**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 07 02:59:57 2009 Nov 07 05:46:16 hey, anyone able to join #openmoko-devel? Nov 07 05:46:52 looks to be password protected Nov 07 05:48:00 sudharsh, hmm, i have been hanging out there for a loong time :( Nov 07 05:48:07 oops FAIL :P Nov 07 05:48:14 #openmoko-cdevel Nov 07 05:50:16 mwester, oh hmm... thanks :) Nov 07 10:01:38 has anyone managed to get an nes emulator running at playable speed? Nov 07 11:58:44 hi Nov 07 11:58:49 anyone here understand ARM assembly? Nov 07 12:13:16 jonwil: i do Nov 07 12:14:04 lindi-: Is there anything you can't do? I'm starting to run low on my list of 'things I've not seen lindi- involved in' Nov 07 12:14:27 I am trying to reverse engineer some ARM code Nov 07 12:14:31 from an ARM binary Nov 07 12:14:44 The symbol table says the function is PVFS::Hash(char const*, int) Nov 07 12:14:44 jonwil: hmm, be careful Nov 07 12:14:59 careful about what? Nov 07 12:15:19 jonwil: staying legal and non-tainted Nov 07 12:15:46 Kamping_Kaiser: heh Nov 07 12:16:13 Its a hash algorithim used to turn filenames into hashes (the hashes are stored in an archive type file that this game stores its data in) Nov 07 12:16:43 jonwil: how is this related to openmoko or free software? :/ Nov 07 12:17:15 true, its not, I just asked in places I thought people who knew ARM would hang out Nov 07 12:17:36 :P Nov 07 12:17:52 jonwil: i'm just very careful about touching proprietary stuff, you never know what problems that can cause :) Nov 07 12:18:06 true Nov 07 12:40:19 hmmm, ARM assembly doesnt seem that hard vs x86 Nov 07 12:40:52 I hear its somethign to do with the relative lack of suck in arm vs x86 ;) Nov 07 12:41:56 first confusing thing I see is these instructions with more than 2 operands Nov 07 12:42:04 like adds r2,r1,#0 Nov 07 13:08:58 Kamping_Kaiser: what's wrong with arm asm :) Nov 07 13:09:57 d1b: I dunno, is there anything wrong with it? :) Nov 07 13:10:17 Eh, it's asm? :P Nov 07 13:10:46 what thrashold said :) Nov 07 13:11:13 hehe Nov 07 13:12:48 if only i could understand the alsa states :) Nov 07 13:12:49 hehehe Nov 07 13:13:03 < amboar> ARM is dead easy compared to x86 Nov 07 13:13:04 < amboar> ARM is like a fucking oasis in the desert compared to x86 Nov 07 13:13:04 < amboar> *crawl* *choke* "waaaterrrrr" Nov 07 13:13:09 I got a 2nd opinion on arm asm ;) Nov 07 13:13:36 Kamping_Kaiser: seems easier than alsa hehehe. Nov 07 13:14:23 d1b: hehe Nov 07 13:14:28 mm when is the next SHR release... Nov 07 13:14:38 or should i just upgrade my unstable? Nov 07 13:14:45 dunno, by my FR is working too nicely atm. Nov 07 13:15:35 Kamping_Kaiser: on which distro? Nov 07 13:15:57 d1b: SHR unstable (largely used as a GPS, I can't afford a 2nd sim to get it online :( ) Nov 07 13:16:09 i just ordered a new battery as my current one is totally gone. Nov 07 13:16:19 ouch Nov 07 13:16:30 was cheaper to get from the EU than the US Nov 07 13:16:32 :) Nov 07 13:16:34 d1b: do you flog the device, or the battery life is poor? Nov 07 13:16:47 Kamping_Kaiser: 30 mins of wifi -> DEAD Nov 07 13:16:58 i have used it as a phone for a while now. Nov 07 13:17:04 it ias been to vietnam etc. Nov 07 13:17:06 has* Nov 07 13:17:15 so it is time for a new battery. Nov 07 13:17:32 fair effort. I've not tried wifi on it Nov 07 13:17:44 oh. Nov 07 13:17:53 only ever used usb networking. (wifi has been enabled at times, but not "used" in any serious sense) Nov 07 13:18:02 also the "chart / discharge" when plugged in sucks. Nov 07 13:18:10 orly. Nov 07 13:18:15 i prefer wifi to usb Nov 07 13:18:24 except when i use it to get netz via gprs. Nov 07 13:19:10 I've largely used usb because it provides power at the same time. I'm thinking of hacking up a charge circuit in my car and enabling the wifi Nov 07 13:19:25 wifi+laptop with wifi+gps+gprs== epic win Nov 07 13:21:12 the "only" problem with laptops (other then being another drain on the cars electric system) is the amount of RF they put out drowning the radio frequencies :( Nov 07 13:21:31 ok. Nov 07 13:21:42 oh.. Nov 07 13:22:11 yes, I have several car projects 'in planning' :) Nov 07 13:23:58 k Nov 07 13:25:01 Kamping_Kaiser: hmm, what are you doing with the laptop in car? Nov 07 13:26:38 lindi-: atm? being annoyed by all the cables. the plan? to do 'some' (osm) gps trailing and or in car navigation Nov 07 13:27:03 lindi-: further down the track (over 12 months down) perhaps some funky ham stuff, if i get my licence upgrades at some point. Nov 07 13:27:05 Kamping_Kaiser: ah, i've done both :) Nov 07 13:27:20 lindi-: hahaha. ref my question before :p Nov 07 13:27:22 Kamping_Kaiser: navit works in both my laptop and phone Nov 07 13:28:18 Navit on my laptop worked ok, except the zoom in/out markers 'didnt show'. the default gui for navit on the FR drives me nuts. i can't get the darn thing to configure (or do proper routing) Nov 07 13:28:22 Kamping_Kaiser: we just connected the audio to the car speakers Nov 07 13:28:42 Kamping_Kaiser: navit configuration is indeed hard :) Nov 07 13:29:25 Kamping_Kaiser: i can throw you navit.xml that works with debian unstable version of navit Nov 07 13:29:50 lindi-: I like navit, but the configuration makes me angry :) not tried jacking the laptop into the car speakers, that comes after anotehr (yes... another...) project i have planned Nov 07 13:30:22 Kamping_Kaiser: you use shr? Nov 07 13:30:23 lindi-: hopefully my config from 0.1.1.somethign~snapshot.foobar still works on whatevers current Nov 07 13:30:37 lindi-: unstable, yes (not updated recently, anotehr todo item) Nov 07 13:30:41 Kamping_Kaiser: navit changes fast Nov 07 13:30:57 lindi-: aye. Nov 07 13:31:21 lindi-: I like navit project. I had a whinge to the dev and < 7 minutes later my bug was fixed Nov 07 13:31:21 Kamping_Kaiser: does it find streets for you? Nov 07 13:31:29 lindi-: sorry, brb Nov 07 13:33:06 lindi-: when i had it on my laptop, it did. the 'freerunner gui' no, i cant figure it out Nov 07 13:33:16 lindi-: partly because it insists its in the USA Nov 07 13:35:20 Kamping_Kaiser: wrong LANG Nov 07 13:35:31 Kamping_Kaiser: you need to set LANG to your country or navit won't find streets :) Nov 07 13:35:40 lindi-: I didn't have an option when setting up the FR :( Nov 07 13:35:54 "LANG=fi_FI navit" Nov 07 13:36:08 is what I have in .icewm/menu Nov 07 13:37:00 hm Nov 07 13:37:10 that would be a step in the right direction Nov 07 13:37:50 Kamping_Kaiser: it's a navit "bug/feature" Nov 07 13:38:13 lindi-: as a rule, I'd consider it a feature. I think the bug is the FR forcing me to have en_US as my locale :( Nov 07 13:38:18 s/FR/SHR Nov 07 13:38:32 Kamping_Kaiser: i also wrote standlone program for searching streets. iki.fi/lindi/osm/osm-search/screenshots Nov 07 13:39:14 that would be a great domain for tcp-over-dns Nov 07 13:39:17 Kamping_Kaiser: since navit does not find streets that are not inside some city border or streets that are somehow incorrectly tagged Nov 07 13:39:47 Kamping_Kaiser: iki.fi does eternal email and web forwarding only :) Nov 07 13:40:26 Kamping_Kaiser: (i.e. their goal is to be around forever so I don't need to change my email address ever) Nov 07 13:40:39 lindi-: thats pretty cool. Nov 07 13:40:55 lindi-: those screenshots are almost enough to make me reconsider my default desktop Nov 07 13:41:24 (I'm a bit moody.... I've not booted Debian on my FR since I switched to QI, and lost the ability to boot it) Nov 07 13:42:31 haven't really polished anything, i just listed the commands I use most often in ~/.icewm/menu Nov 07 13:42:58 and that osm-search is just a few lines of python to do fast searching from an sqlite database Nov 07 13:43:40 One day I'll be one of those people who cascually toss together a python script >.> Nov 07 13:53:20 Kamping_Kaiser: push aux + power on Nov 07 13:53:25 and you get the menu anyways... no Nov 07 13:57:02 d1b: won't boot my SD though. might have to reinstall it :( Nov 07 13:57:46 oh... Nov 07 13:58:03 ext2 / fat32 /foo for boot ? Nov 07 13:58:24 no idea. a debian install that worked with u-boot, which doesn't work now Nov 07 14:12:35 hi! Nov 07 14:13:27 can anyone help me flashing Qi to my freerunner? I always get that error: Opening USB Device 0x0000:0x0000... Nov 07 14:13:27 No such Alternate Setting: "u-boot" Nov 07 15:07:16 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rd15ba1f6a610 10/misc-vapi/stuff/libnl.vala: misc: test for improved libnl binding Nov 07 16:45:36 openmoko: 03daveb * r5708 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (gta02-core-comp.pro wte06016.lib): remove NC pads to prevent ERC complaining. Nov 07 16:45:50 seen panicking Nov 07 16:45:57 apt: seen panicking Nov 07 16:46:00 panicking was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 3d 20h 31m 42s ago, saying: 'yes but ask to the and2moko channel'. Nov 07 16:52:35 openmoko: 03daveb * r5709 10/trunk/gta02-core/pmu.sch: additional power flag to avoid an ERC error. Nov 07 17:32:42 openmoko: 03daveb * r5710 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (cpu.sch memory.sch modem.sch sd-sim.sch): fill in some missing footprints Nov 07 17:53:47 anyone know who maintains dfu-util? i have a one line patch :P Nov 07 18:10:40 so my freerunner stopped turning on Nov 07 18:10:47 its kinda a bummer Nov 07 18:11:09 no matter if it plugged in or not Nov 07 18:11:13 could it be a battery issue? Nov 07 18:11:16 goodwill: Did you do anything to it, and do you own a voltmeter, or a rocket launcher? Nov 07 18:11:23 nothing Nov 07 18:11:26 I did nto thing Nov 07 18:11:35 I did not do a thing Nov 07 18:11:48 did not take it apart or anything Nov 07 18:12:02 is the battery required for it to be turned on Nov 07 18:12:16 It's a FR, not a neo1973? Nov 07 18:12:19 In that case, no Nov 07 18:12:20 a FR Nov 07 18:12:24 First try another cable. Nov 07 18:12:31 With the battery out Nov 07 18:12:34 tried 2 different ones Nov 07 18:12:52 SpeedEvil: gta02 A5 can't boot without battery Nov 07 18:13:23 oops Nov 07 18:13:39 I have one of the earlier models Nov 07 18:13:47 not sure which revision though Nov 07 18:13:50 how do I check Nov 07 18:13:58 A02 Nov 07 18:14:01 thats it Nov 07 18:14:12 wait not Nov 07 18:14:16 wait no Nov 07 18:14:21 how do I check which revision Nov 07 18:15:11 goodwill: if it doesn't boot you can look up the revision on the pcb when you take the front cover off. Nov 07 18:18:18 orry dropped Nov 07 18:18:31 forger booting Nov 07 18:18:35 it does nto even turn on Nov 07 18:19:44 it could be the battery I guess ... I have nto used the moko for some time Nov 07 18:20:18 goodwill: yes, take some charged nokia bl-5c and boot Nov 07 18:20:24 goodwill: connect to usb and then hotswap Nov 07 18:22:21 hmmm this seem to be documented on a wiki Nov 07 18:22:55 goodwill: indeed Nov 07 18:23:13 goodwill: i think soon A6 will be booting without a battery altogether but it's not ready yet. Nov 07 18:23:35 according to the wiki it will soon be fixed Nov 07 18:24:20 goodwill: for A5 never since you need battery to boot or you need to retrofit a good capacitor in a proper place. Nov 07 18:24:44 it fixed in A6 Nov 07 19:03:17 Hello Nov 07 19:04:01 how do i a "Hello World!" in GTK for OpenMoko? Nov 07 19:04:36 same way you do hello world in GTK for anything else Nov 07 19:05:02 but, how I test my Application in Neo1973 in QEMu ? Nov 07 19:05:22 copy it to the phone and run it Nov 07 19:06:25 I use QEMU and I have a some diculty to run my app in OM 2007 in QEMU Nov 07 19:06:31 you have a solution? Nov 07 19:06:45 I'm a newbie Nov 07 19:06:48 yep, run it on the phone Nov 07 19:06:53 no more qemu problems Nov 07 19:07:16 I have'nt a physical phone Nov 07 19:07:21 ah Nov 07 19:07:25 only a virtual provided by QEMU Nov 07 19:07:30 then run it on any version of linux you have handy Nov 07 19:07:43 trimegistus: yes, running in qemu is rather pointless. Nov 07 19:07:54 humm Nov 07 19:08:10 trimegistus: if you want to simulate the full environment just compile it natively and run in a nested X server with 640x480. Nov 07 19:08:43 if OpenMoko had a better emulation... Nov 07 19:09:02 you dont really need emulation Nov 07 19:09:04 linux is linux Nov 07 19:09:07 is linux is linux Nov 07 19:09:08 etc... Nov 07 19:09:14 humm Nov 07 19:09:29 then my GTK Apps for Ubunt run without modification in OpenMoko? Nov 07 19:09:32 trimegistus: why are you guys talking about emulator? what for? Nov 07 19:09:47 trimegistus: yep Nov 07 19:10:09 because I have'nt a physical phone and I'm poor Nov 07 19:10:17 trimegistus: if you mean Openmoko hardware and not openmoko distro Nov 07 19:11:04 if you want to emulate the performance, just yank out 85% if your RAM and short a few of the CPU pins Nov 07 19:11:14 s/if your/of your/ Nov 07 19:11:14 ndnihil meant: if you want to emulate the performance, just yank out 85% of your RAM and short a few of the CPU pins Nov 07 19:11:53 lol Nov 07 19:12:46 * PaulFertser wonders how the hell to determine from a product specs listed for cheap wifi APs if it supports pptp or not :/ Nov 07 19:13:16 the Nov 07 19:13:24 they Nov 07 19:13:39 I trying to call attention of a some bsinessman of my country to OpenMoko Nov 07 19:13:47 doh, I forgot something Nov 07 19:13:49 * ndnihil stabs apt Nov 07 19:14:19 *businessmans Nov 07 19:14:33 but I need show a some results Nov 07 19:14:34 trimegistus: i'm afraid if he doesn't understand gnu/linux and free software then trying to bring attention to OM is useless :( Nov 07 19:15:16 trimegistus: they used to closed solutions, emulator and stuff. They just can not understand that it's almost just like any other pc around: you compile any program for it and it runs. Nov 07 19:15:50 PaulFertser: minus the kernel patches we have :) Nov 07 19:15:58 Well, FP calculations are emulated, hence very slow, x86 asm optimisations and other stuff like that is useless on arm, etc etc. But it's mostly the same. Nov 07 19:16:16 they who? Nov 07 19:16:18 lindi-: talking end-user apps here :) Nov 07 19:16:25 trimegistus: telco businessmen Nov 07 19:16:27 PaulFertser: they who? Nov 07 19:16:39 Ah! ok Nov 07 19:16:58 trimegistus: even nokia doesn't want/can understand what free software is about. Nov 07 19:17:09 trimegistus: you know n770/n800/n810? Nov 07 19:17:26 trimegistus: nokia fucked it up by using quite some proprietary components and an ancient kernel. Nov 07 19:17:49 Oh! bad.. Nov 07 19:18:04 trimegistus: guys who compile mainline kernel for it are SOL because wifi doesn't work, reportedely needing some blob recompiled. So ordinary users are forced to use 2.6.21 Nov 07 19:18:12 OpenMoko isn't a good option for businessmen? Nov 07 19:18:27 hmm. boot loader, kernel, ogsmd and gsm0710muxd are the only non-standard programs on my phone that I haven't written myself I think. Nov 07 19:19:15 trimegistus: first of all, OM is EOL already. It still might be good for some niche purposes but only for those who truly understand free software. And i'd say it's unlikely that this particular device would be a good start for those who doesn't yet but wants to learn. Nov 07 19:20:04 gta02-core is a great phone for those with a spare million or two that they don't want. Nov 07 19:20:13 (but may be interested in investing) Nov 07 19:20:22 EOL? Nov 07 19:20:27 En Of Line? Nov 07 19:20:30 *End Nov 07 19:20:38 yes Nov 07 19:20:49 The company is not developing more phones. Nov 07 19:20:53 At least at the moment. Nov 07 19:20:58 oh and agps-online, fluid.exe, openbmap-logger, triplane, smsl Nov 07 19:20:59 oh! Nov 07 19:21:03 If they make billions fof the wikireader - who knows. Nov 07 19:21:08 OpenMoko is dead? Nov 07 19:21:16 No, it's resting. Nov 07 19:21:23 It's pining for the fjoords. Nov 07 19:21:25 trimegistus: end of life Nov 07 19:21:25 trimegistus: openmoko is three things: hardware, company, distro Nov 07 19:21:50 Oh! OpenMoko is frozen? Nov 07 19:21:52 lindi-: + community! Nov 07 19:21:59 PaulFertser: yeah maybe Nov 07 19:22:36 lindi-: in fact community is the only thing that's not dead atm. OM-the-company that released wikireader is not nearly the same that released gta02. Nov 07 19:22:39 but, what part? Nov 07 19:22:53 PaulFertser: well the hardware can still be bought :) Nov 07 19:23:45 o suporte de software do openMoko ainda está ativo? Nov 07 19:23:55 ops! Nov 07 19:23:56 support software OpenMoko is still active? Nov 07 19:24:06 trimegistus: what does that mean? Nov 07 19:24:25 OpenMoko distro still in development? Nov 07 19:24:54 trimegistus: well, there're several distros in development. All community driven. Nov 07 19:25:36 humm Nov 07 20:01:52 Is there anyone around with the main can unmounted ATM? Or anyone who clearly remembers if there is (and how it looks) any insulation between the top can part and parts on the pcb? I can't see any on my photos: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_bass_fix Nov 07 20:14:51 the piece on top of the lid or underneart? Nov 07 20:15:25 slaxxer: the piece insulationg the top part of the can from parts soldered to the pcb. Nov 07 20:15:53 inside the can or outside the can Nov 07 20:16:14 theres a small pcb mounted to the outside Nov 07 20:16:42 main pcb? Nov 07 20:19:50 i have an A6 in my hand Nov 07 20:20:11 trying to get the lid off Nov 07 20:24:13 slaxxer: dismounting the main can is quite tricky. Nov 07 20:24:27 slaxxer: i do not recommend to do it unless you're going to do something important inside. Nov 07 20:24:37 slaxxer: the link about the bass fix has the pictures. Nov 07 20:24:42 slaxxer: and yes, inside the can. Nov 07 20:24:46 A6 here too. Nov 07 20:25:11 It takes me ~20 min to dismount factory-mounted can. Nov 07 20:25:21 (main can, gsm can is easy, 5-10 min) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Nov 07 21:23:15 2009 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 07 21:23:45 2009 Nov 07 21:49:32 When i told RANJAN that pics are appreciated i didn't mean he should attach them to the ML mails :((( Nov 07 21:50:52 my gsm antenna wont stay on Nov 07 21:50:59 is this i known problem? Nov 07 21:51:12 Using the latest version of S Nov 07 21:51:15 shr Nov 07 21:52:16 glue Nov 07 21:54:58 Jorek: what exactly do you mean? Nov 07 21:55:51 Jorek: gsm antenna should touch the pcb firmly even without screws. With screws it's guaranteed 100% unless you have the pads covered with grease or smth. Nov 07 21:59:36 When i turn it on in the phone settings menu... ts stays on for a couple of secs, then it goes to off... Nov 07 22:00:42 Jorek: you shouldn't turn gsm on/off in the menu, ophonekitd should request it for you. Please read FSO_Resources wikipage to understand this concept. Nov 07 22:00:52 Jorek: then look at ophonekitd errors etc Nov 07 22:10:51 ok Nov 07 22:11:33 in the power menu it says that it couldnt connect to fso or phonekitd. maybe that is a part of the problem... Nov 07 22:13:10 how do i get the latest shr? Nov 07 22:13:24 or is there one? Nov 07 22:14:31 slaxxer, http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/oemerge/images/om-gta02/ Nov 07 22:14:34 very latest) Nov 07 22:15:05 thank u Nov 07 22:15:19 Jorek: so look at the ophonekitd log or start it manually from command line to diagnose... Nov 07 22:17:57 hmmmm... A6 for $90 Nov 07 22:18:02 tempting :) Nov 07 22:18:09 luke-jr: where? Nov 07 22:18:27 somebody really dislike this ugly linux-open world) Nov 07 22:18:57 ebay Nov 07 22:19:03 PaulFertser: if I told you, I might not get it... Nov 07 22:19:06 slaxxer: ($*#($ :( Nov 07 22:19:20 :() Nov 07 22:19:23 luke-jr: :D Nov 07 22:19:34 :|| Nov 07 22:19:44 next time I won't say anything <.< Nov 07 22:20:03 yup Nov 07 22:20:24 95 Nov 07 22:20:33 102.50 Nov 07 22:20:41 5 Nov 07 22:21:10 what to do with a pair of mokos hmmm Nov 07 22:21:25 :/ Nov 07 22:21:27 max_posedon: btw, talking about how nokia is all good and friendly Nov 07 22:21:29 slaxxer: donate one to me? Nov 07 22:21:37 max_posedon: do you want to know a story my friend told me? Nov 07 22:21:41 yes Nov 07 22:21:43 * luke-jr glares at Nokia. Nov 07 22:21:58 but if its still about n810, I'll not change my opinion) Nov 07 22:22:50 but want story anyway) Nov 07 22:23:06 Does it have a kitten in it? Nov 07 22:23:22 max_posedon: he bought a brand-new n810. Was very excited of course. And bought a CF/SD/MS cardreader. That works fine with recent kernels and with windows. But, surprise for you, n810 uses 2.6.21. And n900 doesn't have usb host because they sucked so much that decided to pass some stupid certification and failed. Nov 07 22:24:00 n900 haven't usb host?! Nov 07 22:24:05 n900 may not have USB host. Nov 07 22:24:11 At the least it requires external power Nov 07 22:24:13 they are f...ing morons Nov 07 22:24:23 it's not really clear that it's been tested. Nov 07 22:24:48 Or rather - nobody has come up and said 'I tried it and it diddn't work'. Nov 07 22:25:00 in other case, its nice, right now I don't want n900 anymore) Nov 07 22:25:03 PaulFertser: N810 can run Linux-OMAP 2.6.30-rc8 Nov 07 22:25:17 luke-jr: does wifi work with it? Nov 07 22:25:19 luke-jr, with how many features missing? Nov 07 22:25:32 max_posedon: IIRC, only microphone was broken Nov 07 22:25:34 luke-jr: i've read wifi doesn't work because some fucking firmware blob needs recompiling. Nov 07 22:25:43 The GPS also possibly too Nov 07 22:25:48 it's a binary blob Nov 07 22:25:49 PaulFertser: you need the original firmware blob, but it worked somewhat IIRC Nov 07 22:26:07 SpeedEvil: yeah, GPS is screwy, but I hacked it enough to get it to work as reliable as with Diablo's kernel Nov 07 22:26:19 note 2.6.30-rc8 doesn't run Maemo, just Gentoo :p Nov 07 22:26:41 luke-jr: great, i think i've found my personal n810 assistant then Nov 07 22:26:42 ;) Nov 07 22:26:43 * SpeedEvil wonders if his n900 will arrive. Nov 07 22:26:55 PaulFertser: I'm probably going to get rid of mine Nov 07 22:26:59 it's mostly useless Nov 07 22:27:34 PaulFertser: also, Linux-OMAP removed N810 support with the release of 2.6.30 Nov 07 22:27:40 luke-jr: my friend plans to attach "4g"-wimax stick to it and use for SIP-phoning, also he needs to read CF cards from geodesic equipment. Nov 07 22:28:04 PaulFertser: he realizes there's a N810 with builtin WiMax? Nov 07 22:28:07 luke-jr: why? Nov 07 22:28:17 PaulFertser: the code was ugly and depreciated Nov 07 22:28:38 luke-jr: 1. nobody knows anything about those. 2. they're not easy to obtain. 3. probably incompatible with our networks. Nov 07 22:28:48 :p Nov 07 22:29:19 well over here in the real world, there is no such thing as a WiMax network anyway Nov 07 22:29:20 so hah Nov 07 22:29:29 max_posedon: i bet n900 will suck the same as n810. Tell me, is there any single n900 driver mainline already? Nov 07 22:29:59 PaulFertser: yes, I think there is Nov 07 22:30:04 mainline has a RX-51 platform file Nov 07 22:30:19 I don't know exactly, but kernel dev from nokia said that this time, they developed through upstream Nov 07 22:30:23 ophonekitd wont start. dbus-deamon-launch-helper recived signal 10 Nov 07 22:30:29 luke-jr: we're lucky to have one deployed and it works good enough. Especially given no 3G here (at least for now) because of frequency clashes with military. Nov 07 22:30:37 Jorek: start it manually from the command line Nov 07 22:30:51 i just did Nov 07 22:30:59 Thats one of the errors Nov 07 22:31:43 max_posedon: why didn't they push the remaining parts for n810 then? They could afford to pay 1 developer for a 1-2 months so he prepares and sends patches to make it work. It's just about attitude to the customers. Nov 07 22:32:04 Jorek: pastebin the whole output Nov 07 22:32:33 because n810 doesn't developed anymore Nov 07 22:32:46 and they not interested in good working n810 I think Nov 07 22:32:59 it will stop people from bying new n900 Nov 07 22:33:07 That's not the kind of attitude to the customers i'd call nice. Nov 07 22:33:34 I'd say i'd not buy n900 just because they don't care about n810. Since i'd extrapolate. Nov 07 22:33:34 PaulFertser: Nokia makes something then abandons it. Nov 07 22:33:43 they don't care beyond the initial investment. Nov 07 22:34:16 which would be fine, IMO, if they didn't require blobs Nov 07 22:34:25 They actively don't want the sort of customers that openmoko did really. Nov 07 22:34:52 People that even know what a kernel is aren't a really interesting market segment for nokia Nov 07 22:34:52 SpeedEvil: how do you tell? And why? Too many troubles with "advanced users"? Nov 07 22:35:00 IMO. Nov 07 22:36:16 im not able to to that now, but the error line is: Unknown internal dbus error: Process /usr/libexec/dbus-deamon-lunch-helper recived signal 10, 80 (dbus-glib-error-quark, code 26 Nov 07 22:46:34 Hello there :) Nov 07 22:46:59 o hai Nov 07 22:48:49 I'm new to the OpenMoko and I am curently trying to install a gentoo on my brand new phone :) Unfortunatly I'm getting issues when trying to mount my sd card Nov 07 22:49:11 SpeedEvil: what kind of? Nov 07 22:50:00 I've rewrote the partition table from the phone, and made a ext3 partition, but when I try to mount it I get a "wrong fs type..." error Nov 07 22:50:19 dmesg tells me that "VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev mmcblk0p2" which is weirf Nov 07 22:50:25 PaulFertser: are you talking to me ? Nov 07 22:50:32 Snyfer: sure Nov 07 22:50:39 PaulFertser: ok ok :) Nov 07 22:50:52 Snyfer: any other error messages in dmesg? Nov 07 22:51:15 Snyfer: did you use mkfs.ext2 to prepare the filesystem? Nov 07 22:51:36 PaulFertser: yep : "FAT: bogus number of reserved sectors" but that doesn't happen when I try to mount but at boot Nov 07 22:51:42 Snyfer, you can't use ext3 on nand Nov 07 22:51:45 PaulFertser: I used mkfs.ext3 Nov 07 22:51:53 oh, sorry, its uSD Nov 07 22:52:08 horray for the pengy Nov 07 22:52:30 Snyfer, could you plz show us command by which you create fs Nov 07 22:52:34 Snyfer: so you used mkfs.ext3 on the phone, then tried to mount it and failed? Nov 07 22:52:42 and didn't you before repartition you mSD? Nov 07 22:52:53 if yes, might be fdisk showed you a message Nov 07 22:52:58 max_posedon: of course, mkfs.ext3 /dev/mmcblk0p2 Nov 07 22:52:58 about required reboot Nov 07 22:52:59 random unlikely scenario: some cheap flash cards don't work with anything other than FAT Nov 07 22:53:11 luke-jr, I don't belive Nov 07 22:53:45 max_posedon: yes beofre writing the filesystem to it I rewrote the partition table using fdisk, I made a first partition for the kernel, and a second one which takes the rest Nov 07 22:53:50 max_posedon: they try to be "smart" and detect deleted blocks, throwing them into the "free blocks" pool w/o being zeroed explicitly... Nov 07 22:53:51 the first partition is fat16 Nov 07 22:54:11 Snyfer, did you saw message from fdisk? Nov 07 22:54:19 luke-jr: any place we can read about that advanced stuff? Nov 07 22:54:28 i like the boot splash Nov 07 22:54:30 luke-jr: or do you work for some of the manufacturers? ;) Nov 07 22:54:34 PaulFertser: yep that's right, I used mkfs on the phone nd try to mount it on the phone Nov 07 22:54:35 PaulFertser: there was a detailed post about it on LKML some time Nov 07 22:54:50 Snyfer, plz reboot, and come back Nov 07 22:54:52 max_posedon: it said that it was writing inodes... etc let me check if there was an error Nov 07 22:55:02 max_posedon: I've already rebooted the phone :( Nov 07 22:55:07 I'm sure your kernel doesn't reread partion table Nov 07 22:55:17 http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/6/14/266 Nov 07 22:55:17 hm. so, try mkfs now, and then mount Nov 07 22:55:25 max_posedon: ok Nov 07 22:55:58 specifically talks about USB flash drives, but probably applies to some extent to any flash disks Nov 07 22:56:39 max_posedon: I got a warning during the mkfs, I think I had it last time too : "ext2fs_mkdir: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while creating root dir" Nov 07 22:57:20 luke-jr: thanks, really interesting read! Nov 07 22:57:51 max_posedon: stil doesn't work but there I got lots of error in dmesg :s Nov 07 22:58:02 do you want me to pastebin it ? Nov 07 22:58:07 so, I suggest start from begging Nov 07 22:58:11 from fdisk Nov 07 22:58:50 max_posedon: ok Nov 07 23:00:03 by the way, if I use the Qi bootloader, I don't have to make the first partition as fat16, right ? Nov 07 23:00:40 right Nov 07 23:00:44 even more Nov 07 23:00:49 you have to ext2 Nov 07 23:01:05 max_posedon: i guess the first partition can be left as fat but it'll be unused. Nov 07 23:01:07 oh ok I though ext3 was okay Nov 07 23:01:38 Snyfer: Qi reads ext3 as well Nov 07 23:01:43 It doesn't matter. Nov 07 23:01:50 Snyfer, but I can say, that gentoo installing on neo, even with distcc will take really long time Nov 07 23:02:11 max_posedon: I've already cross-compiled a gentoo on my host pc :) Nov 07 23:02:23 max_posedon: just have to untard a homemade stage3 tarball Nov 07 23:02:46 oh, lucky you Nov 07 23:07:24 still getting some strange errors when trying to make a fs on the partition, I'm gonna make it from a pc. there shouldn't be any hurt right ? Nov 07 23:07:44 sure Nov 07 23:08:07 thank you for all advices... I really hope I could see gentoo running tonight :) Nov 07 23:08:13 Snyfer: some SD cards require downclocking on FR. Nov 07 23:09:21 Snyfer, btw, which phone software you want to use on FR tonight? Nov 07 23:09:23 PaulFertser: wow, and do you know any good documentation to do so ? Nov 07 23:09:27 or just gentoo in chroot Nov 07 23:10:06 max_posedon: i'd like to run a real gentoo, not chrooted :) I've also compiled the kernel Nov 07 23:10:24 very nice Nov 07 23:10:27 Juste have to copy the whole thing to the phone :) Nov 07 23:10:30 I wish you good like) Nov 07 23:10:32 Well I hope Nov 07 23:10:38 max_posedon: thank you :) Nov 07 23:10:43 max_posedon: have you already done it ? Nov 07 23:10:47 nope Nov 07 23:10:49 Snyfer: only glamo-mci kernel driver source. Or just look at /sys/modules/glamo-mci blabla, should be obvious. Nov 07 23:11:00 ok thank you PaulFertser Nov 07 23:11:04 I year fixing bugs, writing ebuilds, and I'm still using shr) Nov 07 23:11:06 Snyfer: you might also want to increase the drive strength from 0 to 1. Nov 07 23:11:18 Snyfer: if anything's unclear, feel free to ask for clarifications. Nov 07 23:12:08 PaulFertser: ok for the glamo kernel module, but i don't ge what is drive strength ? may you explain it to me ? Nov 07 23:12:35 max_posedon: oh ok Nov 07 23:12:48 Snyfer: do you know what pull-up/down is? Nov 07 23:12:57 max_posedon: but I won't really use the freerunner as a phone, so i think gentoo is good choice :) Nov 07 23:13:01 but it isn't because its not impossible, its because I'm focused on different thing Nov 07 23:13:12 some people use gentoo on neo Nov 07 23:13:19 PaulFertser: nop sorry Nov 07 23:13:48 max_posedon: I hope i'll be one of them soon, but if the phone doesn't really work that's ok for me Nov 07 23:14:14 Snyfer: well, the more the strength the more reliable the communication with the card. But it also will create more interference for the GPS. Nov 07 23:14:27 PaulFertser: ok I see Nov 07 23:14:58 PaulFertser: and where may I set it ? Nov 07 23:15:04 Snyfer: stregth is approximately about how sharp are edges of the signal. The sharper, the more high-frequency enegry. Nov 07 23:15:15 Snyfer: same place, glamo-mci module parameters. Nov 07 23:15:45 PaulFertser: oh ok, thank you very much for the explanations :) Nov 07 23:15:52 it's greatly appreceated Nov 07 23:16:04 Snyfer: welcome Nov 07 23:19:52 I understand that having a fat partition as first one on the mmc is sort of compulsory, could you tell me why so ? Nov 07 23:20:45 Snyfer: only if you boot with old u-boot. Nov 07 23:21:18 Snyfer: because it didn't support other FSs Nov 07 23:21:18 great :) Nov 07 23:24:50 mic an sound slider now is great Nov 07 23:36:08 Well, even after creating the whole partition table and fs type from my laptop, I still not able to mount the second partition. The weird thing is that the first one is mounted with no problem :s dmesg tells there are i/o problems so i'm gonna go with the strengh set to 1 to see if it works Nov 07 23:39:17 Does anyone have the newest SHR image? Could you please check the build date for me? Mine says 08082009, is this correct? Nov 07 23:43:48 PaulFertser: excuse me to bother you again but is there range of acceptables values for the clock rate of the sd card ? Nov 07 23:44:01 Jorek: nop sory i can't help Nov 07 23:46:39 sybren: Okey =) Nov 07 23:47:47 Jorek, shr team produce different images Nov 07 23:48:12 some of them may be very unstable, but of course more recent Nov 07 23:48:28 you can try http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/oemerge/images/om-gta02/ Nov 07 23:50:16 i have the one wax_ recommended installed Nov 07 23:50:22 max_ Nov 07 23:50:26 Okey, I'll look into that. Thanks! Nov 07 23:50:57 shetches errors out Nov 07 23:51:09 "Sketches" Nov 07 23:51:27 phone works Nov 07 23:51:39 It seems like both ophonekitd and frameworkd struggels with something. I'll post the errors tomorrow. Nov 07 23:51:40 has mic slider Nov 07 23:51:53 and a voluve slider Nov 07 23:51:59 volume Nov 07 23:52:43 have debian on sdcard but no phone working Nov 08 00:33:18 PaulFertser: are you still around ? Nov 08 01:16:08 i really like the green black shr logo an the way that missed calles come up on the lock screen Nov 08 01:16:32 excellent **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Nov 08 02:59:56 2009