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Dec 12 03:26:25 <slaxxer> dangit
Dec 12 03:51:45 * mwester dangs it.
Dec 12 03:52:55 * SeligArkin its dang
Dec 12 04:38:07 <DocScrutinizer51> dingdang
Dec 12 04:42:57 <slaxxer> tried that newer guitar tune  from the community list ?
Dec 12 04:43:30 <slaxxer> didnt work for me  although  i may have had a bad filesys on
Dec 12 07:40:13 <slaxxer> any .31 kernel users on shr?
Dec 12 07:57:43 <naught101> Does anyone know if it's possible to user the freerunner with NextG?
Dec 12 08:06:02 <mickeyl>  afaik you need a 3g-capable modem to connect to nextg
Dec 12 08:06:09 <mickeyl> so... unfortunately no
Dec 12 08:11:09 <naught101> mickeyl: any idea if that would ever be possible (with hardware hacking, obviously)
Dec 12 08:11:17 <raster> no
Dec 12 08:11:23 <raster> not without hanging a 3g dongle off the fr
Dec 12 08:11:36 <raster> 3g modules are huge heenerally
Dec 12 08:11:38 <dns53> i have heard that someone has used a 3g dongle and it has worked
Dec 12 08:11:45 <naught101> ok, cool.
Dec 12 08:11:47 <raster> geenerally
Dec 12 08:11:56 <raster> if uw ant the small ones - they need to be integrated on board
Dec 12 08:12:04 <raster> the only sane option is a real 3g phone
Dec 12 08:12:46 <naught101> cool. good info
Dec 12 08:13:07 <raster> also a 3g module - if you buy one you can usse will cost $100-
Dec 12 08:13:09 <raster> egg
Dec 12 08:13:16 <raster> err $100-$500
Dec 12 08:13:22 <raster> in that range
Dec 12 08:13:26 <raster> ($200 is not uncommon)
Dec 12 08:13:38 <raster> the 3g modem dongles u can get are the only thing that might be affordable and work
Dec 12 08:13:50 <raster> but u'll now run 3 modems and have a pretty ugly phone
Dec 12 08:14:01 <naught101> hehe
Dec 12 08:14:06 <raster> so lower battery life
Dec 12 08:14:13 <raster> bulky
Dec 12 08:14:20 <raster> etc.
Dec 12 08:14:40 <raster> 3g modems are small and cheap... for the big boys that buy them in large quantiities
Dec 12 08:14:41 <naught101> on battery life, the GPS and wifi and all that can be turned off, right?
Dec 12 08:14:50 <raster> thus why 3g phones can be very reasonably priced
Dec 12 08:16:36 <raster> yes
Dec 12 08:17:54 <ikrabbe> Now I'm confused: Ticket #1815 says modified 10 months ago but in the ticket text the Manufacturing Date of the Chip is 6/2009
Dec 12 08:18:18 <ikrabbe> so the chip was manufactured some month after the statement was wrote?
Dec 12 08:18:25 <ikrabbe> anyway, I have the same problem
Dec 12 08:19:08 <ikrabbe> though I couldn't get it running with my linux system too
Dec 12 08:34:09 <ikrabbe> hmm, actually I don't have the same problem but a deeper one with the SanDisk, I have the same device. 
Dec 12 08:34:12 <ikrabbe> Any hints?
Dec 12 08:34:43 <ikrabbe> SanDisk 8Gb "SU08G" rev8
Dec 12 08:34:52 <ikrabbe> should actually work, but nothing does
Dec 12 08:42:34 <naught101> SHR is the current recommended OS for the Freerunner, right?
Dec 12 08:42:55 <naught101> does it use a repository system for packages?
Dec 12 08:45:10 <Wonka> it does
Dec 12 08:46:13 <naught101> Wonka: where?
Dec 12 08:46:55 <Wonka> http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/ipk/ and http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk/
Dec 12 08:47:14 <Wonka> and several independet repos
Dec 12 08:47:37 <naught101> coool
Dec 12 08:49:03 <ikrabbe> btw: are the dates in docs.openmoko.org/trac right?
Dec 12 08:49:33 <ikrabbe> related to ticket #1815
Dec 12 08:56:06 <naught101> anyone know of a good PIM with calendar that will sync with KDEPIM/korganizer?
Dec 12 09:01:08 <_diego_> hello, i've an GTA01 and i'm trying to use gllin, but it don't start. It's just core dump.
Dec 12 09:01:46 <_diego_> there is some reason why it does'nt work anymore with recent distribution?
Dec 12 09:01:56 <_diego_> *known reason
Dec 12 09:13:29 <larsc> probably because it expects certain sysfs files to exist which don't exist anymore
Dec 12 09:16:36 <larsc> but there is a binary patch somewhere
Dec 12 09:45:15 <ikrabbe> I have problems compiling the sample project from the toolchain (x86_64): The libtool arguments aren't parsed correct::q
Dec 12 09:45:56 <ikrabbe> /bin/sh ../libtool --tag=CC  ... >>  ../libtool: line 810: X--tag=CC: command not found
Dec 12 09:53:22 <ikrabbe> hmm $echo is empty
Dec 12 09:53:45 <ikrabbe> does anyone know here where libtool comes from in Toolchain (om-conf)
Dec 12 09:53:59 <ikrabbe> (thats why I hate autoconf tools)
Dec 12 09:54:53 <ikrabbe> possibly if fails as I use bash4?
Dec 12 09:59:11 <ikrabbe> is there a scm repository (git preferred) for the toolchain? 
Dec 12 10:22:21 <PBeck> hi
Dec 12 11:35:05 <ikrabbe1> does anyone else had problems with libtool in the toolchain ?
Dec 12 11:35:33 <ikrabbe1> http://downloads.openmoko.org/developer/toolchains/openmoko-x86_64-arm-linux-gnueabi-toolchain.tar.bz2
Dec 12 11:36:35 <ikrabbe> I don't want to fix it, if its already done somewhere?
Dec 12 14:42:42 <edje> hi, i would like to set a bigger font for shr-messages. any idea on how to do that ?
Dec 12 19:32:21 <dvermd> what is the recommended way to adjust sound in shr-u ?
Dec 12 19:32:46 <dvermd> the 2 slider during call doesn't seem to be able to cancel the echo
Dec 12 19:46:21 <UberNeo> whats the difference between a filtered port and an open port
Dec 12 21:24:04 <tomcatek> UberNeo: filtered port = blocked port
Dec 12 21:29:44 <DocScrutinizer-8> dvermd: who's got echo?
Dec 12 21:55:29 <dvermd> DocScrutinizer-8, the other side
Dec 12 22:56:08 <naught101> Are there any plans for new (updated) freerunner hardware releases in the near future?
Dec 12 22:57:09 <max_posedon> naught101, nope
Dec 12 23:06:28 <naught101> max_posedon: thanks
Dec 12 23:08:53 <DocScrutinizer51> naught101: definitely not
Dec 12 23:30:55 <naught101> anyone here use a PIM on SHR? if so, which ones, and do they sync well with kontact?
Dec 13 00:20:35 <naught101> anyone know what the performance and batterylife are like when running debian?
Dec 13 00:33:56 <lindi-> naught101: 3 mA in suspend with everything off
Dec 13 00:36:50 <naught101> lindi-: ok, but I would prefer to use it at least some of the time... what about, say, running pidgin, ssh, and browsing the 'net? compated to SHR?
Dec 13 00:42:22 <lindi-> naught101: i haven't not managed to compile shr
Dec 13 00:44:51 <naught101> ok
Dec 13 00:57:10 <der-lehmann> buzz after buzz-fix! what sould i do now?
Dec 13 01:41:14 <SeligArkin> I wonder how hard it would be to modify wine to be able to run windows mobile apps...
Dec 13 01:41:49 <SpeedEvil> Interesting question, that I have no idea about
Dec 13 01:44:11 <tomcatek> I'm not sure if FR have enough power to cover that
Dec 13 01:55:39 <SeligArkin> Yeah. :/
Dec 13 02:54:05 <balrog-kun> SeligArkin: it doesn't require any cpu power
Dec 13 02:54:30 <balrog-kun> in fact i hear wine takes less cpu time to run a windows app than windows takes to run the same app
Dec 13 02:55:00 <SeligArkin> I am honestly not even suyre how wine operates
Dec 13 02:55:28 <SeligArkin> It's on my to-do list of things to find out how work
Dec 13 02:55:31 <SeligArkin> :P
Dec 13 02:56:35 <balrog-kun> (it doesn't support windows mobile right now afaik, but if it did i assume it would use less cpu power analogously to win32)
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