**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 26 02:59:56 2009 Nov 26 03:03:02 settin up the old counterstrike server Nov 26 03:11:17 slaxxer: nah, quakelive ftw Nov 26 03:11:33 you play? Nov 26 04:35:56 KenYoung: are you `the' Ken Young? :) Nov 26 04:42:34 rozzin, I am *a* Ken Young. Which one are you looking for? Nov 26 04:42:48 `orrery' Ken Young. Nov 26 04:43:31 rozzin, That's me! Nov 26 04:45:24 Ah, I just sent you an e-mail then :) Nov 26 04:45:59 Oh, your screen name is a bit different than your email name. I didn't make the connection. Nov 26 04:46:58 I certainly appreciate the patience you've shown while trying to get my build environment standardized. Nov 26 04:47:47 Oh, it's no problem. Nov 26 04:48:51 I appreciate your openness. Nov 26 04:49:59 Hopefully everything will be working, after this round. Nov 26 04:50:52 I did an automake --iadd-missing, and that built the files that you pointed out were missing. Nov 26 04:52:07 Wha Hoo! It looks like I can now build your version. Nov 26 04:52:18 That'll probably do it--you'd probably notice if anything else wasn't what it was supposed to be. Nov 26 04:52:21 Merging should be trivial now. Nov 26 04:52:24 Awesome! Nov 26 04:52:44 Collected errors: Nov 26 04:52:44 * Unable to open the control file in set_flags_from_control Nov 26 04:52:44 root@om-gta02 ~ $ Nov 26 04:52:44 :( Nov 26 04:52:48 wat Nov 26 04:53:45 rozzin, It's nice to know who you are - I've seen you on this channel many times before, of course. Nov 26 04:54:52 KenYoung: There is actually still one nit, in the packaging: Nov 26 04:55:31 KenYoung: `make dist' doesn't know how to deal with files that have whitespace in their names :\ Nov 26 04:57:19 KenYoung: which just means that he task of making final tarballs for release isn't properly automated by the Makefile. Nov 26 04:57:32 rozzin, Well, I use the file names to produce the constellation names, as you no doubt know, but I could swap underscrores for the white space in the file names, and then resubstitute in the progrma itself. Do you think I should do that? Nov 26 04:58:03 KenYoung: that was my thought. Nov 26 04:58:24 OK, that's obviously trivial. I'll do it tomorrow. Nov 26 04:58:41 KenYoung: Awesome. Nov 26 04:59:22 KenYoung: I *think* `make dist' should work correctly, then; it does need to be verified, though-- Nov 26 04:59:58 Might as well get everything working while we're doing a cleanup. Nov 26 05:00:18 I did sort-of take a shortcut in data/Makefile.am :) Nov 26 05:00:20 A week from now I'll have forgotten that automake exists, again. Nov 26 05:02:40 I'm sort-of inclined to say that that's as it should be. Nov 26 05:02:50 I got my N900, so I'll start working on porting orrery to it once the Openmoko version is ready for the 2.7 release. Nov 26 05:03:33 If the tools can `get out of your way' and let you forget that they're there at all, then they're working correctly :) Nov 26 05:06:18 Well, my wife is yelling at me to go to bed, now. Nov 26 05:06:58 We have a long drive in the morning for Thanksgiving, so I suppose I should take her advice. Nov 26 05:07:01 :) Nov 26 05:07:13 rozzin, Have a good Thanksgiving, and thanks again for your help! Nov 26 05:08:04 I'm glad that we finally got it all sorted out--don't hesitate to ask any othe questions you may have. Nov 26 05:08:43 Ultimately, you know, my motivations are in some ways selfish-- Nov 26 05:10:18 I want it to be easier for *me* to hack on :) Nov 26 05:10:56 Anyway--Happy Thanksgiving; g'night. Nov 26 05:11:00 rozzin, Well, It's gratifying to see someone things it's worth modifying. Nov 26 05:11:08 goodnight Nov 26 05:11:34 ooops, thinks, not things Nov 26 10:11:06 Hy Nov 26 10:11:38 can anyone help me with installing SHR on an freerunner with android on it Nov 26 10:11:47 please Nov 26 10:17:40 mariusflorin: you want to dual boot, or just install SHR? Nov 26 10:20:42 just install shr Nov 26 10:21:12 but i don't know how to connect the phone Nov 26 10:21:36 ifconfig doesn't work to set the address and I undestand that there is no ssh installed on android Nov 26 10:22:10 you have the sdk? Nov 26 10:22:51 mariusflorin: why do you need ssh if you want to reflash? Nov 26 10:25:59 I undestood this is the way Nov 26 10:26:20 from the instalations instructions Nov 26 10:26:37 is there another solution? Nov 26 10:27:47 I downloaded the .bin and the .jffs2 Nov 26 10:29:29 mariusflorin: dfu-util Nov 26 10:29:34 mariusflorin: read the wiki Nov 26 10:30:21 ok i will chewck again Nov 26 10:30:27 i thought dfu-util needs ssh Nov 26 10:30:54 mariusflorin: only if you do not have direct access to the console of the device you run dfu-util on. Nov 26 10:31:29 dfu-util is installed on the mandriva computer Nov 26 10:31:43 do I need to install it on the phone too? Nov 26 10:32:35 no you use dfu-util to flash your phone, first press button and power to go to the uboot screen and then run dfu-util Nov 26 10:32:39 see the wiki for full instructions Nov 26 10:33:36 ok Nov 26 10:33:36 thnaks Nov 26 10:33:37 look for neotool which is a gui wrapper around dfu-util Nov 26 10:35:24 Or look for a qualified technician which is a user-friendly wrapper around proper human<->computer interfaces. Nov 26 10:35:41 pebkac Nov 26 11:49:18 hi all Nov 26 11:53:02 hi um i seem to have screwed up flashing the uboot on the device (the one i can update ) Nov 26 11:53:10 and i am unable to restore it ... Nov 26 11:53:15 any ideas? Nov 26 11:53:18 it just says "poweroff" atm Nov 26 11:53:51 d1b: flash with nor Nov 26 11:54:19 PaulFertser: i thought i did that Nov 26 11:54:51 d1b: so your nand u-boot now works, cool Nov 26 11:55:12 one of them works :) Nov 26 11:55:16 the other doesn't! Nov 26 11:55:25 i think i did kernel withou the -a on the dfutil flash... Nov 26 11:55:28 iz problem? Nov 26 11:55:48 d1b: yes Nov 26 11:55:59 d1b: just flash u-boot to u-boot... Nov 26 11:56:04 PaulFertser: i did.... Nov 26 11:56:09 d1b: then you have no problem Nov 26 11:56:29 PaulFertser: i do... Nov 26 11:56:55 d1b: i use qi :P Nov 26 11:57:01 PaulFertser: doesn't solve this Nov 26 11:57:16 d1b: if you want to report a bug with qi that i can reproduce, i'll fix it. Nov 26 11:57:19 brb. Nov 26 11:57:47 ok i flashed the kernel without -a Nov 26 11:57:59 as -a had an error. Nov 26 11:58:12 then i got some crap on the screen and after trying to reflash uboot ... it isn't working Nov 26 11:58:18 the other uboot is fine. Nov 26 12:01:01 d1b: how exactly isn't u-boot working? Nov 26 12:02:17 PaulFertser: 1 sec ill reboot the phone Nov 26 12:03:53 ok if i boot the phone i get a weird background atm Nov 26 12:03:54 and that's it Nov 26 12:04:12 its like a broken tv Nov 26 12:04:54 nand something blah kernel is not a number... Nov 26 12:05:12 some variable not set Nov 26 12:12:45 confirmed that qi from android works... Nov 26 12:13:10 d1b: if u-boot outputs something on the screen it most probably means it's working correctly. Nov 26 12:13:18 d1b: fix your u-boot environment. Nov 26 12:13:34 PaulFertser: worked before Nov 26 12:13:59 d1b: you might have overwritten your environment with improper kernel flashing obviously. Nov 26 12:14:11 PaulFertser: i guess so :) Nov 26 12:14:16 but i have no idea how to fix that :) Nov 26 12:14:37 won't it be fixed if i reflash uboot now ? Nov 26 12:16:27 d1b: it won't for sure Nov 26 12:16:35 d1b: uboot env is on a separate partition Nov 26 12:16:46 PaulFertser: ok i would need to put that uboot env back Nov 26 12:16:57 seems i have killed it Nov 26 12:19:10 PaulFertser: are there instructions on how i go about doing that? Nov 26 12:20:31 d1b: you know i have mixed feelings about it. One of Qi's aims is exactly to avoid spending time solving questions like that ;) Nov 26 12:20:53 PaulFertser: maybe Nov 26 12:21:02 i don't mind just the qi im using is from the android guys Nov 26 12:21:32 Koolu messed qi so it doesn't work with other distros Nov 26 12:21:45 PaulFertser: not koolu Nov 26 12:23:10 d1b: i think i do not want to bother finding that commit in koolu's git, but it's there ;) Nov 26 12:23:23 PaulFertser: its not that qi... Nov 26 12:23:38 its from the android guys from the continuing project but sure. Nov 26 12:23:40 d1b: i think there was some u-boot env as part of devirginizer or so. Nov 26 12:23:41 ill get another qi Nov 26 12:24:33 d1b: preferrably from downloads.openmoko.org/experimental Nov 26 12:24:48 experimental ? Nov 26 12:24:50 orly... Nov 26 12:24:56 are you sure... Nov 26 12:25:57 d1b: if you do not trust me, read the commit log at git.openmoko.org Nov 26 12:26:01 ;) Nov 26 12:26:27 ok... Nov 26 12:26:37 ill look later :) Nov 26 12:32:53 hi PaulFertser Nov 26 12:32:57 how are you? Nov 26 12:33:11 hi panicking strange to see you ;) Nov 26 12:33:21 panicking: what have you been improving on android? Nov 26 12:33:39 Now, I have patched the serial Nov 26 12:33:42 to add a wake lock Nov 26 12:33:51 looking for the suspend path of the serial device Nov 26 12:33:57 to avoid loose of sms or info Nov 26 12:33:59 from the modem Nov 26 12:34:22 and I have recently worked on iburst device Nov 26 12:34:22 and I'm writing some code on qemu ehci support Nov 26 12:34:31 and I'm in the middle of european project Nov 26 12:34:35 review meeting Nov 26 12:34:35 :D Nov 26 12:34:52 I'm here only to say thanks to PaulFertser that commit Nov 26 12:35:01 the resume path of accelerometer Nov 26 12:35:30 But I have a lot of patches at kernel side project for the android openmoko Nov 26 12:42:18 PaulFertser: the last commit for qi, was 5 months ago, why do you say from experimental... Nov 26 13:15:17 parmaster: hey :D Nov 26 13:15:48 d1b: because it's the newest build anyway Nov 26 13:17:20 PaulFertser: maybe, but i can't get gsm up on shr... atm. now... Nov 26 13:17:55 Hi. I just flashed SHR testing but it does not boot. Should I install also a bootloader? Nov 26 13:18:41 i get an errror:garbage collecting node at ... Nov 26 13:19:26 mariusflorin: what BL do you currently use? Nov 26 13:19:48 the default Nov 26 13:19:53 mariusflorin: there is no Nov 26 13:20:13 u-boot Nov 26 13:20:23 i think Nov 26 13:21:16 mariusflorin: you should use the latest bl anyway Nov 26 13:21:22 after flashing am I require to do some config? Nov 26 13:21:33 now it booted Nov 26 13:21:48 If you use u-boot you should know how to configure it yourself. Qi doesn't require any configuration. Nov 26 13:21:49 but it takes really long... Nov 26 13:22:22 i will try looking more on the wiki Nov 26 13:23:22 That's why i like Qi. Fast, no configuration needed. Nov 26 13:26:16 Thanks Nov 26 13:27:15 But using Qi probably requires reading the corresponding wiki page. Nov 26 14:05:26 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r3269d832a2ed 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_rfkill/plugin.vala: fosdeviced: kernel26_rfkill: fix creating classes based on rfkill resources Nov 26 14:17:00 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rb65250f3703e 10/fsodeviced/src/lib/ (powercontrol.vala resource.vala): Nov 26 14:17:00 freesmartphone.org: fsodeviced: add ISimplePowerControl interface as relevant interface for PowerControlResource delegate Nov 26 14:17:00 freesmartphone.org: BasePowerControl now implements this interface to comply with the needs of PowerControlResource Nov 26 15:21:26 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r4d61599b537e 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_rfkill/plugin.vala: fsodeviced: rfkill: implement get/set power Nov 26 15:28:54 Hello, anybody knows if i can flash my fr w/o using the AUX button and/or debug board? Nov 26 15:35:32 Ar|stote|is: e.g. android has installation that boots from SD card and flashes the system on NAND Nov 26 15:35:43 Ar|stote|is: so yes, it's possible Nov 26 15:49:19 radekp so i can get to that SHR release somehow without fixing my broken AUX button right? Nov 26 15:50:08 yes, it should be possible Nov 26 15:50:34 thanks, all i have to do now is check how to boot android from the sd then Nov 26 15:51:20 it should be possible to boot from SD card and use some NAND writing tool, but i have never did something like this Nov 26 15:54:44 Ar|stote|is: you virtually never need debubo for flashing FR Nov 26 15:55:10 but what's wrong with AUX? Broken? Nov 26 15:55:27 ok i'll search for it while i am trying to find someone brave and knowledgeable to fix my AUX button Nov 26 15:55:29 yeah Nov 26 15:55:51 and im stuck with FDOM that i was trying and apart from it i have no sound Nov 26 15:56:09 that's nasty indeed Nov 26 15:57:26 google for the part number of the switch, which you find in schematics. Those switches can be ordered single quantity via digikey et al Nov 26 15:57:49 just in case a replacement is more reasonable or even needed Nov 26 15:58:43 then for the "brave guy" part: soldering the SMD-switch isn't that hard. Any good repair shop should be able to do Nov 26 15:59:55 i guess i'll have to open the device first to see exactly why the AUX button ain't functioning and see what am i supposed to do from there. Nov 26 16:00:02 for flashing you might get away with shorting the pins/pads of the switch with a short wire or a pair of tweezers Nov 26 16:00:25 opening the case is really easy Nov 26 16:01:12 and I heard of quite a number of cases where simple resoldering of the AUX button worked great Nov 26 16:04:45 im thinking i just have to resold the button Nov 26 16:05:20 it can be pressed but it does nothing so my guess is that the button itself is ok but doesn't make contact Nov 26 16:16:56 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rbed05aabb45e 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_rfkill/plugin.vala: Nov 26 16:16:56 freesmartphone.org: fsodeviced: kernel26: register with the resource subsystem to make every rfkill Nov 26 16:16:56 freesmartphone.org: device autoappear as a resource Nov 26 16:27:33 Ar|stote|is: visit repair shop ASAP, before any further damage is done by operating the loose switch Nov 26 16:28:50 Ar|stote|is: you easily might tear off pads from the PCB and then it's hard or impossible to repair Nov 26 16:30:29 Ar|stote|is: so don't even try to operate the switch. when you opened case, don't pull switch!!! Visit repair job or friend electroncs hobbyist to check switch CAREFULLY with a voltmeter and resolder / replace Nov 26 16:51:30 s/job/shop/ Nov 26 17:23:36 anyone here succesfully running (latest) shr? Nov 26 17:23:44 jup Nov 26 17:23:54 after i fixed the fsodeviced problem ;) Nov 26 17:24:22 which prob was that? Nov 26 17:25:03 the path to fsodeviced changed from /usr/bin to /usr/sbin but wasn't updated in the init.d script. so nothing worked with fso Nov 26 17:25:24 i fixed the path a few minutes ago and now i can use it again :) Nov 26 17:27:11 hi Nov 26 17:27:19 it has PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin shouldn that be ok? Nov 26 17:27:37 and thanks to the kernel update it works a bit smoother than before. especially vala-terminal reacts very fast again like with the old shr-u Nov 26 17:27:58 thats ok, but later on there is a reference where /usr/bin/fsodeviced was used what is wrong Nov 26 17:28:17 it must be /usr/sbin/fsodeviced. it is only one occurence Nov 26 17:31:12 after that change i rebooted and everything was back to normal Nov 26 17:31:15 i never really tried shr Nov 26 17:32:14 at the moment i think it is one of the best distributions, but thats my personal feeling. but it lives on the edge so sometimes it break ;) Nov 26 17:32:24 understood Nov 26 17:33:07 wifi? can connect... would make it bit easier on the eyes.. Nov 26 17:33:12 can't Nov 26 17:33:22 wifi works for me quite good Nov 26 17:33:40 for the first time mokonnect works most of the time Nov 26 17:33:41 Fox_Muldr: you don't have to change the path, just upgrading is enough Nov 26 17:34:03 i couldn't upgrade because without fsodeviced running no wifi nor usb ethernet worked ;) Nov 26 17:34:11 have no network... Nov 26 17:34:29 Fox_Muldr: usb ethernet is independet of fsodeviced Nov 26 17:34:49 shouldn be there a device usb0? Nov 26 17:35:01 so i read in the ml that i just have to change the path to get it working again. and i upgraded a few minutes ago Nov 26 17:35:38 Heinervdm i thought so but it wasn't working no matter what i tried. after fsodeviced was running again it worked. don't know why Nov 26 17:35:45 nge should be there Nov 26 17:36:24 nge you could change /etc/network/interfaces to set default usb0 tcp/ip configuration Nov 26 17:37:12 Heinervdm: g_ether module was loaded but when i attached it to my linux pc the pc never recognized any usb device attached. was quite strange Nov 26 17:37:27 but now it is all back to normal and i'm happy :) Nov 26 17:37:29 Fox_Muldr: strange Nov 26 17:38:22 via gui: ethernet device was not found in connman Nov 26 17:38:35 i also could see that the usb0 interface was there even that it seems not to work Nov 26 17:39:31 if you want to use usb connection than i prefer the "old" way with setting it via interfaces file so i doesn't have to use mokonnect for that Nov 26 17:40:27 so now i have to go eat or my girlfriend will get mad ;) Nov 26 17:40:48 no good, listen to gf Nov 26 17:43:51 wifi get timeout... even no encryption used... Nov 26 17:47:20 mmm, lsusb gives nothing.. Nov 26 18:19:48 Hello all! I'm looking for an openmoko dev (pref based in London). Anyone home? Nov 26 18:20:14 Is there a forum for openmoko dev? Nov 26 18:21:09 #openmoko-cdevel Nov 26 18:21:19 Thanks! Nov 26 18:21:22 np Nov 26 19:07:20 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r6afc005242d7 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/ (13 files in 13 dirs): fsodeviced: fix copy'n'paste errors in fso_register debug function Nov 26 19:38:49 has anyone worked with shr and android ? Nov 26 19:42:14 linx: to view android go to #android-on-freerunner @ irc.freenode.net Nov 26 19:48:57 nge: ifconfig lists no usb0 interface? did you try to "ifup usb0" ? Nov 26 20:22:37 hi everyone I try to get via ssh to my moko its connected to the pc Nov 26 20:22:37 via usb and though it should work it tells me on ifconfig usb0 Nov 26 20:22:37 192.168.0.200 up that ther is No Such device I know it worked before but it doesnt for some reasone now Nov 26 20:29:28 xxtjaxx: read the wiki? read the dmesg? Nov 26 20:31:37 hub 2-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 10 says dmesg Nov 26 20:33:54 xxtjaxx: that's unfun. Probably faulty usb cable/hub? Or try another port? Nov 26 20:34:11 did Nov 26 20:35:05 it got electricity over the other one Nov 26 20:38:58 tried other ports / cable Nov 26 20:38:59 nothing Nov 26 20:44:04 I've had that problem when booting the moko while hooked up. Helps if I boot it up to linux while disconnected. I think it may be my uboot and/or kernel version. Nov 26 20:44:37 the dmesg message was actually on my PC not the moko Nov 26 20:44:41 yes Nov 26 20:55:45 freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * rdc5409fbf9d2 10/src/frameworkd-glib-dbus.c: Nov 26 20:55:45 freesmartphone.org: do NOT set glib loglevel mask for fatal errors Nov 26 20:55:45 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann Nov 26 20:56:10 try to connect the cable Nov 26 20:56:17 when the system is booted Nov 26 21:02:50 panicking: hey :) Nov 26 21:02:53 panicking: great thanks for the patch :) Nov 26 21:03:04 great thanks to you Nov 26 21:03:07 that commit it Nov 26 21:03:12 panicking: it's sad the discussion about it suddenly died a months ago. Shows lack of leadership i guess... Nov 26 21:03:18 I can't do much about it :( Nov 26 21:04:04 Do you have done any test Nov 26 21:04:10 about performance increase Nov 26 21:04:15 with the latest Nov 26 21:04:26 patch on glamo Nov 26 21:04:35 I don't understand exacly Nov 26 21:04:35 if it is trasparent Nov 26 21:04:35 to the software Nov 26 21:05:16 panicking: this patch is tested, you saw the results Weiss posted to the ML and his blog post, didn't you ;). Nov 26 21:07:33 ok I will take a look to the blog post Nov 26 21:07:38 I'm only in kernel mailing list Nov 26 21:09:16 panicking: FIFO is transparent to everyone, just makes the internal engines go faster. waitqueue stuff needs you to be using DRM (and in a sensible way) Nov 26 21:10:23 Ok, but this is true only if you send command Nov 26 21:10:32 or just do a memcpy Nov 26 21:10:36 in the device memeroy Nov 26 21:13:10 I don't think it speeds up memory access from outside.. that's so slow that it doesn't conflict significantly with the LCD engine (as far as I know/guess...?) Nov 26 21:13:24 but, say, if you submit a 2D blit, then it'll be finished in half the time Nov 26 21:38:29 Has anyone tried installing Debian under qemu on matching architecture, and then transfering the image to uSD card to be used in FreeRunner? (eventually changing the kernel along the way) Nov 26 21:52:20 azaghal: matching architecture refers to ARM or quemu host? Nov 26 21:52:46 Well, something to use as kind of dev platform on desktop. Nov 26 21:52:58 With possibility to transfer the thing over to Neo for a spin. Nov 26 21:54:58 azaghal: first get the arm platform then get debootstrap for it 'cause I couldn't think of a live cd that is shipping as ARM Nov 26 21:55:33 Well, I did a net install of Debian on the BeagleBoard, to be honest. Nov 26 21:55:45 ah and it worked? Nov 26 21:55:46 I.e. going through all the steps of the regular installer. Nov 26 21:55:51 For BeagleBoard yes :) Nov 26 21:56:13 neat Nov 26 21:56:45 http://www.aurel32.net/info/debian_arm_qemu.php - I think. Nov 26 21:59:01 Maybe http://www.finalcog.com/howto-install-debian-lenny-arm-qemu-ubuntu-jaunty Nov 26 22:09:54 xxtjaxx: Ok, testing at least the installation right now - I have a spare microsd card as well for testing if it manages to boot on Neo ;) Nov 26 23:50:58 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rd4360a3319bc 10/fsodeviced/ (configure.ac src/plugins/Makefile.am): fsodeviced: player_canberra is now optional and has to be enabled with --enable-player-canberra **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Nov 27 02:59:58 2009