**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 02 02:59:57 2009 Dec 02 03:08:26 sorry everyone, it's just some error in the image i downloaded. Dec 02 03:33:14 hi Dec 02 03:40:17 gonzoism, Hi Dec 02 03:54:26 Hey Ken. Dec 02 03:54:48 Erp. Dec 02 06:56:57 hi everyone, could anyone please tell me how to prevent my freerunner from suspend while i'm connecting it with my computer via usb network? some time the phone goes suspended and the network's disconnected. Dec 02 07:08:13 i disabled suspend on mine, and only suspend it manually. I expect i will change that to suspend after 5 minutes or so, later in the future when i'm not playing on it so much. I don't know if that would be a good work around for you, or not. Dec 02 07:22:52 naquan: plug it in and out some times and it works Dec 02 07:25:29 gonzoism: thank you, I tried disable suspend but sometime i forgot to turn it back on :( Dec 02 07:27:35 naquan: i disabled mine in /etc/frameworkd.conf keyword search for "suspend" and change the value to either 0 or -1 -1 seems to work better for me, as 0 seemed to let it suspend anyways, sometimes. Dec 02 07:28:08 fredrin: thank you, but when i connect through ssh and the phone suspend, the connection 's dropped, it's just a bit annoy. I wonder if there's some way to disable the auto-suspend only when the usb cable plug in Dec 02 07:28:18 then, you can close the window on your icon list, (illume) and get the suspend/lock/poweroff window, or you can hit the power button to suspend it. Dec 02 07:29:52 naquan: one downside of this is that if you get a call, it un-suspends, and won't auto suspend again. i plan on setting the value to like 30 minutes worth of seconds if for some reason i ever start to get calls on it. Dec 02 07:31:52 naquan: if you plug it in and out, it will be disabled Dec 02 07:33:08 or a lame hack that 100% sure works is to install mokomaze and run that everytime Dec 02 07:33:29 mokomaze uses fsoraw to stop suspend Dec 02 07:36:05 gonzoism: thank you Dec 02 07:36:16 my pleasure. :) Dec 02 07:36:24 fredrin: thank you Dec 02 07:36:31 :) Dec 02 07:37:06 :) Dec 02 07:41:56 naquan: i don't remember if i had to restart frameworkd or if i had to reboot for it to take effect. i'm betting you've rebooted it by now. :) Dec 02 07:44:38 gonzoism: i shutdowned it and searching for an stable version of SHR, can i know the version you are using? Dec 02 07:45:40 there is no stable version. just the unstable ones. i'm using the one released a few days/weeks ago. it is in the /topic i think. i'll paste the url after double checking for you Dec 02 07:47:00 http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/ actually, that look newer than the one i have. i guess it is updated often... Dec 02 07:48:54 naquan: my images are dated (here on my box) 11-18 for the filesystem and 11-20 for the kernel. i can md5sum them, if you want as well. Dec 02 07:50:09 naquan, it might be worth using the newest one. i don't know though. i've had my freerunner for about two weeks or so, and am new to this community and not yet really familiar with the best practices for this OS. Dec 02 07:52:46 gonzoism: thank you, i've had mine one week ago :) i'm new to the OS too. Dec 02 07:54:20 gonzoism: i'll try the latest lite image. Dec 02 08:03:45 i would too, if i were you. really a fun phone, isn't it ? Dec 02 08:03:52 nice too Dec 02 08:09:09 gonzoism: yes it is, open source 's alway fun :) Dec 02 09:29:26 hey Dec 02 09:29:39 If I bought Kingston microsd 4gb class 4 Dec 02 09:29:43 all be allgright? Dec 02 09:30:32 <[Rui]> probably Dec 02 09:30:35 kozio: have you read the wiki? ;) Dec 02 09:30:43 ye Dec 02 09:30:55 Kingston SDC4/8GB 8GB SDHC Dec 02 09:31:14 lindi, so? Dec 02 09:31:21 look likes fine Dec 02 09:45:41 openmoko, QTMoko, android, Android Cupcake or qt extended on a Neo Freerunner gta02 ? Dec 02 09:46:03 And is this a good temephone , the Freerunner ? Dec 02 09:46:32 albert2, openmoko is phone for hackers Dec 02 09:47:26 albert2, my brother hacked a royal wireless Dec 02 09:47:27 So no easy install of OS on thephone ? I see it as a cheap iphone alike Dec 02 09:48:16 Really the phone itself is priced really nice Dec 02 09:48:18 easy Dec 02 09:48:38 iphone = gay phone Dec 02 09:48:47 don't buy it Dec 02 09:48:51 i can get 3 of em for the price of One iPhone Dec 02 09:49:12 Albert2 = Apple/mac addict Dec 02 09:49:35 but he also runs Solaris , Haiku (BeOS) & BSD Dec 02 09:50:39 What he doesn't like however is called Windows , but occasionally he runs ReactOS Dec 02 09:51:27 So if i buy this Freerunner Phone ? What OS is Better for it Dec 02 09:52:07 List ; OpenMoko , QTMoko , Android , Android Cupcake , QT Extended Dec 02 09:52:47 & can they be used in a pair of 2 , like dualbooting your phone Dec 02 10:08:26 The Freerunner from Neo comes with this (optional/invluded) DBoard (DebugBoard). Do normal users or normal OS Installation needs this DBoard ? Dec 02 10:09:02 no. Dec 02 10:09:42 albert2: you only need that if you want to debug the kernel or if you somehow manage to brick the NOR flash (which I've never heard of with the GTA02) Dec 02 10:10:00 you shouldn't be able to brick the NOR flash _unless_ you have a debug board Dec 02 10:10:07 and then you can fix it with that Dec 02 10:10:07 indeed Dec 02 10:10:09 is dual OS'es & a bootselectr a possibility ? is it easy to replace the OS Dec 02 10:10:33 with u-boot, a selector is possible, for instance one os on internal nand and one on sd Dec 02 10:10:42 it is easy to replace the os Dec 02 10:10:46 example can i create an iso of the phone's HD on my computer to put it back on phone later ? Dec 02 10:11:42 not an iso (those are applicable to mostly optical media), but an image or a tarball, yes Dec 02 10:11:47 of my list of OS 's above , which are current ,some might be dead already or developement names ? Dec 02 10:11:50 (and it's not a HD as such) Dec 02 10:12:40 i guesh i want 1 based on OpenMoko & 1 Android based solution Dec 02 10:12:50 SHR wasn't listed, you'd probably want to give that a shot on the internal NAND flash, and/ord Debian on the SD Dec 02 10:13:09 in future i would love to see a Darwin based iphone like OS Dec 02 10:13:39 I suppose android on the sd card is an option as well Dec 02 10:13:46 dunno how well that works nowadays on the neo Dec 02 10:15:40 The SHR looks nice too Dec 02 10:16:30 hello all, i flashed my moko with the full-image from 30. nov Dec 02 10:16:49 but if i want to connect over ssh, the system does refuse my connection Dec 02 10:16:57 most probably one ends up running only one OS on his phone , but it's nice to choose from fifferent solutionds at first Dec 02 10:17:14 i haven't done the first setup, but i think, ssh should work anyway Dec 02 10:17:22 (i mean the e17-setup) Dec 02 10:17:35 ah, nothing Dec 02 10:17:45 now it seems to work Dec 02 10:17:55 albert2, shr is probably the one to shoot for of the more traditionally openmokoish things Dec 02 10:18:04 ah, but permissions are denied Dec 02 10:18:12 is there a default-password? Dec 02 10:18:24 to shoot first ? Dec 02 10:18:50 or the best solution ? Dec 02 10:19:15 probably the best Dec 02 10:20:51 skamster: the default password may be blank, try press enter when it ask for password. Dec 02 10:21:06 So what do you guys run on your Neo ? Dec 02 10:21:22 shr Dec 02 10:22:32 qtmoko/shr Dec 02 10:22:55 shr currently, though a really old version, should upgrade (and try the current debian also on the sd) Dec 02 10:28:40 btw, The Neo phone includes wifi Hardware , right ? Dec 02 10:29:11 yes Dec 02 10:30:01 i have not really used it, it does not seem to have the signal strength to connect to the wifi at work from my desk Dec 02 10:30:16 the tool to install the different OS's is linux based only ? or are windows / Mac build being developed Dec 02 10:31:03 not that it matters much Dec 02 10:32:17 any Belgians here , who bought from KD85.com, their Neo ? Dec 02 12:18:12 hi Dec 02 12:18:35 hello Dec 02 12:18:38 hello Dec 02 17:53:01 hi, anybody managed to get 2.6.31 kernel to suspend/resume? Dec 02 17:53:17 mine seems to just suspend Dec 02 19:32:52 hi Dec 02 19:35:20 hows opkg working on the shr-u? Dec 02 19:35:28 upgrade Dec 02 20:05:03 flashed shr-u and it asks for a password but it is not default? anyone know what it is? Dec 02 20:05:22 i mean it is not blank by default Dec 02 20:29:28 zedstar: the root password is blank but they've switched to openssh with a configuration that does not permit empty passwords Dec 02 20:31:57 mmontour ah thanks......thought something was odd! **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 03 04:00:14 2009 Dec 03 04:01:09 mer is open source and maemo is closed source. Dec 03 04:02:15 gonzoism, Is that the only difference? Dec 03 04:03:21 i don't think so. but i think that is the main one. Dec 03 04:03:53 i asked in #mer and got: gonzoism: Mer aims to be open source, whereas Maemo is closed Dec 03 04:04:48 gonzoism, I must confess, I've never even heard of mer. Dec 03 04:08:57 i had heard of it on the openmoko wiki. android is the only thing i had heard of besides openmoko before i got the phone. i knew there was more, just hadn't looked around. Dec 03 04:09:25 mer is said to be %100 compatible with the freerunner. fully supported. its on the openmoko wiki under distributions. Dec 03 04:09:51 gonzoism, Thanks for the info - I'll check it out. Dec 03 04:10:18 my pleasure Dec 03 04:11:45 gonzoism, It's sorta sad the installation notes use the subjunctive tense. Dec 03 04:13:06 heh Dec 03 04:13:38 i think it didn't get updated. there is a maemo and mer wiki. i went to it. Dec 03 04:13:42 want the url ? Dec 03 04:14:02 gonzoism, Yes, please. Dec 03 04:14:32 http://wiki.maemo.org you can find mer on there. Dec 03 04:14:48 Thanks Dec 03 04:14:52 i didn't see a mer wiki, but i wasn't looking for it, and it likely exists. Dec 03 04:14:59 :) Dec 03 04:16:37 is there a better game than Numpty Physics ? Dec 03 04:17:22 i just love that game. everyone i show it to gets instantly addicted. Dec 03 04:17:30 its fun ! Dec 03 04:35:27 KenYoung: i think its using the subjunctive tense because nobody has updated the page. Dec 03 04:35:36 that's sad too. :) Dec 03 06:49:36 excuse me, could anyone please tell me how to get the elementary package install in SHR? I called "opkg install elementary" and it return a "can not find package" error. I need elementary to install intone-video. Dec 03 09:13:18 hello all Dec 03 09:13:58 i just want to ask how i could install the game geekocotchi Dec 03 09:14:09 which is in the shr-git Dec 03 09:14:16 but not in the shr-repos Dec 03 09:17:34 wget Dec 03 09:17:38 opkg install Dec 03 09:41:46 I have recent shr-unstable and having a problems with running navit. anyone got the same issue and maybye some solution? Dec 03 09:42:01 ndnihil: it isn't so easy.. :s Dec 03 09:42:31 there is just some code on git.shr-project.org with a little description, but no package Dec 03 09:42:47 but maybe someone does make a package..? Dec 03 09:43:16 tried opkg.org or angstrom dist? Dec 03 09:44:23 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/ Dec 03 09:45:01 nothing in opkg.org.. and i don't belive it's in angstrom, because it's a shr-thing.. but i will look.. maybe.. Dec 03 09:45:18 (i mean, maybe there it is, not maybe i will look ;) ) Dec 03 09:46:34 also nothing Dec 03 09:47:52 mmh, ok, i'm just interessting.. maybe they wait for a release Dec 03 09:48:39 ah, but another question.. i want to delete all my contacts from my simcard.. but there's no more clear for contacts in shr-settings.. Dec 03 09:48:51 is this a bug or would it be removed? Dec 03 09:49:18 dunno, haven't messed with contacts in a while Dec 03 09:49:28 and the shr I'm running is quite old Dec 03 09:51:18 ah, ok.. Dec 03 10:37:10 <_Andrew> Is there any new information on the newer model that's being worked on for next year? Dec 03 10:38:59 _Andrew: GTA02-core you mean? Dec 03 11:00:39 <_Andrew> GTA03 Dec 03 11:03:53 _Andrew: it's cancelled Dec 03 11:05:13 <_Andrew> oh Dec 03 11:07:49 <_Andrew> ah yes I read on wikipedia now Dec 03 11:07:55 <_Andrew> rip openmoko I guess Dec 03 11:11:08 Wikireader sales perhaps say otherwise :) Dec 03 11:21:28 where can I buy Open Moko phone in South Africa Dec 03 11:21:30 ? Dec 03 11:26:37 there's a distributor list on openmoko.com iirc Dec 03 12:04:17 hi all, i use shr-dialer with an X server with twm as a window manager. the shr-dialer window is real tiny, is there a way to set the shr-dialer window size ? Dec 03 12:06:50 edje2: are you using ophonekitd-based version? Dec 03 12:06:50 yes Dec 03 12:07:36 edje2: then probably even if it is shr problem, it won't be fixed since the development is now all about phoneui stuff. Dec 03 12:08:03 edje2: you probably want to set a custom parameter for twm to maximise the dialer window. Dec 03 12:08:50 ok, so time for me to look at the phoneui stuff then! ( the window size is fixed, you cannot change it in the windowmanager ) Dec 03 12:08:54 everslick: you probably could fix shr-dialer to give wm a hint about its size? Dec 03 12:10:04 well, if phoneui is the way forward, i will give that a try. any tutorials on how the phoneui works? ( what process handles incomming calls etc) Dec 03 12:11:10 never used phoneui Dec 03 12:19:05 edje2: WM that is used in SHR always enlarges the window size to fullscreen. Dec 03 12:20:01 hmm, yes i thought that much, so little change to use it on another WM then right. i just need e Dec 03 12:20:28 edje2: yes, here on debian shr-dialer works "ok" with illume. Dec 03 12:20:38 edje2: i think the same is right for matchbox-wm Dec 03 12:22:27 ah, ok so i will start to do a little "windows shopping" :-) Dec 03 12:25:49 edje2: phonui is using fso. And opimd :d Dec 03 12:27:39 well, i am not to interested in fancy features, making calls and sending text messages is good enough. Dec 03 12:29:12 edje2: opimd should be really good to have Dec 03 12:29:37 ok, what are the real benefits ? Dec 03 12:31:28 edje2: unlimited storage for messages and contacts Dec 03 12:31:52 ah, ok, now my sim card is full with 16 mesages :-D Dec 03 12:32:02 See? ;) Dec 03 12:32:37 so far i have no yet hiet the contacs limmit Dec 03 12:32:41 hit* Dec 03 12:34:01 edje2: the real benefit is that any contact might have multiple numbers, e-mails, icqs, jabbers etc. Dec 03 12:36:01 ah, ok, well for me that is just a "nice to have" now i use "gsm_joe" home_joe" etc for diffrent numbers Dec 03 12:37:54 edje2: lucky you if you have less than 10 person to talk. Dec 03 12:38:08 edje2: I have more than 150 Dec 03 12:38:25 many of them with 2 or 3 phone numbers.... Dec 03 15:59:46 erh shr damn! Dec 03 15:59:59 midori i can't hit the rest of the settings for :( Dec 03 16:00:07 so i can't pretend to be an ipoo anymore :( Dec 03 16:05:28 major pita. midori prefs dialogs should have been fixed "last year" Dec 03 16:05:51 DocScrutinizer-8: they worked in the sept release. Dec 03 16:06:09 duh, they did?? Dec 03 16:06:21 yep Dec 03 16:06:31 *someone* decided to break stuff again Dec 03 16:06:33 :P Dec 03 16:07:09 d1b: so /join #openmoko-cdevel and kick some asses please ;-D Dec 03 16:07:34 DocScrutinizer-8: lol Dec 03 16:07:49 nah, no kidding Dec 03 16:07:53 if android didn't have this big suspend bug. Dec 03 16:07:56 i would be using that. Dec 03 16:09:36 honestly, join *cdevel, and raise the issue to mrmoku please Dec 03 16:09:46 i did Dec 03 16:10:00 the other issue is the totally unreliable gsm activiation. Dec 03 16:10:05 debian / android can do it no problems. Dec 03 16:10:13 (request my sim pin) Dec 03 16:10:18 shr .... is iffy. Dec 03 16:13:43 Re: "iffy". Here's anecdotal evidence, of what I'm not sure. I used to be sad that I had to take the battery out of my SHR OM GTA02(a5) a couple of times a week. Last week I met an old friend with a BBery Storm. She was whinging that she has to take the battery out and reset it several times *a day*! She was also whinging about this the week before at a meeting, when somebody else held up a Storm and said "me too - 3x/day". Theirs is for logic lo Dec 03 16:23:26 all reasonably recent SHR should power down at least on 8seconds powerbutton hold Dec 03 16:24:47 WiFi kernel driver might cause a PANIC though. This *could* result in total lockup that needs bat removal Dec 03 17:34:45 <_Fox_Muldr> anyone know the problem why debian can't update the python-apt package ? i got an error like "File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 2112 SyntaxError: invalid syntax" Dec 03 17:35:00 <_Fox_Muldr> and in this line is an "else:" statement Dec 03 18:46:11 hello Dec 03 18:47:32 hi Dec 03 18:49:33 has anyone tried the nov 30 shr-u image? Dec 03 18:50:12 I can't figure out how to turn on wifi to save my life... it's not in the connectivity settings like it used to be Dec 03 19:17:18 stongo: read the FSO_Resources wiki page please Dec 03 19:28:55 paulfertser: so it's been removed from the settings in favour of having to manually start it? Dec 03 19:29:21 stongo: i do not think so. Dec 03 19:29:54 but it has been removed from the latest image.... Dec 03 19:30:19 stongo: do you mean you want to have a gui to alter resource policies? Dec 03 19:40:17 paul: there's no longe ra GUI for turning wifi on and off Dec 03 19:44:24 stongo: moved to mokonnect I'd guess Dec 03 19:45:14 mokonnect crashes as soon as launched Dec 03 19:45:31 I guess maybe the latest image isn't very usable at this point Dec 03 19:47:05 hmmm, see channel topic Dec 03 19:54:19 stongo: there's no notion of turning "on and off", forget about it! Dec 03 19:54:31 stongo: have you actually read what's written on the page? Dec 03 19:59:19 paul: it says it's set to auto, but it obviously doesn't work Dec 03 19:59:29 so I was hoping there was still a GUI to manually do it Dec 03 20:00:36 I've never been able to connect to wifi using mokonnect Dec 03 20:00:56 i've always had to install mofi and manually create a wpa_supplicant.conf for mofi to work Dec 03 20:01:50 there's still a manual gui switch for bluetooth Dec 03 20:03:22 Recommended: old-images/shr-*--20090808-om-gta02.rootfs.* Dec 03 20:03:29 WTH?! who set that crap? Dec 03 20:03:43 DocScrutinizer, was it you? Dec 03 20:05:19 stongo: please read the fucking page Dec 03 20:08:24 paul: what am I missing? "However, it is possible to throw a "hard switch" to force the resource to be always enabled or disabled, regardless of what applications request it. This can be done with the help of the SHR Settings GUI or from the command line using an appropriate mdbus call." Dec 03 20:09:57 TAsn: yes! Dec 03 20:10:09 why? Dec 03 20:10:21 people (especially me) like the new image :P Dec 03 20:10:23 why not? Dec 03 20:10:35 and i'm bitching because the wifi SHR settings GUI is not longer there Dec 03 20:10:41 because it's not the one we recommend Dec 03 20:10:59 Tasn: I agree. the one you recommend is far more stable and usable Dec 03 20:11:02 stongo: changing resource policies is for testing/debugging purposes only Dec 03 20:11:20 stongo, was that sarcasm? Dec 03 20:11:22 :P Dec 03 20:11:27 aah ya. I asked a lot of people to ping me when new image is *really* usable for daily phone. Until that happend and I checked, that title won't change Dec 03 20:11:42 so please check. Dec 03 20:11:46 And everyone who disagrees will be kicked :E Dec 03 20:11:46 latest image opkg upgrade Dec 03 20:11:46 :P Dec 03 20:11:47 ;) Dec 03 20:12:04 hahah sarcastic ;) Dec 03 20:12:19 the old image is definitely better at this point Dec 03 20:12:29 stongo, no idea what you are talking about. Dec 03 20:12:35 What's wrong with the new one? Dec 03 20:12:43 because to tell you the truth Dec 03 20:12:47 I can't fix what's not broken :| Dec 03 20:12:48 TAsn: he can't understand fso resource policies Dec 03 20:13:00 what is there not to understand? Dec 03 20:13:02 PaulFertser, oh, sounds like a big bug in shr. Dec 03 20:13:05 I can't connect to wifi Dec 03 20:13:15 TAsn: you see ;) read the backlog Dec 03 20:13:20 when opkg updated the new shr on tuesday all hell broke loose (messages/contacts/etc would not open), and i went back to sundays image. is it safe to opkg upgrade today? Dec 03 20:13:58 ssam, we don't break the image anymore Dec 03 20:14:01 it's not our style Dec 03 20:14:03 if something breaks Dec 03 20:14:05 let us know. Dec 03 20:14:11 it's always safe to upgrade nowdays Dec 03 20:14:59 paul: so your argument is that i'm dumb because I'd prefer to have a GUI to manually set resource policy? Dec 03 20:15:20 tasn, i asked in cdevel and " ssam, it was big mistake to update today)" Dec 03 20:15:35 sounds great to take out the GUI and have resources start automatically, if everything actually works Dec 03 20:15:39 ssam, hehe Dec 03 20:15:43 well from what I know Dec 03 20:15:46 does nowadys not include tuesday :-) Dec 03 20:15:46 we don't break stuff anymore Dec 03 20:15:59 probably tuesday was an exception Dec 03 20:16:07 I don't like tuesdays anyway Dec 03 20:16:20 never did get the hang of tuesdays Dec 03 20:16:42 exactly. :P Dec 03 20:16:45 ssam, though actually Dec 03 20:16:47 if you can wait Dec 03 20:16:51 don't upgrade ATM Dec 03 20:16:55 because we are building Dec 03 20:16:58 new cool stuff Dec 03 20:17:02 :-) ok Dec 03 20:17:06 so if you are anxious, wait a moment or two :P Dec 03 20:17:12 (#openmoko-cdevel for updates) Dec 03 20:19:14 +cheese Dec 03 20:22:00 when can i upgrade ? Dec 03 20:22:37 why not? Dec 03 20:22:43 I opkg upgrade daily Dec 03 20:22:50 ok i will try Dec 03 20:23:02 (sometime even build my own when it's repos don't build fast enough) Dec 03 20:23:08 slaxxer, you'll get you have nothing to upgrade Dec 03 20:23:11 (build host issues) Dec 03 20:25:43 so am I the only one where mokonnect crashes on launch? Dec 03 20:25:52 probably. Dec 03 20:26:05 run from terminal Dec 03 20:26:08 and tell us what you get. Dec 03 20:26:42 ok Dec 03 20:28:36 win.destroy = shutdown Dec 03 20:29:07 no attribute destroy Dec 03 20:29:15 stupid irc won't let me paste it Dec 03 20:29:49 it says usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/connection.py242:DeprecationWarning... Dec 03 20:29:55 20091130 Dec 03 20:29:56 and then what slaxxer says Dec 03 20:30:37 yup, that's the image i'm having problems with Dec 03 20:31:20 stongo: my argument is that you're dumb (it's your words, not mine ;) ) because you want to set a resource policy manually when in fact everything should work with "auto" resource policy. Dec 03 20:31:27 whats the ssh passwd anyways Dec 03 20:32:08 things dissappear when stuff works right Dec 03 20:32:20 paul: but you admitted that turning it on manually is useful for debugging...and this image is obviously still in need of debugging... Dec 03 20:32:29 and I know mokonnect used to crash when wifi wasn't enabled Dec 03 20:32:44 so maybe i'm not so fucking dumb Dec 03 20:34:02 sounds like the retarded argument for removing the settings icon wrench in om2008.x Dec 03 20:34:30 "you shouldn't need to go there anyway, so we removed it." Dec 03 20:35:51 stongo: it's not me who removed it. And i do not found it logical to have a button to alter bluetooth policy but to leave the wifi button out. Dec 03 20:36:00 tasn i seem to have no password for ssh Dec 03 20:36:20 slaxxer, we switched to open-ssh Dec 03 20:36:26 stongo: please do not be offended but it still seems to me you do not understand the concept, the idea, the vision behind the policies. Dec 03 20:36:26 instead of dropbear Dec 03 20:36:31 oic Dec 03 20:36:43 and set it Dec 03 20:36:47 not to allow empty root passwords Dec 03 20:36:58 so you need to set a root password if you want to use ssh Dec 03 20:39:27 paul: I get the concept, it's not that difficult to grasp. But I don't get why this policy would be forced on an unstable distro, where having easy access to manually overriding resource policies is very useful Dec 03 20:39:43 anybody using the .31 kernel? Dec 03 20:39:58 slaxxer: intermittently.. Dec 03 20:40:17 no gsm? Dec 03 20:40:34 nope, FSO needs to be updated to use it (apparently) Dec 03 20:41:09 slaxxer: gsm is turned off by default it seems, and the automatic resource handling should turn it on, apparently Dec 03 20:41:20 only when you launch the dialer Dec 03 20:41:22 :) Dec 03 20:41:42 stongo: come on, it's gnu/linux, just create a script that calls mdbus and create a shortcut ;) Dec 03 20:41:43 Configuration file '/etc/libphoneui.conf' Dec 03 20:41:44 ==> File on system created by you or by a script. Dec 03 20:41:44 ==> File also in package provided by package maintainer. Dec 03 20:41:44 What would you like to do about it ? Your options are: Dec 03 20:41:44 Y or I : install the package maintainer's version Dec 03 20:41:45 N or O : keep your currently-installed version Dec 03 20:41:47 D : show the differences between the versions (if diff is installed) Dec 03 20:41:49 The default action is to keep your current version. Dec 03 20:42:02 stongo: i'm not defending the decision to remove the switch, but i'm trying to justify it's not really needed. Dec 03 20:42:02 what to do? install it? Dec 03 20:42:08 no Dec 03 20:42:19 rebooting the projects vm. Dec 03 20:42:22 actually that's the only unstable thing in the upgrade Dec 03 20:42:30 this config file breaks stuff :P Dec 03 20:42:30 ok Dec 03 20:43:07 ssam, the only thing that's broken is this ^ Dec 03 20:43:18 ok Dec 03 20:43:35 paul: not absolutely necessary, but it's damn useful Dec 03 20:43:44 it it worth waiting a few mins for the fix, or will it take longer Dec 03 20:44:00 ssam, longer. Dec 03 20:44:05 Bug in OE Dec 03 20:44:13 mrmoku is trying to trace and fix :| Dec 03 20:44:20 yay Dec 03 20:46:02 will the neo theme operate correctly? Dec 03 20:46:29 no idea. Dec 03 20:46:34 never tested that one. Dec 03 20:47:07 i dont care fro that blinding white light behind the icons Dec 03 20:47:42 isnt black cheaper Dec 03 20:48:12 i thought white was cheaper on lcd Dec 03 20:48:23 i dont know Dec 03 20:48:36 you have to apply a voltage to get black Dec 03 20:49:01 might depend on the lcd tech, TN, IPS, VA etc Dec 03 20:49:11 hm.. no weird permissions... well... works again Dec 03 20:52:35 roh: hey, congrats :) Dec 03 20:52:44 ? Dec 03 20:53:03 roh: rebooted successfully, completed the task, now you can continue with more interesting stuff :) Dec 03 20:53:20 didnt do anything, just stop and start since ive seen a mail from a user by accident (klicked on the wrong folder) Dec 03 20:53:26 he was lucky Dec 03 20:54:28 IF i fixed his problem.... anyhow.. i still get mails from trac.. i guess.. so use admin trac if something stops working. Dec 03 20:55:03 how is stuff progressing elsewise? Dec 03 20:55:42 were there any changes in uboot or so? still have a bricked device from a friend of a friend here to unbrick... wasnt urgent enough Dec 03 20:56:36 roh: unbrick? bricked? what are you talking about? ;) Dec 03 20:57:17 PaulFertser i just remembered that i still got that gta02 around which somebody wants back some time when fixed. Dec 03 20:57:28 havent touched any moko bit in month Dec 03 20:57:59 besides skimming gta02-core lists and following nanonote loosely Dec 03 20:59:08 roh: you know it's better than me that gta02 should have nor bootloader so you can flash anything to nand... Dec 03 21:04:25 Paul yeah.. but somehow thatb one seems to have garbage in both Dec 03 21:04:33 or something like that.. will see... Dec 03 21:04:48 guess will get thee bats charged first *g* Dec 03 21:08:50 roh: there were some devices with empty nor, luckily you still have a functional dboard around :) And i prefer qi btw. ;) Dec 03 21:14:57 tasn, apart from /etc/libphoneui.conf i should accept the maintainers versions of config files, right? Dec 03 21:15:04 yes. Dec 03 21:15:11 Hi, apparently shr-unstable has a root password now, what is it ? Dec 03 21:15:14 ssam, alsa apart from Dec 03 21:15:17 libphone-utils.conf Dec 03 21:15:20 as you want to keep yours :P Dec 03 21:15:32 always diff before accepting maintainers version Dec 03 21:15:37 that's a good rule of thumb. Dec 03 21:16:02 ok, thanks Dec 03 21:16:25 Any shr-unstable users here who are trying the image of 30 november Dec 03 21:16:33