL http://guckes.soup.io/post/27732204/GSM-vs-Android Nov 05 10:41:30 hehe Nov 05 11:48:34 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r0db10fd75c6f 10/ (11 files in 11 dirs): all: bump Vala requirement and enable silent automake rules, if available Nov 05 11:49:11 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * r7f271311e2e0 10/configure.ac: enable silent rules, if available Nov 05 11:49:17 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710 * rcd564c8782f0 10/configure.ac: enable silent rules, if available Nov 05 11:49:29 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * re81ed512ec86 10/configure.ac: enable silent rules, if available Nov 05 11:49:43 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-gpsd * r39e810899110 10/configure.ac: enable silent rules, if available Nov 05 11:49:57 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-monitord * rb4ae1e9b10e7 10/configure.ac: enable silent rules, if available Nov 05 11:50:18 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * rd07db4fbd24c 10/configure.ac: enable silent rules, if available Nov 05 11:50:51 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libfso-glib * r3630315a498f 10/configure.ac: enable silent rules, if available Nov 05 11:51:04 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-term * raa0b9c26dee3 10/configure.ac: enable silent rules, if available Nov 05 11:51:23 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07vala-dbus-binding-tool * r324a78c0cab4 10/configure.ac: enable silent rules, if available Nov 05 11:51:32 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07vala-terminal * r932285d72e26 10/configure.ac: enable silent rules, if available Nov 05 13:32:43 morning Nov 05 13:35:20 Morning Nov 05 14:38:02 morning Nov 05 14:41:31 morning Nov 05 15:03:42 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * raf5003242527 10/libfsobasics/fsobasics/smartkeyfile.vala: libfsobasics: debug-- Nov 05 16:05:07 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rc11d416fb949 10/fsogsmd/src/3rdparty/smsutil.c: fsogsmd: 3rdparty: sanitize sms_text_prepare() by creating structures on the heap Nov 05 16:05:08 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r6259faf55cfb 10/fsogsmd/src/3rdparty/smsutil.c: Nov 05 16:05:08 freesmartphone.org: Revert "fsogsmd: 3rdparty: sanitize sms_text_prepare() by creating structures on the heap" Nov 05 16:05:08 freesmartphone.org: This reverts commit 939cc6abf46c485cad7104b9d49b59b029e4a394. Nov 05 16:05:09 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r48726ef22a0c 10/fsogsmd/ (6 files in 3 dirs): fsogsmd: add unit tests for encoding SMSes Nov 05 17:12:59 apt: seen paicking Nov 05 17:13:06 apt: seen panicking Nov 05 17:13:12 i haven't seen 'paicking', pieterc Nov 05 17:13:14 panicking was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 1d 20h 58m 56s ago, saying: 'yes but ask to the and2moko channel'. Nov 05 17:24:57 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rb73e92d51341 10/libfsoframework/configure.ac: libfsoframework: d'oh! 0.2.3 is actually a smaller number than 0.2.3.1 Nov 05 17:47:04 heelo folks Nov 05 17:47:07 *hello Nov 05 17:47:38 might somebody have a clue why I don't see my openmoko in ifconfig, though I modprobed the two modules from the wiki? Nov 05 17:48:12 Zeti: try looking in dmesg, before/after unplugging as well - see if it's even detecting anything Nov 05 17:49:24 nope nothing Nov 05 17:49:53 lsusb has it though Nov 05 17:50:13 hmm.. there should at least be a "device connected" or similar, if it's in lsusb Nov 05 17:50:55 argh Nov 05 17:50:59 dmesg |tail -f Nov 05 17:51:05 doesn't update Nov 05 17:51:06 -_- Nov 05 17:51:13 ok Nov 05 17:51:16 dmesg has it now as well Nov 05 17:52:01 hmm Nov 05 17:52:11 -a brings it also up in ifconfig Nov 05 17:52:25 my wits are on vacation seemingly Nov 05 18:04:51 yaaaaaaaa Nov 05 18:05:56 <|Marco|> narf ? Nov 05 18:09:07 which package does the binary ip belong to? Nov 05 18:11:23 apt-file to find Nov 05 18:11:36 i need it for my host Nov 05 18:11:47 i did with iptables Nov 05 18:11:58 but my linux doesn't seem to forward my openmoko to the internet Nov 05 18:25:47 Zeti: ? Nov 05 18:45:05 zeti which os is on your freerunner Nov 05 18:46:50 android shows eth1 here Nov 05 18:48:54 slaxxer, OpenMoko Nov 05 18:49:02 I just got it yesterday and it was preinstalled Nov 05 18:49:13 the actual problem is probably my host not forwarding the packages Nov 05 18:49:34 might be a kernel module missing or me using ifconfig instead of ip Nov 05 18:49:36 IÄm not sure Nov 05 18:50:34 Zeti: ifconfig uses the same kernel interfaces in the end. Nov 05 18:50:48 Zeti: check ip_forward setting on the host. Nov 05 18:50:57 Zeti: and inspect your iptables rules Nov 05 18:51:37 is POSTROUTING a table on its own? Nov 05 18:52:08 Zeti: no, "nat", "filter" "mangle" are tables Nov 05 18:52:25 Zeti: POSTROUTING is a chain Nov 05 18:52:33 im taking for granted that u have rebooted atleast once then Nov 05 18:53:30 are u using an older linux? Nov 05 18:53:30 lindi-, yes I mean chain Nov 05 18:53:44 INPUT FORWARD and OUTPUT are the only ones Nov 05 18:54:00 so I assume I haven't enabled that part of the module in my kernel settings Nov 05 18:54:23 Zeti: POSTROUTING is in the nat table. Nov 05 18:56:01 I see Full NAT in my menuconfig Nov 05 18:56:06 and it's a module Nov 05 18:56:11 POSTROUTING is also in 'mangle' Nov 05 18:58:32 modprobe nf_nat didn't do it Nov 05 18:59:45 lindi-: yes but it's not something he's looking for :) Nov 05 19:43:40 PaulFertser, you got a clue how to get that routing running? Nov 05 19:44:10 Zeti: first of all, check your nat table and ensure you have ip_forward enabled. Nov 05 19:45:50 ip_forward is 1 Nov 05 19:45:59 where do I find the nat table? Nov 05 19:47:01 iptables -t nat -L -v Nov 05 19:47:49 it has three rules from me entering three times the command from the wiki Nov 05 19:48:57 Zeti: are counters 0? Nov 05 19:49:53 4/6 are zero Nov 05 19:50:05 that means there went some traffic through that rule I suppose Nov 05 19:50:44 I still can't ping my rputer from the phone though Nov 05 19:51:31 Zeti: pastebin me "ifconfig -a; route; iptables -t nat -L -v; iptables -L -v" from your host. Nov 05 19:51:50 (yes, i still can't remember "ip" syntax by heart :-/) Nov 05 19:53:55 there is some foreign language in there Nov 05 19:54:00 feel free to ask me for translations Nov 05 19:54:52 Zeti: ok, give me link :) Nov 05 19:55:22 I noticed it to you Nov 05 19:55:34 2min ago Nov 05 19:55:36 mom Nov 05 19:55:37 Zeti: (foreign language) hehe, it's not like i use my native all the time Nov 05 19:55:45 I'll make a query Nov 05 19:55:47 Zeti: see that Nov 05 19:55:54 Zeti: i meant i see the linke Nov 05 19:56:00 ah Nov 05 19:56:05 now you got it twice Nov 05 19:56:45 russian I suppose? Nov 05 19:58:53 Zeti: yes Nov 05 19:59:40 Zeti: so you can ping FR from your host and you can ping your host from FR but you can't ping router from FR, right? Nov 05 20:00:10 FR = OPenMoko? Nov 05 20:00:51 I can also ping my hosts other card from the phone if that asys something Nov 05 20:01:12 Zeti: also "sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward" should report "1". Nov 05 20:01:17 Zeti: FreeRunner, yes Nov 05 20:01:27 from my limited knowledge the host isn't forwarding Nov 05 20:01:30 ah Nov 05 20:01:32 makes sense Nov 05 20:01:35 it does btw Nov 05 20:02:13 net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 Nov 05 20:02:50 Zeti: i think i know the reason Nov 05 20:03:58 Zeti: try changing source address in the rule from 192.168.0.0/24 to 192.168.0.202 Nov 05 20:04:58 Zeti: "iptables -t nat -F" beforehand Nov 05 20:06:07 sry Nov 05 20:06:13 can you give me the com plete line? Nov 05 20:06:58 Zeti: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -s 192.168.0.202 -j MASQUERADE Nov 05 20:07:00 I guess Nov 05 20:07:33 nope Nov 05 20:07:36 still no ping Nov 05 20:08:27 Zeti: what about counters? I'd also try tcpdump on host on both usb0 and eth0 interfaces, it should make it clear what's going on Nov 05 20:09:25 still only the one counter from before Nov 05 20:09:38 I'll install tcpdump Nov 05 20:09:40 gimme a sec Nov 05 20:11:48 Zeti: hm, did you actually flush the table before adding the new rule? Nov 05 20:12:31 ehm no Nov 05 20:13:38 Zeti: only the first rule in the chain that matches the packet is effective, that's how they work Nov 05 20:15:56 nope Nov 05 20:16:05 no routerpinging and no counter increasing Nov 05 20:16:33 Zeti: so do tcpdumping Nov 05 20:16:58 gotta install it first Nov 05 20:21:13 Zeti: i don't like how your subnetworks clash, probably that might give problems but i don't see exactly how yet. You might want to use a stricter mask for usb0, i.e. 255.255.255.252 Nov 05 20:22:58 i already switched to *.224 somewhere in the middle Nov 05 20:23:42 i run quite well with a /30 here Nov 05 20:31:15 ok Nov 05 20:31:20 I'll increase to thirty Nov 05 20:37:46 Zeti: so tcpdump results should show you what's happening, is your host something special that you can't do simple "apt-get install tcpdump"? Nov 05 20:37:58 jep Nov 05 20:38:03 it's gentoo :-) Nov 05 20:38:14 anyway Nov 05 20:38:21 I just encountered one of their blocks Nov 05 20:38:31 *blocking issues Nov 05 20:38:36 * PaulFertser just "broken" his gentoo install by trying to move to modular x.org. Now he has no xorg whatsover and no idea how to install one. Nov 05 20:38:51 emerge? Nov 05 20:39:26 * PaulFertser sees so much x11-libs/blablabla blocks x11-proto/blablabl issues that it doesn't seem to be easy :( Nov 05 20:39:38 PaulFertser, its easy Nov 05 20:39:44 remove all blocking stuff Nov 05 20:39:54 full emerge X is only about 1hour Nov 05 20:39:58 max_posedon: i tried Nov 05 20:40:41 max_posedon: i can't remerge python even and that is needed for the recent gentoolkit Nov 05 20:41:03 I managed to uninstall my coreutils once :-D Nov 05 20:41:05 It's not that i'm that dumb, i just didn't have enough time Nov 05 21:15:46 well doesn't seem to happen today Nov 05 21:16:00 PaulFertser, you're around here sometime tomorrow? Nov 05 21:19:23 Zeti: i hope so Nov 05 21:19:34 Zeti: still problems emerging tcpdump? Nov 05 21:24:36 yes Nov 05 21:24:45 the problem is about emerging qt-core Nov 05 21:25:02 the bug tracker says its not a problem with emerge but paludis which I'm using Nov 05 21:25:09 so I'm a victim of crossfire Nov 05 21:37:06 btw my current status of 2.6.31: it's generally smaller and faster then andy-tracking, i cant resume after suspend, scrolling is not smooth during mouse motion events, havent figured out qvga and glamo acceleration Nov 05 21:37:55 radekp: resume should work... Nov 05 21:38:05 if resume worked i would like to use it daily Nov 05 21:38:08 radekp: with other points you might want to ask larsc Nov 05 21:38:46 PaulFertser: hi, hmm i cant resume it neither with power button nor plugging USB Nov 05 21:40:25 PaulFertser: do you have any idea about the resume? Maybe i am missing something in config? Nov 05 21:40:41 radekp: i'll try that myself in a moment Nov 05 21:41:00 oki, thanks Nov 05 21:41:21 radekp: i assume you do not have a debug board, do you? Nov 05 21:41:34 no i dont :( Nov 05 21:43:54 radekp: confirmed, it doesn't resume here Nov 05 21:44:22 radekp: or not Nov 05 21:44:28 radekp: it responds to pings Nov 05 21:45:24 larsc: did you have any resume problems you fixed? I lack dboard too :( Nov 05 21:49:41 PaulFertser: resume with sd is still broken Nov 05 21:51:00 if you boot from nand it works Nov 05 21:51:29 larsc: ahem, ok Nov 05 21:51:33 for me it does not work from nand Nov 05 21:52:13 for some reason :( Nov 05 21:52:16 oh Nov 05 21:52:19 hm Nov 05 21:53:13 damm. doesn't work for me either **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Nov 05 22:35:36 2009 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 05 22:46:16 2009 Nov 05 22:54:29 so someone mentioned an update that might make Freerunner usable as a normal phone? Nov 05 22:55:29 the updated is called "android" Nov 05 22:55:35 :> Nov 05 22:56:06 ... Nov 05 22:56:17 shr from mrmoko-testing Nov 05 22:56:46 max_posedon: does it work well, then? Nov 05 22:56:54 or are there still some issues? Nov 05 22:56:56 yes for me Nov 05 22:57:06 I had been led to believe Freerunner problems were hardware Nov 05 22:57:07 no? Nov 05 22:57:21 after I switched to new phone* stuff instead ophonekitd.. Nov 05 22:57:34 hm, you know, software is bigger problem than hardware) Nov 05 22:57:54 but software is fixable :) Nov 05 22:58:08 I pay for hardware, not software. Nov 05 22:58:10 hardware is fixable too Nov 05 22:58:21 hardware is only fixable to a very limited extent :/ Nov 05 22:58:25 neo have 4 hardware bugs, 3 of them is fixable Nov 05 22:58:54 and the 4th? Nov 05 22:59:09 and the 4th will make you cry at nights Nov 05 22:59:14 buzz-fix is one of the 3, I presume, and not a complete fix.. Nov 05 22:59:15 Other than that it's ok Nov 05 22:59:20 what is the 4th? Nov 05 22:59:52 buzz-fix, #1024-fix, bass-fix <- fixable Nov 05 23:00:00 glamo bus speed - not fixable Nov 05 23:00:10 is that the slow display thing? Nov 05 23:00:13 wifi firmware - not fixable Nov 05 23:00:28 wifi firmware has a problem? O.o Nov 05 23:00:39 luke-jr, yep, slow display - because of glamo Nov 05 23:00:54 is it really that slow, if I just want it as a phone? Nov 05 23:00:59 wifi firmware.. not unusable, but yes, sometimes will make you cry Nov 05 23:01:01 no video or such Nov 05 23:01:06 15fps Nov 05 23:01:12 may be 10 Nov 05 23:01:20 I used to watch video at 3fps :p Nov 05 23:01:27 luke-jr: i think as a phone it's perfectly ok. Nov 05 23:01:37 luke-jr: but wifi firmware has several confirmed bugs Nov 05 23:01:41 my thoughts are OpenMoko + Pandora Nov 05 23:01:49 luke-jr: that said it still works with most APs Nov 05 23:01:56 why couldn't the firmware be fixed, anyhow? Nov 05 23:02:22 luke-jr: Atheros acts all weird. They do not really admit bugs and do not provide any way to update firmware. Nov 05 23:02:42 ah, not loaded into RAM, but flashed? Nov 05 23:03:14 PaulFertser, how many wifi firmware bugs haven't workarounds? Nov 05 23:03:25 e.g. I remember unbind magick Nov 05 23:03:43 max_posedon: unbind is not magic, it's just how you turn the module off. Nov 05 23:03:46 and at my hope wifi works good, except speed Nov 05 23:04:06 max_posedon: but wifi doesn't work with some APs at all. With some you need to switch it to power-hungry mode. Nov 05 23:04:25 max_posedon: and in some circumstances wifi firmware asserts and crashes even. Nov 05 23:05:16 what are the differences between the first Freerunner and A7? Nov 05 23:05:25 I know A6->A7 includes buzz fix, but what else? Nov 05 23:05:44 nothing? Nov 05 23:05:51 well, what changed from original to A6? Nov 05 23:05:56 luke-jr: not many. A5 lacks capacitor and can't boot without battery, also it's aux LED driver consumes ~50mA. :) Nov 05 23:06:05 its Nov 05 23:06:52 Other minor stuff. BTW, A7 has 4.7uF capacitors so bass is a bit better there. Nov 05 23:07:11 so A7 still needs bass/1024 fixes? Nov 05 23:07:15 luke-jr: btw, buzz is not fixed for wired headset in any model. Nov 05 23:07:27 luke-jr: correct Nov 05 23:07:56 PaulFertser: I can live without wired headset I think :) Nov 05 23:08:03 or at least, Pandora has a working one Nov 05 23:08:22 some company's site says 1024/bass fixes are impractical for most people... true? Nov 05 23:08:45 luke-jr: if you want to listen to the music with wired headphones i think bass fix is mandatory. Nov 05 23:09:06 ... I thought you just said wired headphones were unfixable at this time? :p Nov 05 23:09:21 luke-jr: and 1024 fix gives you 2x suspend time. Nov 05 23:09:38 luke-jr: wired headset has unfixable buzz if you want to use it for GSM calls. Nov 05 23:09:40 so, only buzz fix really important Nov 05 23:10:02 is 1024 fix doable by a software nerd? Nov 05 23:10:30 luke-jr: it depends on soldering experience only Nov 05 23:10:44 I've done soldering, but I'm rather inaccurate Nov 05 23:10:49 my hands shake too much :p Nov 05 23:11:04 luke-jr: have you ever done SMT soldering? Nov 05 23:11:37 SMT? Nov 05 23:11:49 luke-jr: yes, with small planar components. Nov 05 23:12:54 no idea what that means Nov 05 23:14:46 luke-jr: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface-mount_technology Nov 05 23:15:11 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07phonesim * rfb11aa7e9b12 10/modems/generic.xml: add mandatory \r\n before sending continuation characters '> ' **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Nov 06 02:59:57 2009