**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 06 02:59:57 2009 Nov 06 05:30:01 so whats the word on shr now? Nov 06 05:30:18 im ready for a new image Nov 06 05:30:53 maybe panicking will have an android2 image here shortly Nov 06 05:32:56 read the shr list, they gave a couple updates. Said should hopefully be done building tonight, but lots of detail on th eml Nov 06 05:33:04 also forwarded to community Nov 06 08:04:23 morning Nov 06 09:28:27 hi, i have noticed problems with gprs connection, connection is very slow and after a few minutes it disconnects. Someone recommended me to flash newer gsm firmware. I have this version: "GSM: gsm_ac_gp_fd_pu_em_cph_ds_vc_cal35_ri_36_amd8_ts0-Moko11", is there any other revision which is better? Nov 06 09:30:12 joejoe: afaik that's the latest one Nov 06 09:34:34 [SHR-U/'Today'] The 'SHR Today application keeps nagging me about 38 missed calls that I have. Is there a way to clear this log? Nov 06 14:14:12 is there a kernel for SHR or Debian on GTA02 that does not have the WSOD bug on resume? Nov 06 14:19:44 pabs3: wsod is a symptom. it can be caused by X drivers too Nov 06 16:11:05 hi, am trying to build stuff from shr/merge branch but my console keeps hanging here, Initialized empty Git repository in /home/sudharsh/Projects/openembedded/downloads/git/anongit.freedesktop.org.git.mesa.mesa/.git/ Nov 06 16:11:13 anyone know whatsup? Nov 06 17:35:25 anyone can recommend a simple messaging protocol for a home network? Nov 06 17:35:32 where neo would be a client Nov 06 17:35:47 i.e. sms comes to my router and gets send to neo Nov 06 17:36:07 email comes and neo get's either a notify or subject of the email Nov 06 17:36:44 vanous123: yes, XMPP link local :-) Nov 06 17:36:55 hey, man Nov 06 17:36:57 :) Nov 06 17:37:08 would have to run local xmpp server? Nov 06 17:38:26 http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0174.html Nov 06 17:38:46 no, it's based on Avahi/Bonjour Nov 06 17:40:08 i see Nov 06 17:59:04 good evening Nov 06 17:59:13 PaulFertser, I've got tcpdump compiled now Nov 06 18:00:22 Zeti: hey Nov 06 18:00:26 Zeti: nice. Nov 06 18:00:38 Zeti: and i almost fixed my gentoo installation too, thanks to max_posedon :) Nov 06 18:00:46 :-D Nov 06 18:01:40 I tried tcpdump -i usb0 unsuccessfully already Nov 06 18:01:57 apart from that I've got everything set up except for the iptables Nov 06 18:07:12 PaulFertser, still there? Nov 06 18:08:01 Zeti: yep Nov 06 18:08:36 you were kinda silent Nov 06 18:08:45 still working on your gentoo? Nov 06 18:09:44 Zeti: nope. I'm willing to help you but you stopped providing any details. Nov 06 18:10:13 Zeti: you're supposed to start tcpdump on host for both usb0 and eth0 and then try to ping from FR your router. Nov 06 18:10:26 Zeti: of course, with iptables rules in place and forwarding enabled. Nov 06 18:12:05 I tried tcpdump -i usb0 unsuccessfully already Nov 06 18:12:46 either tcpdump doesn't like the usb interface, I'm lacking some kind of debug module or simply not using tcpdump properly Nov 06 18:13:24 tcpdump: Can't open USB bus file /sys/kernel/debug/usbmon/0t: No such file or directory Nov 06 18:13:47 eth0 is running properly Nov 06 18:14:04 Zeti: ok, do you see _anything_ an eth0 while pinging router from FR Nov 06 18:14:20 my eth0 is quite busy Nov 06 18:14:31 and I still have to set up the iptables Nov 06 18:14:43 shall I use your rule from yesterday or the one from the wiki? Nov 06 18:15:00 Zeti: my rule, of course ;) Nov 06 18:15:11 Zeti: and i suggest using proper netmask Nov 06 18:15:33 Zeti: (busy eth0) then ask tcpdump to show only icmp Nov 06 18:16:19 arg Nov 06 18:16:23 openmoko shut down Nov 06 18:16:53 255.255.255.224 <-? Nov 06 18:17:03 xchat didn't log the session yesterday Nov 06 18:17:05 dunno why Nov 06 18:17:52 Zeti: here tcpdump for usb interface works Nov 06 18:17:59 Zeti: .252 Nov 06 18:18:03 Zeti: /30 Nov 06 18:19:54 yes Nov 06 18:20:09 openmoko show down so the interface was off unexpectedly Nov 06 18:20:20 you got the iptables rule from yesterday in your log or so? Nov 06 18:21:00 but still no tcpdump on usb0 Nov 06 18:21:03 same error as before Nov 06 18:24:10 Zeti: is the interface up? Nov 06 18:24:28 23:07 < PaulFertser> Zeti: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -s 192.168.0.202 -j MASQUERADE Nov 06 20:14:16 what is the recommended shr version? Nov 06 20:14:23 the one from the title? Nov 06 20:15:25 the one prefixed with "Recommended SHR:"? Nov 06 20:15:59 I just saw many newer files in this folder Nov 06 20:16:11 so I wondered if the recommendation is still up to date Nov 06 20:56:25 I get lots of "uncorrectable error" when booting Nov 06 20:56:53 and the boot screen interrupts Nov 06 20:57:50 Zeti2: were you able to connect to the internet in the end? Or did you decide to update first? Btw, beware, with modern distros you'll get eth1 on host. Nov 06 20:58:27 PaulFertser, setting the openmoko to 192.168.1.2 and configuring iptables as well as usb0 appropriately did it Nov 06 20:59:41 Zeti2: hm, so apparently subnets clash was harmful, i think i told you that that's possible. I still wonder why exactly it didn't work though. Nov 06 21:00:04 well it did Nov 06 21:04:58 Zeti2: it did work? Nov 06 21:05:15 I could ping google.de Nov 06 21:05:16 so yes Nov 06 21:05:26 now I'm gonna bring shr into the web Nov 06 21:05:30 for updates and stuff Nov 06 21:08:22 Zeti2: if it did work why did you change subnets then? Nov 06 21:08:28 no Nov 06 21:08:30 255.255.255.0 Nov 06 21:09:01 Zeti2: apparently with this mask 192.168.1.2 and 192.168.0.200 are in different subnets so it means you changed subnets, no? Nov 06 21:09:19 oh come on Nov 06 21:09:20 so sshd Nov 06 21:09:22 -- Nov 06 21:09:33 how do you change orientation in shr btw? Nov 06 21:11:41 ah dropbear is sshd Nov 06 21:12:50 Zeti2: it's in that top left corner menu somewhere Nov 06 21:14:35 which port is running dropbear on? Nov 06 21:14:51 22? Nov 06 21:15:01 that's the default for ssh Nov 06 21:15:31 dropbear is running and I can't connect from my host Nov 06 21:15:40 a bit confusing now Nov 06 21:16:25 why not Nov 06 21:16:35 you can check with netstat, btw Nov 06 21:21:18 ok rotating froze my screen Nov 06 21:21:22 I shouldn't do that Nov 06 21:29:17 tg, I don't see how nestat would show that Nov 06 21:29:30 netstat -nplt Nov 06 21:29:32 for example Nov 06 21:29:53 invalid option p :-P Nov 06 21:30:07 yeah that's a dump netstat then Nov 06 21:30:13 you can skip it Nov 06 21:30:24 ok Nov 06 21:30:27 port 22 is up Nov 06 21:30:40 hey all Nov 06 21:30:53 that's good Nov 06 21:31:17 so you should be able to connect to it Nov 06 21:31:17 I wanna install a light resource, finger friendly debian distro on my usd Nov 06 21:31:22 any suggestions? Nov 06 21:31:24 are you trying it through usb? Nov 06 21:31:32 yes Nov 06 21:31:35 how's h1 rc5? Nov 06 21:31:49 Zeti2: can you ping it? Nov 06 21:32:14 sorry, rev5 Nov 06 21:32:58 yes Nov 06 21:33:40 Zeti2: and what did netstat say about listen address, is it 0.0.0.0? Nov 06 21:34:16 *.0.202 Nov 06 21:34:19 completely wrong Nov 06 21:35:36 if it's the ip you're trying to connect to it's ok Nov 06 21:35:43 i think that's the default Nov 06 21:35:54 no Nov 06 21:36:05 I connect to 192.168.1.2 Nov 06 21:36:11 i changed frs ip Nov 06 21:36:14 ah ok Nov 06 21:36:17 so I can reach the internet Nov 06 21:36:22 then you should change dropbear config too Nov 06 21:36:32 /etc/default/dropbear Nov 06 21:36:33 /etc/dropbear/ is wrong Nov 06 21:36:39 only one file with the key there Nov 06 21:40:24 finally Nov 06 21:40:29 had to restart dropbear Nov 06 21:45:02 yup Nov 06 21:49:24 apt: seen panicking Nov 06 21:49:28 panicking was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 3d 1h 35m 10s ago, saying: 'yes but ask to the and2moko channel'. Nov 06 22:17:00 is a dependency error in the official repos rare or worth of reporting? Nov 06 22:17:54 *and worth reporting Nov 06 22:17:56 -_- Nov 06 22:18:28 hey, quick question: is Android gnu/linux or just linux? Nov 06 22:19:54 hi Nov 06 22:21:20 pieterc: android is just linux Nov 06 22:21:29 pieterc: with additional useless kernel parts Nov 06 22:21:34 pieterc: how exactly do you define gnu/linux? I'd be surprised if andoid doesn't have some fsf/gnu components above and beyond the kernal... Nov 06 22:21:46 pieterc: and non-standard everything userland Nov 06 22:21:47 The libc is BSD Nov 06 22:21:54 kind of Nov 06 22:24:13 pieterc: See http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2009/11/04/#20091104-android_mythbusters and the linked PDF for all the gory details Nov 06 22:24:46 The stock 2.4 kernel could actually do useful stuff on its own Nov 06 22:24:53 it could be configured as a router Nov 06 22:24:59 ^^^ Nov 06 22:25:14 but 2.6 panics when init exits Nov 06 22:25:32 any technical reason for that behaviour? Nov 06 22:25:52 Not that I'm aware of Nov 06 22:26:19 besides the reasons for dell pcs not running with supplys from other brands Nov 06 22:26:56 or SAP still using java 1.4 Nov 06 22:27:50 TobiX: yes indeed, I saw that blogpost yet Nov 06 22:28:01 TobiX: I needed to be sure before correcting someone :p Nov 06 22:30:13 The libc is pretty limited (aka. retarded), no SysV IPC for example... I don't think they have much command line tools and even if, they probably use busybox, so I'm pretty sure there are not many (if any) GNU tools on Android Nov 06 22:30:38 busybox is not gnu? Nov 06 22:30:50 i don't have a browser available Nov 06 22:30:54 so I cannot use wiki Nov 06 22:33:18 lynx Nov 06 22:33:54 netcat Nov 06 22:34:49 Zeti2: BusyBox is GPLed and emulates the behavior of the GNU toolchain, but it is not a GNU project Nov 06 22:36:42 ok thx Nov 06 22:46:00 can you make shr not boot with root and/or ask for a password when booting/unlocking? Nov 06 23:20:33 shr images? Nov 06 23:21:11 ? Nov 06 23:25:40 ? Nov 07 00:39:51 deflkjsdnkjfns23 Nov 07 00:40:09 Sorry. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Nov 07 02:59:57 2009