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Nov 25 03:36:19 <gonzoism> my cat still hasn't caught that little red dot.
Nov 25 04:03:03 <rozzin> gonzoism: you inspired my to get my keyboard setup so that I can actually type "µSD", the other day :)
Nov 25 04:05:44 <gonzoism> lol
Nov 25 04:05:47 <gonzoism> that is cool.
Nov 25 04:06:28 <rozzin> It was actually really simple--
Nov 25 04:06:33 <gonzoism> let me take that back.  that isn't cool.  you are cool.
Nov 25 04:06:40 <gonzoism> for real. :)
Nov 25 04:07:28 <gonzoism> wanna share how you did it ?  i'm only curious.
Nov 25 04:07:31 <rozzin> simple enough that I now... I feel like, I don't know--I wasted so many years depriving myself of "µ" characters :)
Nov 25 04:08:01 <rozzin> Now, when someone asks me bad questions, I can just respond to them with "µ"!
Nov 25 04:08:52 <gonzoism> i got one for ya !  what is an accellerometer ?  
Nov 25 04:08:55 <rozzin> Ah, I just told GNOME to use the `USA International with AltGr dead keys' layout :)
Nov 25 04:09:28 <rozzin> An accelerometer is a device that detects acceleration.
Nov 25 04:09:43 <gonzoism> how does it relate to the gta02 ?
Nov 25 04:09:51 <rozzin> Including gravitational acceleration.
Nov 25 04:10:06 <rozzin> GTA02 has 2, 3-D accelerometers;
Nov 25 04:10:14 <gonzoism> oh
Nov 25 04:10:28 <rozzin> I think there's a document (a reasonably good one, even) somewhere in the openmoko.org wiki;
Nov 25 04:10:41 <gonzoism> cool.  i'll keep an eye out for it.
Nov 25 04:10:49 <rozzin> most accelerometer applications can do fine with just one of the accelerometers,
Nov 25 04:11:20 <rozzin> which has led the gta02-core project to decide to remove one of them.
Nov 25 04:13:05 <gonzoism> i'm installing doom...  i played it once on an 83mhz 32mb ram box, back in the day...
Nov 25 04:13:13 <gonzoism> man i was stuck on that box for way too long.
Nov 25 04:13:42 <rozzin> a single 3-D accelerometer allows a program to sense movement in any direction, and to sense orientation;
Nov 25 04:15:10 <gonzoism> now it makes sense.  so they removed the 3d accellerometer, and left the 2d one ?
Nov 25 04:15:21 <rozzin> if I understand the issues correctly, the second accelerometer is only necessary if a program wants to know how the device is rotating around the gravitational vector.
Nov 25 04:15:31 <rozzin> They're both 3-D accelerometers.
Nov 25 04:15:35 <gonzoism> oh
Nov 25 04:16:03 <rozzin> Let me see if I can find the wiki page.
Nov 25 04:16:27 <gonzoism> thanks.  i will read it.
Nov 25 04:18:21 <rozzin> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Technical:Accelerometer_Fundamentals
Nov 25 04:19:01 <rozzin> There are some things in there that can be hard to understand the first time through;
Nov 25 04:19:09 <gonzoism> thank you.
Nov 25 04:19:12 <mmontour> gonzoism: the "mokomaze" game is a good accelerometer demo
Nov 25 04:19:16 <rozzin> you may need to consult some other sources to understand what it's saying.
Nov 25 04:19:22 * rozzin notes to mmontour.
Nov 25 04:19:41 * rozzin nods, even.
Nov 25 04:20:01 <gonzoism> how did you find that ?  because i was searching too, and couldn't find it, and searched earlier today and didn't find it, and one day before i was trying to figure it out.
Nov 25 04:20:03 <gonzoism> google ?
Nov 25 04:20:10 <rozzin> omnewrotate is a good demo, too. :)
Nov 25 04:20:23 <gonzoism> i got that.  it needs to be adjusted.
Nov 25 04:20:58 <gonzoism> it is too...  sensitive, i guess.
Nov 25 04:21:20 <gonzoism> i figure it needed to have a delay before switching.
Nov 25 04:21:40 <gonzoism> i haven't looked at how it works yet.
Nov 25 04:22:36 <rozzin> Actually, I gather that both mokomaze and omnewrotate demo only the `gravity-sensing' application of a single accelerometer.
Nov 25 04:24:17 <rozzin> accelges is perhaps somewhat more interesting.
Nov 25 04:24:40 <gonzoism> ges ?
Nov 25 04:24:54 <rozzin> gestures.
Nov 25 04:25:01 <gonzoism> ah
Nov 25 04:25:04 <gonzoism> good wiki page.
Nov 25 04:25:30 <rozzin> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gestures
Nov 25 04:25:58 <gonzoism> when X crashes or gets unusable, how do you restart it ?
Nov 25 04:26:11 <gonzoism> or better yet, how should it be restarted ?
Nov 25 04:26:32 <rozzin> I think someone wrote something that allows the FreeRunner to be used as a wiimote-style game controller, too.
Nov 25 04:26:39 <rozzin> Hm.
Nov 25 04:26:42 <gonzoism>  /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm ?
Nov 25 04:26:48 <rozzin> Yeah.
Nov 25 04:27:50 <gonzoism> doom doesn't seem to work...   bummer.
Nov 25 04:28:22 <rozzin> I haven't tried that.
Nov 25 04:28:26 <rozzin> How is it supposed to work?
Nov 25 04:28:46 <gonzoism> with the accellerometers
Nov 25 04:29:07 <rozzin> Neat.
Nov 25 04:29:17 <gonzoism> http://opendoom.googlecode.com/files/opendoom_0.1.1_armv4t.ipk
Nov 25 04:29:32 <gonzoism> http://unsyncopated.com/wiki/Doom%20Port  <--from that page
Nov 25 04:30:48 <gonzoism> you can do touchscreen only also.  no need for the accellerometer
Nov 25 04:35:01 <rozzin> accelerometer-controls for games always makes me remember when my brother and I were playing Mario Bros. when we were kids, and he hit me in the face because he *so* wanted Mario to jump higher that he made a big `jumping' motion with the controller.
Nov 25 04:35:18 <rozzin> It'd be cool to port xjump to use the FR's accelerometers :)
Nov 25 04:35:35 <rozzin> Maybe a little dangerous, though :)
Nov 25 04:37:56 <gonzoism> heh
Nov 25 04:38:15 <gonzoism> i was just realizing we could put virtual buttons on the touchscreen
Nov 25 04:38:25 <gonzoism> first thing i thought was Mario.
Nov 25 04:40:12 <gonzoism> would opkg update, opkg upgrade be a silly thing to do on the freerunner ?  or are bugfixes going there ?
Nov 25 04:42:14 <gonzoism> list_upgradable -- i'm about to find out. :)
Nov 25 04:42:46 <gonzoism> looks like there are upgrades. cool.
Nov 25 04:46:13 <gonzoism> i put up new barbwire outside.  then rounded up all the cows and put them inside the fence.  they are actually out there facing towards the house mooing at me like crazy.  i think they are angry.  heh, mad cows.
Nov 25 04:48:51 <gonzoism> and xjump would be a lot more fun if the screen would scroll down.  perhaps not as challenging. :)
Nov 25 04:53:39 <gonzoism> i like the crazy way that guy jumps
Nov 25 05:16:04 <JayPro> i just flashed qt moko. on first boot, i get a log in screen. does that mean there was something wrong with the installation?
Nov 25 05:50:28 <gonzoism> rozzin: what does the a with the ^ above it mean ?  
Nov 25 05:50:43 <gonzoism> also, the wiki for accelerometers was pretty good. 
Nov 25 05:55:48 <gonzoism> informative
Nov 25 07:20:52 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rd17b0e589549 10/docs/frameworkd.conf.sample: document fsodevice.accelerometer_lis302 values
Nov 25 09:20:21 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rdb37cc7bff3f 10/org.freesmartphone.Device/org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio.xml.in: org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio: add SaveScenario(s) -> ()
Nov 25 09:28:34 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libfso-glib * r7c89d1a0eccb 10/src/ (4 files): regen
Nov 25 09:34:15 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r58a1210fb69e 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): update xml for org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio
Nov 25 09:34:45 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libfso-glib * r61a7170f1385 10/src/freesmartphone-device.vala: regen
Nov 25 09:56:49 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r14de522adbea 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio.SaveScenario(s) throws FreeSmartphone.Error
Nov 25 09:57:12 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libfso-glib * r9a627aa1c33f 10/src/freesmartphone-device.vala: regen
Nov 25 10:15:59 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r18e671904ba5 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/alsa.vala: libfsoframework: alsa: move BunchOfMixerControls to here
Nov 25 10:16:19 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rc61f3950affa 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/alsa_audio/plugin.vala: fsodeviced: implement org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio.SaveScenario()
Nov 25 11:57:26 <d1b> hi um does the latest shr-unstable work for anyone ?
Nov 25 11:57:35 <d1b> it doesn't seem to want to unlock my sim card...
Nov 25 12:13:03 <ChristW> Since the last SHR-U flash, I'm having problems with my WiFi connection at home. I switched off MAC-filtering (although the MAC should've stayed the same (?)) to see if that would help. It time-outs on the 'Configuring with DHCP' step. Also, there doesn't seem to be a 'dhclient' on-board. Is this a known problem, or should I open a ticket somewhere?
Nov 25 12:16:02 <Heinervdm> we don't use dhclient, we use udhcpc
Nov 25 12:23:45 <ChristW> Ah, figures... I'll try that then. Still, is Moconnect not connecting to WiFi a known problem?
Nov 25 13:11:20 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r650af1111f0d 10/libfsoframework/ (5 files in 3 dirs): libfsoframework: create INotifier dispatcher object. NOTE: We need Vala >= 0.7.8.2 now
Nov 25 13:17:17 <d1b> Heinervdm: does gsm work for you on the latest SHR-u ?
Nov 25 13:17:43 <Heinervdm> d1b: don't know i only recived SMS till now
Nov 25 13:17:50 <d1b> Heinervdm: but the sim card works ?
Nov 25 13:17:58 <Heinervdm> d1b: yes
Nov 25 13:18:07 <d1b> do you have sim pin ?
Nov 25 13:18:44 <Heinervdm> yes
Nov 25 13:18:53 <d1b> ok. mine doesn't seem to work...
Nov 25 13:19:00 <ChristW> If it's any help to you, I also have SHR-u latest, and I've received SMS and GSM, and have a PIN.
Nov 25 13:19:31 <d1b> k.
Nov 25 13:20:10 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r44ceb4c8612a 10/libfsoframework/configure.ac: libfsoframework: post release version bump
Nov 25 13:20:31 <ChristW> Although GSM is slightly broken at the moment... It does wake the FR from suspend, but it immediately hangs up, and _then_ starts ringing...
Nov 25 13:21:02 <d1b> oh goody....
Nov 25 13:21:50 * d1b is giving up on teh phone.
Nov 25 13:22:04 <d1b> *ux* rant
Nov 25 13:22:29 <d1b> the android guys have a decent thing, but then no android libs / good stuff.
Nov 25 13:22:36 <d1b> they also have no ssl certs, SHR is still only unstable, and breaks.
Nov 25 13:22:56 <d1b> and there is no real "phone" os alternative, qtopia is old and not worky really.
Nov 25 13:23:13 <d1b> and om was always a joke.
Nov 25 13:24:00 <Weiss> d1b: maybe you could try the "recommended" SHR image (see topic)?
Nov 25 13:24:10 <d1b> Weiss: i have :)
Nov 25 13:24:29 <Weiss> I use it as my daily phone without too many problems.. (with SIM PIN)
Nov 25 13:24:46 <d1b> Weiss: yes i do too, mostly.
Nov 25 13:24:52 <ChristW> I still wish there was a 'standard way' to help...
Nov 25 13:25:06 <d1b> it can't really work as a phone when you have to talk to someone --> call quality sucks.
Nov 25 13:25:24 <d1b> ChristW: would be nice :)
Nov 25 13:26:24 <d1b> i have no issues with the distros. BUT the problems have always been around and  never fixed. om2007 was probably the most usable os to date.
Nov 25 13:26:36 <ChristW> If someone could set up a virtual machine that would build (and emulate...) the software, anyone could dive into developing and debugging.
Nov 25 13:26:36 <d1b> you could change the volume in call and lock the screen.
Nov 25 13:27:12 <ChristW> Now I have to spend hours and hours setting up environments, and never getting it 'just right' without getting in the way of other software.
Nov 25 13:27:16 <d1b> ChristW: yah but to get the call volume down properly and a nice up / down toggle would be the next step. really there has been a lot of repeated development.
Nov 25 13:27:32 <ChristW> </rant>
Nov 25 13:27:40 <d1b> all we need is a gui to make a phone call that has two big buttons, + and - for call volume.
Nov 25 13:27:44 <d1b> that's it.
Nov 25 13:27:52 <d1b> and for smses, show them and reply.
Nov 25 13:28:15 <d1b> PIM --> import contacts from the sim, this isn't hard just use python then dump them to the nand and have PIM.
Nov 25 13:28:25 <ChristW> But I'd still need the dev. environment. Which isn't really 'there'...
Nov 25 13:28:33 <d1b> ChristW: mm?
Nov 25 13:28:52 <d1b> debian makes for a nice dev environment if you need to run off the phone.
Nov 25 13:29:00 <d1b>  on *
Nov 25 13:29:34 <d1b> but like qi vs uboot, and tons of other stuff like that... just reinventing the wheel for no good reason.
Nov 25 13:30:45 <d1b> the phone is obsoleted now. etc.
Nov 25 13:32:17 <ChristW> I do have an Ubuntu system at home, but it's a bit low on memory, so it's slow. The other computer is an iMac, with lots of RAM and HD space, but without the possibility of development (for the FreeRunner).
Nov 25 13:32:35 <d1b> ChristW: why do you need lots of memory...
Nov 25 13:32:40 <Weiss> yeah.. turns out that putting all the software together for a fully functional smartphone which works for everyone is REALLY difficult..
Nov 25 13:32:44 <d1b> just need python and gtk / something light.
Nov 25 13:33:11 <d1b> Weiss: debian *works* just need a volume nob and that's it. if the call quality can be tweaked to work.
Nov 25 13:34:16 <pbaxter> hi all
Nov 25 13:44:25 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r690dc75efcc8 10/fsodeviced/ (configure.ac src/plugins/alsa_audio/plugin.vala): (log message trimmed)
Nov 25 13:44:25 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: fsodeviced: alsa_audio: use inotify to watch for scenario changes
Nov 25 13:44:25 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: Reload the scenario cache (for the modified scenario only) whenever
Nov 25 13:44:25 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: a change is being reported. This also works, if the changed scenario
Nov 25 13:44:26 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: is the current scenario. If the scenario being modified is not the
Nov 25 13:44:28 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: current scenario, be aware that audible artefacts can occur during
Nov 25 13:44:30 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: reloading.
Nov 25 17:31:45 <fredrin> yarrrrrr
Nov 25 18:39:55 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rb3836f6d1242 10/fsodeviced/ (5 files in 4 dirs): fsodeviced: add skeleton for new plugin kernel26_rfkill
Nov 25 18:50:49 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r0360c1c3a4ed 10/fsodeviced/vapi/rfkill.vapi: fsodeviced: add rfkill vapi (scheduled for inclusion in linux.vapi before next release)
Nov 25 19:28:05 <bmidgley> what is the preferred software stack for gta01 these days?
Nov 25 19:28:07 <bmidgley> I can't use the phone or gps with my mixed up debian
Nov 25 19:35:26 <slaxxer> shr
Nov 25 19:36:07 <slaxxer> http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta01/
Nov 25 19:36:41 <slaxxer> that is a little old
Nov 25 19:37:38 <slaxxer> Downloading http://www.opkg.org/packages/gwaterpas_0.3.1_armv4t.ipk
Nov 25 19:37:38 <slaxxer> Segmentation fault
Nov 25 19:38:37 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r20f435265ef1 10/fsodeviced/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fsodeviced: kernel26_rfkill: do not use sysfs; objects are created based on what /dev/rfkill reports
Nov 25 19:39:36 <dos1> slaxxer: shr-testing is old and unmaintained for ages
Nov 25 19:40:43 <slaxxer> are there new gta01 images?
Nov 25 20:09:31 <slaxxer> http://build.hackable1.org/?C=M;O=D
Nov 25 20:10:05 <slaxxer> bmidgley
Nov 25 20:10:56 <slaxxer> need to try that
Nov 25 20:17:49 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r37ddf9af4c1e 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/inotifier.vala: libfsoframework: inotifier: do not bail out if inotify subsystem can't be initialized; report the error instead
Nov 25 20:43:21 <pooze> are there any activities going on in the android for freerunner project?
Nov 25 20:45:10 <_diego_> pooze: i suppose you already look at this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Android
Nov 25 20:47:00 <pooze> _diego_: yes, and also on http://koolu.org/releases/ , and it seems to me the last beta is half a year old.
Nov 25 20:47:07 <pooze> unless there are newer releases elsewhere.
Nov 25 20:48:30 <_diego_> http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/downloads/list
Nov 25 20:49:31 <pooze> _diego_ : oh, so that's where they are... thanks a lot. :)
Nov 25 20:49:34 <_diego_> and the last beta from koolu is less then 6 month ago
Nov 25 20:51:51 <pooze> _diego_ : it is? are there any newer betas than Beta7 from 22nd of May?
Nov 25 20:53:43 <_diego_> ops 
Nov 25 20:54:07 <_diego_> it's just 6 month old
Nov 25 20:57:36 <_diego_> btw: http://koolu.com/component/option,com_mojo/Itemid,225/
Nov 25 20:59:46 <pooze> _diego_: yes, I saw this blog, but he hasn't posted for ages.
Nov 25 21:00:08 <pooze> I haven't read everything though, but I thought it wouldn't be very relevant anyway if I was looking for something newer.
Nov 25 21:00:31 <[Rui]> as far as I see it, it looks like it isn't very well supported
Nov 25 21:00:44 <[Rui]> maybe you should just give a try to SHR or qtmoko?
Nov 25 21:00:55 <_diego_> just an indication of the reason why ther are no new release from koolu
Nov 25 21:01:39 <_diego_> the problem is that android is not very open
Nov 25 21:02:35 <pooze> I'm also very interested in the latest and greates from SHR and QtMoko as well
Nov 25 21:02:45 <pooze> just want to have a look at android too
Nov 25 21:03:42 <pooze> I'm currently installing the newest SHR btw, but it worries me a bit when it says in the topic "Recommended: old-images/shr-*--20090808-om-gta02.rootfs.*"
Nov 25 21:04:31 <_diego_> i'm running testing at the moment... ^^
Nov 25 21:06:26 <pooze> oh, very sweet. :D
Nov 25 21:16:44 <pooze> great first impression with the newest SHR btw...
Nov 25 21:17:40 <[Rui]> hehehe
Nov 25 21:19:22 <pooze> (compared with last time I tried it, which was mid-august I think) ;)
Nov 25 21:20:49 <[Rui]> polz: run the updates, as there's some issues with calls (if you use it as a phone)
Nov 25 21:21:25 <pooze> [Rui]: ok..
Nov 25 21:21:34 <pooze> my plan is to use it as a phone. ;)
Nov 25 21:21:46 <pooze> whenever I can find a distro that seems mature enough.
Nov 25 21:22:03 <pooze> which is why I'm desperate enough to even try adroid on it.
Nov 25 21:23:02 <polz> [Rui]: I'm waiting for someone to build SHR for gta01 before I try using it as a phone again :)
Nov 25 21:23:20 <[Rui]> polz: :(
Nov 25 21:36:31 <slaxxer> just installed 20091124 shr-unstable   an  seems fast an good
Nov 25 21:38:07 <slaxxer> panicking has some newer android images
Nov 25 22:37:47 <pooze> how do I actually add a contact with a number to the contacts application in SHR? :-/
Nov 25 22:38:04 <pooze> I figured the "field" must have "Name" in order to recognize the name
Nov 25 22:38:24 <pooze> and i tried adding another field with "Number" to associate with the number, but that didn't work.
Nov 25 22:39:57 <max_posedon> try phone
Nov 25 22:40:06 <max_posedon> with little or big p
Nov 25 22:40:40 <pooze> that did the trick. ;)
Nov 25 22:40:41 <pooze> thanks.
Nov 25 23:07:21 <DocScrutinizer> still you need to enter numbers there like "tel:0987654" otherwise can't call them, IIRC
Nov 25 23:09:36 <max_posedon> DocScrutinizer, really?
Nov 25 23:09:40 <max_posedon> I think not
Nov 25 23:10:35 <DocScrutinizer> dos told me like that a while ago (that's for shr-contacts as of 0808+) Not sure if it panned out in the end, but I'm sure it somewhat helped
Nov 25 23:12:57 <DocScrutinizer> aaah wait: I used fieldname "TelAtHome" or sth and adding "tel:" prefix to the number made it recognize it the tel property as far as showing a nice icon. But iirc I still couldn't call the number as the selector menu supposed to show up on "CALL" actually didn't
Nov 25 23:29:15 <DocScrutinizer-8> well actually I can't even test atm as it refuses to store any edits :-/
Nov 25 23:41:39 <DocScrutinizer-8> err s/shr-contacts/opimd-contacts/
Nov 26 00:13:30 <DocScrutinizer-8> ok 
Nov 26 00:13:49 <DocScrutinizer-8> opimd-contacts: edit doesn't work
Nov 26 00:13:55 <DocScrutinizer-8> new works
Nov 26 00:14:20 <DocScrutinizer-8> fieldname "Phone" works
Nov 26 00:15:35 <DocScrutinizer-8> fieldname "Phone2" and number value "tel:3456" shows "3456" with phone icon, but can't be dialed
Nov 26 00:18:23 <DocScrutinizer-8> maybe edit is "borked" only by (new field) not being disabled for SIM born contacts
Nov 26 00:22:26 <panicking> PaulFertser, 
Nov 26 00:22:27 <panicking> hi
Nov 26 00:22:37 <DocScrutinizer-8> heh panicking 
Nov 26 00:22:43 <panicking> do you see the famous bug of the accelerometer
Nov 26 00:22:50 <panicking> that I have fixed
Nov 26 00:22:53 <panicking> DocScrutinizer, hi
Nov 26 00:22:56 <panicking> how are you
Nov 26 00:23:23 <DocScrutinizer-8> basically same as last friday :-S
Nov 26 00:23:58 <DocScrutinizer-8> heard of Demetris?
Nov 26 00:25:28 <DocScrutinizer-8> I wonder if he's busy with new website, as I heard no reply since monday
Nov 26 00:26:04 <panicking> Yes we have worked a lot on the new website
Nov 26 00:26:09 <panicking> to reconfigure services
Nov 26 00:26:16 <lindi-> panicking: aiee, get it to andy-tracking fast please :)
Nov 26 00:27:20 <DocScrutinizer-8> panicking: when will the site be up again?
Nov 26 00:28:08 <panicking> I don't know the status now
Nov 26 00:28:15 <panicking> but we are working on the net domain
Nov 26 00:28:50 <DocScrutinizer-8> still testpage of apache
Nov 26 00:29:54 <lindi-> what sie?
Nov 26 00:29:56 <lindi-> what site?
Nov 26 00:31:18 <slaxxer> applications maybe
Nov 26 00:31:28 <panicking> site directory
Nov 26 00:31:32 <panicking> "/site"
Nov 26 00:31:55 <panicking> "http://www.gizmoforyou.net/site/"
Nov 26 00:32:41 <panicking> lindi-, I can do that but I would like an agreement with PaulFertser and larsc 
Nov 26 00:33:06 <DocScrutinizer> also Apache testpage
Nov 26 00:33:40 <DocScrutinizer> nah, actually /site shows a logon screen
Nov 26 00:33:51 <lindi-> panicking: sure, it's not completely critical bug
Nov 26 00:33:57 <lindi-> panicking: but pretty annoying
Nov 26 00:34:18 <panicking> lindi-, I think that it is critical the slowdown is around 20%
Nov 26 00:35:21 <DocScrutinizer> what's the problem? gmeters not powered down on closing filehandle?
Nov 26 00:37:56 <panicking> the problem is the driver will be poweon on the resume
Nov 26 00:38:00 <panicking> path
Nov 26 00:38:20 <panicking> the driver always power on the resume path
Nov 26 00:40:55 <DocScrutinizer> hehe, nasty
Nov 26 00:41:31 <DocScrutinizer> I guess we see same problem for other subsystems as well then
Nov 26 00:43:36 <DocScrutinizer> BT and GPS would basically be prone to show similar behaviour
Nov 26 00:45:40 <DocScrutinizer-8> so larsc and mickey should think about a more sane way to define suspend state of every subsystem (gps, lcd-bl, bt, leds, accels...)
Nov 26 00:46:36 <DocScrutinizer-8> I thinks it's absolutely wrong kernel does a lot of the powering down on suspend / powering up on resume on it's own guess
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