**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 11 02:59:56 2009 Dec 11 03:29:54 hi everyone, i have an cheap 1G Transcend uSD and can't install SHR on it, is there any distribution that will survive on this card? Dec 11 03:30:31 that's not going to be a dist specific problem, but a card specific problem Dec 11 03:30:41 if you can mount/read/write to it, any dist will work Dec 11 03:37:36 ndnihil: i see, thank you. Dec 11 03:41:18 hey can anyone help me out please? Dec 11 03:44:05 with? Dec 11 03:44:22 port: what 's your problem? i'll try if i know it :) Dec 11 03:46:31 i have the neo freerunner connected to dfu. where do i put the jffs2 file. i have it on my desktop. but when i go to flash it says no file. sorry noob Dec 11 03:48:04 port: first you must start neotool as root, like "sudo ./neotool.sh" Dec 11 03:48:26 port: or else it won't let you flash your neo Dec 11 03:49:10 im using in terminal sudo dfu-util -d 0x1d50:0x5119 -a rootfs -R -D full-om-gta02.jffs2 Dec 11 03:49:21 will try naquan Dec 11 03:50:37 port: did you start the phone to uboot menu? Dec 11 03:50:57 yes Dec 11 03:51:42 it says device_configured:1 Dec 11 03:51:53 im conected Dec 11 03:54:12 naquan http://pastebin.org63370 Dec 11 03:55:56 naquan http://pastebin.org/63370 Dec 11 03:56:21 port: are you in the same directory with the jffs2 file? Dec 11 03:56:56 what directory that what i dont no what to do or put the file Dec 11 03:57:16 where do i put the file? Dec 11 03:57:27 i have it on my desktop Dec 11 03:58:16 port: may be it 's ~/Desktop, change to there, like "cd ~/Desktop" Dec 11 03:58:49 k trying Dec 11 03:58:50 and try the command again Dec 11 03:59:51 how do i write that in the terminal? Dec 11 04:00:14 cd ~/Desktop Dec 11 04:00:21 just that? Dec 11 04:00:55 and the try your dfu command again Dec 11 04:01:08 *then Dec 11 04:02:27 K Dec 11 04:03:15 WORKED Dec 11 04:03:22 LOVE YOU MAN Dec 11 04:03:58 :) glad that it work Dec 11 04:04:29 i use the neotool, it 's more simple, you should try it too :) Dec 11 04:04:54 lol iv been trying this for month. im using linuxmint 7 will try Dec 11 04:05:11 how long does it take Dec 11 04:05:11 ? Dec 11 04:05:59 i have android installed was so easy why are the outher distros hard to install Dec 11 04:06:30 the flash process 's really long, about 15 minutes or so they said Dec 11 04:08:07 im trying SHR but i was about to go postal lol thanks agian Dec 11 04:08:12 you should try neotool, it make the flashing process easier Dec 11 04:08:23 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NeoTool Dec 11 04:08:37 does it work on any disto vista and linux Dec 11 04:08:38 just a script that do almost everything :) Dec 11 04:09:26 they dont have it for ubuntu thats what i use the most Dec 11 04:09:53 still learning linux Dec 11 04:11:01 i'm using ubuntu too. i downloaded the script and run it Dec 11 04:13:18 port: You don't have to flash SHR into the Neo's onboard flash, Dec 11 04:14:12 i have no idea what im doing just missinig around trying to learn how to work with it Dec 11 04:14:15 port: you can just load it onto a µSD card, put the card into the Neo, and it'll boot off of that. Dec 11 04:15:12 i tryed that with fat32 aand ex2 and 3 didnt work probubly my card doesnt work for it Dec 11 04:15:47 it works when i install android in fat32 but not the outher distros Dec 11 04:16:01 Um. Dec 11 04:16:29 Android doesn't `install in fat32', either. Dec 11 04:16:43 i mine ex2 sorry Dec 11 04:16:52 works for me Dec 11 04:17:29 If you just format your µSD as ext3, and unpack the SHR tarball into it, that should work. Dec 11 04:18:08 You'd want to download a tarball for that, though--not a jffs2 image. Dec 11 04:18:41 i did the tarball but when estracking i dont have permisson Dec 11 04:19:05 Right, you need to unpack it as root :) Dec 11 04:19:27 ? Dec 11 04:19:35 sudo right Dec 11 04:19:40 Right. Dec 11 04:19:59 Just be sure that you unpack it *into the µSD filesystem*, Dec 11 04:20:17 and *not into your computer's filesystem* :) Dec 11 04:20:51 ext3 is it primery or extended ? Dec 11 04:21:01 parted Dec 11 04:21:22 Are you only going to have 1 partition? Dec 11 04:22:02 dosnt the uimage go in fat 32 and tar in ex3 Dec 11 04:22:37 Not if you're booting with Qi, Dec 11 04:22:59 which you are if you installed Android. Dec 11 04:23:37 uboot 1.3.2 Dec 11 04:23:50 I don't know where you're reading that from. Dec 11 04:23:53 :) Dec 11 04:24:27 You had to hold the AUX button to get into uboot, didn't you? Dec 11 04:24:34 yes Dec 11 04:24:57 If you don't hold the AUX button, you boot through Qi, Dec 11 04:25:11 which is the newer bootloader. Dec 11 04:25:30 Android requires Qi, and the Android installer automatically installs Qi. Dec 11 04:25:53 its says uboot Dec 11 04:26:01 "it"? Dec 11 04:26:37 What says uboot? Dec 11 04:27:15 flashing the jffs2 and uimage from shr didnt work dam Dec 11 04:27:46 I don't understand what you're saying. Dec 11 04:28:07 lol im at a blank now Dec 11 04:28:31 * rozzin sighs. Dec 11 04:28:46 all i no is android is the only one i can get to work Dec 11 04:30:14 going to try to flash a nother distro Dec 11 04:30:20 port: can you tell me the way you installed android Dec 11 04:31:26 port: maybe the android installer flashed your bootloader with qi Dec 11 04:31:39 i put the files on to a partition that is ether ex2 or fat32 dont remember now and then boot from microsd Dec 11 04:31:52 and works Dec 11 04:32:22 where did you get those files? Dec 11 04:32:52 there're 2 way to install android Dec 11 04:33:07 1 is install it directly on sd card Dec 11 04:33:30 i have it on my vista pc .its a website that has aweekly build Dec 11 04:33:31 I may be out of date on this, Dec 11 04:33:46 the other copy install files on sd card and then those file run and flash your phone with android image Dec 11 04:33:58 but last I checked there was no way to install Android on the µSD card-- Dec 11 04:34:21 there's an *installer* that you can load onto the µSD card, Dec 11 04:34:49 and booting that installer results in Android being flashed into the Neo's onboard memory. Dec 11 04:35:05 if you want give me your email ill send you the site or stand by ill log on to vista and come back to thr irc Dec 11 04:35:12 yes Dec 11 04:35:37 it work great android Dec 11 04:35:45 http://freerunner.android.koolu.com/release-files Dec 11 04:35:45 the email's naq2112@yahoo.com Dec 11 04:35:48 port: Is that the site? Dec 11 04:36:01 i must go now Dec 11 04:36:06 see you later Dec 11 04:36:11 no not koolu Dec 11 04:36:22 stand by ill be back k Dec 11 04:37:39 my email is blackfalcon1@sapo.pt ill get back to you Dec 11 04:43:36 naquan you there Dec 11 04:43:56 naquan has gone, I think. Dec 11 04:44:09 k Dec 11 04:44:54 So, URL? Dec 11 04:45:13 ? Dec 11 04:46:11 You said, "if you want give me your email ill send you the site or stand by ill log on to vista and come back to thr irc". Dec 11 04:46:30 ok Dec 11 04:47:04 You were going to bring back a URL, no? :) Dec 11 04:47:24 http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/ Dec 11 04:47:54 Ah. Dec 11 04:48:01 see lol Dec 11 04:48:13 Right, same thing as on the Koolu page. Dec 11 04:48:34 koolu quit Dec 11 04:48:41 See, right there--it says, "he automated install process should begin. It installs the Qi bootloader" Dec 11 04:49:20 Are we on the same page (metaphorically speaking...) yet? :) Dec 11 04:49:24 true Dec 11 04:50:07 but then to install a nother distro do i have to flash the nand? Dec 11 04:50:14 No. Dec 11 04:50:43 You can just install other distros onto a µSD card, and boot off of the card. Dec 11 04:50:43 so to flash i need jssf2 and uboot thats it Dec 11 04:50:57 Pardon? Dec 11 04:51:22 but i only works with android with the card i have. Dec 11 04:51:31 Because you're doing it wrong :) Dec 11 04:51:55 iv try doing the same thing with everyouther distro and doesnt work Dec 11 04:52:18 What I'm saying is that you *do not need to flash with dfu-util*. Dec 11 04:52:23 brain fart probably lol Dec 11 04:52:57 You can *just format the uSD as ext3 and unpack a tarball onto it*. Dec 11 04:53:13 ok lets say i want to install a distro that isnt android how do i do that Dec 11 04:54:17 You're using gparted to partition/format the µSD? Dec 11 04:54:57 so the uimage goes in there to Dec 11 04:55:11 yes Dec 11 04:55:17 gparted Dec 11 04:55:36 No, no uImage. Dec 11 04:55:52 where does that go? Dec 11 04:55:58 It doesn't. Dec 11 04:56:01 k Dec 11 04:56:25 so just jffs2 Dec 11 04:56:28 No. Dec 11 04:56:39 No jffs2, either :) Dec 11 04:56:39 lol Dec 11 04:56:47 tarball my bad Dec 11 04:57:12 Hm. Dec 11 04:57:16 I understand why I'm confusing you-- Dec 11 04:57:56 the problem is extracting the tarball Dec 11 04:58:05 The `installing SHR' page tells you to use df-util and flash into NAND. Dec 11 04:58:33 Let's back up a little, shall we? :) Dec 11 04:58:47 Take the µSD out of the Neo, and put it into your PC. Dec 11 04:58:54 k Dec 11 04:59:06 Run gparted, Dec 11 04:59:26 im on vista now lol Dec 11 04:59:30 repartition the µSD: create 1 primary partition, format it as ext3. Dec 11 04:59:55 Oh. Um..., I gather that Windows can't write ext3 filesystems? :) Dec 11 05:00:01 yep Dec 11 05:00:06 but go on Dec 11 05:00:17 Bah. Windows is not ready for the desktop.... Dec 11 05:00:21 Yeah, anyway :) Dec 11 05:00:22 ill see if it me doing something wrong Dec 11 05:00:48 So, now you've got your µSD with one (primary) ext3 partition. Dec 11 05:01:15 Mount the µSD, Dec 11 05:01:32 cd into the mountpoint, Dec 11 05:01:42 ? Dec 11 05:01:43 and unpack the SHR tarball with sudo. Dec 11 05:01:47 k Dec 11 05:02:17 i dont now haw to unpack in the terminal Dec 11 05:02:30 that probably way Dec 11 05:02:46 It's extremely important that you unpack it into that mountpoint, not into your PC's filesystem. Dec 11 05:03:04 I guess that's why they just say to flash it into the onboard NAND with dfu-util.... Dec 11 05:03:09 ? mountpoint Dec 11 05:03:23 Mmm. Dec 11 05:03:39 You're coming from Windows, so this is new terminology for you.... Dec 11 05:03:45 yes Dec 11 05:04:12 I have to calibrate :) Dec 11 05:04:13 iv been opening the tarball with the file opener Dec 11 05:04:25 Just how new are you to unix-like systems? Dec 11 05:04:43 on ubuntu 9.10 6 months Dec 11 05:04:56 Mmmmm. Dec 11 05:05:12 now i see where the problem is Dec 11 05:05:32 I'd hate to be the guy who got you confused enough to ruin your system :( Dec 11 05:05:47 im all about lerning Dec 11 05:06:12 i have a old laptop laying around hehe Dec 11 05:06:40 cant i just open it from the desktop? Dec 11 05:06:48 Do you know about how the unix filesystem just looks like one big, unified hierarchy (no `drive letters')? Dec 11 05:07:27 you talking abouth the filesystem Dec 11 05:09:25 I'll take that as a `no', I guess. Dec 11 05:09:27 Hm. Dec 11 05:10:30 I hate to leave you hanging, Dec 11 05:10:30 im probably just wasting your time. it for now is out of my area intill a learn some more Dec 11 05:11:09 its fine you been more then helpfull thanks Dec 11 05:11:24 not there yet lol Dec 11 05:11:25 it's just getting to be past my bedtime, here :) Dec 11 05:11:33 samehere Dec 11 05:11:47 peaceout thanks agian Dec 11 05:13:06 It's sort-of pleasantly surprising to discover that people other than old unix-heads are interested in the Neos :) Dec 11 05:18:53 the .31 kernel started working yet? Dec 11 05:19:54 should i use it on the latest unstable shr? Dec 11 05:32:26 slaxxer: where did you get that .31 kernel? i think the latest is 2.6.29? Dec 11 05:41:43 oh god, i can't install anything on my cheap 1G Transcend, i guess that's the reason they give it for free. :( Dec 11 05:48:10 http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/ Dec 11 05:48:31 lost my ssh somehow Dec 11 05:48:57 i thought it was due to opkg upgrade but i guess not Dec 11 05:49:04 Check in the sofa pillows; I find lots of things there. Dec 11 05:50:53 mwester any updated kernels at your place?? i failed to find the cushins Dec 11 05:51:12 Nope, I haven't had any time at all to work on this stuff :( Dec 11 05:51:47 which u use/ n900? Dec 11 05:54:20 hmm the shr wizard Dec 11 05:57:22 so watsup a job an family? Dec 11 05:58:52 naquan put it in a camera an format it that way then try again Dec 11 05:59:15 might just fix it quickly Dec 11 05:59:52 Job and family never used to get in the way; but with the economy so screwed here, I have take work where I find it... this year it's across an international border, at a company that's so security paranoid that they even kill long-lived HTTPS connections, so I'm totally isolated without even tunnels most of the time. :( Dec 11 05:59:59 any luck with that kernel? Dec 11 06:00:24 dangit Dec 11 06:00:30 And of course, with roaming fees what they are, it's pointless to try to take a gta0x along to work with. :( Dec 11 06:00:35 eastern europe? Dec 11 06:00:39 So I put it all on the shelf for a while. Dec 11 06:00:53 so they dont take it Dec 11 06:00:57 No - north america. I think eastern europe wouold be a better place. Dec 11 06:01:24 so canada? Dec 11 06:01:52 By the time our current set of politicians gets finished with the US, we'll be basically indistinguishable from an eastern european country and economy. Dec 11 06:02:16 So yeah, I have to comute up to Canada to find work. That's how bad it is in the US mid-west. Dec 11 06:02:25 closer to hegemony? Dec 11 06:02:55 nobody likes change any less that people with short term memory loss Dec 11 06:03:38 we californians are looking to cross the border into mexico to find work and dodge bullets Dec 11 06:04:01 hasnt man proven beyond a reasonable dought that man cannot rule man\ Dec 11 06:04:25 an anarchist! hoorah! Dec 11 06:04:32 Yeah, the "joke" I heard from some Texas-based co-workers was that the illegal aliens are now Americans fleeing into Mexico. Dec 11 06:05:20 even if u get a cool man for fifty years then he dies an your stuck with yet another turd-buket Dec 11 06:05:23 the movie "a day without a gringo" is in the works Dec 11 06:07:51 i decided a long time ago that an old house is better than a new house any day of the week so i have stayed here for 27 years Dec 11 06:09:30 so there having a time uprooting me because of -- LOW OVERHEAD-- Dec 11 06:53:01 slaxxer: what's the difference between a camera and my card reader? i don't have any camera that use uSD cards :( Dec 11 07:05:39 good morning Dec 11 09:27:19 Anyone know if it is safe to upgrade unstable now, or is the flashing still preferrable. Dec 11 13:23:50 hi all Dec 11 13:24:04 hi Dec 11 13:26:04 hi Dec 11 13:45:00 is there anyway Dec 11 13:45:07 to copy all numbers from the sim carddß Dec 11 13:45:09 with om Dec 11 16:29:14 hey Dec 11 16:29:58 today a friend's portable was out of batery, and he had a usb recharger with him Dec 11 16:30:22 so I said, sure, i'll put my moko in hostmode and you can recharge using my batterypower Dec 11 16:30:38 but apparently it pulled quite hard because my moko got extremey hot Dec 11 16:30:56 and the batery is falsely indicating his powerlevel is 0 Dec 11 16:31:04 any clues? Dec 11 18:50:34 moko got stolen/lost :( Dec 11 18:52:16 uh \o/ Dec 11 18:53:55 :( Dec 11 18:54:34 I was looking forward to FOSDEM but apperently now I won't have a phone... So depressing Dec 11 19:00:32 pieterc: can i help with one http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/5862/img5748h.jpg Dec 11 19:01:11 fgau: how do you mean? Dec 11 19:02:37 na, thats was i pix from the 2009 pyneos days, sry Dec 11 19:14:22 I've sent an email to my provider to ask for a location lookup Dec 11 19:14:29 they can track that right? Dec 11 19:15:10 they should be able to do that Dec 11 19:16:01 I said the machine was of great emotional value and the possibility the finder can work with it is minimal Dec 11 19:16:36 I use this: http://www.opkg.org/package_92.html Dec 11 19:16:44 yea, it's too late to install eh Dec 11 19:16:59 I wish I had Dec 11 19:17:15 EVERYONE: PLEASE INSTALL SMS SENTRY OR YOU'LL REGRET IT ;) Dec 11 19:22:04 hehe Dec 11 19:36:32 sms sentry not installed by default? Dec 11 22:55:55 mah **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Dec 12 02:59:57 2009