**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 26 02:59:56 2009 Dec 26 05:20:19 Hey everybody, merry christmas Dec 26 05:35:22 last week i got my neo fr and im having trouble booting from sd Dec 26 06:36:32 ping: raster Dec 26 06:55:01 I am sure you all have been keeping up on the state of Linux smart phones. What do you all think Dec 26 09:38:22 hi folks Dec 26 09:38:46 I've been using SHR for a few weeks now and choose the version from august as you recommended back then Dec 26 09:39:07 I feel it's still a bit too unstable for my taste, is there a more stable solution available now? Dec 26 09:39:33 it doesn't have to be shr, so feel free to suggest other distros/OS as well Dec 26 09:40:18 lindi-: hey :) knowing you like decent tools what can you suggest for collaborating on planning common tasks and appointments with my coworker? Dec 26 09:41:30 * ndnihil got a Linux-running arm9 toy for xmas :) Dec 26 09:43:03 Zeti, shr-testing (see topic) is pretty damn nice Dec 26 09:43:16 the only thing I had to do was turn the mic volume down a bit Dec 26 09:43:43 samgee, simply the newest version? Dec 26 09:43:49 btw, to everyone who helped make shr-testing happen: thank you and congratulations! Dec 26 09:44:06 I'm just looking at http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/ Dec 26 09:44:58 Zeti, I installed it a few weeks ago, I don't know if anything's changed since then Dec 26 09:45:06 but I guess newest version will be alright Dec 26 09:45:18 kk Dec 26 09:45:47 does the battery last longer now? Dec 26 09:45:50 PaulFertser: can't really suggest much Dec 26 09:46:20 lindi-: i'm desperate, he wants me to use some ajax shit or bloated sunbird and friends :/ Dec 26 09:46:28 Zeti, I plug mine in every night, so I haven't really tested that Dec 26 09:46:46 lindi-: i envision there should be something like simple and clean bidirectional sync for emacs org-mode through git. Dec 26 09:47:12 PaulFertser, you're looking for a collaboration platform or a PIM? Dec 26 09:47:14 Zeti, it's at least 36 hours because I forgot to plug it in one night and still ran fine until I remembered Dec 26 09:47:20 That way would follow proper unix philosophy and allow for easy integration with whatever one wants (e.g. e-mail notifications). Dec 26 09:47:39 Zeti: i'm looking for some "calendar syncronizing" solution that "doesn't suck". Dec 26 09:48:08 hmm Dec 26 09:48:26 i'm currently using google calendar Dec 26 09:48:39 And by doesn't suck i mean it should not suck, should be clean and simple, should follow unix philosophy, i.e. faciliate easy integration with other traditional tools. Dec 26 09:48:41 but threw an eye on zimbra or open xchange Dec 26 09:49:01 Zeti: i sincerely hope google search and google e-mail are the first and last google "services" i use. Dec 26 09:49:07 sounds like you want a client solution? Dec 26 09:49:17 Zeti: using zimbra in emacs-w3m? Sounds like "fun". Dec 26 09:49:39 Zeti: i think i want something like DVCS for calendars. Dec 26 09:49:42 i don't use emacs, but I imagine a console browser, so no fun Dec 26 09:49:59 Of course i need my calendar to be usable in gnu screen. Dec 26 09:50:27 I've never heart of a calendar based on vc Dec 26 09:50:54 Am i fucking nuts or what? Dec 26 09:50:58 you couldn't make multiple people having to agree to a certain commit Dec 26 09:51:09 ie change of plans Dec 26 09:53:09 Zeti: you can have it as "i commit my agreement to change plans" "he commit his agreement" etc. If everyone agrees, the client will show everyone involved agreed or not. Dec 26 09:54:23 I just do not understand why the hell i want something that doesn't seem to exist. Does it mean i do not understand usability and in fact i'm mad ineffective being poisoned by "misleading unix philosophy"? Dec 26 09:54:42 linux philosophy is fine Dec 26 09:55:13 but I don't understand your solution to my problem Dec 26 09:55:29 you would have to do additional commits for every rescheduling Dec 26 09:55:58 imagine 200 ppl rescheduling a xmas dinner next year Dec 26 09:57:05 i most linux users either do not care about the day of week, or dates... or are already forced to work with an exchange server all day Dec 26 09:57:08 +guess Dec 26 09:58:26 Zeti: i can't see what's wrong with 200 commits. Dec 26 09:58:58 well before all of them agree to a certain date and time the first guy already wants to reschedule again Dec 26 09:59:23 Zeti: so how tasks like that can be done in general? Is it possible to solve in a sane way at all? Dec 26 09:59:41 I don't know any "simple" solution for this problem Dec 26 10:01:00 both lotus notes as well as outlook suck :-) Dec 26 10:01:12 I don't know any other large scale collaboration platform Dec 26 10:01:23 besides web based applications Dec 26 10:01:33 How about combining several smaller apps? Dec 26 10:01:34 the latter makes some nice primnitive interfaces at least Dec 26 10:01:40 Maybe Kontact? Dec 26 10:18:35 azaghal_: :( Dec 26 10:19:53 It would be cool to have a calender app, that could do something like doodle. http://doodle.com Dec 26 10:20:03 Using an open protocol and stuff Dec 26 10:20:43 But apart from that I don't have much to add. We use webcal at work, and people complain about it :) Dec 26 10:21:14 nielsle_: thanks Dec 26 10:22:08 what may be the problem if dfu-util is not listing my fr2 but i see it in lsusb Dec 26 10:23:13 Zeti: probably it'll work if you specify path? Dec 26 10:23:27 Zeti: or make your fr1 leave DFU mode Dec 26 10:23:45 erm Dec 26 10:24:19 Zeti: and yes, ensure your fr2 is in DFU mode. Dec 26 10:25:54 I missed everything after I said "Kontact" :) Dec 26 10:27:42 azaghal_: :( Dec 26 10:27:49 Ah ;) Dec 26 10:27:49 It would be cool to have a calender app, that could do something like doodle. http://doodle.com Dec 26 10:27:49 Using an open protocol and stuff Dec 26 10:27:49 But apart from that I don't have much to add. We use webcal at work, and people complain about it :) Dec 26 10:27:49 nielsle_: thanks Dec 26 10:27:56 Yep, saw that. Dec 26 10:27:56 well Dec 26 10:28:03 brb Dec 26 10:28:31 my fr2 is in nor menu and connected to the pc Dec 26 10:28:34 still nothing Dec 26 10:29:42 Zeti: have you tried specifying VID/PID? Dec 26 10:30:37 these usbids? Dec 26 10:30:40 yes Dec 26 10:30:57 no dfu-util -d 0x1d50:0x5119 -a rootfs -R -D full-om-gta02.jffs2 Dec 26 10:30:57 dfu-util - (C) 2007-2008 by OpenMoko Inc. Dec 26 10:30:57 This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY Dec 26 10:30:57 No DFU capable USB device found Dec 26 10:31:30 Zeti: tried with root permissions? Dec 26 10:31:42 I'm root Dec 26 10:31:54 used su if that makes a difference Dec 26 10:32:28 dfu-util only lists m bluetooth device btw Dec 26 10:32:36 Zeti: strange. For me nor u-boot worked without problems all the time. There's 30 sec timeout but if i'm fast enough, it worked. Dec 26 10:33:36 Zeti: i'd try stracing just in case. Dec 26 12:56:26 does somebody know how to get my pppoe internet to my fr2? Dec 26 12:56:53 neither the wiki nor the set of iptables rules a friend of mine came up for my router at home are working Dec 26 12:59:58 i can ping my notebooks internet ip Dec 26 13:00:06 but now the laptops nameserver ip Dec 26 13:00:31 Zeti2: did you solve dfu problems? Dec 26 13:01:26 Zeti2: (get the internet) well, it all depends on your network. You can either bridge interfaces (if applicable) or do MASQUARADEing/SNAT or use some http proxy etc. It all depends. Dec 26 13:01:41 well Dec 26 13:01:51 it might be good to ping an existing ip Dec 26 13:01:58 head banging onto table Dec 26 13:02:15 but my notebook is using a nameserver not in my resolv.conf Dec 26 13:02:19 that's strange Dec 26 13:03:39 Zeti2: to get something done you need to decide on what you want first and then on how you plan to do it. Dec 26 13:04:36 well i got it running, but my test case was faulty :-P Dec 26 13:16:45 samgee, sry but I get enlightenment errors all over the place Dec 26 13:31:29 i'm missing many settings eg. the icon-theme from the settings menu Dec 26 13:31:38 were they moved somewhere else or similar? Dec 26 13:34:12 ah sry Dec 26 13:34:14 found it Dec 26 15:43:10 hi all. i'm leaving the UK and need a good home for my openmoko phase-1 neo1973 Dec 26 15:43:21 anyone want it? i'll mail it out Dec 26 15:44:09 free to a good home, iow :) none of my mates have time to work on it :( Dec 26 15:44:33 can't You work on it whereever You are going? Dec 26 15:45:00 i lost motivation... I had serious difficulty building my own kernels and userland Dec 26 15:45:13 i mean, previously i had a working toolchain Dec 26 15:45:26 but then left the project for 6 months or so Dec 26 15:45:33 and when i came back to it everything was busted Dec 26 15:45:42 it was too much build-system horror for me to deal with Dec 26 15:45:59 but if anyone is working on gta01 already, then another one might be useful Dec 26 15:46:21 seriously, just say the word, i'll mail it out with all its accessories Dec 26 15:46:33 the alternative is i throw it away :( Dec 26 15:46:35 can You mail it outside UK? Dec 26 15:46:41 to europe, probably Dec 26 15:47:01 then I would be interested :] Dec 26 15:47:02 like, surface mail Dec 26 15:47:03 ok :) Dec 26 15:47:07 where i europe are you? Dec 26 15:47:08 *in Dec 26 15:47:14 poland Dec 26 15:47:16 ok Dec 26 15:47:24 email me at tonygarnockjones@gmail.com Dec 26 15:47:40 ok Dec 26 15:47:45 (btw this is me: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:TonyGarnockJones) Dec 26 15:49:11 PaulFertser was searching one, just in case you cannot agree with each other for some reason :P Dec 26 15:49:38 hehe Dec 26 15:49:45 Whoever gets it in the end Dec 26 15:49:55 please make sure you test shr on it :P Dec 26 15:50:03 :) Dec 26 15:50:05 (as we don't know if it even works, it probably doesn't atm) Dec 26 15:50:48 tonyg: mail sent Dec 26 15:50:57 sweet Dec 26 15:51:05 TAsn: I will test SHR :] Dec 26 15:51:10 i'm pleased to be able to pass it on to someone who can get some entertainment out of it :) Dec 26 15:51:22 tomcatek, and give us debug info :P Dec 26 15:51:42 I can test shr on my gta02 Dec 26 15:51:46 but I don't have a gta01 :P Dec 26 15:52:11 TAsn: I'm using SHR unstable on my FR :] Dec 26 15:53:21 but on the FR it works Dec 26 15:53:28 on the gta01 it doesn't. Dec 26 15:53:55 as long as you test shr on the gta01 you got my vote :P Dec 26 15:54:20 I'll try to have it working Dec 26 15:55:20 hopefully we'll manage to solve all the problems :] Dec 26 17:10:18 tomcatek, I have your address now: I'll mail it to you next week sometime. Thanks for volunteering to take care of it :) Dec 26 17:11:19 tomcatek: congratulations getting a new toy :) Dec 26 17:11:29 tonyg: and thanks for caring about the project :) Dec 26 17:11:58 I've already got gta01, it's sitting here neatly, fully prepared for current consumption measurements. Dec 26 17:14:10 are you guys all loaded w/ debug boards? Dec 26 17:14:28 i still have a couple spare, so if anyone needs one for serious work, drop me a mail Dec 26 17:14:29 mickey|bDayFlu: not me, i use DIY uart-usb converter soldered to the pads. Dec 26 17:14:41 heh, hacky Dec 26 17:15:06 mickey|bDayFlu: seems you're ill atm, i wish you to recover fully in the best optimized way :) Dec 26 17:15:16 thanks, ya, feeling lousy Dec 26 17:16:59 hey guys, i have a problem here. Got my fr last week and iam unable to get hackable1 on it. Tried the quick start and installation guide. didnt work for me Dec 26 17:17:36 also i am unable to boot from usb or fat/ext2 on the fr... Dec 26 17:17:37 Chckdsk: no h1 experts here but if you describe your problem in a more detailed way somebody'll help most probably. Dec 26 17:18:35 mickey|bDayFlu: Get well soon! Dec 26 17:19:00 thanks SpeedEvil Dec 26 17:19:44 SpeedEvil: how's your n900? I saw one in a shop recently and i thought "man that's small". Dec 26 17:20:38 SpeedEvil: are you following the ofono development? Do they already have something working for it? Dec 26 17:20:58 If yes, that would probably help to get a nice target for fso. Dec 26 17:21:29 Alright let start with the fist problem then: If i want to boot from usb on the fr i open the uboot menu go to boot from usb, in about 5 seconds it shows me press (AUX) to return to menu and after 5 seconds it automaticly goes to the uboot menu Dec 26 17:21:31 PaulFertser: Very shiny. Dec 26 17:22:24 PaulFertser: I'm doing too much boring house stuff - installing insulation and ... at the moment to be deeply hacking it. I'm unsure about the state of other OSs on it - Mer isn't really up yet. Dec 26 17:22:45 Chckdsk: boot from usb? wtf? Dec 26 17:23:03 PaulFertser: But was an excuse to go on a diet, to afford it. (down 12kg so far) Dec 26 17:23:25 SpeedEvil: wow, that sounds like an accomplishment, indeed. Congratulations! Dec 26 17:23:48 Aiming for ~-25kg total. Dec 26 17:23:50 SpeedEvil: (deeply hacking) maemo is a miserable community :| Dec 26 17:24:09 PaulFertser: I'm unsure. It has deep structural problems. Dec 26 17:24:11 iam sorry, set console to usb lol Dec 26 17:24:19 Chckdsk: why do you want to do that? Dec 26 17:24:47 it was stated in the h:1 install manual Dec 26 17:25:02 Chckdsk: do you want to modify u-boot menu or what? Dec 26 17:25:22 so i could change the setting that it wil boot from sd by default Dec 26 17:27:23 Chckdsk: i thought u-boot has console over usb without any additional actions, are you sure it's not there? Dec 26 17:27:59 Chckdsk: also it's supposed that if you use u-boot you're advanced user with special requirements, therefore you should be able to read u-boot manual and troubleshoot yourself. Dec 26 17:29:51 PaulFertser: I followed this steps http://www.hackable1.org/wiki/DefaultBoot Dec 26 17:30:19 Chckdsk: so? Dec 26 17:32:00 the only thing i need to do is change the uboot setting to boot directly fron the sd card, nothing more than that Dec 26 17:32:26 so why do i have too be an advanced user for? Dec 26 17:32:31 Chckdsk: why do not you boot manually and change the environment with some userspace tool? Dec 26 17:32:34 only for that? Dec 26 17:32:41 Chckdsk: for messing with u-boot. Dec 26 17:33:29 Chckdsk: Qi is supposed to be clean, clear and reliable solution that doesn't require any special actions and is easy to troubleshoot. u-boot is a complex bootloader aimed at embedded developers. Feel the difference. Dec 26 17:35:06 I will try to install Qi then Dec 26 17:35:18 thnx for your help :) Dec 26 17:36:08 Chckdsk: if you want to report any Qi bug be my guest Dec 26 18:22:38 Hi there, I have two problems with Openmoko... the first is that I Can't connect my openmoko to laptop Dec 26 18:23:07 jpablo: more specifics are needed to even start thinking about your problem Dec 26 18:23:09 and the second is that the screen of the phone is white... Dec 26 18:24:08 PaulFertser: I tried with dfu-util --list Dec 26 18:24:28 dfu-utils is for time, when uboot loaded Dec 26 18:24:41 as for white screen - you need reboot Dec 26 18:25:08 But I cant to see the options... the screen is white fully Dec 26 18:25:52 jpablo: dfu-util will show you the device when it's in the dfu mode. Dec 26 18:26:05 jpablo: you do not need to see or press anything to have that. Dec 26 18:26:24 jpablo: i suggest using dfu-util with NOR u-boot alway. Dec 26 18:27:32 Ok, but I Cant to see the options in the boot because the screen of the phone is white Dec 26 18:29:14 I tried with reboot but the white screen no disappear Dec 26 18:29:40 jpablo: do you mean that cold boot to nor u-boot gives you white screen? Dec 26 18:30:09 yes Dec 26 18:31:16 I tried start the phone but the screen is white Dec 26 18:33:12 jpablo: to nor u-boot? Dec 26 18:35:06 no way Dec 26 18:35:26 jpablo: defective unit. Dec 26 18:36:01 jpablo: try reattaching the LCM. Dec 26 18:36:05 :( Dec 26 18:37:18 jpablo: did this device ever work? Dec 26 18:38:29 The phone was working yesterday Dec 26 18:39:07 but, is no possible with commands to know the problem? Dec 26 18:41:03 jpablo: you say it doesn't show anything even when you try to nor u-boot. Dec 26 18:41:41 jpablo: if it otherwise worked (i.e. a PC would recognise it) i'd say loose LCM connector. You say it doesn't work. I've no idea whatsover what it can be. Dec 26 18:45:50 Can I show you a photo? My English language is no fine Dec 26 18:51:38 jpablo: you can show me a photo. Alas i'm not sure it can change anything :( Dec 26 18:52:53 I need be sure that the openmoko is dead Dec 26 18:52:55 :( Dec 26 18:53:07 jpablo: i can't tell you for sure by looking at a photo. Dec 26 18:53:44 jpablo: you need to make sure you try to boot to NOR (and you should confirm it worked before), you need to make sure PC doesn't see your FR at all etc. Dec 26 18:58:43 Ok PaulFertser I'm Looking for the err and I'll come back Dec 26 18:58:47 thanks Dec 26 18:59:05 jpablo: np Dec 26 20:30:02 For first time how long should battery be charged ? Dec 26 20:31:23 and is it better FR be turned off Dec 26 20:34:08 ? Dec 26 20:34:54 FR not charging when it off Dec 26 20:38:35 so maybe it is better to be in suspend mode max_posedon Dec 26 20:38:54 and what is default OS in A7 phones ? Dec 26 20:39:14 and how long should it be charged to be full ? Dec 26 20:47:51 any opinion? Dec 26 20:48:34 its can't charge in suspend too Dec 26 20:49:33 How long should FR battery be charged to be full Dec 26 20:49:36 ? Dec 26 20:50:15 until full, few hours I think) Dec 26 20:50:19 alabd: on the mains charger, it takes about 90 mins. on a USB socket at 500 mA, about 3-4 hours ish Dec 26 20:50:40 depending a lot on Stuff. PaulFertser/DocScrutinizer will know better for sure Dec 26 20:51:03 hmm? Dec 26 20:51:50 DocScrutinizer51: time taken to charge to full (from empty or near empty I guess) on mains or USB charger Dec 26 20:51:51 fr charges when off Dec 26 20:52:10 at least when suspended for sure Dec 26 20:52:52 DocScrutinizer51: how to identify OS Dec 26 20:53:15 rule of thumb 2h with wallwart. 4h with usb Dec 26 20:53:47 alabd: err. depends on OS Dec 26 20:54:09 how to know which os is installed default DocScrutinizer51 Dec 26 20:54:24 there is an installer indicator Dec 26 20:54:24 usually there is a number of files /etc/*version* Dec 26 20:55:51 after loading OS desktop shows 5 icon , setting , contacts , messages , ... Dec 26 20:56:01 how to go to etc Dec 26 20:57:29 DocScrutinizer51: and will be charger disconnect automoticaly while batter is full ? Dec 26 20:58:03 alabd: in the way you suggest here. yes it will Dec 26 20:58:44 battery* Dec 26 20:59:39 which way DocScrutinizer51 ? Dec 26 21:00:11 alabd: it won't over-charge Dec 26 21:00:32 alabd: the PMU (power management unit) chip takes care of battery charging. It works autonomously Dec 26 21:01:30 DocScrutinizer51: Weiss what is OS ? Dec 26 21:02:01 dunno. you need to tell from bootscreen or theme Dec 26 21:02:12 alabd: don't know what the FR ships with at the moment, but you should consider flashing SHR - then you know what you have installed (and also that you're up to date) Dec 26 21:02:58 it still ships with OMxx.2008 I guess Dec 26 21:03:32 (consider) yes exactly Dec 26 21:03:44 DocScrutinizer51: after loading OS , desktop apears with 5 icons Dec 26 21:04:17 setting , contacts , sudok , messages , another one . Dec 26 21:04:29 with a black wallpaper Dec 26 21:04:50 terminal? Dec 26 21:05:15 it is GUI DocScrutinizer51 Dec 26 21:05:25 no terminal icon Dec 26 21:05:54 sorry I have no idea Dec 26 21:06:24 and how to know if FR has been used befor ? Dec 26 21:07:31 alabd: did you buy second-hand? Dec 26 21:07:42 no Dec 26 21:08:10 Weiss: do you know anything about resume reason stuff in kernel? ;) Dec 26 21:08:27 lindi-: no Dec 26 21:10:23 er? ;) Dec 26 21:11:09 alabd: you can use my bq27k-detail script to read out how many charge cycles battery has seen Dec 26 21:11:32 where is it ? Dec 26 21:12:12 people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery Dec 26 21:12:20 or similar Dec 26 21:13:58 lindi-: not really.. what about it? Dec 26 21:14:04 DocScrutinizer51: is there any way to test cellphone itself Dec 26 21:16:12 alabd: also all FR come with a screen cover packagig (shipping protector foil) Dec 26 21:18:08 DocScrutinizer51: that exists but not 100% fresh Dec 26 21:18:18 alabd: what's your problem?? Dec 26 21:18:41 DocScrutinizer51: it's required if it has been used before or not Dec 26 21:19:09 I can't help with religious issues Dec 26 21:19:21 DocScrutinizer51: FR has been arrived here tonight from europ into home Dec 26 21:19:28 here Dec 26 21:20:13 hi Dec 26 21:20:30 Weiss: if i turn GSM off, put the phone to suspend and wake it up with power button then /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-resume.0/resume_reason contains "* EINT01_GSM" Dec 26 21:20:49 interesting.. Dec 26 21:22:40 DocScrutinizer51: for example how to FR build date Dec 26 21:22:41 lindi-: aiui resume_reason is a parameter passed from BL to kernel Dec 26 21:23:18 alabd: build date is on dtecode under battery Dec 26 21:23:35 DocScrutinizer51: there are two resume_reason files, which one? Dec 26 21:23:56 neo 1973 bootloader u-boot 1.3.2 moko12 , doc Dec 26 21:24:07 DocScrutinizer51: what is OS? Dec 26 21:24:47 lindi-: both together give detailed resume reason Dec 26 21:25:00 DocScrutinizer51: yes but are both filled completely by boot loader? Dec 26 21:25:10 alabd: I do not know Dec 26 21:25:27 moko12 ? Dec 26 21:25:40 not sure, lini. probabaly yes Dec 26 21:26:54 alabd: that's bootloader Dec 26 21:27:19 as you can read in that line you quoted Dec 26 21:27:37 DocScrutinizer51: pcf50633-core.c reads them from some pcf_int[] array which it read from somewhere using i2c_smbus_read_i2c_block_data Dec 26 21:28:33 ok. so the PMU details are read in kernel. but SoC reason is from BL Dec 26 21:31:33 drivers/misc/neo1973_pm_resume_reason.c reads them from something that is gstatus4_mapped = ioremap(0x560000BC /* GSTATUS4 */, 0x4); Dec 26 21:32:09 DocScrutinizer51: is that some memory location that boot loader is supposed to update? Dec 26 21:32:50 lindi-: I told you roundabout as much as I've heard Dec 26 21:35:02 lindi-: and as all our OS crap gives a shit on resume reason so far, I'd not be surprised to find issues there - especially with Qi Dec 26 21:35:45 DocScrutinizer51: yes qi in this case Dec 26 21:37:09 this part of the code seems to be all in assembler Dec 26 21:39:40 lindi-: maybe it's put there by the SoC automatically? Dec 26 21:39:55 into GSTATUS4 I mean Dec 26 21:40:36 Weiss: but i don't have EINT01_GSM in resume_reason if gsm is running and I resume with power button Dec 26 21:40:52 Weiss: so it's clearly not always putting it there Dec 26 21:46:13 DocScrutinizer51: time stamp is dec 2008 Dec 26 21:46:28 lindi-: or perhaps it's being interpreted differently? (maybe take a look at the number in GSTATUS4 and see if it's really different in the two cases?) Dec 26 21:47:06 and battery indicator shows 1:45 , what is compete time ? Dec 26 21:49:09 Weiss: reading the code of Qi I can't even figure out how resume reason could ever be EINT09_PMU :P Dec 26 21:49:24 alabd: I really recommend just making your own choice of distro then flashing that, and not worrying about the small chance that it's been used before - it's too difficult to tell until you know your way around the system. Dec 26 21:49:57 ah, that would comver from some EINTPEND thing Dec 26 21:50:24 and the first four reasons are read from some SRCPND at 0x4A000000 Dec 26 21:50:34 alabd: with SHR, the power button LED will turn blue when it's fully charged. I don't know if the older software you have will do that, though Dec 26 21:50:44 weiss what do you mean of you know your way around the system. ? Dec 26 21:50:48 nothing in Qi writes to SRCPND Dec 26 21:50:54 alabd: if it's been plugged in for a few hours it's almost certainly fully charged.. Dec 26 21:51:08 lindi-: on resume modem usually has a defined state. On power up there may be artifacts on IRQ line. Usually BL should see it's a power up which can't be triggered by anything but PMU. So modem should be filtered Dec 26 21:51:19 alabd: I mean until you're familiar with SSHing into the phone, what files are kept where, what the different distros look like, and so on Dec 26 21:52:14 DocScrutinizer51: to see that Qi needs to know how to see if GSM has power or not? Dec 26 21:54:14 lindi-: aiui BL knows if that's a resume or a powerup. No need to *know* about gsm Dec 26 21:54:29 Weiss: how long does u'r FR work after fulling battery charge Dec 26 21:55:58 alabd: mine lasts for 24-36 hours or so on standby, or 3-5 hours or so with the screen on (e.g. using GPS). I haven't really measured though Dec 26 21:56:57 Weiss: I asked alabd what's his problem. Answer was "need to know it's used or not". That's clearly a 'metaphysical' problem and I really refuse to advice on ways to sort that out Dec 26 21:58:30 hehe :) Dec 26 22:01:54 thanks anyway Dec 26 22:02:42 DocScrutinizer51: but this is resume Dec 26 22:02:49 DocScrutinizer51: not powerup Dec 26 22:02:52 ooh Dec 26 22:03:06 DocScrutinizer51: resume by power button and GSM is off => resume_reason says "both GSM and button" Dec 26 22:03:08 so scratch my comments Dec 26 22:03:23 s3c2440 docs say service routine must clear the Dec 26 22:03:26 pending condition by writing a 1 to the corresponding bit in the SRCPND register first Dec 26 22:03:45 still could be artifact from modem powered down Dec 26 22:03:49 DocScrutinizer51: yes Dec 26 22:04:04 shouldn't it write "0" to clear the condition? ;) Dec 26 22:04:56 dunno Dec 26 22:06:20 DocScrutinizer51: I see I should have started by reading boot loader source when I first got my phone :) Dec 26 22:06:40 hehehe Dec 26 22:07:19 anyways, I need to find the code that is supposed to clear those SRCPND bits Dec 26 22:09:08 I think when gsm is shutdown, the kernel needs to disable the corresponding IRQ and WakeIRQ bits. Dec 26 22:09:38 this might not stop a latching of the state of IRQ line to some register Dec 26 22:10:02 DocScrutinizer51: I need to verify if this bug happens if I don't power GSM up at all Dec 26 22:10:30 so basically you need to make sure you don't see and report IRQ or wakereasons from subsystems that are powered down **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Dec 27 02:59:56 2009