**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 28 02:59:57 2009 Dec 28 03:42:57 hi everyone, TangoGPS 0.99.1 on SHR has strange interface with no Config button, the command "gconftool-2 -g /apps/tangogps/repos" return nothing, I can't add the googlemap repo, could anyone please help me? Dec 28 03:48:41 hackable r5 usable? Dec 28 03:49:31 someone attacked my slack Dec 28 03:51:27 what another darwin for moko? Dec 28 04:11:37 is shr testing opkg upgradeable/ Dec 28 04:11:43 ? Dec 28 04:14:57 naquan: On this version there are two arrows to slide to the config screens - same options as previous versions are there. Dec 28 04:16:42 BillK: thank you :) Dec 28 04:43:20 shouldnt the phone log come up automaticly upon resume when there are calls? Dec 28 04:43:28 on shr? Dec 28 04:44:31 ore a quick tab in the b bottom right corner where the contacts tab is? Dec 28 04:45:25 maybe remove the dialer tab because its rarely used Dec 28 04:46:06 4 tabs would still be useable Dec 28 06:41:13 Hi , Before installing SHR on FR , should instant os be removed first ? Dec 28 06:48:01 alabd: no Dec 28 06:48:07 alabd: you just flash whatever you want Dec 28 06:51:26 Should not choice consol USB be selected and then cable be connected to pc ? after these the choice does not work means consol usb des no work Dec 28 06:52:23 hi Dec 28 06:52:25 paul Dec 28 06:55:03 wait first to test # dfu-util -a -R -D Dec 28 06:56:11 ok paul Dec 28 06:56:13 Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=6, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name="USB Device Firmware Upgrade" Dec 28 06:57:52 now dfu-util -d 0x1d50:0x5119 -a rootfs -R -D full-om-gta02.jffs2 Dec 28 06:58:16 it stopped at Starting download: [# Dec 28 06:58:55 alabd: stopped like hanged? Dec 28 06:59:07 no it is going head Dec 28 06:59:35 what is it downloading ?\ Dec 28 06:59:45 alabd: rootfs _to_ FR Dec 28 07:00:11 so means download from pc .. Dec 28 07:00:43 how long does it last if it lasts more than 30 min humble go around Dec 28 07:01:29 Sorry, no idea. Dec 28 07:01:38 alabd: 10-15 min i guess Dec 28 07:01:56 maybe we can do # dfu-util -d 0x1d50:0x5119 -a kernel -R -D uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin beside Dec 28 07:01:58 ? Dec 28 07:02:02 alabd: no Dec 28 07:02:08 ok Dec 28 07:02:11 alabd: kernel flashes in less than half a minute. Dec 28 07:03:10 can not kernel be downloaded beside rootfs ?why ? Dec 28 07:03:28 alabd: it can't be done, that's how it works. Dec 28 07:21:09 ok rootfs is finished , should kernel be flashed immediatley ? Dec 28 07:21:16 PaulFertser: Dec 28 07:21:33 alabd: yes Dec 28 07:21:45 ok Dec 28 07:21:51 alabd: and the bootloader Dec 28 07:22:20 but command for qi is the same 2 Dec 28 07:22:34 alabd: same as what? Dec 28 07:22:54 # dfu-util -d 0x1d50:0x5119 -a kernel -R -D uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin Dec 28 07:23:16 should be write so : Dec 28 07:23:24 # dfu-util -d 0x1d50:0x5119 -a kernel -R -D qi.ubf Dec 28 07:24:59 alabd: no, qi should be flashed to the u-boot "partition". Dec 28 07:25:11 alabd: obviously not to the kernel Dec 28 07:25:31 yes was in wiki sorry Dec 28 07:25:32 # dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D qi-s3.udfu Dec 28 07:28:00 now usb cable be disconnected yes PaulFertser ? Dec 28 07:31:16 alabd: yes Dec 28 07:31:45 alabd: first boot can take considerable time. Dec 28 07:32:11 yes it is booting how long ? Dec 28 07:33:58 ok lanqugae page is up Dec 28 07:34:06 but what was this part ? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner#Reboot_the_FreeRunner_from_NAND Dec 28 07:35:21 PaulFertser: unfortunatley touch screen does not wrok for selecting language Dec 28 07:36:37 what should be done now , have you this problme anytime ? Dec 28 07:36:40 debian? Dec 28 07:36:44 alabd: does TS work at all atm? Dec 28 07:36:51 slaxxer: no, freshly-flashed shr-testing Dec 28 07:37:26 PaulFertser: yes it has worked until flash Dec 28 07:37:35 reboot Dec 28 07:38:31 alabd: i mean do you see mouse cursor, does it move when you touch the screen? Dec 28 07:39:29 no Dec 28 07:40:13 after reboot it is yet so slaxxer PaulFertser Dec 28 07:40:38 we stop at language selection Dec 28 07:42:04 alabd: you should probably wait until shr users wake up. Dec 28 07:43:28 ok PaulFertser am waiting but those who join can not see issue Dec 28 07:43:40 alabd: you should also check shr ML archives Dec 28 07:43:48 when will they come do you know them Dec 28 07:43:50 i did opkg upgrade 2 hours ago Dec 28 07:44:05 was going to flash Dec 28 07:44:23 and is ok now ? Dec 28 07:44:29 yes Dec 28 07:44:37 which rootfs and kernel version ? Dec 28 07:45:07 theres 1 kernel on the site Dec 28 07:45:41 maybe u have a bad .jffs2 file Dec 28 07:45:47 this yes Dec 28 07:45:48 http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.29-oe11+gitr119860+b90406de472c1aa5371ab593a2bb79136d5de658-r6-om-gta02.bin Dec 28 07:45:54 yes Dec 28 07:46:38 and rootfs Dec 28 07:46:39 shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20091218-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 Dec 28 07:46:41 used Dec 28 07:47:01 i think i have the 1211 Dec 28 07:48:10 but the 1218 image should work since its a testing image so i would redownload the file Dec 28 07:48:23 then reinstall Dec 28 07:48:30 slaxxer: i would suggest checking file hash instead of redownloading! Dec 28 07:48:36 20 minuite Dec 28 07:48:54 md5 it Dec 28 07:49:29 how to check ? for redownload should be waited until night Dec 28 07:49:45 alabd: aren't hashes published there on site? Dec 28 07:49:51 md5sum? Dec 28 07:49:56 alabd: if not, that's a bug and should be reported. Dec 28 07:51:24 testing images need md5sums Dec 28 07:52:15 PaulFertser: was not better to use http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing/NeoFreerunner/fso-paroli-image-om-gta02.jffs2 Dec 28 07:52:24 alabd: wasn't Dec 28 07:53:07 old stuff Dec 28 07:54:24 shr is doing very well Dec 28 07:55:18 android is doing very well Dec 28 07:58:35 android better than shr ? in which cases ? Dec 28 08:02:17 which one is more stable ? which one have more free app Dec 28 08:05:37 web browser is much better Dec 28 08:05:46 which android ? Dec 28 08:05:55 alabd: i would take slaxxer's words with a grain of salt ;) Dec 28 08:06:01 :) Dec 28 08:06:17 welcome Dec 28 08:06:40 to Dec 28 08:06:43 the Dec 28 08:06:50 hotel Dec 28 08:07:02 California Dec 28 08:07:41 even so android is working very well Dec 28 08:08:18 PaulFertser: why dont you like android Dec 28 08:08:25 when shr gets a good web browser Dec 28 08:09:02 same reason people on#android dont like shr Dec 28 08:09:32 which is? Dec 28 08:10:37 i use shr/addroid ,therefore shr/android is better than shr/android Dec 28 08:11:09 what ? Dec 28 08:11:58 android grabs your freerunner by the neck Dec 28 08:14:00 slaxxer: not nearly the same reason! Dec 28 08:14:17 ok so tell us Dec 28 08:14:44 slaxxer: i do not like android because it's not unix-like OS. And because it needs custom patches to the kernel. Dec 28 08:15:20 slaxxer: because it's not POSIX-compatible and i can't use just about any program, one needs to find programs specifically written for android. Dec 28 08:15:52 slaxxer: because the main goal of designing android is to sell apps from the android market, it's declared openly on android's website. Dec 28 08:15:57 Enough for a reason, eh? Dec 28 08:16:09 yup Dec 28 08:16:39 marketing strategy from hell Dec 28 09:06:19 PaulFertser: how to check file hash ? Dec 28 09:06:51 alabd: md5sum and sha1sum Dec 28 09:08:13 new SHR installed but in first booting for language setup touch screen is not ok and english language can not b selcted i this step ... any opinion ? Dec 28 09:09:14 PaulFertser: Dec 28 09:09:15 root@alabd:~# md5sum /home/alabd/shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20091218-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 e9b247c07adb67fe8c3812bf497d9a98 /home/alabd/shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20091218-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 Dec 28 09:10:14 sha1sum /home/alabd/shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20091218-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 d4a26a7fa658ba1a5626fef2ea12978b21432c0e /home/alabd/shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20091218-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 Dec 28 09:10:28 is it ok ? Dec 28 09:10:48 alabd: there should be a statement from SHR team if those are ok or not. Dec 28 09:11:33 would you explain more ? do you mean they should check codes ? Dec 28 09:13:28 alabd: somewhere on the shr pages the md5 og sha1-sums of the files you have downloaded should be written. compare your results to those. Dec 28 09:16:35 ok why it should be changed at all ? Dec 28 09:17:13 problems when you downloaded the files Dec 28 09:18:18 file is here and there is not any md5 file http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20091218-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 Dec 28 09:27:05 PaulFertser: kagee Dec 28 09:27:06 http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=vNC&q=md5+shr+full+eglibc+ipk+20091218+om+gta02+rootfs+jffs2+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fshr-project.org%2F&aq=f&oq=&aqi= Dec 28 09:29:12 alabd: the sha1- and md5-sums you get are identical to mine Dec 28 09:29:35 thanks kagee Dec 28 09:30:13 the files are probably identical to the ones on the shr server, but they should really have put som md5-sums in a file Dec 28 09:30:33 Kagee: would you check http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.29-oe11+gitr119860+b90406de472c1aa5371ab593a2bb79136d5de658-r6-om-gta02.bin also ? Dec 28 09:31:17 here md5sum is 2237d1bcabe9a1a36717c99ce2c13c94 Dec 28 09:31:26 and for you ? Dec 28 09:31:29 Kagee: Dec 28 09:32:10 alabd: http://pastebin.com/d79c8136e Dec 28 09:33:33 thanks Kagee PaulFertser: seems files are those on server and are the same what should be done now when will shr users wake up ? Dec 28 09:33:43 what is their ML ? Dec 28 09:37:11 after installing new testing SHR , touch screen does not work at this page http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/thumb/8/8f/SHR-Setup-Language.png/200px-SHR-Setup-Language.png Dec 28 09:37:15 any opinion ? Dec 28 09:38:17 I am flashing the same image now. Dec 28 09:39:15 thanks Dec 28 09:39:27 PaulFertser: dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D /home/alabd/Desktop/qi-s3c2442-1.0.2+gitr243+36bb5c03756268ff15b2d95a043ffb39a919ce5c.udfu Dec 28 09:39:34 is the above command true ? Dec 28 09:39:58 does not it need -d 0x1d50:0x5119 part ? Dec 28 09:40:48 When I try to connect openocd using sample configuration it states: Unknown command: daemon_startup attach (if i comment it out it complains also about "target arm920t little reset_run 0 arm920t" "working_area 0 0x200000 0x4000 backup" and "run_and_halt_time 0 5000"). What's wrong Dec 28 09:40:54 of course problem is further than QI Dec 28 09:42:08 alabd: -d spesifies what device you want to flash. if "dfu-util --list" only list one device (while phone is connected and i flash-mode) you do not need -d Dec 28 09:43:17 thanks ok Dec 28 09:43:50 humble am waiting for your flash Kagee do you flash the same version in the same method from usb yeah ? Dec 28 09:43:59 yes Dec 28 09:59:28 TAsn: ping Dec 28 10:04:56 what do I need to include in /etc/profile so that configure will find the C compiler in $PATH? I insalled the gcc package Dec 28 10:05:01 shr-testing Dec 28 10:15:40 Kagee: is it ok ? Dec 28 10:15:42 badcloud: i guess you lack actual c compiler. Dec 28 10:16:05 badcloud: i remember some other package was needed, probably "cpp" with its dependencies. Dec 28 10:16:10 I found gcc in /usr/lib and /usr/libexec Dec 28 10:16:31 but I suspect neither are binaries Dec 28 10:17:09 alabd: it won't boot, but that might be a problem with my freerunner Dec 28 10:17:45 Kagee: what is your FR version ? Kagee Dec 28 10:17:57 have you flashed qi ? Dec 28 10:18:05 yes, i have qi Dec 28 10:18:33 A5 ?6? 7 ? Dec 28 10:18:58 PaulFertser, Package cpp (4.4.2-r0.1.4) installed in root is up to date Dec 28 10:19:16 A5 ?6? 7 ? Kagee Dec 28 10:19:25 alabd: hmm, how do i find out? i've never needed to know Dec 28 10:20:25 maybe PaulFertser knows Dec 28 10:20:50 one way see what saler sold you Dec 28 10:22:27 alabd: looks like you need to actually boot the phone to find the hardware revision, that's kind of a problem Dec 28 10:23:30 how about that DATE CODE under battery ? Dec 28 10:23:51 or IMEI or S/N Dec 28 10:23:54 20080721 Dec 28 10:24:08 put, i've gotta go, good luck Dec 28 10:24:13 this is 20091024 Dec 28 10:24:36 booted Kagee ? Dec 28 10:25:27 alabd: no boot. but that is problably my phone, as i has not been working the last days. Dec 28 10:26:16 ok and your FR was ok with the same SHR version upgarded from opkg Kagee ? Dec 28 10:26:26 with the same kernel and the same rootfs Dec 28 10:27:13 the last sucsessful boot i have had was shr back in october Dec 28 10:27:19 now i have to go Dec 28 10:27:50 alabd: btw, your phone apparently booted Dec 28 10:27:59 PaulFertser, any ideas? Dec 28 10:28:00 alabd: so it's different to what Kagee sees. Dec 28 10:28:39 thanks kagee Dec 28 10:29:50 badcloud: what does gcc -v show? And what does it show when you try to compile anything? Dec 28 10:30:41 badcloud: if you lack the gcc executable, there should be some other gcc package you need to install... I remember doing that once but i can't tell the package name... Dec 28 10:31:07 I got it, package gcc-symlinks was needed Dec 28 10:31:10 :P Dec 28 10:31:14 PaulFertser: what is shr ml ? where is the best place to explain problem , maybe then should be waited if no result another shr version should be tested Dec 28 10:33:28 alabd: shr mailing list is mentioned at shr-project.org Dec 28 10:33:51 alabd: you should try to search for a similar problem there. Dec 28 10:50:00 yes thanks PaulFertser Kagee Dec 28 11:59:07 quick question. when going into suspend mode, do we really need to suspend since it's an ARM? couldn't we just turn off non-essential interrupts and do something like 'xrandr --output X --off'? Dec 28 11:59:46 that way, coming back up is a quick 'xrandr --output X --mode Y' Dec 28 12:03:41 no Dec 28 12:03:54 Power use when suspended is very non-zero alas. Dec 28 12:04:46 SHR contacts page doesn't show new contacts until you close and reopen it? and adding a contact you have to use little keyboard not big dialer? Dec 28 12:05:24 but power use when ignoring interrupts and video off with an ARM should be the same as syspended. or am I wrong? Dec 28 12:06:03 yes Dec 28 12:06:16 what's drawing the power then? Dec 28 12:06:28 Leakage. Dec 28 12:07:15 but wouldn't that be the same leakage that happens within suspend? Dec 28 12:07:59 no - in that mode, the power to more elements of the CPU are turned off Dec 28 12:10:52 damn Dec 28 12:14:50 arg0_: hd Dec 28 12:15:13 Oh my typing skills, where are they Dec 28 12:15:31 alfie should have read about zero-clock technology of omaps. Dec 28 12:22:48 Hi. Am I right that SHR does not yet support SMS delivery confirmations? Dec 28 12:23:55 nomeata: i think not exactly Dec 28 12:24:10 nomeata: i think underlying support in FSO is implemented properly. Dec 28 12:24:20 PaulFertser: At least I think I should have gotten one by now, if it were enabled... Dec 28 12:24:22 nomeata: fyi it's called message receipts. Dec 28 12:24:49 nomeata: quite possibly shr messages do not request the receipt when sending, just that. Dec 28 12:24:59 Yes, that’s what I mean. Dec 28 12:48:12 PaulFertser, and clue where 'as' (assembler) is installed from? Dec 28 12:48:15 *any Dec 28 12:48:17 badcloud: binutils Dec 28 12:48:25 thanks Dec 28 12:48:28 welcome Dec 28 12:49:08 I hope this will be the end of it and I can start compiling something... Dec 28 13:01:44 arrrg, no libc_nonshared.a Dec 28 13:09:58 hate to bother again, PaulFertser Dec 28 13:12:54 badcloud: np Dec 28 13:13:00 badcloud: libc-dev Dec 28 13:13:04 I guess Dec 28 13:14:00 how'd you find out? is there some opkg command? Dec 28 13:14:05 thanks again, btw Dec 28 13:17:01 badcloud: it's, like, obvious that to compile using libc you need some dev files for it :) Dec 28 13:35:49 could anyone give me libc_nonshared.a for neo arm from cross env?could anyone give me libc_nonshared.a for neo arm from cross env? Dec 28 13:36:07 PaulFertser, I guess not obvious to me ;) Dec 28 13:36:18 PaulFertser, I just can't find the right package Dec 28 13:51:05 badcloud: are you sure you have libc6-dev installed? Dec 28 13:51:21 yup Dec 28 13:51:26 and libc6 Dec 28 13:51:42 , linux-libc-headers-dev Dec 28 13:51:54 god knows what else that has to do with libc Dec 28 14:00:05 brb Dec 28 14:31:27 can anyone help me troubleshoot omnewrotate? if it's off and i suspend, when i wake the phone up the process magically reappears Dec 28 14:31:55 very annoying as it makes the buttons jump around when i'm trying to answer a call Dec 28 14:32:37 i tried using the init.d script from the comments on http://www.opkg.org/package_235.html but it hasn't helped Dec 28 14:32:56 i can't begin to guess how the program gets run again Dec 28 14:36:28 nrgh Dec 28 14:36:51 even if i kill the process, it still comes back after a suspend / unsuspend Dec 28 14:37:03 it's like some kind of voodoo Dec 28 14:37:56 gah Dec 28 14:38:19 can anyone tell me what it is that re-runs process on wakeup? Dec 28 14:39:48 to my knowledge there is no such thing Dec 28 14:40:03 but i'm not familiar with omnewrotate Dec 28 14:41:12 tim_abell: I think there's a line in... /etc/default/omnewrotate? Dec 28 14:43:24 tim_abell: /etc/default/omnewrotate.conf Dec 28 14:45:33 tim_abell: The scripts that use that, which run on suspend and resume, are under /etc/apm. Dec 28 14:48:01 Hi , anyone has used SHR with A7 ? Dec 28 14:51:19 alabd: it doesn't matter whether its a7 or a6 or even a5 for a distro. Dec 28 14:52:30 hi PaulFertser it does cause of we say Kagee with his phone has problem with the same version Dec 28 14:52:47 saw* Dec 28 14:53:33 he used the same SHR with his FR but it did not boot at all Dec 28 14:54:09 alabd: it doesn't mean anything. Dec 28 14:54:44 maybe Dec 28 14:57:30 alabd: shr devs say you should see no cursor and that language selection dialog should work. Dec 28 14:58:10 PaulFertser: but it does not work Dec 28 14:58:16 selection does not act Dec 28 14:58:40 maybe there is problem with that version of rootfs Dec 28 14:58:52 alabd: probably Dec 28 14:59:29 and maybe drier of touch pad is not ok Dec 28 14:59:34 driver* Dec 28 15:00:12 alabd: i doubt that... Dec 28 15:01:01 why ? drivers are in kernel or in rootfs ? Dec 28 15:02:40 alabd: TS driver is in kernel. Dec 28 15:02:54 alabd: but it requires some userspace calibration sometimes. Dec 28 15:04:04 How ? Dec 28 15:06:23 alabd: playaa says he reported something at #openmoko-cdevel, check the logs at http://ibot.rikers.org/channel Dec 28 15:09:40 thanks rozzin (even though you've left), /etc/default and /etc/apm were the key to the problem Dec 28 15:10:12 i wonder why whoever set up omnewrotate decided to kill/recreate it on suspend resume Dec 28 15:10:28 chmod -x on those scripts made it behave as one would expect Dec 28 15:13:54 root@om-gta02 /etc/apm $ chmod -x resume.d/89omnewrotate-resume suspend.d/11omne Dec 28 15:13:54 wrotate-suspend Dec 28 15:15:59 playya PaulFertser the same problem which day you reported Dec 28 15:18:55 PaulFertser: can not playya chat in english ? which date he has wrote something ... ? Dec 28 15:19:05 alabd: lol, he can for sure Dec 28 15:19:22 alabd: just search the logs for the last days for his nick, he didn't talk much. Dec 28 15:31:10 PaulFertser: something here but not related http://ibot.rikers.org/%23openmoko-cdevel/20091227.html.gz Dec 28 15:34:59 There was not anything related from 15 dec PaulFertser Dec 28 15:35:16 anyway how to calibrate PaulFertser Dec 28 15:46:47 run PaulFertser_calibrate ? Dec 28 15:47:49 hi SpeedEvil Dec 28 15:48:33 Sorry - no direct idea. Dec 28 15:49:42 nop Dec 28 15:55:43 run ts_calibrate Dec 28 15:55:51 or the X equivalent Dec 28 15:55:58 xtscal iirc Dec 28 15:56:50 alabd did u get shr to work? Dec 28 15:59:05 hi slaxxer Dec 28 15:59:13 thanks mickeyl|flu Dec 28 15:59:22 slaxxer: how to ssh in fr Dec 28 15:59:38 ssh Dec 28 15:59:48 ssh root@192.168.0.202 Dec 28 16:00:02 thanks panicking Dec 28 16:00:14 meas via usb ? or BT ? Dec 28 16:00:39 if the kernel has the eth gadget active Dec 28 16:00:43 you use usb Dec 28 16:00:49 to connect Dec 28 16:00:58 but you must setup network on your host Dec 28 16:01:43 after connecting with cable what should be dome panicking Dec 28 16:02:19 SHR has problem and is not loaded completely Dec 28 16:02:51 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking Dec 28 16:03:06 ok, hopefully my last post upgrade issue; (shr-t) gps isn't working. no idea why. can anyone help me troubleshoot? not sure where to start Dec 28 16:03:23 tango shows no satellites etc (0/0/0 in status) Dec 28 16:03:40 settings/gps set to manual/on Dec 28 16:03:48 what kernel revision do you use? Dec 28 16:03:53 2.6.29 Dec 28 16:03:55 or 2.6.32 Dec 28 16:03:56 thanks Dec 28 16:04:03 "satellite details" is empty Dec 28 16:04:03 can be a problem with the path Dec 28 16:04:20 panicking: where is 2.6.32 link ? Dec 28 16:04:32 fso-gpsd appears to be running Dec 28 16:04:39 (it's in ps -A anyway) Dec 28 16:04:48 yes but it open a serial device Dec 28 16:04:53 that maybe sent nothing Dec 28 16:05:36 PaulFertser: maybe that works with 2.6.32 ? but here 2.6.29 exists only http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/ Dec 28 16:06:15 I don't know what is the correct kernel of shr Dec 28 16:10:10 panicking: what does it mean while power bottun is RED ? Dec 28 16:10:53 buttun Dec 28 16:11:13 *button Dec 28 16:11:59 android Dec 28 16:12:00 ? Dec 28 16:13:12 no FR Dec 28 16:13:20 shr Dec 28 16:15:19 * tim_abell tries removing agps data and rebooting Dec 28 16:26:39 PaulFertser: dfu-util -l does not show FR ID now Dec 28 16:27:09 does ssh into FR requires os on FR ? Dec 28 16:28:50 yes Dec 28 16:35:13 but pc unlike today morning does not detect FR as a usb device after connecting cable , maybe this is also cause of flashiing new shr ? Dec 28 16:49:35 dfu-util -l does not show FR ID now , maybe this is also cause of flashiing new shr ? Dec 28 16:57:09 PaulFertser, pong. Dec 28 17:00:33 now flashing is impossible ,any opinion ? Dec 28 17:03:11 alabd: replug usb Dec 28 17:03:29 alabd:reboot fr Dec 28 17:03:45 alabd: reload usb module on host Dec 28 17:04:23 alabd: what else do you expect to hear? Dec 28 17:05:31 gena2x: on host usb is ok other devices work ... reboot fr no result also relug ... Dec 28 17:05:32 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/3875d690e19c3cc2a1cd03c44010cf7b.png help! Dec 28 17:05:55 what could be wrong? Dec 28 17:06:21 tim_abell: Go to street, wait for 5 mins. Dec 28 17:06:35 tim_abell: Don't move Dec 28 17:06:36 it's a bit chilly here! :) Dec 28 17:06:41 1.8 dec C Dec 28 17:07:00 tim_abell: wear something appropriate ;) Dec 28 17:07:08 * tim_abell puts on puffa jacket Dec 28 17:07:49 tim_abell: we have -10 and 1 meter of show ;) Dec 28 17:08:32 tim_abell:Oh, and don't let it suspend ;) Dec 28 17:09:28 alabd: for me, dfu-util glitches sometimes. I don't know why - just sometimes it is ok, sometimes not. Dec 28 17:13:46 can it be occured when SIM in not plugined Dec 28 17:13:49 gena2x: Dec 28 17:14:52 alabd: i think dfu-util is not related to sim Dec 28 17:15:58 and dmesg on PC says http://pastebin.com/m230eca14 Dec 28 17:20:20 alabd: Did it work for you before? Dec 28 17:21:00 alabd: low-speed? strange Dec 28 17:21:25 yea today morning for first time has been flashed Dec 28 17:25:46 alabd: this do not look like phone problem. Quick googling: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=797789 Dec 28 17:30:34 gena2x: solved it was cause of that usb cable was connected before turning fr on Dec 28 17:32:26 ssh needs os on FR , and you know SHR is not ok , now how to know modules work or not , despite while SHR boots shows lines that 2.6.24 module is not detected or some thing like this Dec 28 17:37:56 should necessarily this step be done before installing shr # gzip -dc modules-...tar.gz | tar -xf - -C / ? Dec 28 17:38:05 Problem : After installing SHR (With this rootfs ver. ) on NAND , SHR has been booted until this language setup page , but touch screen does not detect pen and language can not be selected ; touch screen is disabled . Dec 28 17:42:15 ping Dec 28 17:42:21 pong Dec 28 17:43:36 alabd: I meant modules on host. Inserting cable before turning fr should be ok. Dec 28 17:44:29 alabd: just flash appropriate kernel. Dec 28 17:45:03 alabd: I think it should just have same date as shr image Dec 28 17:46:07 alabd: this can be autoupdated later. I saw shr was flashing kernel on opkg upgrade. Dec 28 17:47:58 yes humble know that , does this command extract tarball intor FR ? # gzip -dc modules-...tar.gz | tar -xf - -C / ? Dec 28 17:48:04 gena2x: Dec 28 17:50:06 alabd: tar xzvf Dec 28 17:51:19 alabd: modules should be in /lib/modules/ Dec 28 17:55:16 what does this mean , does it mean the file didnot flashed?>>> Resetting USB to switch back to runtime mode Dec 28 17:58:30 alabd: You should flash 2 appopriate images to boot shr - rootfs and kernel. After that, if you want to change kernel, you should add appropriate modules mu going to FR by ssh and flahsing new kernel after that. Dec 28 17:58:48 alabd: s/mu/by/ Dec 28 17:59:22 alabd: But start with flashing right images. Dec 28 18:02:23 ok image and kernel is ok Dec 28 18:02:33 what does this command do ? # gzip -dc modules-...tar.gz | tar -xf - -C / ? Dec 28 18:03:08 alabd: it extracts file modules... to / Dec 28 18:03:40 alabd: I guess Dec 28 18:04:43 dir / of FR ? Dec 28 18:04:59 alabd: of where you shell is. Dec 28 18:05:19 no shell is terminal on host Dec 28 18:05:31 but there is not such folder on / of host Dec 28 18:05:32 alabd: if you gone to fs by ssh, this will be fr. if you didnt this will be your host. Dec 28 18:05:44 alabd: s/fs/fr/ Dec 28 18:06:50 alabd: but you have no need to extract modules as they should be already on rootfs Dec 28 18:07:40 gena2x: yes Dec 28 18:07:58 now SHR is ok and loaded and works PaulFertser Dec 28 18:08:11 but what are thoe modules for gena2x ? Dec 28 18:08:11 have fun ;) Dec 28 18:09:00 alabd: if you want to change kernel, you should also provide modules matching new kernel. Dec 28 18:09:34 gena2x: thanks how GPS works ? Dec 28 18:09:58 tangoGPS app just shows a white screen Dec 28 18:10:17 alabd: You should have maps. Dec 28 18:10:27 alabd: And gps signal. Dec 28 18:10:37 gps signal ? Dec 28 18:10:56 Also - some areas of the map are regrettably empty on openstreetmaps. Dec 28 18:11:07 Check that ytou have zoomed out enough. Dec 28 18:11:10 gena2x: For signal go to street for 5 minutes and don't move Dec 28 18:11:35 at all is there any signal at asia Dec 28 18:11:51 alabd: It's everywhere on earth. Dec 28 18:12:06 ok so just we need maps Dec 28 18:12:23 where should be downloaded and how to send on FR ? Dec 28 18:12:30 alabd: Expect some places where USA decided that should have no signal Dec 28 18:12:55 gena2x: e.g where is iran in the list ? Dec 28 18:13:07 alabd: I mean gps may be turned off because of some military decision. Dec 28 18:13:17 ok Dec 28 18:13:29 and maps should be downloaded from FR only ? Dec 28 18:13:42 alabd: I've heard of this, but never face that issue. Dec 28 18:14:03 alabd: they must be downloaded TO fr. Dec 28 18:14:35 you mean FR should be connected to internet Dec 28 18:14:44 and it can be connected to pc Dec 28 18:14:51 and uses pc internet Dec 28 18:15:00 alabd: go for signal, return back with you place, connect fr to usb, provide proper internel to fr throught usb (check by ping) Dec 28 18:15:26 alabd: use tangogps 'download' function to download maps while you connected to pc Dec 28 18:15:44 alabd: they will be cached forether on you FR. Dec 28 18:15:58 how exactly fr can use internet pc via usb , Dec 28 18:16:12 after cable connecting what should be done Dec 28 18:16:53 alabd: you should setup two things - IP and DNS. Dec 28 18:17:24 alabd: oh... this is long thing... Dec 28 18:18:05 gena2x: thanks is there any manual for that ? Dec 28 18:18:25 alabd: without details: simpilest way is to setup SNAT on your pc Dec 28 18:18:48 alabd: i mean 'host' talking about 'pc' Dec 28 18:19:16 after setting ip and dns on host what should be done Dec 28 18:19:36 gena2x: here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking Dec 28 18:19:50 should be done yes Dec 28 18:19:59 thanks Dec 28 18:20:19 humble will read it now Dec 28 18:20:20 gena2x: Yes, something like this. Dec 28 18:32:49 gena2x: does not it matter if when shr is loaded cable usb connect into fr ? Dec 28 18:34:09 alabd: didn't understand your question, rephrase Dec 28 18:35:03 shr is booted Dec 28 18:36:01 does not it matter if usb cable pluged in fr Dec 28 18:36:16 alabd. Matter for that? Dec 28 18:36:46 hardware Dec 28 18:36:54 when phone is one Dec 28 18:37:04 usb cable connects to it Dec 28 18:37:26 alabd: And what's the problem? Dec 28 18:37:56 hardware hurt ? Dec 28 18:38:14 alabd: connected = charging + connection, not connected = no no charging, no tpc connection. Dec 28 18:38:24 s/tpc/tcp/ Dec 28 18:38:25 gena2x meant: alabd: connected = charging + connection, not connected = no no charging, no tcp connection. Dec 28 18:39:20 alabd: USB is hotplug. you might connect or disconnect at any moment. Dec 28 18:39:46 alabd: any usb device. by design. Dec 28 18:40:11 btw. when I started flashing, is the phone charged, or powered from usb or only battery is used untill full os is ran? Dec 28 18:40:12 thanks Dec 28 18:40:29 * rhkfin upgrades his shr-testing.. Dec 28 18:43:15 groszek: this is not related to 'flashing'. it depends on uboot settings. i think it's always 'charging' at 100mA. Dec 28 18:43:26 alabd: have fun Dec 28 18:44:11 mhm ok Dec 28 18:44:16 thanks Dec 28 18:44:25 thanks gena2x Dec 28 18:47:59 done.. Dec 28 18:48:05 that didn't take long.. Dec 28 18:49:13 this is ifconfig after connectig fr to pc via usb cable http://pastebin.com/f59e66081 but there is not any usb0 Dec 28 18:52:33 alabd: it might be not usb0, check you dmesg Dec 28 18:53:26 gena2x: eth1: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-0000:00:1d.0-1, CDC Ethernet Device, 00:1f:11:01:a6:a6 Dec 28 18:53:42 alabd: so, it is eth1 in your case Dec 28 18:57:01 gena2x: what is password? Dec 28 18:57:08 hi Dec 28 18:57:13 hi Dec 28 18:57:20 does Openmoko take paypal? Dec 28 18:57:36 meoblast001: the phone or the company or the project or ..? Dec 28 18:57:45 the company Dec 28 18:58:18 meoblast001: to support or to buy a phone? Dec 28 18:58:24 However, I'd say no it doesn't. Dec 28 18:58:47 alabd: oh, latest shr switched to openssh with root login disabled. Dec 28 18:58:59 to buy the phone Dec 28 18:59:01 dang it Dec 28 18:59:03 what does it mean ? gena2x Dec 28 18:59:05 looks like i'm not buying Dec 28 18:59:07 meoblast001: to buy a phone, see tuxbrain.com for example Dec 28 18:59:32 meoblast001: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributors Dec 28 18:59:34 alabd: I mean last time I had shr I were unable to login with ssh Dec 28 19:00:02 meoblast001: you want to have an A7 version (propably with #1024 -fix applied) Dec 28 19:00:08 alabd: but that were after upgrade not fresh install. Dec 28 19:00:30 don't all A7s have that applied? Dec 28 19:00:31 gena2x: it wants password Dec 28 19:00:41 meoblast001: no Dec 28 19:00:41 alabd: Last time it was empty. Dec 28 19:00:59 alabd: So, you do ssh root@192.168.0.220 Dec 28 19:01:05 meoblast001: A7 have the buzz fix applied, not the "1024, as far as I know. Not sure though.. Dec 28 19:01:08 yes Dec 28 19:01:09 found an error on that page Dec 28 19:01:12 alabd and press enter Dec 28 19:01:12 "Candada" Dec 28 19:01:20 meoblast001: feel free to fix it :) Dec 28 19:01:32 no is not empty gena2x wait Dec 28 19:01:48 these ones are more expensive :( Dec 28 19:01:51 i'm not interested Dec 28 19:02:16 alabd: oh, also they changed it as far as i can recall. don't know. Dec 28 19:03:04 alabd: just keep in mind that if you can't login that may not only mean you have wrong password, but also have login disabled. Dec 28 19:03:50 now passwd shoud e tested Dec 28 19:04:04 gena2x: how to backslash ? Dec 28 19:04:46 on fr Dec 28 19:04:48 alabd: I have no shr near me... Dec 28 19:07:52 how to backslash in SHR ? Dec 28 19:12:45 how to write passwd in terminal on shr Dec 28 19:13:04 'passwd' ? Dec 28 19:13:19 if you mean you can't see your typing after that, just type your password and enter Dec 28 19:14:01 no in terminal Dec 28 19:14:04 in fr Dec 28 19:14:13 can not write passwd Dec 28 19:15:29 why not? Dec 28 19:15:42 ok it is possible with default keyboard Dec 28 19:16:28 gena2x: you are correct :) windowsill was sufficient, gps is now alive and kicking Dec 28 19:17:39 tim_abell: I just had same problem :) Dec 28 19:17:58 maybe the USA are about to invade woodley Dec 28 19:19:40 tim_abell: Yes, this is most common reason why GPS is not working on FR Dec 28 19:21:43 hurrah, i now have everything working again under shr-testing Dec 28 19:28:43 hi Dec 28 20:08:18 PC is connected to FR via usb and ssh works Dec 28 20:08:23 now how to use pc internet on FR ? Dec 28 20:09:57 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Proxying_with_iptables Dec 28 20:16:57 rhkfin: do you think if i email the company, they will let me pay using paypal? Dec 28 20:17:06 all the other retailers have at least a 50 dollar higher price tag Dec 28 20:19:32 meoblast001: try, but I don't think so.. Dec 28 20:23:56 got some question is there any distribution which is useable instead shr or qtmoko? i saw distributions on wiki and tried android/novento but i see that all distributions(shr and qtmoko too) has big problem with basic functionality mean call/answer and send/receive sms Dec 28 20:26:54 no idea about QtMoko, but SHR-U seems to work fine for lots of people Dec 28 20:28:30 I just installed 'original' om2009 and it's clean, easy, working and so far the fastest ... Dec 28 20:29:58 with shr i've simple problem somtimes when sby call to me i've no screen with answer button but only desktop with icons Dec 28 20:31:15 groszek: good hint ;) maybe it's good idea :) Dec 28 20:31:49 it just have _no software_ installed, there is only terminal and paroli in illume screen Dec 28 20:32:00 so first thing to do is installing everything =] Dec 28 20:32:13 but paroli looks and works great Dec 28 20:33:24 hmm looks simple Dec 28 20:34:15 is it only fingers usable? (call/answer/searching contacts?) Dec 28 20:36:28 TAsn: i think SHR project should provide hashes for all the images. Dec 28 20:36:36 TAsn: so people can check if the download is correct. Dec 28 20:36:48 PaulFertser, I agree. Dec 28 20:36:52 :P Dec 28 20:37:02 Although, I have to admit, I never had a case of a bad download :P Dec 28 20:37:21 Never quite got it, as TCP should take care of faulty packets Dec 28 20:37:23 doesn't it? Dec 28 20:37:29 :p Dec 28 20:37:46 TAsn: tell that to mwester, muhahaha Dec 28 20:37:51 :P Dec 28 20:38:02 No, for real, though, never got how is that even possible :P Dec 28 20:38:04 TAsn: he knows some horrifying stories. Dec 28 20:38:15 well, he's afk :| Dec 28 20:38:40 But it's a sec to add (I assume) Dec 28 20:38:58 we can easily write a simple script to do it. (if there isn't something like that already) Dec 28 20:39:10 I have funny shr bug Dec 28 20:39:29 sometimes phone boots so slow, that its become suspended before registered to gsm Dec 28 20:39:39 max_posedon, that's not a funny bug Dec 28 20:39:42 it happens all the time ;( Dec 28 20:39:47 and it's very unfortunate ;( Dec 28 20:40:04 we haven't decided on a wanted behavior yet. Dec 28 20:40:16 as it's not as easy to take care of as you might think. Dec 28 20:40:19 can't it be fixed via simple "fsoraw -r CPU sleep 120" as some init script? Dec 28 20:40:23 because you don't want to prevent suspension Dec 28 20:40:32 max_posedon, lol, that's a nice hack :P Dec 28 20:42:24 so, I hope you can easy add it soon Dec 28 20:43:39 we should think about it. Dec 28 20:43:42 we really should. Dec 28 20:43:49 I'm a bit preoccupied atm Dec 28 20:43:54 but we will. Dec 28 20:52:01 ajafo: I installed hackable:1 few days ago, it is very nice Dec 28 20:52:47 ajafo: Fast, reliable, debian-based, and looks very nice with new(?) theme. Dec 28 20:53:47 gena2x: ok thx, i'll try it for a minute ;) Dec 28 20:54:54 i'm searching some distribution with basic functionality(to use it every day) to join with little developing ;) Dec 28 20:55:55 ajafo: I guess people from hackable:1 have exactly that tagret - distribution easy for devepment Dec 28 20:56:54 ajafo: Where you have no need to recompile whole wolrd just to start development, where you have all things ready... Dec 28 20:57:31 ajafo: I've noticed few bug. Dec 28 20:57:51 gena2x: bugs in hackable? Dec 28 20:57:53 ajafo: only important one is sound quality. Dec 28 20:58:21 gena2x: not so good :/ Dec 28 20:58:28 ajafo: But that guys wrote on their site they sre going to fso. Dec 28 20:59:02 ajafo: Otherwise I am happy with it. Dec 28 20:59:05 gena2x: on qtmoko i saw shr-way too Dec 28 20:59:54 ajafo:qtmoko is debian too, not OE. Dec 28 21:00:14 ajafo: but sic, it's on framebuffer :) Dec 28 21:00:34 gena2x: true Dec 28 21:01:52 gena2x: for now qtmoko is most usable for me but i searching sthg better ;) Dec 28 21:02:02 ajafo, qtmoko is ok Dec 28 21:02:07 shr is mostly usable Dec 28 21:02:12 :P Dec 28 21:02:27 (I use it all the time for a couple of months now, but I'm aware of the flaws) Dec 28 21:02:27 TAsn: shr have 2 problems Dec 28 21:02:38 *has Dec 28 21:02:42 TAsn: In fact, all shr, qtmoko and hackable:1 are very usable Dec 28 21:02:44 which are? Dec 28 21:02:51 gena2x, I agree. Dec 28 21:02:52 TAsn: yes sorry for my English :) Dec 28 21:03:11 TAsn: somtimes when sby call to me i've no screen with answer button but only desktop with icons Dec 28 21:03:21 ajafo, no need to sorry, my english is far from perfect, I corrected you for mutual improvement Dec 28 21:03:28 I wish people will correct me more :P Dec 28 21:03:36 ajafo, what version? never saw this. Dec 28 21:03:45 actually, h:1 is the least usable actually. Dec 28 21:03:55 it has many annoying issues from what I have seen. Dec 28 21:04:11 TAsn: have you tried last version? Dec 28 21:04:21 week old one? Dec 28 21:04:22 no. Dec 28 21:04:40 TAsn: I've found no issue where. Dec 28 21:05:00 TAsn: which you had? Dec 28 21:05:06 TAsn: and second one it's last calls etc. in qtmoko i've got it at call menu in shr i need to search in phone log Dec 28 21:05:07 can't remember atm. Dec 28 21:05:23 ajafo, I don't get why people like it in the same app :P Dec 28 21:05:29 but we'll add it. Dec 28 21:05:30 TAsn: they ever did a setting application Dec 28 21:05:41 or actually, just make a reasonable phonelog app Dec 28 21:05:47 gena2x, I know. Dec 28 21:06:00 gena2x, I'm keeping track. Dec 28 21:06:13 anyhow, Dec 28 21:06:14 I'm off. Dec 28 21:08:02 TAsn: second "bug" involves only comfort of usability but problem with answer button disqalify this distribution Dec 28 21:08:16 ajafo, again, what version? Dec 28 21:09:01 anyhow, ciao. Dec 28 21:09:01 TAsn: last time i tried shr - 2009-11-26 Dec 28 21:09:08 psshhh old. Dec 28 21:09:10 :P Dec 28 21:09:19 :P Dec 28 21:09:19 try the *full* latest image. Dec 28 21:09:27 I'm not kidding, it's pretty old. Dec 28 21:09:32 and you probably got a buggy image. Dec 28 21:09:38 lastest full should work. Dec 28 21:09:41 latest* Dec 28 21:09:49 ajafo: kernel with fifo patch ;) Dec 28 21:09:54 i tried few earlier versions too Dec 28 21:09:55 of course, opkg upgrade (after you turn swap on) Dec 28 21:10:11 ajafo, and you had this issue in all of them? Dec 28 21:10:17 TAsn: yes Dec 28 21:10:21 why didn't you open a ticket then? :P Dec 28 21:10:27 again, never heard of it. Dec 28 21:11:54 TAsn: i bought phone and i tried shr first, saw the problem, so tried other distro and other... and again shr Dec 28 21:12:11 then i asked here and sby told me that it's known bug Dec 28 21:12:21 i c. Dec 28 21:12:30 you got a guilt free pass this time :P Dec 28 21:12:36 :PP Dec 28 21:12:48 OH Dec 28 21:13:01 I know what who ever told you that meant. Dec 28 21:13:08 there's an issue with Dec 28 21:13:09 x11-16 Dec 28 21:13:21 but it's also fixed (workedaround) already. Dec 28 21:13:23 :P Dec 28 21:13:52 anyhow, Dec 28 21:13:54 ciao. Dec 28 21:14:01 for real now. Dec 28 21:15:18 btw. this one should working: shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20091218-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 ? Dec 28 21:15:52 TAsn: thx bye Dec 28 21:16:26 no idea Dec 28 21:16:36 strange, i thought x11-16 buried long time ago. Dec 28 21:16:36 I'm not part of the non-existent QA team :P Dec 28 21:16:42 gena2x, it was Dec 28 21:16:48 buried as BAD Dec 28 21:16:55 now it was revived? Dec 28 21:16:56 but was workedaround only a month or so Dec 28 21:16:59 ago Dec 28 21:17:02 iirc. Dec 28 21:17:12 it should not be used at all though. Dec 28 21:17:13 ciao. Dec 28 21:17:22 ffs I'm not coming back this time :) Dec 28 21:17:58 i can recall rasterman blame it... and noone wanted to support it... Dec 28 21:18:21 and 16bit + alpha storage Dec 28 21:18:31 horrible stories. Dec 28 21:58:09 tjikkun: prepare for ban Dec 28 21:58:26 hehe Dec 28 22:00:29 tomcatek: what the hell, i'm not op! Dec 28 22:01:07 PaulFertser: maybye You are not identified? Dec 28 22:01:20 PaulFertser: via nickserv? Dec 28 22:01:49 tomcatek: i'm op at #openmoko-cdevel but not here. Dec 28 22:02:00 mickeyl|flu: ping, do you have ops here? Dec 28 22:03:04 DocScrutinizer51: ping Dec 28 22:04:33 only mickeyl|flu can help here :) Dec 28 22:04:54 unfortunately Dec 28 22:05:36 we can hack his provider and terminate connection Dec 28 22:06:06 gena2x: hehe, after watching all those cool videos from CCC indeed we can Dec 28 22:06:19 PaulFertser: CCC? Dec 28 22:07:16 gena2x: chaos communication congress. All the cool guys are there right atm :) Dec 28 22:08:10 PaulFertser: need to take a look... Dec 28 22:11:33 DocScrutinizer: ping Dec 28 22:11:48 que passa? Dec 28 22:12:08 DocScrutinizer51: give me ops here please :) Dec 28 22:12:15 DocScrutinizer51: and kick tjikkun Dec 28 22:12:16 why? Dec 28 22:12:27 mompl Dec 28 22:12:41 DocScrutinizer51: just in case something happens that shouldn't and i'm near. Dec 28 22:13:04 thought you got ops Dec 28 22:13:21 DocScrutinizer51: got at -cdevel but not here. Dec 28 22:13:59 hmm maybe here it's mickey to ask. Wait a minute. First for the kick Dec 28 22:14:17 DocScrutinizer51: yep, i'll ask him when he's available. Dec 28 22:16:13 what's wrong with tjikkun ? Dec 28 22:16:36 DocScrutinizer51: spamming the channel with constant reconnections Dec 28 22:16:51 DocScrutinizer51: btw, you lack the "f" flag so you can't modify access list here apparently Dec 28 22:17:21 ooh. that's why I don't find anything fishy :-D Dec 28 22:17:44 yep Dec 28 22:23:05 PaulFertser: hm... (n=tjikkun@cl-511.ede-01.nl.sixxs.net) i'm trying to find that CCC videos, and see http://ipv4gate.sixxs.net/ similar url, strange... Dec 28 22:23:11 PaulFertser: On page with videos link Dec 28 22:23:23 PaulFertser: on site of that CCC Dec 28 22:24:49 PaulFertser: nice site for sure. first question in faq is how to hear mono sound from videos in alsa. Dec 28 22:27:24 DocScrutinizer: O_o Dec 28 22:27:27 i'm confused Dec 28 22:28:18 meoblast001: why? Dec 28 22:28:34 what did this tjikkun guy do? Dec 28 22:28:37 he joined and quit Dec 28 22:28:43 oh.... he did it about a million times Dec 28 22:28:48 [2009-12-28 23:25:40] [314] tjikkun n=tjikkun cl-511.ede-01.nl.sixxs.net * Sander Hoentjen Sander Hoentjen Dec 28 22:28:49 [2009-12-28 23:25:40] [Whois] tjikkun ist auf dem Server irc.freenode.net (Mon Dec 28 13:37:24 2009). Dec 28 22:28:51 [2009-12-28 23:25:40] [314] tjikkun n=tjikkun cl-511.ede-01.nl.sixxs.net * Sander Hoentjen Sander Hoentjen Dec 28 22:28:52 [2009-12-28 23:25:40] [Whois] tjikkun ist auf dem Server irc.freenode.net (Mon Dec 28 13:34:24 2009). Dec 28 22:28:54 [2009-12-28 23:25:40] [314] tjikkun n=tjikkun cl-511.ede-01.nl.sixxs.net * Sander Hoentjen Sander Hoentjen Dec 28 22:28:55 [2009-12-28 23:25:40] [Whois] tjikkun ist auf dem Server irc.freenode.net (Mon Dec 28 13:32:23 2009). Dec 28 22:28:57 [2009-12-28 23:25:40] [314] tjikkun n=tjikkun cl-511.ede-01.nl.sixxs.net * Sander Hoentjen Sander Hoentjen Dec 28 22:28:58 [2009-12-28 23:25:40] [Whois] tjikkun ist auf dem Server irc.freenode.net (Mon Dec 28 13:31:23 2009). Dec 28 22:29:00 [2009-12-28 23:25:40] [314] tjikkun n=tjikkun cl-511.ede-01.nl.sixxs.net * Sander Hoentjen Sander Hoentjen Dec 28 22:29:01 [2009-12-28 23:25:40] [Whois] tjikkun ist auf dem Server irc.freenode.net (Mon Dec 28 13:30:24 2009). Dec 28 22:29:03 [2009-12-28 23:25:40] [314] tjikkun n=tjikkun cl-511.ede-01.nl.sixxs.net * Sander Hoentjen Sander Hoentjen Dec 28 22:29:06 [2009-12-28 23:25:40] [Whois] tjikkun ist auf dem Server irc.freenode.net (Mon Dec 28 13:28:25 2009). Dec 28 22:29:15 DocScrutinizer, !? Dec 28 22:29:18 ? Dec 28 22:29:40 ???????? I can do that as well Dec 28 22:29:50 some more: ????? Dec 28 22:29:52 :-P Dec 28 22:30:27 how many days does it usually take "the company" to respond to emails? Dec 28 22:33:19 "the company" usually doesn't respond to any mail. "THE company" just *reads* everbody else's mail, until you qualify for a visit of "THE company"'s black helicopters ;-D Dec 28 22:34:56 oh Dec 28 22:34:58 ... Dec 28 22:35:04 so i should expect an email by wednesday? Dec 28 22:35:31 meoblast001: honestly, if you talk about OM the inc. then odds are you won't see any answer at all I guess.You know there's not very much staff at OM the inc any more Dec 28 22:35:49 oh :( Dec 28 22:36:33 they should make a new Freerunner model, that would boost profits and they'd be able to compete :D Dec 28 22:36:35 omg sixxs.org is a ipv6 gate Dec 28 22:36:46 %) Dec 28 22:37:42 meoblast001: this for fun: http://www.google.de/search?q=cia+%22the+company%22 Dec 28 22:38:38 and this for business: There will simply *nobody* care about high spirited mail advice like that Dec 28 22:40:06 gena2x: yo IPv6. One of the wellknown Dec 28 22:41:01 I didn't face that somehow. Dec 28 22:48:22 A new phone model is going to - doing it on a shoestring - cost you a large slice of a million dollars to get something credible. Dec 28 22:49:17 SpeedEvil: ah Dec 28 22:50:10 meo: that's design, prototyping, maybe 10K - optimistically - not counting labour costs - and then a run of a thousand which is practically the minimum you need to get costs down to a sane level Dec 28 22:50:39 PaulFertser: please unban tjikkun periodically. I'm not sure if he knows what happened. But I guess he'll fix his connectivity issues eventually Dec 28 22:52:46 for 1k you don'nt even get up and pick the phone when it comes to sourcing of special parts like SoC or LCD Dec 28 22:57:20 hmm. I have paroli-serenity on om2009, is there a way to add the 'settings' button on the top hidden panel? I had it on shr, but not here... Dec 28 22:57:34 or which file holds the config for this hidden bar? Dec 29 00:42:41 ~seen [Rui] Dec 29 00:42:45 [rui] was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 5d 2h 42m 33s ago, saying: 'should I make update or is it useless?'. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Dec 29 02:59:57 2009