**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Dec 27 02:59:56 2009 Dec 27 04:42:41 NeoPwn v2 Hardware (Nokia N900) Dec 27 07:23:06 Hi , Which Os can be installed on NAND memory ? android ? debian ? SHR ? QT ? which one do you advice? Dec 27 07:31:49 how to SSH into FR ? Dec 27 07:33:34 alabd, all of them can be installed on nand, but android needs sd card for storage+swap (I think) Dec 27 07:33:42 qt also needs sd swap Dec 27 07:34:10 also, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking Dec 27 07:34:35 I like QT, but SHR testing is great Dec 27 07:35:00 it really comes down to what you're going to use your phone for Dec 27 07:35:46 badcloud1: would you explain more , which oS is more stable with more app ? Dec 27 07:36:27 debian is kind of a pain to install Dec 27 07:36:39 but it's got soooooo much software Dec 27 07:37:10 if you're a debian user, I recommend you go for it Dec 27 07:37:16 for a person that use debian/ubuntu on his home pc pain exists ? Dec 27 07:37:22 alabd: yep Dec 27 07:37:26 yes Dec 27 07:37:30 alabd: i'd suggest SHR Dec 27 07:37:38 you mean debian is completer that android ? Dec 27 07:37:49 PaulFertser: why SHR ? Dec 27 07:37:49 in which sense? Dec 27 07:37:49 alabd: i mean android is not *nix at all. Dec 27 07:37:52 You can't compare it. Dec 27 07:38:02 he's right about that Dec 27 07:38:12 alabd: it receives the largest developer attention atm. Dec 27 07:38:16 if you're a debian junky like me, go with QT Dec 27 07:38:34 otherwise, shr is just fine Dec 27 07:38:35 alabd: debian is catching up, mostly due to policies requiring stabilising packages etc. Dec 27 07:39:00 QT is debian based Dec 27 07:39:16 alabd: and yes, qtmoko might be a solution but it's not interesting from a developer pov and it doesn't receive much attention from major devs. Dec 27 07:39:17 they have an FSO based one, but I don't think it's usable yet Dec 27 07:39:18 ok PaulFertser it can be connected to laptop internet Dec 27 07:39:38 alabd: anything can Dec 27 07:39:50 alabd, right. if you're not a dev, you'll be bored with QT Dec 27 07:39:50 badcloud1: debian was using fso from the start, it always worked. Dec 27 07:40:10 PaulFertser, I was unaware about that Dec 27 07:40:22 I just remember seeing that the FSO based image wasn't stable Dec 27 07:40:25 badcloud1: everyone will be bored with QT, especially if one is a dev, imho. Dec 27 07:40:31 badcloud1: debian doesn't provide images. Dec 27 07:40:45 being an end-user, bored is fine Dec 27 07:40:57 PaulFertser: images ? Dec 27 07:41:09 debian based *QT* Dec 27 07:41:18 not debian image Dec 27 07:41:32 badcloud1: come on, stop doing that, it's not QT the slightest! Dec 27 07:41:50 PaulFertser, what are you on about? Dec 27 07:41:52 badcloud1: It's Qtopia aka QtExtended derived fork. Dec 27 07:42:00 badcloud1: not the same thing at all, it's not Qt. Dec 27 07:42:04 sorry, I meant qtmoko Dec 27 07:42:06 my bad Dec 27 07:42:22 badcloud1: and yes, qtmoko is qtopia fork on top of debian. Dec 27 07:42:23 I just woke up Dec 27 07:42:29 badcloud1: hehe, good morning then :) Dec 27 07:42:33 anyway PaulFertser are agree with debian ? Dec 27 07:42:33 mornin Dec 27 07:42:52 :P Dec 27 07:42:58 badcloud1 says debian has more app Dec 27 07:43:17 alabd: i agree debian is painful on FR, i'm considering to finally flash SHR to nand and to use debian in chroot since i'm not participating in an active development lately. Dec 27 07:44:15 alabd, don't forget that most of those apps are meant for desktop Dec 27 07:44:20 see regard to humble use debian /ubuntu on home pc and know enough them , will it be painful , if yes why ? Dec 27 07:44:48 the install script hasn't been working well lately Dec 27 07:44:53 alabd: because debian ships old version of FSO and various telephony apps, just that. Dec 27 07:45:18 badcloud1: install script is not an issue. Debootstrapping is never a big deal. Dec 27 07:45:27 that's nice to know Dec 27 07:45:58 PaulFertser: you mean that cause of it's apps are old it would be painful ? Dec 27 07:46:02 alabd: i mean debian is cool but to get reliable telephony support you either need to go very custom route like lindi-'s or compile a lot from scratch. Dec 27 07:46:23 couldn't he install qtmoko and remove the qtopia x layer? Dec 27 07:46:31 badcloud1: why? Dec 27 07:46:48 PaulFertser, less steps than installing debian from scratch Dec 27 07:46:56 badcloud1: meh :-/ Dec 27 07:47:22 and debian and SHR can be installed without SD card ? Dec 27 07:47:35 alabd: i wouldn't recommend trying debian on NAND Dec 27 07:47:39 ditto Dec 27 07:47:47 alabd: NAND is too limited (space constraints). Dec 27 07:47:49 nand is 256 ? Dec 27 07:47:56 alabd: yes Dec 27 07:48:12 how about that 128 one what is it ? Dec 27 07:48:51 bbl some minutes Dec 27 08:00:39 ok PaulFertser now how to flash ? Dec 27 08:01:14 here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing Dec 27 08:01:23 has adviced a command fisrt Dec 27 08:01:33 but now this os has not terminal Dec 27 08:01:41 alabd: on that page there're precise and full instructions Dec 27 08:02:10 alabd: you do not need to determine current version of gsm firmware, just flash the latest unconditionally. Dec 27 08:03:32 it's boot loader u-boot 1.3.2 moko 12 Dec 27 08:03:57 maye be it's firmware is uptodate PaulFertser ? Dec 27 08:04:15 alabd: u-boot version doesn't matter Dec 27 08:05:23 and before flashing new fm , how to undestanf if phone has been used before or not Dec 27 08:05:56 alabd: i think you can't Dec 27 08:05:57 at buttom of box is written 10.2009 = date code Dec 27 08:06:13 but in phone says dec 2008 Dec 27 08:06:59 lat night DocScrutinizer gave a script here http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/bq27k-detail for battery ... Dec 27 08:07:20 but in this OS there is not place to run script Dec 27 08:09:37 anyway PaulFertser to flash should humble use uSD method ? Dec 27 08:10:47 alabd: to flash gsm firmware you should use usd method, right Dec 27 08:12:16 what is moko 11 ? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing#moko11 Dec 27 08:12:32 alabd: the latest firmware version Dec 27 08:12:47 moko TWELFE???? WTF?? Dec 27 08:13:13 DocScrutinizer51: hey Doc :) Dec 27 08:15:41 hi DocScrutinizer51 , any other way except that battery script to know wether fr has been used or not Dec 27 08:16:08 at buttom of box is written 10.2009 = date code , but in phone says dec 2008 Dec 27 08:16:47 what???? datecode 10/2009??? Dec 27 08:16:53 alabd: the battery script can show only if battery was used or not, not the whole device. Dec 27 08:17:30 PaulFertser: yes that is why DocScrutinizer51 has been asked for another way Dec 27 08:17:43 PaulFertser: what is uSD ? Dec 27 08:17:50 NAND ? Dec 27 08:18:33 I won't support a mere academic "has it been used?". Dec 27 08:18:42 PaulFertser: it is usb SD external card but Dec 27 08:20:10 225702 Weiss: I asked alabd what's his problem. Answer was "need to know it's used or not". That's clearly a 'metaphysical' problem and I really refuse to advice on ways to sort that out Dec 27 08:22:26 PaulFertser: what does DocScrutinizer51 mean ? Dec 27 08:24:23 in this way http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing#uSD-card_Image_.28GTA02_only.29 do we need an external sd card ? what should be done if it is not available ? Dec 27 08:28:00 a problem occured , while usb cable from fr was connected to PC , after rebooting FR , FR did not boot and that openmoko word is standing on screen Dec 27 08:30:20 alabd: uSD means microSD Dec 27 08:30:38 alabd: NAND is a type of flash memory, FR is equipped with that internally. Dec 27 08:31:43 have you seen this problem ? a problem occured , while usb cable from fr was connected to PC , after rebooting FR , FR did not boot and that openmoko word is standing on screen Dec 27 08:32:13 alabd: who cares about some unknown version of an unknown distro not booting? Dec 27 08:33:04 ok yes Dec 27 08:43:38 PaulFertser: Dec 27 08:43:53 IroN900:~# pnatd Dec 27 08:44:22 atd091130838545 Dec 27 08:45:13 ERROR Dec 27 08:45:37 o.O ??!? Dec 27 08:57:22 DocScrutinizer51: hm, try other commands then :) Dec 27 08:57:40 other cmd work Dec 27 09:39:39 is there any way to trigger a script/command off an incoming call event? - I want to be able to issue a 'killall tangogps' as I almost Dec 27 09:39:58 always get a crash when tango is full screen and a call comes in. Dec 27 09:42:55 BillK_: have You tried to kill tangogps using power button? Dec 27 09:55:37 tomcatek: killed the phone ui instead :( Dec 27 09:56:22 tomcatek: tango and the phone ui fight for top of the window stack, and you can sometimes get control, but usually you lose the call Dec 27 09:56:44 tomcatek: simplest I think is to just kill the tango process ... Dec 27 09:57:23 tomcatek: this is with tango in full screen mode, non-full screen is ok. Dec 27 10:20:12 BillK_: that clearly is a severy bug. please open a ticket Dec 27 10:20:44 s/ry /re / Dec 27 10:20:45 DocScrutinizer51 meant: BillK_: that clearly is a severe bug. please open a ticket Dec 27 10:22:52 burrp Dec 27 10:22:57 DocScrutinizer51: docz! Dec 27 10:24:25 raster: fluituri te salutant Dec 27 10:24:54 DocScrutinizer51: pants Dec 27 10:26:15 DocScrutinizer51: ok, in an hour or so (tea time here) - shr trac I presume? Dec 27 10:27:22 think raster is a competent person for this bug Dec 27 10:28:06 me? competent? hahhahahahaahahhahaha Dec 27 10:46:25 tzz. Raster shy? that's new Dec 27 12:00:03 Is it possible to flash a image (say SHR), ssh to the system, remove som packages, change som settings and then retrive a new image (for later flashing) from the phone ? Dec 27 12:01:29 you can use neotool to create an image of your current setup Dec 27 12:01:49 it can make jffs2 and tar backups Dec 27 12:03:53 i believe it uses tar cat ssh and a loop back file system to create an image Dec 27 12:05:33 dns53: thanks, i'll take a look Dec 27 12:21:20 If Gsm firmware be Moko12 will it require upgarde also ? Dec 27 12:22:13 alabd: it doesn't seem likely moko12 will ever be made. Dec 27 12:23:21 but system info in this OS shows u-boot 1.3.2 MOKO12 Dec 27 12:24:00 u-boot does not show the GSM firmware Dec 27 12:24:05 alabd: uboot and gsm firmware version are completeley unrelated Dec 27 12:24:07 moko12 is the u-boot version here Dec 27 12:24:44 no that is system info line that include Dec 27 12:25:20 no i seems that is u-boot version Dec 27 12:25:21 thanks Dec 27 12:27:56 PaulFertser: so you advice manual way or usd way ? Dec 27 12:28:09 alabd: usd Dec 27 12:30:40 PaulFertser: there is written > Insert a uSD to your computer's reader Dec 27 12:31:02 nand memory should be mounted here as usd right ? Dec 27 12:31:34 what is nand memory nodlink in linux ? Dec 27 12:31:55 alabd: nand memory is inside fr Dec 27 12:32:06 yes Dec 27 12:32:20 should not it be mounted ? Dec 27 12:32:44 alabd: when you do gsm firmware flashing you boot from usd and do not worry about nand. Dec 27 12:33:28 DocScrutinizer51/raster: http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/829 Dec 27 12:33:46 you have told that nand is kinda usd or not ? PaulFertser ? Dec 27 12:34:29 here fr has not any SD card Dec 27 12:35:10 and should gsm-fw be flashed to Sd card only ? Dec 27 12:38:07 alabd: if you do not have any usd, the only way to flash gsm firmware is the manual method. Dec 27 12:38:35 alabd: probably you should install shr first to find out if gsm firmware needs upgrading or not, i assumed you have usd. Dec 27 12:39:02 so usd = sd card Dec 27 12:39:48 alabd: sure Dec 27 12:39:53 maybe we can use nand for gsm-fw ? Dec 27 12:40:34 any physical differnece between nand and usd ? Dec 27 12:40:46 or must it be usd ? Dec 27 12:42:41 alabd: a openmoko is delivered w. a small usd card, it should be fittet behind the sim-card in the phone. you can upgrade the gsm-fw simply by booting the phone from usd, or you can boot from nand (where the normal phone oeprating system is stored) and flash the gsm manually Dec 27 12:43:04 alabd: you can use the manual upgrading method without any usd card. Dec 27 12:47:56 Kagee: no it's not in package Dec 27 12:49:14 alabd: I *strongly* suggest you proceed as PaulFertser said. And get a uSD *if* you need GSM FW update. Honestly I think your skills prohibit usage of manual method Dec 27 12:49:40 DocScrutinizer51: dont worry Dec 27 12:50:07 alabd: (as PaulFertser ...) that is: install SHR, check for Gsm FW version Dec 27 12:50:25 alabd: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MicroSD <<-- you did not get a card like that? (not 8GB, but 512 MB) ? And it is not inserted in your phone (behind the battery and sim-card?) Dec 27 12:52:02 Kagee: no Dec 27 12:52:51 strange Dec 27 12:53:15 then i suggest you buy one. Dec 27 12:54:56 Kagee: PaulFertser DocScrutinizer51 to flashing android + debian + SHR + other usful Os's on FR , 4 GIG memory is enough ? Dec 27 12:56:21 alabd: no idea about android, that's really strange kind of os. Dec 27 12:56:39 alabd: i'd recommend 8gb anyway, price difference is minimal. Dec 27 12:57:04 android must the flashed to nand, and requires a sd-card to be avalible as well. Dec 27 12:57:24 android will occupy whole device aiui Dec 27 12:57:50 aiui ? Dec 27 12:58:17 ~wtf aiui Dec 27 12:58:19 kagee do you mean android must be flashed to nand only ? Dec 27 12:58:20 AIUI: as I understand it Dec 27 12:59:15 android needs NAND *and* uSD Dec 27 12:59:45 so it's pretty mutually exclusive with a 'decent' OS Dec 27 13:00:00 AIUI ;-P Dec 27 13:00:04 alabd: yes. android can only be flashed to nand, as android wont work if it cant find a (empty?) sd card Dec 27 13:02:27 alabd: why bother to install a quad-boot system? Honestly, trying just *one* decent OS (I suggest SHR) you make your live much easier for the startup Dec 27 13:04:00 also *please* ignore Qi bootloader for now. It has obsolutely NO mandatory feature for beginners Dec 27 13:04:30 so kagee as you said annad for android and debian + SHR + others maybe Dec 27 13:04:41 DocScrutinizer51: to have debian Dec 27 13:05:44 so kagee as you said NAND for android and debian + SHR + others maybe on 4 gig , is enoughe yeah ? Dec 27 13:06:23 * DocScrutinizer51 sighs and shrugs Dec 27 13:07:15 Well, yes - a 4 gig card could hold all those. I do not understand you you want to have multiple systems on 1 card. Why not only try one system, and overwrite is you want to try another? You will probalby end on SHR in the end, anyway. Dec 27 13:08:06 no debian can be used with it's desktop apps Dec 27 13:09:03 yes it can. but it will probably be slow Dec 27 13:15:57 I've just flashed Dec 27 13:18:49 shr-testing is supposed to boot, right? or are there any "stable"-images? Dec 27 13:19:56 Kagee: testing should boot Dec 27 13:21:48 it appears mine stop at "JFFS2 warning (445) jffs2_do_read_inode_internal" Dec 27 13:22:03 It stops or it is using a _long_ time to continue Dec 27 13:30:51 Kagee: could actually take a very long while Dec 27 13:31:18 10 minutes? Dec 27 13:32:00 Kagee: but usually that means something with flashing went wrong on NAND. Or your NAND is actually wearing Dec 27 13:33:03 hmm, i've tried reflashing once Dec 27 13:33:09 Kagee: is that after a fresh flashing of NAND? Dec 27 13:33:50 yes Dec 27 13:34:25 twice. It reacts when i insert the usb (g_ether and 500ma charge), but does not continues Dec 27 13:34:58 have you checked the download for correctness Dec 27 13:35:01 ? Dec 27 13:35:41 no. that is probably a good idea. Dec 27 13:36:01 i'll do that before i flash again Dec 27 13:41:51 thanks bbl 1-2 hours Dec 27 15:01:55 hi, anyone knows if freerunner/glamo is capable of doing framebuffer hardware rotation? Dec 27 15:15:38 radekp: larsc should know for sure, raster too :) Dec 27 15:15:42 radekp: and Weiss Dec 27 15:16:22 PaulFertser: thanks, should i ping them somehow? ;-) Dec 27 15:17:14 radekp: they're already pinged i assume. Dec 27 15:17:15 :) Dec 27 15:17:24 oki :) Dec 27 15:17:43 btw any1 has luck with 2.6.32 & suspend/resume? Dec 27 15:17:58 radekp: not yet i'm afraid Dec 27 15:18:09 mine seems to suspend but never resumed Dec 27 15:19:00 radekp: i assumed larsc was on it since he has both skills and debug board. Probably lacking time though since i do not think i've heard any success reports from him :( Dec 27 15:19:26 oki Dec 27 15:20:12 oterwise 2.6.32 looks nice - i am now porting zx-spectrum emulator and while it's a bit slow on 2.6.29 on 2.6.32 it runs flawlessly Dec 27 15:25:56 radekp: is there any work ongoing on telephony front in the qtopia world? Dec 27 15:27:15 PaulFertser: not much, for me everything it works good i think the last telephony bug (SMS issue) is now fixed Dec 27 15:28:22 so for me telephony is now OK and i am going to play with other stuff Dec 27 15:28:43 i need some good games now :) Dec 27 15:28:57 :) Dec 27 15:29:20 * radekp dreams of playing Starcraft on freerunner Dec 27 15:29:56 radekp: that would be hard ;) Dec 27 15:30:01 radekp: i see. It basically proves my point that qtopia is not (and never was) anything interesting for those who want to do "advanced" tricks like scheduling custom sms messages, doing tricky rules for ringing/answering/declining calls etc etc. Dec 27 15:30:34 radekp: neither is it an interesting API for those who want to do alternative telephony stuff or doing GSM-voip integration and the like. Dec 27 15:31:25 yes, it's quite hardcoded to be a normal phone from my POV Dec 27 15:32:56 radekp: one of the reasons for buying a FR for me was the fact i couldn't find any cellphone (no matter dumb or smart) that had a fast and effective UI, every "normal" phone sucked so much (trying to look fancy or to flatten the learning curve or whatever)... Dec 27 15:32:57 but i am not very skilled in this area... Dec 27 15:34:37 radekp: funny thing is that i'm using my FR for over a year as the only cellphone now and i do not have neither reliability nor fast or comfortable UI. Well, life's strange. Dec 27 15:39:32 PaulFertser: you can still have hope that once it will be fast and reliable ;-) Dec 27 15:40:29 radekp: also i probably can hope for the peace in the whole world and other nice things, well, probably i should Dec 27 16:13:07 to install SHR should qi be installed ? Dec 27 16:58:49 which one of tasting and unstable do you advice for SHR ? Dec 27 17:00:03 alabd: I Dec 27 17:00:18 alabd: I'm using unstable. works dor me Dec 27 17:00:26 s\dor\for Dec 27 17:00:49 yes both works which one is free Dec 27 17:01:08 both are free Dec 27 17:05:15 sorry which one is better more stable ? Dec 27 17:05:53 do their software have big difference ? Dec 27 17:06:47 You can try both Dec 27 17:18:05 tomcatek: to install SHR are these files enoghe to be download ? http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20091204-om-gta02-testlab/ Dec 27 17:18:36 alabd: /topic Dec 27 17:19:01 what do you mean Dec 27 17:20:12 read the topic. all needed info is in there. and on SHR wiki Dec 27 17:26:59 tomcatek: in wiki is written :For the GTA02 Neo FreeRunner you need to download the images of the testing line: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/ Dec 27 17:28:50 alabd: You need Uimage*.bin and full*.jffs Dec 27 17:28:56 2 Dec 27 17:29:02 the latest files Dec 27 17:29:06 probably Dec 27 17:30:01 and NAND memory is enough for full images? Dec 27 17:30:18 yes Dec 27 17:31:21 installed applications are the only diference between full and lite images Dec 27 17:32:37 what are those images exactly for ? Dec 27 17:33:29 uboot is uboot, and jffs2 is filesystem Dec 27 17:34:22 see ind desktop linuxs there are many packages in a repository , how about there ? Dec 27 17:34:27 where are packages? Dec 27 17:34:56 opkg Dec 27 17:35:58 opkg ? where is it ? Dec 27 17:37:04 for example latest full images are these DIR and files yes ? http://pastebin.com/m2e4d1337 Dec 27 17:37:21 sorry, but rtfm Dec 27 17:38:21 all is written on the wiki Dec 27 17:38:29 humble told you in wiki is written Dec 27 17:38:33 tomcatek: in wiki is written :For the GTA02 Neo FreeRunner you need to download the images of the testing line: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/ Dec 27 17:38:54 there for latest full images we see http://pastebin.com/m2e4d1337 these Dec 27 17:39:09 all are required to be downloaded ?all images ? Dec 27 17:40:56 here are 6 files and 1 dir http://pastebin.com/m2e4d1337 , should all contents be downloaded ? Dec 27 17:42:03 any opinion ? Dec 27 18:08:18 does these 2 file do the same work or both are needed to installing shr ? http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/full-om-gta02.jffs2 and http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20091204-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 Dec 27 18:17:29 I would like to cheate a dvorak layout for fren Dec 27 18:17:51 french keyboard on shr, any link to tell how to package it Dec 27 18:18:31 I found the procedure to create it but nothing about packaging Dec 27 18:31:34 quick question, can i easily host an opkg repository on a simple web host? Dec 27 18:31:47 and is there a guide somewhere to doing it? Dec 27 18:31:53 i have an ipkg to publish Dec 27 18:31:57 ipx Dec 27 18:32:01 ipk sorry Dec 27 18:32:24 oh and merry xmas, and thanks for the shr-testing that i just upgraded to :-D Dec 27 18:51:29 http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Setting_Up_A_Feed perhaps Dec 27 19:14:56 tim_abell: thttpd is ok to serve a repo. And you need to generate Packages.gz or index or something like that to make .ipk collection a real repo. Just that. Dec 27 19:52:06 hi Dec 27 19:52:26 is the Freerunner accelerometer stuff in a library.. i don't have a freerunner, but i'm interested in it Dec 27 19:52:34 i'm considering porting something Dec 27 19:52:43 wow Dec 27 19:52:49 ? Dec 27 19:52:55 LuciusMare: what's making you wow? Dec 27 19:53:44 such a big channel Dec 27 19:55:02 more than #gnu Dec 27 19:55:14 not as much as #ubuntu Dec 27 19:55:37 heh Dec 27 19:55:41 #ubuntu is the biggest chan Dec 27 19:55:44 yup Dec 27 19:55:48 going into the thousands Dec 27 19:55:54 mostly just people asking how to burn an ISO Dec 27 19:55:57 >.< Dec 27 19:56:01 heh Dec 27 19:56:40 i go there and ask my general linux questions,same as i use ubuntu forum Dec 27 19:56:49 same Dec 27 19:56:54 :) Dec 27 19:57:41 i go to #gnu to ask my GNU questions (or just talk about free software), go to #kernel to ask about Linux, and then #ubuntu to ask about things that are sort of GNU/Linux, but are Ubuntu-specific Dec 27 19:57:52 or are not actual GNU or Linux packages Dec 27 19:58:10 meoblast001: g-meter stuff are regular input events interfaces. Dec 27 19:58:33 has Neverball already been ported to Freerunner? Dec 27 19:58:52 meoblast001: there's mokomaze, google for it. Dec 27 19:59:47 i was considering porting Neverball so i can get pissed off on the go Dec 27 20:11:55 In wiki has been said : Dec 27 20:11:57 For the GTA02 Neo FreeRunner you need to download the images of the: * testing line: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/ Dec 27 20:13:24 but in above page there 6 files and 1 folder for latest full image , these > http://pastebin.com/m2e4d1337 should all be downloaded ? Dec 27 20:13:37 hi Dec 27 20:13:53 hi Serdar Dec 27 20:14:30 I am trying to connect to my moko with my macbook but I fail. adb does not find any devices. Dec 27 20:14:53 hi al Dec 27 20:14:57 abd Dec 27 20:15:05 alabd I mean. Dec 27 20:15:39 humble am beginner with FR Dec 27 20:16:01 I see Dec 27 20:22:07 any opinion about which of those files should be downloaded ? Dec 27 20:22:24 mjr you here ? Dec 27 20:22:46 SpeedEvil: dont you know? Dec 27 20:23:00 maybe PaulFertser is sleep Dec 27 20:23:12 alabd: i'm not, sorry Dec 27 20:23:20 alabd: thought you've figured that out already. Dec 27 20:23:28 nop hi Dec 27 20:24:11 alabd: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20091218-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 Dec 27 20:24:17 alabd: sorry -= no cluie Dec 27 20:24:19 alabd: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.29-oe11+gitr119860+b90406de472c1aa5371ab593a2bb79136d5de658-r6-om-gta02.bin Dec 27 20:25:12 alabd: and the latest bootloader, either Qi or u-boot. No good idea where to grab the latest u-boot, Qi can be downloaded from http://downloads.openmoko.org experimental Dec 27 20:25:26 how about http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/full-om-gta02.jffs2 ? Dec 27 20:26:40 and you advice full or lite packages ? Dec 27 20:27:15 here iinternet is limited e.g 1 gig in month .. Dec 27 20:27:43 so if full is not required lite package would be download Dec 27 20:31:25 how about http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/full-om-gta02.jffs2 ? what is it's difference with jffs2 file you mentioned ? PaulFertser Dec 27 20:31:54 and how about these 3 : Dec 27 20:31:55 [ ] shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20091218-om-gta02.rootfs.ubi 18-Dec-2009 13:48 105M [ ] shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20091218-om-gta02.rootfs.ubifs 18-Dec-2009 13:48 103M [ ] shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20091218-om-gta02.ubifs.img Dec 27 20:33:57 alabd: i advice full Dec 27 20:34:21 alabd: full-om-gta02.jffs2 is a symlink i guess Dec 27 20:34:41 alabd: ubifs doesn't work. Dec 27 20:35:14 *.img ? what is it for ? shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20091218-om-gta02.ubifs.img Dec 27 20:36:11 thanks for the response PaulFertser Dec 27 20:36:20 http://www.timwise.co.uk/opkg/podpooch/ Dec 27 20:36:31 ^ my first attempt at an opkg feed Dec 27 20:36:45 alabd: you do not want ubifs Dec 27 20:36:59 and which one do you advice testing ? unstable ? is this shr ?http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing/NeoFreerunner/ Dec 27 20:37:20 humble thanks him always Dec 27 20:37:21 tim_abell: i can't really evaluate it, i lack opkg-based system here, you can simply add it to your repo list. Dec 27 20:37:38 alabd: SHR testing. The latest link is wrong for sure, it's for OM2009. Dec 27 20:37:49 i just tried it :) Dec 27 20:37:55 seems to work Dec 27 20:38:07 though i hope the enlightenment crash wasn't my fault :-S Dec 27 20:38:44 so PaulFertser humble copy all links that is require for shr installing if there is lack tell please thanks Dec 27 20:38:58 http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20091218-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 Dec 27 20:39:05 http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.29-oe11+gitr119860+b90406de472c1aa5371ab593a2bb79136d5de658-r6-om-gta02.bin Dec 27 20:39:21 oh dear i think it was! back to the drawing board Dec 27 20:39:23 http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/modules-2.6.29-oe11+gitr119860+b90406de472c1aa5371ab593a2bb79136d5de658-r6-om-gta02.tgz Dec 27 20:40:16 alabd: you do not need modules Dec 27 20:40:26 alabd: they're included in rootfs already Dec 27 20:40:35 why dont you advice this kernel ? http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin Dec 27 20:41:26 and this http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing/NeoFreerunner/qi-s3c2442-1.0.2+gitr3b8513d8b3d9615ebda605de4bda18371aa3f359.udfu for Qi ? Dec 27 20:41:26 alabd: i think it's a symlink. Dec 27 20:41:43 alabd: for Qi i would choose the one from experimental Dec 27 20:41:57 it does not matter ? Dec 27 20:42:29 and have you advice testing SHR or unstable ? Dec 27 20:43:48 and that's all Dec 27 20:44:21 thanks a lot PaulFertser Dec 27 20:45:04 alabd: i advice SHR testing Dec 27 20:45:25 thanks Dec 27 21:02:18 oh deary me, my fresh flash of shr-t didn't last long before i fubar'd it Dec 27 21:03:21 the symptoms are that the message/dialer/etc buttons and the slidey bit at the top have all gone missing Dec 27 21:03:33 even after a reboot :-/ Dec 27 21:03:52 anyone know what i might have done wrong? Dec 27 21:03:56 or how to fix it? Dec 27 21:04:10 it happened after i installed my home brew package Dec 27 21:09:08 tim_abell: probably remove ~/.e? Dec 27 21:09:35 i'll try that, ta Dec 27 21:25:20 PaulFertser, you sir, are a genius Dec 27 21:25:33 thank you very much :-) Dec 27 21:25:43 tim_abell: welcome Dec 27 21:26:11 tim_abell: and no, i'm not, not sure if it's for good or for bad. Dec 27 21:27:05 lol, we'll see Dec 27 21:27:15 i think it didn't like the space in my application name Dec 27 21:27:22 i'd called it "Pod Pooch" Dec 27 21:28:12 Pod Pooch? whats this? Dec 27 21:28:25 is there a new shr gta01 image out yet? Dec 27 21:28:51 heh, i renamed my altered version of mokopod Dec 27 21:29:04 it was getting to forked to be called mokopod Dec 27 21:29:20 /home/tim/local/tmp/surrender.m3u Dec 27 21:29:22 oops Dec 27 21:29:24 http://github.com/timabell/mokopod Dec 27 21:29:29 silly clipboard Dec 27 21:29:45 (that's chemical brothers if you were wondering) Dec 27 21:32:03 tim_abell: fyi in case you do not know, the preferred method to get your software to users is to ask SHR devs to add it to the feeds. Less problems for everybody most of the time. Dec 27 21:32:18 it's mostly for my own benefit :) Dec 27 21:32:22 others are welcome to it Dec 27 21:32:32 the feed stuff is mostly because i like a challenge Dec 27 21:32:52 and i'm starting to get my head round packaging these days so quite enjoy it Dec 27 21:34:36 but since you mention it, would any shr devs lurking here like to add the newly renamed podpooch to the feeds? Dec 27 21:34:47 :) Dec 27 21:35:04 perhaps i ought to take some screenshots and sort out a wiki page Dec 27 21:42:46 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/e7fdcb077f17534c33eea58d2b8df6ed.png Dec 27 21:42:51 screenshot :-) Dec 27 22:01:29 wiki page & screenshot. tada! http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/PodPooch Dec 27 22:25:52 PaulFertser: i've mailed the shr-dev list. ta Dec 27 22:27:42 tim_abell: :) Dec 28 00:45:01 so, are any distros actually usable for the freerunner yet? Dec 28 00:45:21 flawless call, sms and wifi Dec 28 00:45:51 shr-unstable is the best now, I think Dec 28 00:47:17 thanks, will look at it **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Dec 28 02:59:57 2009