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Dec 06 03:01:01 <gonzoism> have you ever distributed anything under the gpl ?
Dec 06 03:02:08 <slaxxer> no
Dec 06 03:03:24 <gonzoism> i did a long about 10 years ago, but not sure I did it right, because I don't have that code anymore.
Dec 06 03:04:27 <gonzoism> to give if it is requested.  i doubt more than ten people even looked at the tarball, though.
Dec 06 03:05:26 <gonzoism> what kind of stuff are you interested in about linux ?  what do you like doing with it most ?
Dec 06 03:09:10 <slaxxer> not haveing viruses
Dec 06 03:09:29 <slaxxer> desktop stuff
Dec 06 03:09:38 <gonzoism> lol @ viruses
Dec 06 03:09:39 <slaxxer> nothing really
Dec 06 03:10:30 <gonzoism> I have a friend who is crazy about desktop stuff.  i spend most of my time in the console.  
Dec 06 03:10:54 <gonzoism> he always knows about gui stuff.  i never do.  
Dec 06 03:11:29 <gonzoism> did you start out using slackware ?
Dec 06 03:11:45 <slaxxer> mandrake
Dec 06 03:11:57 <slaxxer> slack at 9.1
Dec 06 03:12:23 <slaxxer> 9.0
Dec 06 03:13:04 <gonzoism> someone using mandrake got me using zipslack (slackware)  i was offline for a long time after that with just zipslack and reading man pages.  on a computer that was really slow.
Dec 06 03:13:19 <gonzoism> about a year offline.
Dec 06 03:13:29 <slaxxer> i got linux through a maximumCD    had turbolinux
Dec 06 03:13:51 <gonzoism> that sounds pretty cool
Dec 06 03:14:21 <gonzoism> mine came across 56k dialup
Dec 06 03:14:29 <slaxxer> yikes
Dec 06 03:16:20 <gonzoism> i had a 83mhz computer with 32mb ram.  was on dialup for 5 years or so.   i was running enlightenment and also blackbox, and my computer was faster than everyone that had new computers.  p3 350mhz and 500mhz at the time.  
Dec 06 03:16:47 <slaxxer> on slack?
Dec 06 03:16:50 <gonzoism> also my dialup came in faster than everybody elses.
Dec 06 03:17:03 <gonzoism> no, lfs  www.linuxfromscratch.org
Dec 06 03:17:46 <gonzoism> i couldn't play mp3s and run enlightenment and mozilla at the same time though.  but fluxbox could. (if i remember correctly)
Dec 06 03:18:38 <gonzoism> i did lfs for a long time.  i've been interested in making distros ever since.
Dec 06 03:19:32 <gonzoism> dialup came in faster than everyone elses because i had time to tune my connection to match theirs.
Dec 06 03:20:35 <gonzoism> are there many other geeks around where you live ?
Dec 06 03:21:54 <gonzoism> one of my neighbors are.  that is cool.  he is my isp. :)   other than that, not many other people even know what linux is around here.
Dec 06 03:22:26 <slaxxer> some  i live in north west arkansas
Dec 06 03:23:19 <gonzoism> i was using dos 5 and win 3.1 before linux.  cause the computer was too slow for win98
Dec 06 03:23:57 <slaxxer> then u found something that really works
Dec 06 03:24:29 <slaxxer> what no mac?
Dec 06 03:24:48 <gonzoism> macintosh ?  no.
Dec 06 03:25:21 <gonzoism> i had an atari when i was a kid.  i programmed in basic on it, but forgot it all after i grew up.
Dec 06 03:25:38 <gonzoism> you like mac ?
Dec 06 03:26:34 <gonzoism> i like that mac has all the gnu tools underneath it.  i was really surprised when i opened a shell and everything was familiar.  haven't been around them much, though.
Dec 06 03:28:32 <gonzoism> i'm making an image now.
Dec 06 03:28:48 <gonzoism> i've tried a few times, but failed. i think it will work this time.
Dec 06 03:30:24 <gonzoism> what kind of stuff have you done with your phone ?  one of the first things i did was turn on tango and track myself walking around the house. :)  made a square.
Dec 06 05:35:50 <gonzoism> Where is the setting to make illume use a 12h clock on its drop down bar ?
Dec 06 06:11:55 <naught101> what's the freerunner's battery life like?
Dec 06 06:13:58 <naught101> and does the US store post to australia?
Dec 06 06:27:40 <Kamping_Kaiser> naught101: you probably want to buy EU, yanks use 850meg instead of 900
Dec 06 06:29:00 <naught101> Kamping_Kaiser: there's an A7 on the US site that's 900/1800/1900
Dec 06 06:29:55 <Kamping_Kaiser> naught101: oh, ok :)
Dec 06 06:30:27 <gonzoism> i drove 4 hours the other day with gps antenna on and gprs(phone) antenna on.  tango gps tracking me.  i think i had half battery when i got home.  i was impressed.
Dec 06 06:32:42 <zeroedout> my battery will usually last around a day and half with it being suspended alot. if you get the 1024 fix and enable deep sleep, it can last something like 4 days
Dec 06 06:57:55 <naught101> cool
Dec 06 08:07:58 <DocScrutinizer-8> you can't switch GSM antenna, and you don't usually want to switch GPS antenna (though you actually can. It's switched off wenn connecting external GPS antenna)
Dec 06 08:09:25 <DocScrutinizer-8> usually you switch the whole GPS, and the GSM modem or at least its transceiver (at+cfun)
Dec 06 08:30:29 <gonzoism> DocScrutinizer-8  are your above statements in response to mine about having the antennas on ?
Dec 06 12:01:32 <pbaxter> hi all
Dec 06 12:03:03 <dns53> hey
Dec 06 12:49:33 <bhuvi> does anybody know the cost of openmoko phones in india?
Dec 06 12:50:10 <SpeedEvil> openmoko.com, and follow the links to the retailers?
Dec 06 12:50:45 <pbaxter> bhuvi: just buy in another country
Dec 06 12:52:48 <bhuvi> in asia i could find retailers only in northern india
Dec 06 12:54:53 <pbaxter> bhuvi: openmoko.com
Dec 06 12:55:02 <pbaxter> and you buy from US or from Germany
Dec 06 12:59:53 <bhuvi> i fear that the shipping costs will be higher
Dec 06 13:00:59 <pbaxter> bhuvi: don't know
Dec 06 13:01:26 <pbaxter> more yes but not so much i think
Dec 06 13:01:26 <pbaxter> just see prices
Dec 06 14:26:35 <Ddorda> did anyone succeed to install epdfview on SHR?
Dec 06 14:48:06 <spacepluk> hi, I think I'm suffering the buzz issue. Anybody has done the hadware fix?
Dec 06 14:53:30 <[Rui]> I have had it doen
Dec 06 14:53:36 <[Rui]> s/doen/done
Dec 06 14:59:17 <spacepluk> [Rui]: Did you make the soldering yourself? Is it too difficult?
Dec 06 14:59:41 <spacepluk> and, does it works fine? heheh
Dec 06 15:00:41 <[Rui]> spacepluk: "have had it done" means I got someone else to do it :)
Dec 06 15:00:47 <[Rui]> to me it would be super hard
Dec 06 15:02:59 <spacepluk> Ups, I misread :P
Dec 06 15:03:50 <spacepluk> does it solve the problem?
Dec 06 15:04:15 <[Rui]> yes
Dec 06 15:04:25 <spacepluk> Mine does A LOT of noise.
Dec 06 15:05:18 <spacepluk> Do you know if this is the right fix? http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP_rc2.pdf
Dec 06 15:05:29 <[Rui]> no...
Dec 06 15:05:35 <[Rui]> no I don't know
Dec 06 15:05:50 <DocScrutinizer-8> it is
Dec 06 15:09:11 <spacepluk> thanks :)
Dec 06 15:12:41 <redarrow> can someone give suggestions what a one year old openmoko is still worth?
Dec 06 15:18:28 <spacepluk> redarrow: It's worth it if you're willing to spend time on it.
Dec 06 15:20:20 <spacepluk> mmm, my second misread I better go for a walk :P
Dec 06 15:21:07 <redarrow> hmm
Dec 06 15:21:57 <spacepluk> redarrow: you can put an eye on ebay, and see how they're selling.
Dec 06 15:22:08 <redarrow> I got an offer of 150 EUR ... I just want to know if the price is ok, or if I might have to discuss the price
Dec 06 15:29:01 <redarrow> spacepluk: hmm, the german ebay has hundreds of Invisible Shields one openmoko for 30,50 EUR (one week still left) and one openmoko wikireader for 129 EUR
Dec 06 15:35:42 <PaulFertser> I bought a regular TS protector (which is enough to protect screens of 2 FR's) in a local shop for ~10EUR.
Dec 06 15:35:59 <spacepluk> redarrow: I got my freerunner new for about 200 EUR, a year ago. I guess it's a fair price.
Dec 06 15:36:10 <PaulFertser> I can't see any need for a "full-body" protection or for anything more advanced than a regular TS protector.
Dec 06 15:36:37 <max_posedon> 129 euro for wikireader? it costs 120$ with delivery from amazon
Dec 06 15:38:23 <redarrow> max_posedon: I just say what I can see ...
Dec 06 15:38:35 <redarrow> but the wikireader is not what I want ...
Dec 06 15:38:48 <redarrow> so the price is unimportant for me
Dec 06 15:39:39 <redarrow> max_posedon: can you say me what the number (e.g. A7) in the name means?
Dec 06 15:41:54 <max_posedon> it means, that phone have buzz fix from openmoko (most recent hardware rev)
Dec 06 15:42:03 <max_posedon> and few less important small fixes as I know
Dec 06 15:43:37 <redarrow> if the openmoko is one year old can I find information of the Version of it?
Dec 06 15:52:51 <redarrow> max_posedon: are the fixes only software fixes or might there also changes on the hardware?
Dec 06 16:02:25 <max_posedon> hardware's
Dec 06 16:05:25 <max_posedon> openmoko as company don't do any software now
Dec 06 16:05:32 <max_posedon> (neo related)
Dec 06 16:59:30 <PBeck> hi
Dec 06 17:44:20 <redarrow> max_posedon: sorry, for my late respons, if I pay only 80 EUR more for a new Openmoko with 2 years guarantee than it is the 80 EUR worth?
Dec 06 17:44:54 <max_posedon> openmoko what?
Dec 06 17:45:06 <max_posedon> openmoko phone, or openmoko wikireader?
Dec 06 17:45:14 <redarrow> openmoko phone
Dec 06 17:45:27 <max_posedon> as for this, I don't know)
Dec 06 17:46:41 <redarrow> I just try to figure out wether a one year old openmoko phone is a price of 150 EUR worth, when the new Openmoko phone cost 229 EUR
Dec 06 17:49:11 <lindi-> redarrow: A5?
Dec 06 17:50:27 <max_posedon> neo freerunner costs ~250eur for device. and 10k eur for your time
Dec 06 17:50:29 <redarrow> lindi-: I don't know the version - I just heard from one of my friends that he is unhappy with his openmoko (he just wants to take phonecalls) and he wants to sell his
Dec 06 17:50:37 <max_posedon> why you care about device price?)
Dec 06 17:51:25 <redarrow> max_posedon: I'm a student ... there is no money, but time ;)
Dec 06 17:59:41 <cz_jc> redarrow, if you like fiddling with your phone and don't care about very bad gui performance, you'll love the Freerunner
Dec 06 17:59:59 <cz_jc> redarrow, also don't expect to plug in headphones and listen to mp3s
Dec 06 18:00:14 <cz_jc> other than those screwups, its pretty ok. big memory, decent cpu performance
Dec 06 18:03:16 <redarrow> cz_jc: I have an mp3-player wich works fine so I don't need the openmoko to listen to musik, I just want an device for 'fiddling' (name it as you want)
Dec 06 18:03:43 <cz_jc> redarrow, then you'll be very happy
Dec 06 18:04:16 <cz_jc> redarrow, you can upload code into ram via USB and execute it via u-boot.. and its actually encouraged for example XD
Dec 06 18:04:34 <redarrow> cz_jc: I don't want to use it as a telephone mainly - I think this is why many people sell their openmoko after a very short time
Dec 06 18:05:26 <cz_jc> redarrow, well as a phone itself, it works good enough for casual usage. its just that from such a thing, you'd expect it'd be able to do some multimedia
Dec 06 18:05:27 <redarrow> + the main problem - somewhere
Dec 06 18:05:57 <cz_jc> redarrow, also great as a gps
Dec 06 18:06:11 <cz_jc> redarrow, not for driving though, those apps suck
Dec 06 18:06:40 <redarrow> cz_jc: If I had known this I hadn't bought my Garmin Vista HCx ;)
Dec 06 18:07:22 <cz_jc> redarrow, oh well, at least you have a backup ;)
Dec 06 18:09:02 <redarrow> I might compare both gps tracks and merge them while logging for osm ;)
Dec 06 19:13:32 <mattboll> hi all
Dec 06 19:16:42 <gonzoism> hello
Dec 06 19:57:32 <ramo102> Hi, I'm trying to boot from NOR flash, but, when choosing "set console to USB", it gives me error. And if I connect to my pc via usb cable, the bootup screen is showed, but then the device hangs.
Dec 06 19:58:49 <lindi-> redarrow: what error?'
Dec 06 19:59:39 <redarrow> lindi-: I'm not ramo102 ;)
Dec 06 19:59:45 <lindi-> whoops
Dec 06 19:59:52 <lindi-> ramo102: ^
Dec 06 20:00:12 <ramo102> lindi, it simply returns me to the main menu
Dec 06 20:00:41 <lindi-> ramo102: that is not an error
Dec 06 22:06:03 <musdav_> salve a tutti ^^
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