**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 05 02:59:57 2009 Dec 05 03:01:17 i havent gotten gsm to work with the debian install Dec 05 03:09:08 slaxxer: thank you, i'm search a distribution that can install a pdf reader. The opkg on SHR din't work well enough :( Dec 05 03:09:53 neovento comes with one if im not incorrect Dec 05 03:20:46 slaxxer: wow, thank you very much, it looks cool :) i'll try Dec 05 03:25:06 hackable1 may suit your needs Dec 05 03:32:58 slaxxer: thank you :) Dec 05 04:27:39 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091204/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_holiday_tech_gifts_budget;_ylt=AmZUbvoMowbyxxrARjHv2kEjtBAF;_ylu=X3oDMTMxOTIwZWFvBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkxMjA0L3VzX3RlY19ob2xpZGF5X3RlY2hfZ2lmdHNfYnVkZ2V0BGNwb3MDMQRwb3MDMwRzZWMDeW5fdG9wX3N0b3J5BHNsawNmdWxsbmJzcHN0b3I- Dec 05 04:28:12 3rd on the list Dec 05 04:37:26 :) Dec 05 07:55:29 hm.. is there a command i can use in a script to make the vibrator go for a few seconds? Dec 05 07:56:32 I think it's accessible via dbus Dec 05 07:56:38 if I remember right Dec 05 07:56:40 want to make a cron task for every 5min that makes the phone vibrate if its not on charge. Since my phone is always either on charge or suspended in my pocket i figure a vibrate every 5min will stop me missing sms/calls. Dec 05 07:56:57 that wont work if it's suspended Dec 05 07:57:03 thats the point Dec 05 07:57:21 if i get a sms phone will wake up and vibrate every 5min until i suspend it again Dec 05 07:57:47 you'll have to disable auto-suspend Dec 05 07:57:58 i always do that Dec 05 07:58:06 much prefer to suspend it myself Dec 05 07:58:23 agreed Dec 05 07:58:36 in that case, try dbus Dec 05 07:58:41 thanks Dec 05 07:58:49 ill have a look at it Dec 05 08:13:06 Psi: either that or tweak sysfs nodes directly. Dec 05 08:15:13 is there a vibrate on off one? Dec 05 08:17:05 Psi: /sys/class/leds/neo1973:vibrator Dec 05 08:18:55 hi all, Dec 05 08:20:28 I use the latest shr-u and updated it today, I can't turn gsm antenna on and get this message in fsousaged.log : UsageController [ERROR] <8 resources>: Resource GSM can't be enabled: Dec 05 08:21:23 any one have the same problem or a solution or an idea of something to check ? Dec 05 08:22:12 rddDavid51: try a couple of take battery out and reboot cycles ... Dec 05 08:22:34 I am finding that (possibly dbus) is very fragile at the moment :( Dec 05 08:23:24 BillK_: I've already rebooted some times, I will continue and see if I get it working. Dec 05 08:24:49 try battery out for 30 secs or so - some times the hardware locks up. Dec 05 08:25:37 BillK_: I read somewhere (but don't remember where ML or IRC) that it may be because one of the daemons in vala starts too fast and request something to a daemon in python that is not up because it's slower Dec 05 08:26:22 PaulFertser: heh, that works well Dec 05 08:26:24 thanks Dec 05 08:26:32 Psi: welcome Dec 05 08:26:47 BillK_: But I can't find where and I don't remember which daemon to restart, I tried all the shr and fso ones in different order with no luck Dec 05 09:22:09 * PaulFertser likes how the official reaction on bug 5337 confirms what he said earlier about nokia, same story, different faces, same outcome. Dec 05 09:22:26 N900 can't get a fix without the internet connection, LOL Dec 05 09:22:33 GPS fix i mean. Dec 05 09:22:44 PaulFertser: link? Dec 05 09:23:52 Weiss: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5337 Dec 05 09:50:24 script works Dec 05 09:50:29 vibrates every 5min Dec 05 09:50:36 as long as its not on charge Dec 05 09:52:17 BillK_: Thx for your help, I changed my battery and I got the PIN dialog. I'll see if it works on next reboot with this battery. Even thouth I think the battery or its emptyness should have anything to do with GSM Dec 05 09:58:34 Psi: yo, do not forget to share with the community ;) Dec 05 10:08:01 here it is http://pastebin.com/f7bfd2003 Dec 05 10:08:07 not exactly complex :) Dec 05 10:08:19 i call it from cron Dec 05 10:09:03 Psi: should i post it to the community ML for you? ;) Dec 05 10:09:29 Psi: it's just an interesting and probably useful configuration you did there. Dec 05 10:09:44 go for it :) Dec 05 10:16:29 hi, how should I do an opkg upgrade? I've tried with vala terminal and though ssh but the phone always hangs and can't finish the upgrade. Dec 05 10:16:45 s/though/through/ Dec 05 10:16:45 spacepluk meant: hi, how should I do an opkg upgrade? I've tried with vala terminal and through ssh but the phone always hangs and can't finish the upgrade. Dec 05 10:18:54 PaulFertser: you got a n900? Dec 05 10:19:29 fredrin: sure not Dec 05 10:19:45 i don need no shit in ma poket Dec 05 10:19:50 heh Dec 05 10:20:11 what you dont like? Dec 05 10:24:32 spacepluk: make some swap. probably opkg uses all avaliable memory Dec 05 10:30:55 fredrin: the price, the closeness, the nokia attitude. Dec 05 10:31:40 everything is close relative to the FR Dec 05 10:32:02 :) Dec 05 10:32:24 fredrin: n900 is too damn close :( Dec 05 10:32:28 and the price is too much, that's true, but compared to iphone it's cheap Dec 05 10:32:50 but more open than most other phones i know about Dec 05 10:36:33 rddDavid51: battery could be problem if it cant supply the current when needed (i.e, when GSM is transmitting) - how old is it? Dec 05 10:37:27 which is the most stable dist right now? and which one has the best sound on phonecalls? Dec 05 10:37:32 In fact the battery that didn't work was full and the one which worked was nealy empty Dec 05 10:37:59 they are both batteries I got while gette the buzz fix Dec 05 10:38:16 so about 3 month ago Dec 05 10:41:23 BillK_: maybe I was lucky the one time I got the GSM work and the fact that I changed the battery has nothing to do with it Dec 05 10:41:53 previous shr-u boots fine on the battery that didn't work Dec 05 10:42:51 is the audio settings okay for phone calls in SHR or are the sound very low? Dec 05 10:43:04 i never had any problems with the audio in shr Dec 05 10:43:20 Psi, okay, nice Dec 05 10:43:22 not on phone calls anyway Dec 05 10:43:29 but i have gta01 tho Dec 05 10:43:35 ah Dec 05 10:43:44 anyone who have gta02? Dec 05 10:43:56 spydon: I have, with buzz fix Dec 05 10:43:57 spydon: latest shr-u has sliders to tune the mic and speaker volume Dec 05 10:44:03 shr just came out of a big change, its probably not the most stable atm Dec 05 10:44:10 spydon: it's not bad (i.e. people don't complain) Dec 05 10:44:29 okay :P Dec 05 10:44:39 Psi, which one would you say is the most stable then? Dec 05 10:44:46 and I wont go with android Dec 05 10:45:01 i can only say which image was the most stable for gta01 Dec 05 10:45:06 spydon: MOTD of IRC still says 20090808... Dec 05 10:45:31 spydon: but with that one, you must not do opkg upgrade Dec 05 10:45:45 spydon: or install anything, which leads to packages being upgraded Dec 05 10:45:54 Yeah I know, that sucks :P Dec 05 10:47:21 the is shr-testing now Dec 05 10:47:42 ssam: how is it? and from when? :P Dec 05 10:48:52 probably here http://shr.bearstech.com/ Dec 05 10:49:16 http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.shr.devel/1468 Dec 05 10:50:43 ssam: seems wonderful Dec 05 10:51:00 ssam: maybe the testing goes into NAND and the unstable onto SD Dec 05 10:51:15 indeed, i'll prob flash to it today (have been having fun with recent shr-u) Dec 05 10:53:57 * Psi goes to watch sgu then sleep, nite Dec 05 10:54:08 bb Psi Dec 05 10:54:25 the only thing I have disliked on the FR from the start (apart from HW issues) is the microSD being below battery and SIM Dec 05 10:54:37 I would rather have it hotpluggable Dec 05 12:32:12 tomcatek: thanks, I seems that it's working :) Dec 05 12:32:35 s/I/It/ Dec 05 12:32:36 spacepluk meant: tomcatek: thanks, It seems that it's working :) Dec 05 12:42:10 spacepluk: no problem :] Dec 05 13:04:13 how do I enable gps? I can't find the option in the settings/wiki. Dec 05 13:05:57 Oh, I've just found it Dec 05 13:10:07 spacepluk: if any program requests GPS it should be turned on automaticly Dec 05 13:16:04 tomatek, would that mean on exit the GPS device would be shut off? Dec 05 13:16:32 qyes Dec 05 13:16:36 yes Dec 05 13:16:48 at least in SHR :] Dec 05 13:59:52 I can't get gps to work. I guess I'm too optimistic trying from the couch :D Dec 05 14:05:16 gps doesn't work indoor Dec 05 14:07:46 spacepluk: if You are feeling lucky, You can try putting FR nest to the window. Dec 05 14:08:01 s/nest/next Dec 05 14:08:21 surprisingly gps on the FR works indoors here Dec 05 14:08:33 where my garmin handheld has no signal at all Dec 05 14:08:46 this is an old house with plaster over wire mesh Dec 05 14:08:52 * ndnihil lives in a faraday cage Dec 05 14:24:39 * mwester has one of those "faraday cages" as well, but (poorly done) renovations by some so-called handyman in the past made it a rather "leaky" faraday cage. :) Dec 05 14:25:40 * mwester also has a squirrel living in the attic that he cannot seem to evict, so it's not just the plaster walls that are compromised! Dec 05 14:26:24 I've gotten rid of lots of squirrels Dec 05 14:26:28 I trap them Dec 05 14:26:36 little fuckers love peanut butter Dec 05 14:26:49 gf made me promise I wouldn't kill them Dec 05 14:26:58 so I dropped them off outside a wolf sanctuary :) Dec 05 14:27:05 ndnihil: doesn't mean the dog won't do your dirty work for you though Dec 05 14:27:20 I bet wolves love peanut butter flavored squirrel Dec 05 14:27:24 or a pack of ravenous wolves. that has an ever better ring to it actually Dec 05 14:27:27 Gah! I have the same problem -- the wife won't let me kill the bugger. And the live trap doesn't seem to work. Dec 05 14:27:49 I think last count was 24 that I had relocated Dec 05 14:28:08 furry little bastards kept shitting on my car Dec 05 14:29:10 We're hoping, if finances permit, to tear it down this coming summer and have a new structure built at least to the point where it's livable by next winter... but with modern building materials (metalized films on windows, etc), I suspect the new house will also be somewhat of a faraday cage. Dec 05 14:29:56 But without the squirrel. Dec 05 14:58:18 hi all Dec 05 15:00:41 tomcatek: the window is too far away, I'm feeling lazy today :D Dec 05 15:01:12 hehehe Dec 05 15:18:08 hey. i'm using SHR testing latest version, for some reason i can't onnect to the device with SSH. can i have help? Dec 05 15:19:12 Ddorda: did you set the root password? Dec 05 15:20:00 I get this error on today's SHR upgrade, is SHR dropping dropbear for openssh?? http://pastebin.com/m27c23056 Dec 05 15:20:37 PaulFertser: no Dec 05 15:20:44 but i'm not even asked for pass Dec 05 15:20:49 Ddorda: no wonder then, openssh doesn't allow a blank root password. Dec 05 15:21:05 pabs3: yes, shr is using openssh from now on. Dec 05 15:21:10 so i need to change my root pass first? Dec 05 15:22:33 Ddorda: sure Dec 05 15:24:33 PaulFertser: any idea what the rationale is? I would have thought dropbear would use less RAM and thus be better for at least the FR Dec 05 15:25:38 pabs3: not really, sorry. Ask TAsn . Dec 05 15:25:55 TAsn: ^ Dec 05 15:26:06 discussion is in the shr ml archives. Dec 05 15:26:27 PaulFertser: i gave it a pass, still can't connect. i have restarted sshd, still - nothing Dec 05 15:27:48 mwester: any particular month/year? Dec 05 15:28:07 It was a while ago - months, I think -- you'll have to search. Dec 05 15:28:07 pabs3: it was recent i think Dec 05 15:28:24 * pabs3 goes digging Dec 05 15:28:25 Was it discussed a second time, then? Could be; I've been busy.. Dec 05 15:28:39 * pabs3 presumes shr-devel was the list Dec 05 15:29:11 be assured it was a wise decision. :D Dec 05 15:29:41 arightythen we have a testing image Dec 05 15:30:03 PaulFertser: any idea? Dec 05 15:32:33 Ddorda: start sshd in debug mode... Dec 05 15:32:54 PaulFertser: how do i do that? Dec 05 15:33:01 Ddorda: man sshd first, probably Dec 05 15:33:27 aha, it was shr-user rather than shr-devel Dec 05 15:33:39 http://lists.shr-project.org/pipermail/shr-user/2009-May/thread.html#375 Dec 05 15:33:48 Ddorda did u reboot atleast one time? Dec 05 15:38:12 slaxxer: indeed Dec 05 15:38:22 i will try to reboot again Dec 05 15:56:37 PaulFertser: to read the man from the device seems to be very bad to my poor eyes :P Dec 05 15:57:03 Ddorda: you say you want to ssh from somewhere, i assume that's a more powerful device with a bigger screen Dec 05 15:57:05 Ddorda: You can always make the font bigger :P Dec 05 15:58:00 PaulFertser: now when i try it, i see that there's no such man (in my Ubuntu and in the device Dec 05 15:58:54 in SHR i don't even have man, and in Ubuntu i don't have sshd entry Dec 05 16:00:00 Ddorda: maybe you have not installed sshd on ubuntu? Dec 05 16:00:18 Ddorda: probably because you do not have sshd installed. But you could have used google to search for the man page. Just use -d option Dec 05 16:10:40 PaulFertser: the debug said that the address 192.168.0.202 on port 22 is already in use Dec 05 16:10:45 how do i change the address Dec 05 16:10:45 ? Dec 05 16:11:13 Ddorda: did You reove dropbear? Dec 05 16:11:43 i didn't remove anything, it's a clean SHR install Dec 05 16:11:46 if You are using openssh Dec 05 16:11:50 ou Dec 05 16:12:05 strange Dec 05 16:12:40 Ddorda: means you still have sshd started in background and trying to start another instance on the same port Dec 05 16:13:01 i see. le me stop it :P Dec 05 16:14:37 PaulFertser: it's listening, but when i try to connect from my PC, it doesn't even say anything on the device Dec 05 16:14:58 Ddorda: then probably you need to check your networking setup. Try pinging first. Dec 05 16:16:24 PaulFertser: ping works from the PC to the device Dec 05 16:17:01 Ddorda: are you sure you're trying to ping 192.168.0.202 from 192.168.0.200? Dec 05 16:17:32 i'm not sure i'm 192.168.0.200, but i'm pinging 202 and it works Dec 05 16:18:54 Ddorda: then start ssh with -d лыы Dec 05 16:18:57 too Dec 05 16:19:14 how can i check if i'm 192.168.0.200? Dec 05 16:19:34 i have just tried to ping this address from the moko and got no responde Dec 05 16:19:38 Ddorda: ifconfig Dec 05 16:20:20 how odd, i shows that i am ...200 :S Dec 05 16:20:26 but ping doesn't work Dec 05 16:21:29 Ddorda: check your routing on host etc Dec 05 16:23:35 PaulFertser: now i see that i have eth0 and eth1, on eth0 the addr is 192.168.0.202 and on eth1 it's 192.168.0.200 Dec 05 16:24:19 Ddorda: both on host? well, that's the source of the problem Dec 05 16:25:27 i see. and how can i fix it? Dec 05 16:28:44 Ddorda: you should not be on the same subnet with your host LAN and the connection to your phone Dec 05 16:29:47 i' not using any host LAN.. i'm connected with wireless... Dec 05 16:30:10 host WLAN then.. doesnt make a difference Dec 05 16:30:54 Ddorda: it's going to be very hard if you have exactly the same IP on both your PC and your phone Dec 05 16:31:37 Ddorda: either get another IP from your router, or change the IP of your phone... Dec 05 16:31:48 but i don't.. have a look: Dec 05 16:31:48 http://ddorda.pastebin.com/d42e8e41c Dec 05 16:32:01 i'm connected with the wlan0 i guess Dec 05 16:32:46 and the problem is on eth0 and eth1 Dec 05 16:33:35 Ddorda: eth0 might be your LAN card Dec 05 16:33:40 even if it's not connected Dec 05 16:33:51 configure something else, not in the 192.168.0.X range Dec 05 16:34:00 or shut it down Dec 05 16:34:09 how can i shut it down? Dec 05 16:34:14 ifconfig eth0 down Dec 05 16:34:37 (altough i think that that is supposed to be deprecated now) Dec 05 16:34:42 (the ifconfig) Dec 05 16:35:41 well, it still doesn't work Dec 05 16:36:27 still can't ping your phone? eth0 gone from ifconfig? Dec 05 16:37:10 i can ping my phone - i can't ping from the phone to the pc Dec 05 16:37:20 mhm.. Dec 05 16:38:08 I could imagine something like a firewall blocking pings Dec 05 16:38:57 but if ping from host works, ping from phone to 192.168.0.200 should work as well Dec 05 16:39:06 I'm out of ideas Dec 05 16:39:43 :( Dec 05 16:45:33 okay, i think i got on something Dec 05 16:45:52 i disconnected and connected again the phone Dec 05 16:45:55 ifconfig: Dec 05 16:46:31 http://ddorda.pastebin.com/d5cf38396 Dec 05 16:47:30 md2k7: do you see it? Dec 05 16:48:08 Ddorda: you lost your ip and need to configure it again Dec 05 16:48:54 Ddorda: there are network managers for that Dec 05 16:49:02 Ddorda: which distro do you use on host? Dec 05 16:49:08 Ubuntu Dec 05 16:49:56 Ddorda: you can right-click on the network icon and go to change network settings Dec 05 16:50:10 or sth similar, I have a German version of it Dec 05 16:50:34 okay Dec 05 16:50:49 but you can also configure your IP each time you connect your phone :> Dec 05 16:51:21 there you have your interfaces, which you can configure to an ip Dec 05 16:51:38 and this will then be set each time you connect Dec 05 16:51:43 automatically Dec 05 16:52:34 what adress to use? Dec 05 16:52:38 address* Dec 05 16:53:33 I have address, mask and gateway Dec 05 16:54:01 192.168.0.200, mask 255.255.255.0, set gateway to something in the range Dec 05 16:54:05 IMHO that really sucks Dec 05 16:54:11 it is a must-field Dec 05 16:54:15 and it borks routing Dec 05 16:54:18 mhm Dec 05 16:54:25 *pondering if that is a good idea* Dec 05 16:54:52 aaah Dec 05 16:54:57 set gateway to 0.0.0.0 Dec 05 16:55:12 but I'm still not sure that your routing = internet will work afterwards.. Dec 05 16:55:29 when in doubt, just remove the config and you should be up again :P Dec 05 16:55:38 i don't mind if the internet will work for now Dec 05 16:55:39 first i want to connect the device :P Dec 05 16:57:51 md2k7: ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: Connection refused Dec 05 16:59:03 Ddorda: ping works? Dec 05 16:59:23 indeed Dec 05 16:59:57 let me check if from phone it works too Dec 05 17:00:16 no.. :( Dec 05 17:01:21 I really can't imagine why. if it goes in one direction, it must go the other way, too! Dec 05 17:01:26 -.- Dec 05 17:03:48 :( Dec 05 17:05:03 I could only imagine you're not pinging right, or a firewall blocking packets Dec 05 17:05:19 or a broken image... Dec 05 17:05:25 on the phone Dec 05 17:05:57 but that'd have to be very broken, because networking seems basically ok as the interface comes up on the host Dec 05 17:07:00 md2k7: i'm up to something Dec 05 17:07:25 ifconfig on the phone gave me usb0 with the IP ...202 Dec 05 17:07:43 yep, that's the default one Dec 05 17:08:27 so does it means that the device is 202? Dec 05 17:10:21 Ddorda: yes Dec 05 17:10:33 192.168.0.202 Dec 05 17:11:22 your host on usb is 192.168.0.200 (or sth else in the range, apart from phone ip), the phone is 192.168.0.202 Dec 05 17:12:58 i'm sick of it, what went wrong? :( Dec 05 17:14:22 i believe it's something with the host, i will try on a different computer Dec 05 17:24:12 yay, new SHR boot splash is really stylish Dec 05 17:24:31 <3 Dec 05 17:24:59 and there is a new console font which is readable without a looking glass... wow Dec 05 17:25:28 md2k7: it is. but what is it worth without the ability to connect with the host? :P Dec 05 17:25:45 Ddorda: I will try if mine does Dec 05 17:26:14 Ddorda: but I guess it wouldn't have been branched to testing if it wouldn't even connect to ssh Dec 05 17:26:50 i think that something is wrong wih my PC.. Dec 05 17:27:05 help! where's my theme... I see all white :P Dec 05 17:27:28 Ddorda: something is wrong with how you configure your network Dec 05 17:27:35 but nice speed Dec 05 17:27:59 Ddorda: just ensure the configuration is sane and it'll work. Dec 05 17:28:10 PaulFertser: i guess so, but i have no idea what's wrong Dec 05 17:29:24 PaulFertser: can you help me to make it sense? Dec 05 17:29:26 Ddorda: you say you have 192.168.0.0/24 on both eth0 and eth1. That is wrong. Either use 192.168.0.200/30 for eth1 (usb connection) or change both your eth1 and FR address to use some other subnet (probably 192.168.1.0/24) is ok. Dec 05 17:29:43 PaulFertser: in theory, he just disabled eth0 Dec 05 17:30:06 md2k7: or that Dec 05 17:30:11 PaulFertser: 192.168.1.0/24 is the subnet he uses for his wireless Dec 05 17:30:23 so that won't work either Dec 05 17:30:24 md2k7: if he puts it down, he'll probably be able to connect Dec 05 17:30:49 PaulFertser: that's what i did, and it didn't work Dec 05 17:30:58 a lock screen Dec 05 17:31:00 wow! Dec 05 17:31:08 * md2k7 is in <3 with new shr :P Dec 05 17:31:10 yes, the lock screen is amazing Dec 05 17:31:18 Ddorda: i recommend to use 192.168.0.200/30 for eth1 (usb connection) or change both your eth1 and FR ur eth1 and FR Dec 05 17:31:19 and it is very fast Dec 05 17:31:38 but the drag thingy is stolen from iphone, you know that, dear shr devs? :P Dec 05 17:31:49 Ddorda: after you do that, paste your "ip r" or "route" output from FR. Dec 05 17:31:54 Ddorda: from host, sorry Dec 05 17:32:38 scrolling GTK lists (messages) doesn't seem to be any faster, however Dec 05 17:32:40 sux Dec 05 17:32:49 Error: an inet prefix is expected rather than "192.168.0.300/24". Dec 05 17:33:01 300 is a typo Dec 05 17:33:03 Ddorda: dude Dec 05 17:33:05 (i hope) Dec 05 17:33:13 because 300 doesn't fit in a byte ;-) Dec 05 17:33:20 oh.. oopsy :P Dec 05 17:34:24 PaulFertser: http://ddorda.pastebin.com/d1ffacb36 Dec 05 17:35:08 Ddorda: you should set 192.168.0.200 as your host IP, here you seem to be using 192.168.0.202 (which is actually FR's). Dec 05 17:35:09 Ddorda: you have set up the wrong IP, host needs to be 192.168.0.200 Dec 05 17:35:12 :D Dec 05 17:35:49 but it doesn't show up in ifconfig... odd.. anyway, how do i chage it? Dec 05 17:36:27 Ddorda: if you set it up in GUI, then change it in GUI, preferably Dec 05 17:36:36 otherwise it will always overwrite your settings again Dec 05 17:37:08 md2k7: it's not from the GUI Dec 05 17:37:17 in the GUI i set ..200 Dec 05 17:39:16 ermm.. is it possible to force remove it? cause i don't see it anwhere but in this table Dec 05 17:39:44 Ddorda: ip addr del 192.168.0.202/24 dev eth1 Dec 05 17:39:51 but the /24 i'm not sure about Dec 05 17:39:58 maybe /30? Dec 05 17:40:48 dor@dor-laptop:~$ sudo ip addr del 192.168.0.202/24 dev eth1 Dec 05 17:40:48 RTNETLINK answers: Cannot assign requested address Dec 05 17:40:57 /30 - same Dec 05 17:41:43 seems interesting anyway, because I can't get such an entry Dec 05 17:41:51 no matter how hard I try :P Dec 05 17:43:18 maybe ip addr flush Dec 05 17:43:22 ip addr flush eth1 Dec 05 17:43:23 i mean Dec 05 17:43:40 and then set up the ip again Dec 05 17:44:05 http://ddorda.pastebin.com/dfa04b62 Dec 05 17:44:44 just do sudo ip addr flush eth1 Dec 05 17:44:48 and set up your ip again Dec 05 17:45:25 / SSH login still takes forever though Dec 05 17:45:40 boring Dec 05 17:46:22 http://ddorda.pastebin.com/db94c634 Dec 05 17:46:57 ./setneo = http://ddorda.pastebin.com/d5afe9fba Dec 05 17:47:05 do an ip r before setneo? Dec 05 17:48:03 http://ddorda.pastebin.com/d725351fe Dec 05 17:48:05 aaah, 192.168.0.202 is a route... okay Dec 05 17:48:58 does this fact make us closer to the solution? :D Dec 05 17:49:54 not really if ping does not work :P Dec 05 17:50:08 btw: sudo iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/30 is wrong Dec 05 17:50:17 it should be 192.168.0.200/30 Dec 05 17:50:33 but that won't help your problem Dec 05 17:51:15 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa Dec 05 17:51:17 OUCH! Dec 05 17:51:23 what..? Dec 05 17:51:34 who the heck defined 192.168.0.200/30 as a host? Dec 05 17:51:40 that is a network address :/ Dec 05 17:52:00 you should set up e.g. 192.168.0.201 as host Dec 05 17:53:10 it's the line with the iptable? Dec 05 17:53:45 192.168.0.201 should be the IP of your host Dec 05 17:54:06 and the stuff I posted above, that is just a correction of your script, will be useful to get the phone into the internet Dec 05 17:55:09 ping from phone doesn't work Dec 05 17:55:26 --> http://ddorda.pastebin.com/m41c47d52 Dec 05 17:55:41 seems you guys having fun :-P Dec 05 17:55:43 and don't forget to flush before Dec 05 17:55:45 yep, yep Dec 05 17:56:09 joerg_42: I need some work therapy to recover from the shock that shr unstable still does not build for me Dec 05 17:56:15 :P Dec 05 17:56:46 btw host always been ...200 Dec 05 17:56:55 FR ...202 Dec 05 17:57:12 joerg_42: yes, but not if you use /30 as a netmask Dec 05 17:57:29 192.168.0.200/30 is a network address, not a host address Dec 05 17:57:57 I'm well aware of that Dec 05 17:58:09 still not working Dec 05 17:58:09 http://ddorda.pastebin.com/d4eda41dd Dec 05 17:58:29 i mean the ping from the device is not working Dec 05 17:59:01 pinging 192.168.0.201 now, did you? Dec 05 18:00:23 yes Dec 05 18:00:30 well, sry Dec 05 18:00:43 maybe fire up wireshark Dec 05 18:01:00 sounds like something new to learn Dec 05 18:01:32 doesn't do magic, you could just have a look if any packets come in Dec 05 18:01:38 but they probably don't Dec 05 18:02:13 (which makes me wonder what the ping in the other direction does... well, might be a good idea to have a look after all) Dec 05 18:03:09 what do you mean "in the other direction" Dec 05 18:03:54 host -> fr Dec 05 18:04:39 if i'll install wireshark, will you guide me please? Dec 05 18:05:14 I'd suggest just plain old boring tcpdump Dec 05 18:07:07 PaulFertser: dor@dor-laptop:~$ tcpdump 192.168.0.202 Dec 05 18:07:07 tcpdump: no suitable device found Dec 05 18:07:49 Ddorda: sudo tcpdump -n -v -i eth1 Dec 05 18:07:57 PaulFertser: ethereal/ws for sure is easier to handle/understand/read by a "noob" Dec 05 18:08:39 DocScrutinizer-8: i've never tried it :P Dec 05 18:08:40 i don't think i get anything Dec 05 18:08:57 incredible Dec 05 18:08:57 Ddorda: then your routing is still bad or firewall kicks in. Dec 05 18:08:57 dor@dor-laptop:~$ sudo tcpdump -n -v -i eth1 Dec 05 18:08:57 tcpdump: listening on eth1, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size 96 bytes Dec 05 18:09:01 that's all i got Dec 05 18:09:17 Ddorda: you're supposed to try to ping FR after starting tcpdump in another terminal Dec 05 18:09:51 still nothing Dec 05 18:10:04 Ddorda: then your routing is still bad or firewall kicks in. Dec 05 18:10:13 use wireshark ;-) Dec 05 18:11:01 give me a minute to install it Dec 05 18:13:37 i need to run it as a root? Dec 05 18:14:27 DocScrutinizer-8: can you help me? Dec 05 18:14:56 Ddorda: better run as root, yes Dec 05 18:14:56 or maybye iptables -F to be sure, that firewall does notthing bad? Dec 05 18:15:16 Ddorda: which distro? Dec 05 18:15:27 tomcatek: i've already told him about it but he somehow refuses to even think about iptables. Dec 05 18:15:34 DocScrutinizer-8: Ubuntu Dec 05 18:15:42 :-/ Dec 05 18:16:15 hehe Dec 05 18:16:18 anyway, prolly many ppl to know how to admin ubuntu. I'm not one of them Dec 05 18:16:55 Ddorda: start your firewall admin tool Dec 05 18:17:14 DocScrutinizer-8: i don't have any, never installed one Dec 05 18:17:24 DocScrutinizer-8: i'm afraid ubuntu has none of this stuff Dec 05 18:17:32 maybe i have something that came wit the system, but i've never checked Dec 05 18:17:36 duh Dec 05 18:17:39 DocScrutinizer-8: at least none that is on by default Dec 05 18:17:49 ok Dec 05 18:17:57 mompl Dec 05 18:18:19 mompl? Dec 05 18:18:30 one moment, please, i guess Dec 05 18:18:33 :P Dec 05 18:19:22 Ddorda: have You tried to "sudo iptables -F"? Dec 05 18:19:24 oh.. lol Dec 05 18:19:29 Ddorda: you got WS started? Dec 05 18:19:33 it doesn't hurt :P Dec 05 18:19:35 wireshark told me that it's lo !! Dec 05 18:20:04 tomcatek: it gives me nothing Dec 05 18:20:22 Ddorda: please click on "interfaces" menu Dec 05 18:20:42 capture - interfaces Dec 05 18:21:30 Ddorda: you're alive? Dec 05 18:21:31 DocScrutinizer: yea, now to start pinging, right? Dec 05 18:21:37 Ddorda: please click on "interfaces" menu Dec 05 18:21:40 capture - interfaces Dec 05 18:21:42 DocScrutinizer: yes.. i did it Dec 05 18:21:52 now to start pinging, right? Dec 05 18:21:57 what does it show you? names of interfaces Dec 05 18:22:21 wmaster0, wlan, eth1, any, lo Dec 05 18:22:34 eth1 & lo has no data Dec 05 18:23:18 Ddorda: it shouldn't gove You anything. only clean up firewall Dec 05 18:23:25 is this the machine you are using this very IRC on as well? Dec 05 18:23:36 indeed Dec 05 18:24:03 I assume you're connected to internet via wlan then? Dec 05 18:24:09 now to start pinging 192.168.0.201? Dec 05 18:24:17 yes, you're right Dec 05 18:24:31 ok start a capture at eth1 Dec 05 18:24:42 click the captute button on the right Dec 05 18:24:53 err Strat button Dec 05 18:25:08 yea yea Dec 05 18:25:12 did Dec 05 18:25:15 what's next? Dec 05 18:25:27 now ping in any terminal to FR Dec 05 18:25:58 nothing Dec 05 18:26:12 does main wireshark screen show lines with data in upper half? Dec 05 18:26:21 no Dec 05 18:26:30 it says no packets Dec 05 18:26:36 so your pings don't leave the machine Dec 05 18:26:51 * md2k7 would give a puzzled look, if that was possible virtually Dec 05 18:27:19 yes. so i don't even connect the macine Dec 05 18:28:00 olease do a "ifconfig eth1" and paste first two lines of output here Dec 05 18:28:26 eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:1f:11:01:47:21 Dec 05 18:28:27 inet addr:192.168.0.201 Bcast:0.0.0.0 Mask:255.255.255.252 Dec 05 18:29:01 please do a "route" and paste complete output here Dec 05 18:30:06 btw the B(road)cast addr looks *weird* in eth1 Dec 05 18:31:05 i get nothing on "route" Dec 05 18:31:13 oh.. my fault, just took time Dec 05 18:31:15 wtf Dec 05 18:31:26 Ddorda: it resolves everything by default Dec 05 18:31:35 Kernel IP routing table Dec 05 18:31:36 Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface Dec 05 18:31:36 192.168.0.202 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 eth1 Dec 05 18:31:37 route -n is faster but only shows ip addresses instead Dec 05 18:31:37 192.168.0.200 * 255.255.255.252 U 0 0 0 eth1 Dec 05 18:31:38 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 2 0 0 wlan0 Dec 05 18:31:41 link-local * 255.255.0.0 U 1000 0 0 wlan0 Dec 05 18:31:42 default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 wlan0 Dec 05 18:32:08 destination 192.168.0.202 Dec 05 18:32:11 is wrong Dec 05 18:32:23 well, it's a static route to the FR, what's wrong with that? Dec 05 18:32:48 err yes Dec 05 18:32:54 right Dec 05 18:33:10 so 192.168.0.200 * 255.255.255.252 U 0 0 0 eth1 is odd then Dec 05 18:33:35 mhm, thats the route that gets added by default as the mask is assigned to the iface Dec 05 18:34:36 can i give you any more data so you'll undertand better what's going on? Dec 05 18:34:42 I seen this kind of problems / network lockups quite several times Dec 05 18:34:57 DocScrutinizer: interesting, I've never seen such things Dec 05 18:35:26 DocScrutinizer: the only problem I had with my FR with last ubuntu version was an interrupt problem Dec 05 18:35:48 the interrupt for my wireless got disabled when you plugged in fr, and usb took over its place Dec 05 18:35:50 :P Dec 05 18:35:51 never really traced it down. A /etc/init.d/network restart always helped me out. Then do setup once again, straight and correct Dec 05 18:36:17 but that is probably a bug in my laptop hardware, too Dec 05 18:36:36 plug fr in and out, reboot, ... Dec 05 18:36:45 maybe i should reflash the device? Dec 05 18:36:49 to start from 0? Dec 05 18:37:06 Ddorda: first try a "ifdown eth1" "ifup eth1" Dec 05 18:37:11 that could also be sth to try, but I guess that should be the last step, I don't see why that shouldn't work Dec 05 18:37:37 (reflashing, I mean) Dec 05 18:37:55 refalshing won't fix laptop setup anyway Dec 05 18:38:35 http://ddorda.pastebin.com/d16650d25 Dec 05 18:39:07 DocScrutinizer: for ifup/ifdown, a config in /etc/network/interfaces is needed Dec 05 18:39:16 yo Dec 05 18:39:30 ifconfig eth1 down then iirc Dec 05 18:39:34 y Dec 05 18:40:19 Ddorda: do "ifconfig eth1 down" then "route" Dec 05 18:40:40 check if "route" output has changed Dec 05 18:40:53 one new thing about the g_file_storage issue Dec 05 18:40:53 one sec Dec 05 18:40:59 unplug and replug FR Dec 05 18:41:03 yes, it has changed Dec 05 18:41:18 DocScrutinizer: there're several routing tables in kernel in fact, one of them might influence routing and it's not visible in the "route" output? Dec 05 18:41:22 andi: yes? Dec 05 18:41:23 the cd boot problem seems to be a bios issue Dec 05 18:41:41 done Dec 05 18:41:42 PaulFertser: dunno. seems possible Dec 05 18:41:48 I have a workaround Dec 05 18:41:58 but still have to clean it up Dec 05 18:42:10 it is definitively no freerunner specific issue Dec 05 18:42:21 Ddorda: please to a "tail /var/log/messages" Dec 05 18:43:06 check for the interface it's detecting (presumably eth1 again) Dec 05 18:43:13 http://ddorda.pastebin.com/d53037f74 Dec 05 18:43:31 yes, it is eth1 Dec 05 18:43:39 eth1: register 'cdc_ether' Dec 05 18:43:45 that's the magic word Dec 05 18:43:49 ok Dec 05 18:43:54 eth1: register 'cdc_ether' ... Dec 05 18:43:57 do "ifconfig eth1" Dec 05 18:43:59 paste Dec 05 18:44:17 eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:1f:11:01:47:21 Dec 05 18:44:19 inet addr:192.168.0.200 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 Dec 05 18:44:55 muuuch better Dec 05 18:44:55 see Bcast??? :-) Dec 05 18:45:00 do "route" paste Dec 05 18:46:08 sec Dec 05 18:46:17 mompl ;-) Dec 05 18:46:26 okay so mompl :P Dec 05 18:46:32 hehe Dec 05 18:46:38 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 1 0 0 eth1 Dec 05 18:46:53 the full output please Dec 05 18:47:02 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 2 0 0 wlan0 Dec 05 18:47:02 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 1 0 0 eth1 Dec 05 18:47:02 link-local * 255.255.0.0 U 1000 0 0 wlan0 Dec 05 18:47:02 default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 wlan0 Dec 05 18:47:06 thnx Dec 05 18:47:11 thank you :P Dec 05 18:47:48 try a ping Dec 05 18:47:57 watch wireshark Dec 05 18:48:01 to 192.168.0.0? Dec 05 18:48:15 aaah, stop wireshark capture , restart it then Dec 05 18:48:24 do NOT stop wireshark Dec 05 18:48:26 yea yea, of course Dec 05 18:48:40 stop capturte with the Dec 05 18:48:58 ermm.. oops? i closed it a while agp Dec 05 18:49:00 4th left toolbar tool Dec 05 18:49:00 ago* Dec 05 18:49:08 aah Dec 05 18:49:16 restart it Dec 05 18:49:23 start captute for eth1 Dec 05 18:49:27 to start capturing eth1? Dec 05 18:49:38 do "ping 192.168.....fooo" Dec 05 18:49:55 start WS Dec 05 18:50:09 dor@dor-laptop:~$ ping 192.168.0.0 Dec 05 18:50:09 Do you want to ping broadcast? Then -b Dec 05 18:50:36 oh.. oops Dec 05 18:50:50 start wireshark. "capture - interfaces" eth1 "start" Dec 05 18:50:59 then Dec 05 18:51:08 done Dec 05 18:51:11 "ping 192.168.0.201" Dec 05 18:51:38 data is coming!! Dec 05 18:51:44 :-) Dec 05 18:52:01 is ping seeing responses? Dec 05 18:52:01 From 192.168.0.200 icmp_seq=31 Destination Host Unreachable Dec 05 18:52:06 aah Dec 05 18:52:22 but that's more information than what i had so far :P Dec 05 18:52:28 so i guess we're going somewhere Dec 05 18:52:58 yeah, you simply need to make FR IP known by your laptop now Dec 05 18:53:04 proceed as usual Dec 05 18:53:26 how do i do that Dec 05 18:53:27 ? Dec 05 18:54:12 you might want to download http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/neo-ssh Dec 05 18:54:19 copy somewhere Dec 05 18:54:39 then do "sudo path/to/neo-ssh" Dec 05 18:55:09 maybe set "chmod a+x path/to/neo-ssh" prior to that Dec 05 18:56:30 maybe you even want to edit this script to use 192.168.0.201 (dunno what you did with your setup, so you might need it) Dec 05 18:56:34 and Dec 05 18:56:47 then do "sudo path/to/neo-ssh eth1", of course Dec 05 18:57:11 one sec Dec 05 18:57:19 as your device is eth1, not the script's default eth4 Dec 05 18:58:23 how do i know what is what? Dec 05 18:58:24 of course you can execute the three commands of that file one by one in commandline as well ;-) Dec 05 18:58:49 Ddorda: hmmm Dec 05 18:58:57 you got the script? Dec 05 18:59:03 yes Dec 05 18:59:24 dor@dor-laptop:~$ sudo ./neo-ssh Dec 05 18:59:24 eth4 Dec 05 18:59:24 SIOCSIFADDR: No such device Dec 05 18:59:24 eth4: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device Dec 05 18:59:24 SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device Dec 05 18:59:25 SIOCADDRT: No such device Dec 05 18:59:27 ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: Connection refused Dec 05 18:59:29 root@192.168.0.202 Dec 05 18:59:31 oopsy -/- Dec 05 18:59:51 sbin/ifconfig $DEV 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 Dec 05 18:59:51 /sbin/route add -host 192.168.0.202/32 dev $DEV Dec 05 18:59:51 root@192.168.0.202 Dec 05 18:59:52 sudo ./neo-ssh eth1 Dec 05 19:00:00 how can i be sure od these addresses? Dec 05 19:00:20 dor@dor-laptop:~$ sudo ./neo-ssh eth1 Dec 05 19:00:20 eth1 Dec 05 19:00:20 ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: Connection refused Dec 05 19:00:34 fr doesn't connect Dec 05 19:00:43 Ddorda: connection refused is a good sign, probably you just have to start sshd on fr Dec 05 19:01:46 PaulFertser: like to take over? I'm busy with other things now Dec 05 19:02:16 PaulFertser: it is already running Dec 05 19:02:34 we got netstat on FR ? Dec 05 19:02:35 DocScrutinizer: i'd propose you do your stuff. I it's hard for me to talk for so long with somebody who doesn't understand networking. Dec 05 19:02:55 :( Dec 05 19:03:58 Ddorda: there's an excellent introduction and other insightful documentation on the netfilter.org site. Dec 05 19:04:05 Ddorda: on FR do "/etc/init.d/sshd restart" (you might need to edit this command a little. have no way to check correct dir and file names atm) Dec 05 19:04:13 DocScrutinizer: i have just ran "netstat" on the phone Dec 05 19:04:15 and it worked Dec 05 19:04:36 PaulFertser: we don'T need to mess with netfilters when FR refuses connection, no? Dec 05 19:04:53 DocScrutinizer: but you need to read something to understand networking basics. Dec 05 19:05:15 Ddorda: is port 22 mentioned in netstat output? Dec 05 19:06:30 sec, it's very long, i'll run it with grep Dec 05 19:07:20 netstat -nta Dec 05 19:07:28 netstat -nta | grep 22 Dec 05 19:07:53 even Dec 05 19:07:58 netstat -ntap | grep 22 Dec 05 19:08:03 yes! Dec 05 19:08:12 do Dec 05 19:08:17 netstat -ntap | grep 22 Dec 05 19:08:31 tcp 0 192.168.0.202:22 Dec 05 19:08:31 and look at the command at end of line Dec 05 19:09:12 2441/sshd Dec 05 19:09:32 hmm Dec 05 19:09:37 should work Dec 05 19:09:51 as mentioned above, try to restart sshd Dec 05 19:09:57 via initscript Dec 05 19:10:08 Ddorda: on FR do "/etc/init.d/sshd restart" (you might need to edit this command a little. have no way to check correct dir and file names atm) Dec 05 19:10:54 done Dec 05 19:11:11 if this doesn't help, and even a reboot of FR doesn't help, then probably sshd is misconfig'd Dec 05 19:12:10 ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: Connection refused Dec 05 19:12:51 Ddorda: probably you managed to configure your host as 192.168.0.202 or something. Dec 05 19:12:55 it might be, as i've been asked to edit these confs when i asked for help Dec 05 19:13:25 Ddorda: in terminal try "ssh 192.168.0.202" Dec 05 19:14:28 dor@dor-laptop:~$ ssh 192.168.0.202 Dec 05 19:14:28 ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: Connection refused Dec 05 19:14:47 also I heard SHR has by default a password now, and key-handling, on FR Dec 05 19:15:12 Ddorda: please /join #openmoko-cdevel and ask there Dec 05 19:15:39 paste your line above and mention exact version of SHR you are using Dec 05 19:16:13 Ddorda: one last test Dec 05 19:16:25 Ddorda: you still with me? Dec 05 19:17:01 DocScrutinizer: connection refused means tcp-level failure Dec 05 19:17:13 Ddorda: unplug FR, then try to ssh again Dec 05 19:17:24 the error should change Dec 05 19:17:44 i'm here Dec 05 19:17:52 PaulFertser: yep Dec 05 19:18:09 so I'm really a little lost Dec 05 19:18:54 to try when it's still unplugged? Dec 05 19:18:55 PaulFertser: aiui the client gets a ICMP-NAK, no? Dec 05 19:19:01 yes Dec 05 19:19:05 Ddorda: yes Dec 05 19:19:25 dor@dor-laptop:~$ ssh 192.168.0.202 Dec 05 19:19:26 ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: Connection refused Dec 05 19:19:28 or even a TCP-NAK Dec 05 19:19:36 DocScrutinizer: rather tcp-nak, yes Dec 05 19:19:37 darn Dec 05 19:20:16 Ddorda: please do a "route" and paste *full* output here Dec 05 19:20:25 on host? Dec 05 19:20:29 yes Dec 05 19:20:42 on laptop that is Dec 05 19:20:49 Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface Dec 05 19:20:49 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 2 0 0 wlan0 Dec 05 19:20:49 link-local * 255.255.0.0 U 1000 0 0 wlan0 Dec 05 19:20:49 default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 wlan0 Dec 05 19:20:57 it's unplugged Dec 05 19:21:04 arrg Dec 05 19:21:23 i feel helpless :( Dec 05 19:21:32 so plug in, do neo-ssh, then route, then paste again Dec 05 19:22:29 Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface Dec 05 19:22:29 neo-ssh eth1 !!!! Dec 05 19:22:29 192.168.0.202 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 eth1 Dec 05 19:22:29 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 2 0 0 wlan0 Dec 05 19:22:29 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 1 0 0 eth1 Dec 05 19:22:29 link-local * 255.255.0.0 U 1000 0 0 wlan0 Dec 05 19:22:30 default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 wlan0 Dec 05 19:22:39 yes, did eth1 Dec 05 19:22:42 i'm noob, not stupid :P Dec 05 19:23:00 :-) Dec 05 19:23:21 well, i changed back some confs i did on the beggining that someone told me Dec 05 19:23:31 something with sshd confs Dec 05 19:23:42 it's the port on more few things Dec 05 19:23:49 should i put it back? Dec 05 19:23:50 Ddorda: i fucking told you to use /30, not /24! Dec 05 19:23:56 22:22 < Ddorda> 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 1 0 0 eth1 Dec 05 19:24:41 PaulFertser: That's most likely done automatically by ubuntu nasty Dec 05 19:24:58 DocScrutinizer: that's most likely done by his nasty useless neo-ssh script. Dec 05 19:25:05 and I'd really like to get rid of this route entry Dec 05 19:25:51 PaulFertser: btw, it was on 34 now, not 24 =\ Dec 05 19:25:58 32* Dec 05 19:26:12 Ddorda: 255.255.255.0 is /24, not /30 i adviced you to use Dec 05 19:26:19 PaulFertser: /sbin/route add -host 192.168.0.202/32 dev $DEV Dec 05 19:27:14 so whwre's there a /24 ??? Dec 05 19:27:15 DocScrutinizer: i would simply do "ifconfig eth1 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.252 up Dec 05 19:27:26 DocScrutinizer: there's no need to tweak routing tables at all. Dec 05 19:27:43 DocScrutinizer: the correct routing will be set up automatically based on proper netmask specification. Dec 05 19:27:59 aha Dec 05 19:28:09 PaulFertser: /sbin/ifconfig $DEV 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 Dec 05 19:28:17 does "Port 22 AddressFamily any ListenAddress 192.168.0.202" needs to show up in sshd confs? Dec 05 19:28:19 so what's wrong with /24 Dec 05 19:28:22 DocScrutinizer: this won't work for him since it conflicts with his wlan. Dec 05 19:28:26 Ddorda: 'ip route' is imho bit easier to understand than 'route' Dec 05 19:28:50 when the whole subnet is exclusive use for FR Dec 05 19:29:40 it does have /24, even that it's not in the script Dec 05 19:29:42 PaulFertser: conflicts with wlan? wlan is on 192.169.1.xxx Dec 05 19:29:54 FR is on 192.169.0.xxx Dec 05 19:30:14 DocScrutinizer: oh yes, i see. Before that he told his wlan is on the same subnet. Dec 05 19:30:24 maybe I really need my breakfast coffe now. Dec 05 19:30:48 sorry I'm away Dec 05 19:30:48 DocScrutinizer: enjoy your breakfast :) Dec 05 19:31:04 cya, and thank you.. Dec 05 19:31:36 * Ddorda is helpless :( Dec 05 19:32:01 Ddorda: if you dare, do a /etc/init.d/network restart on your lapttop Dec 05 19:32:07 Ddorda: i'd say that's because you do not read the docs... Dec 05 19:32:15 prepare to boot if that fails Dec 05 19:32:29 DocScrutinizer-8: i will Dec 05 19:33:04 sudo: /etc/init.d/network: command not found Dec 05 19:34:22 it was /networking i guess Dec 05 19:34:24 Ddorda: toldya I dunno ubuntu. Dec 05 19:34:28 and done Dec 05 19:34:34 damn ubuntu has upstart Dec 05 19:35:10 seems that's not been the problem though Dec 05 19:35:37 DocScrutinizer-8: didn't you go for breakfast? Dec 05 19:35:50 Ddorda: now replug FR run neo-ssh Dec 05 19:36:08 I should have done, yeah Dec 05 19:36:15 lol Dec 05 19:36:40 ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: Connection refused Dec 05 19:36:44 damn it :( Dec 05 19:39:00 I'd really read about ubuntu firewall config. I bet it has Dec 05 19:39:21 ask PaulFertser about firewalls and netfilters Dec 05 19:39:49 and how to temporarily disable all rules Dec 05 19:40:53 i'll search if i have a firewall Dec 05 19:44:16 Ddorda: you may try to ping 192.168.1.200 from FR Dec 05 19:45:34 Ddorda: sudo iptables -L, all policies should be on "ACCEPT" Dec 05 19:45:57 s/1.20/0.20/ Dec 05 19:45:57 DocScrutinizer-8 meant: Ddorda: you may try to ping 192.168.0.200 from FR Dec 05 19:46:22 you may watch all files in /var/log/ if there are any entries saying a packet from/to 192.168.0.202 has been REJECTed Dec 05 19:46:58 done the ping, got nothing Dec 05 19:47:06 md2k7: it's all on ACCEPT Dec 05 19:47:21 Ddorda: I guessed so, because it's default Dec 05 19:47:48 Ddorda: and no rules anywhere? Dec 05 19:48:08 nope Dec 05 19:49:44 i was just told that Ubuntu has a firewall "ufw" Dec 05 19:50:21 etc/init.d/ufw stop Dec 05 19:50:47 why not to use "ufw disable"? Dec 05 19:51:20 ubuntu? WHAT? never heard of ;-) Dec 05 19:51:41 lol Dec 05 19:51:47 well, i have just disabled it Dec 05 19:51:52 but still not working Dec 05 19:53:16 i plugged it out and in and ran neo-ssh, still not working Dec 05 19:53:55 Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface Dec 05 19:53:55 192.168.0.202 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 eth1 Dec 05 19:53:55 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 2 0 0 wlan0 Dec 05 19:53:55 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 1 0 0 eth1 Dec 05 19:53:55 link-local * 255.255.0.0 U 1000 0 0 wlan0 Dec 05 19:53:56 default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 wlan0 Dec 05 20:17:55 i'm reflashing the phone. i want to use clean settings Dec 05 20:26:39 the problem was in my pc Dec 05 20:26:40 :( Dec 05 20:26:45 :)* Dec 05 20:27:54 Ddorda: what exactly? Dec 05 20:28:57 i have no idea, on my brother's netbook it runs well Dec 05 20:30:57 Ddorda: just what i told you, somehow one of the networking bits on your host is wrong. Probably if you read "ip l" and "ip r l table all" (along with iptables -v -L) carefully, you'll see the culprit. Dec 05 20:31:51 to read it when the phone is plugged? Dec 05 20:32:10 Ddorda: yes, after you think you prepared everything to be able to connect to it. Dec 05 20:45:52 ubuntu crap Dec 05 20:46:45 ubuntu is kinda like windoze. Does everything "hidden from user" in a way it thinks is ok Dec 05 20:47:05 * mwester agrees with that criticism. Dec 05 20:48:03 ubuntu is for people who were using windows and alloes them to learn about linux in time Dec 05 20:48:03 nice to show off a working ootb default system. Horrible if you want one step beyond Dec 05 20:48:17 Someone told me to put ubuntu on my new eeepc netbook, they claimed it "was the best distro for netbooks!". Bullcrap. It felt like windows. Dec 05 20:48:40 I put a standard Fedora on it, and I'm very happy with it now -- plus Fedora had all the drivers out-of-the-box. Dec 05 20:51:42 my problem is that the cds have non-free software Dec 05 20:52:46 hey, for a windoid system that's never been a problem. So never for windoze afine users Dec 05 20:53:13 well, ican move to any other things, but i LOVE the way ubuntu get new all the time Dec 05 20:53:39 ubuntu is "linux made easy for windoof noobs", so what do you expect to find? Dec 05 20:54:22 DocScrutinizer-8: well most people are these "windows noobs" -- i do not think it is a bad idea to target regular people :) Dec 05 20:54:49 I just don't care Dec 05 20:57:34 it's not the point of being easy, i don't mind using even flux all time, i just love all the new functions they got and the many pacages available Dec 05 20:58:05 Ddorda: ok but you can run debian testing too :( Dec 05 20:58:11 s/(/)/ Dec 05 20:58:11 lindi- meant: Ddorda: ok but you can run debian testing too :) Dec 05 20:59:47 yes, but it's not the same, debian for example doesn't use PPA's Dec 05 21:00:02 Ddorda: but are they free software? Dec 05 21:01:08 yes i guess Dec 05 21:02:01 Ddorda: i thought almost no quality control was done Dec 05 21:06:37 what's PPA? Do I really want to know? Dec 05 21:07:51 and what's all these new apps allegedly only built for ubuntu?? o.O Dec 05 21:07:52 DocScrutinizer-8: personal package archive. each registered launchpad user gets a repository where he can upload any source code he wants and canonical will build the binary packages for different architectures and distros (afaik, this might not be exactly correct info) Dec 05 21:08:52 rather strange concept, indeed Dec 05 21:09:57 http://software.opensuse.org/search Dec 05 21:14:09 DocScrutinizer-8: not completely strange concept Dec 05 21:14:26 it makes it harder to accidentally only release binaries :( Dec 05 21:14:40 muhaha Dec 05 21:14:43 hrm, i wish I had the right keyboard layout. again meant ) and not ( Dec 05 21:15:00 not impossible but a little harder Dec 05 21:15:13 for example in opkg.org most programs only have binaries Dec 05 21:16:00 in sourceforge.net no project has only binaries by accident Dec 05 21:16:46 nah, nevermind Dec 05 21:16:53 I simply don't care Dec 05 21:17:00 DocScrutinizer-8: oh? many projects in sourceforge have binaries even in SVN Dec 05 21:18:09 [22:16] in sourceforge.net no project has only binaries by accident Dec 05 21:18:16 please read again Dec 05 21:19:29 well its always an accident since the TOS forbids non-free software :) Dec 05 21:19:55 but I suppose "only binaries" is also seldom the case Dec 05 21:25:46 hi Dec 05 21:36:21 hey guys Dec 05 21:36:30 question for those of you familiar with gsm units Dec 05 21:36:49 rogers, wireless provider here in vancouver, offers now something called a rocketstick Dec 05 21:37:05 its nothign more than a usb based gsm device with a sim card. you even get a phone number with it Dec 05 21:37:15 but you can only buy data packages Dec 05 21:37:49 i'm wondering if anyone thinks one would be able to get the gsm device registered on another provider and get a voice package associated with it? Dec 05 21:38:00 holycow: I have made voice calls with huawei E169 usb stick Dec 05 21:38:11 and with software, such as the dialer on the moko make calls from a laptop? Dec 05 21:38:21 lindi-: i have a similar devices infact a 202 Dec 05 21:38:23 really eh? Dec 05 21:38:36 holycow: just use the chan_sebi driver of asterisk Dec 05 21:38:36 or 2 oh something anyway Dec 05 21:38:42 really? Dec 05 21:38:57 wow. what software did you use for the dialing? just dialed out from the command line? Dec 05 21:39:50 holycow: asterisk and linphone i think. i captured audio using strace to prove that audio was really transmitted to the usb stick as 8000 Hz 8-bit samples Dec 05 21:40:14 okay thats flipping cool. duly noted, off to google the rest Dec 05 21:40:20 thank you for the tip :) Dec 05 21:40:23 DocScrutinizer-8: how many DocScrutinizers are there :P Dec 05 21:40:44 infinite resources Dec 05 21:41:03 DocScrutinizer-8: 8) Dec 05 21:53:16 Is there a way to have phone number -> name resolution in messages like in phonelogs with shr-u? Dec 05 23:01:31 /me wants to believe Dec 05 23:15:45 Hey guys, the most recent mer image for FR will include basic mer functionality along with galculator and maemo xchat version :) Dec 05 23:21:44 does mer run from uSD? Dec 05 23:22:16 Wonka: i think it should make no difference from where to run. Dec 05 23:22:35 * Wonka needs more uSD cards... Dec 05 23:25:21 PaulFertser, awesome Dec 05 23:25:34 PaulFertser: well... shr-unstable .tgz unpacked to uSD booted and mounted /dev/mmcblk0p1 to /mount/card. which is stupid up to dangerous, because it's also /. Dec 05 23:25:44 DocScrutinizer51: not really, i do not like maemo the slightest, so i do not see mer as anything useful. Dec 05 23:26:02 hehehe Dec 05 23:26:06 i do not like the closed-source parts of maemo Dec 05 23:26:14 but I like the debian-ness of mer Dec 05 23:26:43 DocScrutinizer51: i just felt i needed to compensate my useless rants about nokia at #maemo and #mer somehow and the mer leader said i can help him to solve build problems on debian. :) Dec 05 23:26:59 I like SHR, but I dislike the parts of SHR that are annoyingly non-debian-like. networking stuff for example. Dec 05 23:27:50 mer leader? stskeeps? Dec 05 23:28:30 on debian installation, "ifup eth0" just works to bring up wpa-roaming wifi. on SHR unstable, I did not get this to work yet, not even after importing debian's /sbin/wpa_action and patching it from "ifup --force" to "ifup -f" Dec 05 23:29:00 DocScrutinizer51: yep Dec 05 23:29:54 debian, on the other side, is missing other stuff. I do not remember seeing ophonekitd there... or whatever is used now. Dec 05 23:30:24 Wonka: ophonekitd is there now. But the newest coolest stuff is not because e17 packaging is lacking. Dec 05 23:30:47 Wonka, well SHR is based on OE, which is a fact I always didn,t like too much Dec 05 23:31:14 PaulFertser: need to upgrade my debian then... I just copied illume-shr.edj into it too, and gry.edj Dec 05 23:31:26 PaulFertser: so maybe it's more to my liking then Dec 05 23:31:34 tangogps 0.99.1 is there too Dec 05 23:32:58 PaulFertser, what was the bottom line of Ddorda episode now? what is it we've learnt? Dec 05 23:34:01 DocScrutinizer51: networking is hard for those who doesn't want to learn, but that's what we knew already. Dec 05 23:34:19 lol, yes Dec 05 23:35:27 ubuntu suckses. also not entirely new Dec 05 23:37:24 and... there's more to route (8) than my experience figured to understand Dec 06 00:16:27 Rui|zZz: still here? Dec 06 00:16:41 got a question on elmdentica Dec 06 00:16:46 going... Dec 06 00:16:49 sure Dec 06 00:17:05 is it normal i have to scroll horizontally from time to time? Dec 06 00:17:22 or is that an enlightenment thing? Dec 06 00:17:56 it's normal, means there are bubbles expanding horizontally (due to long urls, for instance) Dec 06 00:18:05 yes indeed Dec 06 00:18:31 ain't there a way to disable that? for instance by choopping those url's when they're getting to long? Dec 06 00:18:52 anchorblocks should, IMHO, do char wrap instead of wordwrap Dec 06 00:19:32 the solution has to be this, because otherwise you're probably hurting usability. Dec 06 00:20:11 I already don't like url shortners because you can't see beforehand where they'll lead, much less if you simply drop them. Dec 06 00:20:20 hmmm.. You could put up a link and when that link is reaching over a max amount of chars it should have a linefeed where / is at... isn't that cleaner? Dec 06 00:21:30 pieterc: what about when you rotate your phone? :) Dec 06 00:21:42 the line feed will still be there, but now it looks like crap Dec 06 00:21:47 Rui|zZz: and the keyboard to be fucked? ;) Dec 06 00:21:48 the solution is fixing the anchorblocks to do word wrap Dec 06 00:22:09 to charwrapping when url? Dec 06 00:22:15 I think I know what should be needed to do that, but it'll have to wait Dec 06 00:22:25 ok Dec 06 00:22:26 pieterc: I didn't understand you... Dec 06 00:22:56 drop it :) Dec 06 00:23:14 I'm happy it will be fixed some day ;) Dec 06 00:23:26 I got another question yet Dec 06 00:23:51 is there a way to change the browser to links instead of midori? Dec 06 00:23:54 or is that hardcoded? Dec 06 00:23:59 the keyboard is launched by pressing on text input areas, I can't much help it... Dec 06 00:24:02 you have untill my last bitbake test ends... Dec 06 00:24:23 pieterc: it's hardcoded to try a set of them Dec 06 00:25:04 woosh, then midori, then dillo, then xdg-open Dec 06 00:25:13 by this order. Dec 06 00:25:23 aww no links Dec 06 00:25:40 how about putting that in the config? Dec 06 00:25:51 shouldn't have a gui, but at least should be in the config file Dec 06 00:25:51 no? Dec 06 00:55:20 Hi guys. What is preferred filesystem type for sd-cards for my freerunner? I want to repartition my sd card. Is it best to use an ext3 filesystem or vfat? Dec 06 01:10:30 feugan3333: ext3 Dec 06 01:11:28 pieterc, Ok thanks Dec 06 01:12:33 vfat will work aswel but ext3 is simply better in many ways :) If you want to use it with that windows kind of operating system (the SD card) as well, you should use vfat Dec 06 01:12:45 but that would be the only reason to use vfat I can think of :) Dec 06 01:16:11 pieterc, Luckily I don't even have a windows system :) Dec 06 02:27:46 latest tango is different Dec 06 02:38:38 i noticed that Dec 06 02:39:03 i like it Dec 06 02:39:03 more screen area Dec 06 02:40:57 trying to get debian on sd Dec 06 02:41:16 the start menu for enlightenment should be on the left side of the drop down illume bar Dec 06 02:41:38 either that or the menus should all go to the left, rather than the right... Dec 06 02:42:14 on debian or latest shr or tango? Dec 06 02:42:26 tango Dec 06 02:42:55 christmas shr Dec 06 02:43:21 how long have you had your freerunner ? Dec 06 02:43:30 day 1 Dec 06 02:43:51 how long is that ? and what model do you have ? Dec 06 02:43:57 v5 Dec 06 02:44:18 was it july 07 i think Dec 06 02:44:23 have you had it two years now ? Dec 06 02:44:24 wow. Dec 06 02:44:33 how much did you pay for it then ? Dec 06 02:44:58 399 + 50 for the "essentials" Dec 06 02:45:16 08 i guess Dec 06 02:45:21 are you in US ? Dec 06 02:45:26 yup Dec 06 02:45:41 what state -just curious. Dec 06 02:45:57 they came outin o7 for freerunner? Dec 06 02:46:19 hillbilly hacker wannabe Dec 06 02:46:32 me too. <---Texas Dec 06 02:46:37 center of usa Dec 06 02:47:05 how long you been playing with linux ? Dec 06 02:47:17 maybe i need to hit u in the head with a football Dec 06 02:47:30 :) Dec 06 02:47:37 huh ? Dec 06 02:47:39 lol Dec 06 02:47:46 arkansas Dec 06 02:47:52 oh Dec 06 02:48:04 i get it. like you could throw a football this far ? Dec 06 02:48:11 naaaa Dec 06 02:48:16 o Dec 06 02:48:31 y from texarkana Dec 06 02:48:41 no. waco Dec 06 02:49:29 i'm probably not getting a sports reference about the football Dec 06 02:49:35 linux=9 years of part time Dec 06 02:51:01 u know the arkansas-texas rivalry Dec 06 02:51:16 i haven't ever had a computer job. i quit using windows right before kernel 2.4.0 was out. i don't remember its release date. sometimes i look it up. i'd guess about 10 years. Dec 06 02:51:42 didn't know about the rivalry. i don't follow sports. Dec 06 02:53:43 so is the testing image a snapshot of the 20091130 image? Dec 06 02:54:09 i don't know. Dec 06 02:54:27 i just now rm -r mp3s so i can have enough space to start building Dec 06 02:54:53 like the second before you asked. :) Dec 06 02:54:53 building what Dec 06 02:55:00 images Dec 06 02:55:04 o Dec 06 02:55:10 and softare opkg's **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Dec 06 02:59:58 2009