**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 08 02:59:57 2010 Jan 08 03:12:12 http://www.msextra.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=131&t=34596 Jan 08 03:14:43 any comments on that ? Jan 08 03:14:55 supermagnum, That would be cool. Jan 08 03:15:13 I'm afraid I don't know how to code it. Jan 08 03:15:25 and Megasquirt is community driven Jan 08 03:15:53 thumbs up for going the megasquirt route Jan 08 03:16:32 I only wish they could speak VAG CAN bus (for instrument cluster) and monitored the knock sensors Jan 08 03:17:54 it can monitor the kcnock sensor just fine Jan 08 03:18:10 the VAG bus is a different problem Jan 08 03:18:15 hrm, last I checked it didn't, at least not the VAG specific knock sensors Jan 08 03:18:47 in any case, I'll probably end up getting a copy of maestro7 from eurodyne Jan 08 03:18:54 keep the bosch me7 Jan 08 03:19:15 it's actually quite a nice little computer Jan 08 03:20:06 brb Jan 08 03:23:17 heard about http://www.viatrack.ca/ ? the sell somethin called KnocksenseMS for Megasquirt and other EMS. Jan 08 03:29:35 Hello Jan 08 03:29:52 hrm, hadn't seen that Jan 08 03:31:38 i am not sure, but i think that megatunix ( thats the linux version of the tuning software for megasquirt ) will run on a openmoko Jan 08 03:33:20 ndnihil you can always pop by at ##megasquirt and ask :) Jan 08 03:33:37 well, it'll be a while before I put MS on something Jan 08 03:33:58 both my regular cars are post 1996, meaning I have to pass OBDII emissions Jan 08 03:34:15 ah :( Jan 08 03:34:30 though I did start work on a AVR based ECU for my lawnmower :) Jan 08 03:35:02 we do not have that problem here in norway, cars just ahve to pass the normal sniffer test Jan 08 03:35:31 yeah, but you have to pay out the ass for performance mods Jan 08 03:35:42 isn't tax based on displacement over there? Jan 08 03:35:50 or is it rated power output Jan 08 03:35:51 yes :( Jan 08 03:36:08 it is on displacement and power. .. Jan 08 03:36:20 I've got some friends in .no Jan 08 03:36:34 they hate the power tax Jan 08 03:36:54 it is quite stupid that tax.. Jan 08 03:39:16 what kind of car are you going to put the MS ON? Jan 08 03:39:18 er Jan 08 03:39:21 s/ON/on/g Jan 08 03:39:30 a Audi 80 Jan 08 03:39:34 nice! Jan 08 03:39:45 * ndnihil has a B6 platform a4 Jan 08 03:39:59 that inline 5cyl is a monster Jan 08 03:40:16 wish I could swap that or a vr6 into mine Jan 08 03:40:23 it is a 2.6 liters v6 1993 mod Jan 08 03:40:50 why didn't you just build the I5? I've seen those things churn out 1000+whp Jan 08 03:40:55 awhp at that Jan 08 03:41:29 and a bitrubo 2.7 liters later.. that will be fitted with a supercharger kit Jan 08 03:42:30 just out of curiosity, how did you end up in #openmoko for a megasquirt issue? Jan 08 03:42:53 the only problem is getting hold of a 35 pin BOSH plug, so i can use the standard sensors and the standard connector. Jan 08 03:42:53 this is because if something goes wrong with the MS2 box, it is possible to just plug it out and replace it with the standard one. Jan 08 03:43:50 ndnihil: it should be nice if openmoko can be interfaced with megasquirt, thats why Jan 08 03:43:50 pick up a spare/junk ECU from the scrap yard, yank the connector off, and build a ms->me(5?) adapter Jan 08 03:44:40 ndnihil: jes, i will do that.. but second hand ECU's costs around 1000 NOK here Jan 08 03:44:55 what's that in USD or GBP? Jan 08 03:45:02 it is a bit stupid to ruin a working ecu Jan 08 03:45:05 or AUD or euro for that matter Jan 08 03:45:29 here people just throw away blown ECUs Jan 08 03:45:45 might ask around at shops to see if they have any broken ones laying around for cheap Jan 08 03:45:53 1,000.00 NOK Jan 08 03:45:53 Jan 08 03:45:53 = Jan 08 03:45:53 Jan 08 03:45:53 175.204 USD Jan 08 03:45:59 ooops.. :( Jan 08 03:46:16 that's not too bad for an older ECU Jan 08 03:46:21 if it's in good working order Jan 08 03:47:15 ndnihil: i will try that too, i am corrintly avaiting some parts needed to mod the MS-2 so it can run 3 coilpacks Jan 08 03:50:11 3 BIP373 IGTB's Jan 08 03:51:13 ibgt? Jan 08 03:52:42 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulated-gate_bipolar_transistor Jan 08 03:52:51 yeah Jan 08 03:52:58 I was just wondering what a IGTB was :) Jan 08 03:53:18 I know IGBT :) Jan 08 03:53:25 oops, I typed it wrong too Jan 08 03:53:28 we're even :) Jan 08 03:55:08 it is easy to misstype Jan 08 03:55:20 Bosch BIP373s have both output current limiting and thermal shutdown built in. The data sheet puts the typical current limiting at 11.5 amps with a maximum of 16 amps. The thermal shutdown range is between 185 and 210 degrees C with a typical shutdown at 195C. Basically that means the BIP373 will provide a hotter spark that a VB921, and if you configure it wrong and it gets hot, it shuts itself down instead of turning on the Jan 08 03:55:20 pyrotechnics. Jan 08 03:58:43 sounds like a good one Jan 08 03:58:47 -30 degrees outside now.. Jan 08 03:58:49 might have to grab a few of those Jan 08 03:59:07 -15C or so here Jan 08 03:59:21 they are a bit overkill for running coils Jan 08 04:02:35 I'd probably be looking for a higher current version Jan 08 04:02:48 10-20A is FET territory Jan 08 04:03:07 want to make some ESCs in the 80A to 120A range Jan 08 04:03:46 you can find some documentation on that BIP 373 here : Jan 08 04:03:46 http://www.semiconductors.bosch.de/en/30/engine/ignition.asp Jan 08 04:05:05 what is a ESC ? Jan 08 04:05:13 electronic speed controller Jan 08 04:05:19 aha :) Jan 08 04:06:12 for a RC car ? Jan 08 04:06:31 for electric motorcycle :) Jan 08 04:06:39 cool Jan 08 04:07:15 i did see a electric dragracing bike, the battery's caused the engine to explode.. Jan 08 04:07:21 going to start with a small one using electric wheelchair motors Jan 08 04:10:42 you can possibly get some FET's from a electric truck Jan 08 04:10:55 I've got tons of RC stuff Jan 08 04:11:29 i moutly got guns.. 4 of them :P Jan 08 04:11:40 have a few of those myself Jan 08 04:11:50 I thought most guns were illegal in .no? Jan 08 04:11:56 .22 LR, 357 supermag , 9mm , 45colt Jan 08 04:12:13 not if you are a member of a pistol club Jan 08 04:12:21 ah Jan 08 04:12:43 probably going to get my CCW this month if I can find the time Jan 08 04:12:50 (concealed carry permit) Jan 08 04:13:18 you have to been a active member of a pistol club in 6 monts, and a clean criminal record.. an minimum 20 years of age Jan 08 04:13:30 reasonable requirements Jan 08 04:13:42 there are NO ccw's here.. only sporting use Jan 08 04:15:16 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-9-QCY-ipU Jan 08 04:16:11 hrm, "error occurred, please try again later" Jan 08 04:16:39 wonder if it has anything to do with my flash modification Jan 08 04:17:06 hulu recently required flash10.0.22 or higher, and it's only available compiled against glibc2.3 Jan 08 04:17:17 i have a MK2 ruger in stainless steel, supressed of course, a dan wesson mod 40 in 357 supermag, a ruger new waquero in stainless, a CZ 75 SP-01 shadow. Jan 08 04:17:33 so I took a dev version of pre-release 10.0.0 and hex edited the version strings Jan 08 04:17:38 works with hulu though Jan 08 04:17:53 aha Jan 08 04:18:11 i am using kubntu, and firefox Jan 08 04:18:17 kubuntu* Jan 08 04:18:30 heh, this machine was installed in 2004 Jan 08 04:18:58 all of youtube is now broken for me Jan 08 04:18:59 woohoo Jan 08 04:20:21 I'll just set up a separate user for running a browser for hulu Jan 08 04:20:28 and stick flash 9 back on this one Jan 08 04:20:46 anything I can do to avoid a fresh install :) Jan 08 04:20:49 ok Jan 08 04:21:00 though I do have two 1.5T drives sitting here waiting for that very moment Jan 08 04:21:07 i do have pictures :P http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_04MaLhArkFQ/SrtrI63UmZI/AAAAAAAAALI/pabLxT47zjI/s320/rugermk2kikkert.jpg Jan 08 04:21:26 http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_04MaLhArkFQ/SrejJZem-2I/AAAAAAAAAKw/a1WfHAUdp0E/s1600-h/dan-wesson.JPG Jan 08 04:21:33 I do have youtube messed with a bit Jan 08 04:21:55 I force use of the an old embedded player so I can avoid the ads Jan 08 04:22:07 is that a silencer? Jan 08 04:22:10 ah :) Jan 08 04:22:13 yup Jan 08 04:22:17 nice Jan 08 04:22:18 amazing Jan 08 04:22:24 need a separate permit for those here Jan 08 04:22:28 nowegian made, A-tech Jan 08 04:22:47 anyone can get a silencer ehre, no permits at all Jan 08 04:23:19 my 22LR sounds like a air rifle when supressed Jan 08 04:23:27 here you need the FFL, and it covers automatics and silenced Jan 08 04:24:34 cal 50 guns are illegal here in norway Jan 08 04:24:39 CVirus: what's amazing? Jan 08 04:24:51 the biggest it is possible to get is 460 Jan 08 04:24:54 ndnihil: the gun Jan 08 04:25:03 supermagnum: the desert eagle .50 packs a hell of a punch Jan 08 04:25:59 the wrist buster :P Jan 08 04:26:04 heheh Jan 08 04:26:37 I'm a fairly large guy (6'2" 210lbs) and I wouldn't recommend it for anyone smaller than that Jan 08 04:27:20 it's useless in emergency situations Jan 08 04:27:33 i am 185 tall, around 90 kg Jan 08 04:27:48 weighs a metric ton and kicks like a mule Jan 08 04:28:01 makes a very intimidating sound though Jan 08 04:28:53 norwegians are mostly harmless Jan 08 04:29:13 like The Earth ;) Jan 08 04:29:24 every segment of society has its bad apples Jan 08 04:29:58 like the two utterly stupid folks down there in Congo Jan 08 04:30:14 but I would imagine feeling a bit safer in .no, it's too damn cold to go around attacking people :) Jan 08 04:30:57 it can get really cold here.. -40 Jan 08 04:31:13 that's not a pleasant temperature Jan 08 04:33:02 we do not have a lot of gun-realted crime here in norway. the baddest shoot out was in oslo, and that robbery of the mony deposit Jan 08 04:33:40 that in oslo was gang related, the A and B gang.. with 22's Jan 08 04:33:50 biggest threat there is someone stealing your gloves and hat making you freeze to death Jan 08 04:33:52 and NOKAS Jan 08 04:35:07 you are not going to freeze to death by that.. Jan 08 04:35:29 yeah, just enough frostbite to lose your fingers and ears Jan 08 04:35:37 soaking wet and nude in -20, that a different story Jan 08 04:36:28 there are folks here that go skinny dipping in -20 degrees.. brrr... Jan 08 04:36:43 we have a club here called the polar bear club Jan 08 04:36:54 people get together and go swimming in freezing temperatures Jan 08 04:37:06 its just like that Jan 08 04:37:29 http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_04MaLhArkFQ/SodIey3NcbI/AAAAAAAAAKA/036K_7u72JQ/s1600/5488_106117706052_530571052_2707258_5230302_n.jpg guess what that is Jan 08 04:38:11 not enough plumbing to be a still Jan 08 04:38:21 pretty close Jan 08 04:38:25 steam generator for a sauna? Jan 08 04:38:29 beer brevery Jan 08 04:38:31 ah Jan 08 04:39:20 PID controlled temperature, food grade stainless steel, and a magnetic copled pump Jan 08 04:39:41 100 liters max capacity Jan 08 04:40:29 http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_04MaLhArkFQ/SodIfXc8ihI/AAAAAAAAAKI/JVWMyNN9unY/s1600/5488_106117716052_530571052_2707259_1532515_n.jpg Jan 08 04:40:48 looks like nice controllers Jan 08 04:40:59 the big unit is a speed controll, the small one is the PID Jan 08 04:54:23 what kind of tyres do you use ? Jan 08 04:55:03 on the audi? Jan 08 04:55:12 on your car Jan 08 04:55:14 I haven't found street tires I like yet Jan 08 04:55:24 on the jeep I run BFG ATKO's Jan 08 04:55:33 might switch that to the MT though Jan 08 04:55:34 i use these in the winter : http://www.nokiantires.com/tyre?id=11890&group=1.01&name=Nokian%20Hakkapeliitta Jan 08 04:56:22 it doesn't stay frozen over enough here to bother with studs Jan 08 04:57:02 the roads are pretty well plowed and salted Jan 08 04:57:17 so they'd get maybe 2-3 days usage a year Jan 08 04:57:27 not here.. highways are often salted Jan 08 04:57:55 they use common sand on normal roads Jan 08 04:59:41 I'd like to try ice racing Jan 08 04:59:54 thats fun :) Jan 08 05:00:16 I'd have to move a bit further north though Jan 08 05:00:33 try cannada Jan 08 05:12:17 tried to get the local track to let us out in the snow, but they declined Jan 08 05:13:36 why ? Jan 08 05:13:45 for fun Jan 08 05:13:50 slide around the track Jan 08 05:14:23 they didn't want to do it for liability reasons Jan 08 05:14:50 something in their insurance contract states that they will not permit racing in bad weather Jan 08 05:16:23 ah.. "liabillity.. :/ Jan 08 05:17:55 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvDDDKnNhuE Jan 08 05:19:17 no youtube for me at the moment Jan 08 05:19:47 a goy gets scared shitless by a LOW passing spitfire.. Jan 08 05:19:54 ah, seen that one Jan 08 05:20:00 "fuck me, fuck me, fuck me, etc..." Jan 08 05:20:01 almost got a new hairdo Jan 08 05:20:09 yep, that one.. Jan 08 05:21:40 realy nice engine, id like to have one Jan 08 05:22:07 merlin 12cyl if I'm not mistaken? Jan 08 05:22:21 yep Jan 08 05:22:33 redline at 3000 rpm Jan 08 05:23:46 24 lbs of boost i think Jan 08 06:39:41 Hello , how to see files and folder in GUI in SHR ? Jan 08 08:15:36 anyone know if there are any mirrors for the Qt extended 4.4.3 images at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qt_Extended_4.4.3 ? the links are dead Jan 08 08:30:22 what is the best wifi manager for me to install on my shr-t lite to get wep based wifi going ? Jan 08 08:31:05 naught101, I assume you know that QTMoko includes the latest and an X compatibility Jan 08 08:35:43 hipitihop: no, I didn't. thanks.. I haven't even looked at QtMoko yet Jan 08 08:57:16 hipitihop: are you sure you need wifi manager? editing wpa_supplicant.conf is not that bad too. Jan 08 08:59:01 PaulFertser: it is if you're moving around to many different networks Jan 08 09:00:28 naught101: well... I assume yes if you spend more than 20% of time on configuring leaving less than 80% for using :) Jan 08 09:22:08 hello all.. i liked to change my system to ubifs.. is there a tutorial? Jan 08 09:22:52 i've seen the discussion in the mailinglist, but may there's a tutorial with step-by-step-instructions? Jan 08 09:22:59 skamster: only the one on the ML. Jan 08 09:23:05 skamster: what's not clear about it? Jan 08 09:24:30 mh, i don't read them all very exactly :) and it looks like a the reasons to make it better working didn't stop, so i just thinked, may there is a wikipage.. ;) Jan 08 09:25:01 skamster: is there anything openmoko specific in it? Jan 08 09:26:21 mmh, to flash the nand - i don't know exactly, i didn't try it yet - i think so.. qi as example is openmokospecific for me.. (normaly i use grub ;) ) Jan 08 09:27:08 and qi must be changed Jan 08 09:27:11 as i know Jan 08 09:27:18 and as example Jan 08 09:29:46 skamster: but qi does not support jffs2 either Jan 08 09:31:13 ok, yes, but the boot-args are current normaly qi-specific.. as i know, grub, for example, didn't use files in boot for kernel-params Jan 08 09:31:45 and there's also a qi-ubi-version.. don't know why exactly.. http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/?C=M;O=D Jan 08 09:31:49 (on the top) Jan 08 09:33:15 and i also don't know howto flash the nand.. but i will try in next time.. may it isn't very unstable yet? does someone know that? Jan 08 09:33:25 is it useable then as daily-phone? Jan 08 09:34:30 skamster: grub reads kernel parameters fromfile Jan 08 09:35:40 sorry, i meant text-files.. Jan 08 09:36:05 in qi it's a textfile called "append-gta02" or so Jan 08 09:36:11 hm, maybe because "normal" qi cannot read ubifs? Jan 08 09:38:53 (I don't know if it can, but seems plausible that qi doesn't know about a thousand different FSes) Jan 08 09:39:11 but then it also supports jffs2? well, i don't know these things so exactly.. may they've a partition with ext3 or so for the kernel, load this into ram and with the params could the kernel start the sys or the kernel gave the needed support to qi? Jan 08 09:39:25 i don't know the boot-support really good Jan 08 09:39:44 if you boot from flash, the kernel is not read from rootfs but from kernel partition, nor? Jan 08 09:40:12 hm, but where are kernel parameters read from, then? Jan 08 09:40:14 exactly because of this i want to know how stable it is if compared with jffs2 Jan 08 09:40:30 boot-partition? Jan 08 09:40:50 which would that be? Jan 08 09:40:55 mtdblock6 is rootfs Jan 08 09:41:05 (hrmf, no running FR here atm) Jan 08 09:41:08 this would be also possible like jffs2 (if this realy isn't readable by qi) Jan 08 09:41:19 i don't know Jan 08 09:41:21 :) Jan 08 09:41:28 it's just a idea Jan 08 09:41:32 how it may works.. Jan 08 09:41:57 but may dfu-util does extract files? Jan 08 09:42:26 or at least specific, such as .bin? Jan 08 09:42:48 it's not so realistic, but this would be a way..? Jan 08 09:43:20 no idea Jan 08 09:47:07 me also not.. Jan 08 09:47:23 lindi-: qi supports jffs in the sense it passes appropriate arguments to the kernel. So you need custom qi version to use ubifs for rootfs. Jan 08 09:48:23 PaulFertser: ah, hardcoded command line parameters :( Jan 08 09:48:40 PaulFertser: it could read those from fat Jan 08 09:48:47 just like it reads MAC address Jan 08 09:48:47 skamster: dfu-util doesn't extract files. And probably nor u-boot can't flash ubi properly, so one should boot from SD and do it all from the userspace. Jan 08 09:48:55 lindi-: yep, ext2 Jan 08 09:49:21 * Wonka needs to read up on qi Jan 08 09:49:41 mmh, but if there would be a system which loads kernel first from a partition to take the right kernel-module for starting a system on any fs, it would be nice i think.. it use just one bootloader for every system Jan 08 09:49:42 lindi-: the idea was to make it less hassle to support. Probably it should take kernel parameters from some file on factory partition when booting from nand... Jan 08 09:50:00 PaulFertser: but it's not really less hassle :) Jan 08 09:50:08 i know one can have a "/boot" on p1 of sd card and / on another, via appended parameters Jan 08 09:50:19 Wonka: only if you have SD Jan 08 09:50:23 PaulFertser: sounds good Jan 08 09:50:31 lindi-: "on p1 of sd card", yes ;) Jan 08 09:50:47 i have multiple partitions on SD so that i can boot multiple kernels... Jan 08 09:50:57 less hassle indeed :P Jan 08 09:50:57 lindi-: it is if you have to deal with users who can't read/understand u-boot manual :( Jan 08 09:52:49 PaulFertser: is it also possible to start a ubifs-sys from sd-card? Jan 08 09:53:04 to flash the sdcard on the host in a right way? Jan 08 09:54:31 (of course with flashing qi for ubi into the nand, but i mean the system..) Jan 08 09:55:24 Hi Jan 08 09:55:47 with the sense, if it goes really the wrong way, i know how i could make it back to ext3/4, but i don't know the right structure for nand, which is used by dfu-util Jan 08 10:01:22 I played around with some Video Codecs (MPEG4) and it seems to me, that the GPU (glamo) is too weak to decode normal MPEG4 in 640*480, MSMPEG4 seems to work better Jan 08 10:01:45 oh hai... Jan 08 10:01:53 jo Jan 08 10:02:14 Wonka: helped me yesterday to get my FR started Jan 08 10:02:34 till tonight it worked, now it doesn't start anymore Jan 08 10:03:16 MPEG4 with 640*240 seems to have better quality but sometimes the FR drops frames Jan 08 10:03:29 better than 320*240 Jan 08 10:04:06 skamster: sorry, i can't understand you question at all. Jan 08 10:05:11 skamster: you can dfu-util any rootfs on nand any time you want. Jan 08 10:08:53 PaulFertser: is it currently possible to make a ubifs-system on the microsd-card in my moko and start it with flashing just the u-boot-partition on nand with the ubi-qi? Jan 08 10:09:07 with possibility to boot Jan 08 10:09:58 or is there a limitation at the moment which make it just possible to boot a ubifs just from nand? Jan 08 10:10:27 skamster: ubifs (as jffs2) can be used _only_ on raw MTD devices, that is NAND in our case. Jan 08 10:10:50 ah, ok.. Jan 08 10:10:52 :) Jan 08 10:17:54 PaulFertser: and what's your expirience with ubifs now? is it stable as jffs2? Jan 08 10:18:16 (on openmoko) Jan 08 10:18:27 skamster: i haven't tried. But i've neither read nor heard about any instablities with it. Jan 08 10:19:39 ok.. i just read things about it's unstable because of kernel 2.6.32, but i think it's also possible with 2.6.29.. Jan 08 10:22:26 skamster: hm, i'm not sure. Jan 08 10:22:59 PaulFertser,: sorry back now.... Jan 08 10:24:00 PaulFertser: ok, not going to be moving about at all so whatever is the easiest way to config and connect to my AP with WEP Jan 08 10:24:50 hipitihop: i'd say it's manually configuring wpa_supplicant.conf and adding an icon that will do "fso-raw -r WiFi -- wpa_supplicant -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf" and another one that will "pkill -f wpa_supplicant". Jan 08 10:24:56 PaulFertser: mh.. ok, then i let it be for a moment.. the kernel 2.6.32 (from mrmoku) couldn't start gsm Jan 08 10:26:07 skamster: the method to power the chips on/off changed. Jan 08 10:26:23 skamster: and tbh i'm not sure what is there in .32 Jan 08 10:29:54 is there any image for FR I can dd to a SD Card? Jan 08 10:31:45 PaulFertser: moin Jan 08 10:32:13 DocScrutinizer51: moin Jan 08 10:32:21 DocScrutinizer51: any news? Jan 08 10:32:30 not much Jan 08 10:33:17 PaulFertser, seems the standard shr-t has no wpa_supplicant/wpa_suplicant.conf Jan 08 10:33:29 H_u_m: yes. the console image that does the gsm fw flashing Jan 08 10:33:42 hipitihop: well, i mean you just copy it from example of from your laptop or create from scratch. Jan 08 10:33:52 k, looking Jan 08 10:34:17 H_u_m: alternatively, you just create a single ext2 partition on the card and untar the SHR image. Jan 08 10:34:59 k, thx to both Jan 08 10:35:02 PaulFertser, btw, should I really be on shr-u before I settlte things into this shr-t install ? Jan 08 10:35:43 hipitihop: i'm not sure, probably it doesn't matter, you'll just have to save your wpa_supplicant config and icons even if you decide to reflash. Jan 08 10:35:55 hipitihop: so if you're ok with stability and functionality of shr-t you should stay there. Jan 08 10:36:00 PaulFertser: how about booting this image then? wouldn't we need a boot partition? Jan 08 10:36:35 DocScrutinizer51: Qi boots from the first partition it finds /boot/uImage-GTA02.bin on. Jan 08 10:36:53 aah Jan 08 10:37:13 well to be honest not really happy.... seems pretty stable bt I can reguraly crash contacts, still miss calls, some outgoing call atempts just quit the dialer and sometimes incoming sms is delayed for hours Jan 08 10:38:14 hipitihop: i think all you need in wpa_supplicant.conf is this: http://paste.debian.net/56013/ Jan 08 10:38:33 PaulFertser: And I thought uBoot is supposed to do similar. *If* it finds a ext2 with inode size of 128 Jan 08 10:39:03 DocScrutinizer51: well, it depends on u-boot env contents, so i can't predict the behaviour on a random user's device. Jan 08 10:39:21 yes :-P Jan 08 10:39:51 hipitihop: (not happy) i'm still using old shr versions on debian here, guess what _i_ feel. Jan 08 10:40:04 hipitihop: so to say, i've no idea about usability level of current shr-u. Jan 08 10:42:09 srh-t is meant for productive aiui Jan 08 10:42:15 see chan ropic Jan 08 10:42:20 topic Jan 08 10:50:07 PaulFertser, thanks for link, .conf now created... next is to work out how to put new icons on desktop Jan 08 11:03:27 max_posedon: btw, any chance to get news about eMMC issues? Jan 08 14:05:16 PaulFertser, I just don't know for now Jan 08 14:25:29 eMMC issues? Jan 08 14:35:06 max_posedon: just please try to not forget you can help those poor fellows probably. Jan 08 14:36:12 DocScrutinizer51: some guys with SmartQ5/7 were unfortunate enough to get their internal flash inoperable after accidentally draining the battery. There's currently no known way to make it behave again. Jan 08 14:36:38 ouch Jan 08 14:46:31 PaulFertser: frightening note Jan 08 16:00:57 http://www.gpf-comics.com/archive.php?d=20100108 :) Jan 08 16:25:46 Hi PaulFertser Jan 08 16:25:50 can I ask somenthing? Jan 08 16:28:45 in the mach-gta02.c Jan 08 16:28:56 there is the definition of wm8753 Jan 08 16:29:00 as a i2c device Jan 08 16:29:09 but this configuration is only for the gta01 Jan 08 16:29:17 it's necessary Jan 08 16:37:45 pcf50633 can work at 400khz Jan 08 16:37:47 i2c bus Jan 08 16:38:05 so the voltage scaling time increase and can reduce latency Jan 08 16:50:00 Ok it's for gta02 Jan 08 16:50:01 too Jan 08 16:50:10 I need to check if it can accept frequency Jan 08 16:50:14 above 100khz Jan 08 17:51:29 panicking: sorry, i'm not at home atm, can't tell anything sane enough :) Jan 08 17:51:35 panicking: but i'm glad to greet you :) Jan 08 17:52:16 gena2x: well, that's unfortunately how it goes. They can use external SD cards to boot from though. Jan 08 17:56:42 PaulFertser: i just trying to understand nand now and experimenting with ecc a bit. i think without nand one will need to reflash nor to recent uboot Jan 08 17:57:34 gena2x: e Jan 08 17:57:45 gena2x: eMMC problem is on smartq devices Jan 08 17:59:07 PaulFertser: it frights me anyway :) Jan 08 18:16:10 hi Jan 08 18:16:28 hi Jan 08 18:56:39 PBeck|mobile: hi Jan 08 19:57:18 alpha work in progress... I said, for gamers with balls : http://gamerunner.sf.net .. Jan 08 19:59:47 hm, idea good, but what about perfomance in emulators? did you try gba? Jan 08 20:00:08 btw, there is specialized device for that kind of gamers, gp2x :) Jan 08 20:00:37 groszek: or OpenPandora :-) Jan 08 20:01:34 rafa: on what distribution is GameRunner based? or its something like LFS? Jan 08 20:02:10 groszek: I have almost snes9x with proper performance. Now, working in game control for that Jan 08 20:02:49 hm, I know gpsp has a good optimisation for handhelds, it works fine on slower device (motorola e6) Jan 08 20:02:52 Martix: check Documentation, but it is the old Image-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin kernel and Om2008.9-gta02-20081117.rootfs. Jan 08 20:03:09 groszek: let me show you a video of snes9x in my fr Jan 08 20:03:20 I can't really view any videos here Jan 08 20:04:14 groszek: okey :) Jan 08 20:05:04 Martix: of course, we modified it for our purposes, like the web page suggest Jan 08 20:05:05 s Jan 08 20:06:36 we will not stop until we have quake2 and similar :) Jan 08 20:13:05 groszek: gp2x: of course. I guess that all of us have one.. do not you? If no, you can try dingoo first Jan 08 20:13:38 well, I use motorola for handheld gaming Jan 08 20:13:49 snes, gbc, gba ;) Jan 08 20:13:58 and I'm suprised it works much better than on FR.. Jan 08 20:14:07 groszek: any open source cool game ? Jan 08 20:14:17 groszek: did you do the ports for motorola? Jan 08 20:14:21 yes Jan 08 20:14:25 cool Jan 08 20:14:35 well, only emulators, not games Jan 08 20:14:51 as for games, lbreakout2, supertux (probably wont work..), freeciv Jan 08 20:15:01 rafa: you are using old Xglamo, what about xserver-xorg-video-glamo? Jan 08 20:15:13 prboom, wargus Jan 08 20:15:36 groszek: lbreakout2 is in my todo list Jan 08 20:15:39 and some j2me ? Jan 08 20:15:45 that gives a lot of games Jan 08 20:16:32 Martix: old Xglamo in such distro is great. I am not sure if xserver-xorg-video-glamo with such kernel would work well always (rotated, touchscreen press, etc) Jan 08 20:17:31 groszek: I don't know j2me. I mean, I have not used it before. Jan 08 20:17:43 j2me = original cellphone java Jan 08 20:17:48 so java games for phones would work Jan 08 20:18:05 but no idea if there is any j2me VM out there Jan 08 20:18:20 neither I Jan 08 20:18:40 groszek: microemulator Jan 08 20:18:50 groszek: microemulator.sf.net Jan 08 20:18:58 ok ok ;) Jan 08 20:36:55 rafa: just booted :-) Jan 08 20:38:49 rafa: boot time is great, did you many changes to improve boot time? Jan 08 20:39:15 Martix: Was it your first boot? Jan 08 20:39:23 no, second :-) Jan 08 20:39:51 ah.. okey. Yes, because our distro does not have services running or unnecesary stuff for games it boots faster Jan 08 20:40:30 Martix: Pingus has music and sound :) Jan 08 20:40:55 * Martix is playing Q1 right now Jan 08 20:44:00 Matrix. AUX button switch between modes. ANd if you want to set the "home" pos for accelerometers, just put the FR in a comfortable "home" position for you and press the center of the screen. (when you are in mode number 2) Jan 08 20:52:18 rafa: seems like my accelerometers dont do anything Jan 08 20:53:03 btw how I quit Q1? Jan 08 20:53:21 Martix: try to press ESC and go to quit (using mode1). If you can quit then try the game again to check again accel Jan 08 20:53:46 Martix: ESC is 1 (left upper corner) Jan 08 20:54:00 rafa: have the pingus patches been sent upstream? Jan 08 20:54:33 lindi-: we simply modified the sound files with lower quality. I guess that they don't want those Jan 08 20:55:16 rafa: but what about acceelerometer stuff? Jan 08 20:55:46 tried quit and get Q1 leaving message, but nothing more :-) Jan 08 20:55:47 Martix: if you want to read a bit more about the game control there are doc in web page, or just ask me. I would like to help Jan 08 20:56:01 rafa: I ret :-) Jan 08 20:56:06 Martix: just press y, it is the 8 button :) Jan 08 20:56:33 Martix: when you go to quit, and the message asking appears, we need to press the 8 button Jan 08 20:56:45 rafa: ok Jan 08 20:56:54 lindi-: for pingus? it plays just with touchscreen (mouse) Jan 08 20:57:17 ah Jan 08 20:58:10 lindi-: For other games, we have written a simple app to control games. But it is an independent app, so our idea is just to build games and to use this external app to control them. Jan 08 20:58:19 power button could quit running program, like in Om 2007.2 Jan 08 20:58:33 Martix: yeah, I am thinking in that idea Jan 08 20:58:52 Martix: thanks to point it again.. I forgot to add that to my todo list Jan 08 20:59:11 your welcome :-) Jan 08 20:59:31 there are so few buttons that you better make it configurable :) Jan 08 21:04:45 game control switch by AUX should be notified by red LED, 1 blink for mode1, 2 blink for mode2 Jan 08 21:05:13 its more clear which mode is active Jan 08 21:05:33 yeah, it needs some way to report the mode Jan 08 21:05:57 added TODO Jan 08 21:06:08 GJ :-) Jan 08 21:07:57 :-) Jan 08 21:09:59 did you heard about logic game - Fish Fillets NG? Jan 08 21:10:18 http://fillets.sourceforge.net/ Jan 08 21:11:13 I have not played it .. Is it fun?\ Jan 08 21:11:50 I think yes Jan 08 21:12:47 let me try.. Jan 08 22:35:18 hi there. Jan 08 22:35:38 how do I enable the automatic screen rotation? Jan 08 22:37:46 elopio: omrotate or something... Jan 08 22:47:14 I'm running qtmoko, and the battery doesn't seem to want to charge, even with the powersupply.. anyone got any ideas? Jan 08 22:47:56 naught101_: current_now? Jan 08 22:49:16 lindi-: that's a command? Jan 08 22:49:59 sysfs file Jan 08 22:50:32 naught101_: the command "om battey consumption" is not in qtmoko Jan 08 22:51:03 where is it? Jan 08 22:52:34 naught101_: debian Jan 08 22:53:54 hrm.. i just booted with my nokia battery, and it now seems to be charging, so I switched back to the freerunner battery Jan 08 22:54:30 naught101_: FR charges any battery. Jan 08 22:54:51 PaulFertser: so I'd heard Jan 08 22:55:17 naught101_: have you read Battery Questions and Answers wiki page? Jan 08 22:55:26 ~batteryfaq Jan 08 22:55:27 batteryfaq is probably http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers Jan 08 22:57:40 anyone got gcc segfaulting on a debian sid image ? Jan 08 23:05:17 Martix: I tested the image. Accelerometers did not work in the first try with quake1 :( .. but after quit and re start from main GUI it works well. Jan 08 23:05:27 I put a note at web page Jan 08 23:06:06 ok Jan 08 23:08:34 and it happens with all the games which use gamerunner game control.. grrr Jan 08 23:09:07 hi. how can I save settings like 'auto-dim' and 'auto-suspend' ? Jan 08 23:11:53 ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/elementary/c_elementary.so: undefined symbol: elm_list_horizontal_mode_get Jan 08 23:11:55 :( Jan 08 23:14:48 I have SHR unstable Jan 08 23:15:02 and it worked before I have installed and uninstalled some themes Jan 08 23:15:14 also the bottom navigation is messed Jan 08 23:18:50 I can ping my FR, but I can't ssh to it (no route to host). anyone know why that might be? Jan 08 23:19:57 naught101_, haven't you big local network, attached to eth0? Jan 08 23:20:00 are you trying to connect to it from the host where you connect it? Jan 08 23:20:40 max_posedon: no, I'm on wlan, and it's not on 192.169.0.* Jan 08 23:20:49 rhaeder: Jan 08 23:20:51 yes Jan 08 23:21:10 ok, my first thought :) Jan 08 23:21:30 it's possible that networkmanager is messing with the usb0, right? Jan 08 23:22:18 yeah, I think that's it... Jan 08 23:22:44 I know reinstall all packages here, hope that will fix it :/ Jan 08 23:25:44 what's the usb networking device called on the FR? Jan 08 23:57:29 ARRGGH. has anyone managed to get usb networking working simultaneously with networkmanager connecting to an external network? Jan 08 23:57:43 I keep getting Jan 9 10:57:16 naught-laptop NetworkManager: (usb0): carrier now OFF (device state 1) Jan 08 23:57:51 yep. don't ask how Jan 08 23:58:02 DocScrutinizer51: how? :P Jan 08 23:58:25 naught101__, I'm little surprised that you have usb0 on your laptop Jan 08 23:58:28 I really can't recall. Only know it was a *PITA* Jan 08 23:58:57 yeah, I'm seein' that right now Jan 08 23:59:06 naught101__: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Plug-and-Play_USB_Networking Jan 08 23:59:17 I think it's compounded by the fact taht I'm using knetworkmanager... Jan 08 23:59:20 PaulFertser: thanks Jan 09 00:00:24 I think I kicked NM's ass by configuring the usb eth as a standard card in suse yast network management and then ifconfig'd it Jan 09 02:03:46 ok. got that working. Now IP forwarding isn't working. Is there a good reason why commands like: Jan 09 02:03:57 sudo iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 Jan 09 02:04:12 don't seem to modify the nat table? Jan 09 02:04:38 ah, nevermind Jan 09 02:12:04 does someone know a Howto page for setting up opkg repositories? search engines didn't turn up something useful :( Jan 09 02:25:31 opkg install `opkg list |grep "task\-"|grep -v "locale"|grep -v "\-doc"|grep -v "static"|grep -v "\-dev" | grep -v "\-dbg"|grep -v "fonts"|grep -v "minimal"|grep -v "fso-compliance"| cut -d " " -f 1|sort -u|grep cli` Jan 09 02:25:46 cryptic long one :) Jan 09 02:26:25 just replace 'cli' with 'x11', 'base', 'shr' ;) Jan 09 02:27:47 powertop says: Suggestion: Enable the CONFIG_NO_HZ kernel configuration option. This option is required to get any kind of longer sleep times in the CPU. Jan 09 02:28:32 sudo iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 --out-interface wlan0 Jan 09 02:28:52 should be all I need on the host to get my FR to see the 'net, right? Jan 09 02:28:58 yes Jan 09 02:29:11 wait, I have something 'automatic' for you Jan 09 02:29:12 damn Jan 09 02:29:52 it was working in om2008, not in qtmoko Jan 09 02:31:00 http://www.pastebin.org/72829 <-- this is my file "/etc/network/interfaces". I have Debian Unstable here Jan 09 02:31:29 you need to figure out which ethX your FR takes Jan 09 02:31:34 hope that helps :) Jan 09 02:32:21 damn, needed to flash my FR :( Jan 09 02:32:29 I wasted my SHR installation :( :( :( Jan 09 02:32:44 now I need to download a big-fat update ... :D Jan 09 02:35:15 so e.g. when eth2 doesn't work, replace all (!) with the right one Jan 09 02:35:34 naught101__: does this help you? Jan 09 02:35:52 it works perfectly here Jan 09 02:36:44 rhaeder: in the iptables line, is the -s the network of the host<>FR, or the router's network? Jan 09 02:36:55 my router is 10.1.1.1 Jan 09 02:36:57 FR Jan 09 02:37:07 ok, then no, it doesn't work Jan 09 02:37:12 :( Jan 09 02:37:45 my router is at 192.168.1.1 and my host IP is 192.168.1.17 Jan 09 02:38:11 did you a /etc/init.d/networking restart? Jan 09 02:38:14 maybe I need to reboot the host... maybe something's screwed with iptables Jan 09 02:38:28 I did ifconfig usb0 down/up Jan 09 02:38:29 no, just restart the init.d :) Jan 09 02:38:44 on FR? wrong. this needs to be placed on host Jan 09 02:38:58 sorry, my english not perfect :) Jan 09 02:39:02 wait Jan 09 02:39:03 just school english Jan 09 02:39:05 ok Jan 09 02:39:26 I know, I did. I also screwed up my /etc/network/interfaces file... Jan 09 02:39:43 just pastebin it Jan 09 02:41:05 rhaeder: http://www.pastebin.org/72851 Jan 09 02:41:46 is it really usb0? Jan 09 02:41:54 wait, I recall this Jan 09 02:42:10 yeah Jan 09 02:42:25 is cdc_ether loaded? Jan 09 02:42:29 with this, it works here Jan 09 02:42:39 sry, not to mention it. getting late :) Jan 09 02:43:02 I'm living on the other end of the world (in your view: look straight down) Jan 09 02:43:08 rhaeder: yep :) Jan 09 02:43:10 Germany here, 3:43am Jan 09 02:43:12 ;) Jan 09 02:43:22 so, cdc_ether is loaded Jan 09 02:43:24 ? Jan 09 02:43:27 yep Jan 09 02:43:55 http://www.pastebin.org/72852 <-- my output for comparison Jan 09 02:44:01 I can ping FR<>host, and I can ssh host>FR Jan 09 02:44:21 ok Jan 09 02:44:50 that does ifconfig on host say? you should have a device with 192.168.0.200 then? Jan 09 02:44:57 yep, usb0 Jan 09 02:45:00 :( Jan 09 02:45:15 kubuntu karmic, by the way Jan 09 02:45:20 it didn't work here either with usb0, but eth2 Jan 09 02:45:27 may not depend on Jan 09 02:46:06 http://www.pastebin.org/72854 Jan 09 02:46:15 eth2 is my ethernet device for FR :) Jan 09 02:46:52 http://www.pastebin.org/72849 <-- damn spam :( Jan 09 02:47:55 heh Jan 09 02:48:02 I have this in my syslog: Jan 09 02:48:05 Inbound IN=usb0 OUT= MAC= SRC=192.168.0.200 DST=192.168.0.255 LEN=265 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=138 DPT=138 LEN=245 Jan 09 02:48:38 kernel message Jan 09 02:48:46 yupp :) Jan 09 02:48:54 I need to study it a little :) Jan 09 02:48:59 UDP Jan 09 02:49:00 hmmm Jan 09 02:49:26 I don't know what it is Jan 09 02:49:28 does at least "wget http://www.opkg.org -O test.html" work? Jan 09 02:49:41 an Internet protocol, no connections Jan 09 02:50:34 iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 <-- as I get they right, all protocols, or at least UDP/TCP are affected by this rule Jan 09 02:50:50 yeah Jan 09 02:50:51 no routing here?????? Jan 09 02:50:53 wired Jan 09 02:51:00 sorry? Jan 09 02:51:13 no, "iptables -L -n" puts out nothing Jan 09 02:51:20 I don't thinkg opkg.org is resolving Jan 09 02:51:22 ah, it doesn't listen masq Jan 09 02:51:32 hmmm Jan 09 02:52:06 whoa! Jan 09 02:52:10 it's working now Jan 09 02:52:20 /etc/resolv.conf does contain my ISP's IP numbers, hmmm Jan 09 02:52:27 I want 192.168.1.1 Jan 09 02:52:47 I think the post-up iptables command didn't work, but I just did it manually, and it did Jan 09 02:53:14 opkg test file works :) Jan 09 02:53:41 thanks for your help rhaeder. I hope it's fixed for good now Jan 09 02:53:52 no, only temporary Jan 09 02:53:57 I think ;) Jan 09 02:55:54 http://www.pastebin.org/72856 <-- I call this moko.sh Jan 09 02:56:16 I needed to call this before my FR can access internet Jan 09 02:56:29 again, replace eth2 with usb0 :) Jan 09 02:57:31 and, if you have a local DNS server (e.g. dnsmasq or so). then create one Jan 09 02:57:44 and put it next to moko.sh :) Jan 09 02:58:17 http://www.pastebin.org/72859 <-- as a simple example Jan 09 02:58:47 I know, .lan is not valid for local IPs :) I should call it .local **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jan 09 02:59:57 2010