**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 12 02:59:56 2010 Jan 12 03:38:59 hi everyone. Is there a faster way to backup and restore uSD card images other than using dd command? I used the dd with bzip2 and it take 15 mins to create the image and 30 mins to restore it to an 4GB card :( Jan 12 04:05:51 hrm... I just set scaling to 40% in ilume settings in SHR, and now my top bar has disappeared. anyone how to get it back up, or how to change the settings? Jan 12 04:05:56 I tried restarting x Jan 12 04:09:09 can't see the keyboard either Jan 12 04:12:36 naught101__: i think there's a way to use enlightenment_remote to do that Jan 12 04:13:32 naught101__: default 142 i think Jan 12 04:15:53 Undrwater: ok, I'll try to install it Jan 12 04:16:00 what package is it in? Jan 12 04:16:42 should be in e Jan 12 04:16:55 ewm...do a google search for enlightenment_remote Jan 12 04:19:31 wtf.. Jan 12 04:19:32 $ /usr/bin/enlightenment_remote Jan 12 04:19:35 -sh: /usr/bin/enlightenment_remote: not found Jan 12 04:19:41 it IS there, and it's executable.. Jan 12 04:39:01 where are illume settings stored? Jan 12 04:53:33 rm -rf /home/root/.e/e/config/* Jan 12 04:53:45 you could even just blast .e Jan 12 04:53:49 that might do it Jan 12 04:53:57 mumble muble plaintext conf files mumble Jan 12 04:54:01 :D Jan 12 04:54:02 hehehe Jan 12 04:54:25 e is working on configuration ui's that will make things a bit easier Jan 12 04:54:57 but there's logic behind why the graphics get "compiled" Jan 12 04:55:10 speed? Jan 12 04:57:46 it's midly ironic that the only dialogue that's hampered by a small screen size in enlightenment is the "look" settings Jan 12 05:05:40 speed and other things...yeah...it is quite funny Jan 12 05:11:45 is there a way to change the theme of SHR-today? or at least eh background? Jan 12 05:11:53 eh=the Jan 12 05:16:15 not that i know of...used to be a config file...but apparently it will be set in the settings app soon Jan 12 05:16:49 naught101__ : touch the ILLUME, when you see the small, green SHR logo at the top left corner click it, the settings 're there. Jan 12 05:17:43 naquan: yeah, I know, I couldn't find settings for shr-today Jan 12 05:23:03 naquan: unless you're saying that shr-today settings are there? Jan 12 05:25:18 naught101__, Undrwater: it's not there, i'm sorry. Jan 12 05:26:33 no worries Jan 12 14:52:58 anyone know if it is possible to convert opkg files to debian apt-get files ? Jan 12 14:53:56 debian uses .dpkg Jan 12 14:54:21 and yes its possible to convert most group of files into .dpkg Jan 12 14:54:30 s/most group/most any group/g Jan 12 14:55:30 hipitihop: just rename the file. .ipk is just an older version of .deb Jan 12 14:57:03 er, no its not, the structure is quite different if I'm not mistaken Jan 12 14:58:50 ndnihil: both are a data.tar.gz and a control.tar.gz packed in a ar archive Jan 12 14:59:41 .deb is different, but dpkg should be able to understand it Jan 12 14:59:50 I don't think it will Jan 12 15:00:04 one way to find out though Jan 12 15:00:54 :) Jan 12 15:01:08 bear down Jan 12 15:02:05 md5sums are missing in .ipk Jan 12 15:06:43 I'm specifically trying to get http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NIDE/NIDED to run on QtMoko hence my questions Jan 12 15:08:17 I guess more research, I'll google up the differences tomorrow otherwise I might have to get in touch with the author to persuade them to generate in another package format Jan 12 15:09:26 I was assuming that since QtMoko has the x11 compatibility and apt-get that it may be straight forward but perhaps not. Jan 12 15:09:44 hipitihop: the only problem will be, that de depencies are named differently. And dpkg has no option like: -force-depends i think Jan 12 15:10:56 Heinervdm, fair enough, so perhaps I might have to persuade the maintainer to generate another feed Jan 12 15:11:10 extract it and copy the files manually Jan 12 15:12:28 ndnihil, I guess that's possible if internally it is just a tar.. anyway, I'll ponder and attempt that tomorrow. time for bed here... thanks for the help, gnite Jan 12 15:12:45 thanks, Heinervdm Jan 12 15:53:58 does anyone know the AT command to use to get network info (cryption or not) Jan 12 15:58:20 d1b: read the enfora enabler II docs Jan 12 16:15:02 lindi-: mm?? Jan 12 16:15:13 d1b: what's unclear about it? Jan 12 16:15:31 lindi-: i was looking at the gsm stuff on the wiki before Jan 12 16:15:37 isn't it on the om wiki? Jan 12 16:16:14 im confused about what this enfora does... Jan 12 16:17:35 d1b: we don't have permission to make copies to the wiki Jan 12 16:18:18 lindi-: what? Jan 12 16:18:28 wtf? Jan 12 16:18:48 there is a nice gfdl icon and stuff Jan 12 16:18:51 on the om wiki Jan 12 16:18:58 i dno't see where they say otherwise Jan 12 16:19:13 d1b: but enfora enabler documentation is not gfdl :) Jan 12 16:19:36 lindi-: why do i need that? Jan 12 16:19:49 d1b: it describes the AT engineering mode command set Jan 12 16:19:57 lindi-: do i really need those Jan 12 16:20:00 for this... Jan 12 16:20:08 i swear i saw it in one of the releases. Jan 12 16:20:17 om2009 or 2007maybe Jan 12 16:20:32 d1b: i do not know all solutions but this is the one i used Jan 12 16:20:50 lindi-: can you pm me the comand? Jan 12 16:21:08 d1b: i do not have the permission to distribute the documentation sorry :) Jan 12 16:21:13 one line? Jan 12 16:21:16 lol Jan 12 16:21:17 d1b: and i do not remember it by heart Jan 12 16:21:20 k Jan 12 16:21:25 AT%EM=XXX,YYY Jan 12 16:21:36 sure lol Jan 12 16:22:30 lindi-: is there something specific i google for? Jan 12 16:22:58 enfora enabler II? Jan 12 16:23:09 i did... Jan 12 16:23:21 i can't help it if they change their site :( Jan 12 16:23:25 found it Jan 12 16:23:56 btw this command is on the wiki ... Jan 12 16:25:00 ah mm Jan 12 16:36:54 hi guys. Jan 12 16:39:17 I am trying to connect my freerunner with mac os x but it does not work, can someone give me some hints? Jan 12 16:39:53 ~ping Jan 12 16:40:07 I mean the freerunner is recognized and I can add the ip 192.168.0.200 but can't ping 202 Jan 12 16:49:32 ~ping Jan 12 16:49:57 ~ping Jan 12 16:49:59 ~pong Jan 12 16:50:44 ~uptime Jan 12 16:51:42 is someone useing mac anyway? Jan 12 16:52:30 Serdar: i could check tomorrow if i can get access to our unique company's mac. Jan 12 16:52:46 Serdar: I seem to remeber a few howto-macOSX pages on wiki Jan 12 16:53:39 Serdar: basically macOS is a unix. So recommendations for linux might be quite applicable Jan 12 16:53:44 mac should somehow behaves like a BSD and i don't see why it would not work Jan 12 16:53:57 yeah Jan 12 16:54:34 Serdar: what distribution did you install on Freerunner ? Jan 12 16:54:51 I don't see it too, I mean I got it recognized and add the ip 192.168.0.200 Jan 12 16:55:00 try to ping 192.168.0.202 and failed. Jan 12 16:55:13 nullix, Android eclair Jan 12 16:55:33 it works "sometimes" with vboxed ubuntu. Jan 12 16:55:52 well might be android case too... Jan 12 16:55:55 I am new with mac. Jan 12 16:56:21 nullix, I guess it'S a configuration problem Jan 12 16:56:54 I must messed up something with my mac configuration for the ethernet device. Jan 12 16:57:10 Serdar: i try to get access to our mac, but i have a Hackable not an Android Jan 12 16:57:16 I mean I _can_ access with ubuntu on mac/vbox but it does not work well. Jan 12 16:57:40 nullix, it will help, if I can ping at first. Jan 12 16:57:46 I can't ping 202 Jan 12 16:57:49 but 200 Jan 12 16:57:55 but that's correct. Jan 12 17:01:02 btw. is someone going to fosdem10? Jan 12 17:01:08 well it works for me Jan 12 17:01:32 Serdar: do a 'ifconfig' Jan 12 17:01:55 my ifconfig is okac, wait I make a nopaste Jan 12 17:02:01 when i plug usb cable i have a network configuration pop-up to set interface, i select manualy then i use 192.168.0.200 address and 255.255.255.0 netmask Jan 12 17:02:12 http://pastebin.com/m58857849 Jan 12 17:02:31 or even better do a less /var/log/messages or syslog or whatever directly after connecting FR Jan 12 17:02:33 and in a console ping 192.168.0.202 works and ssh root@192.168.0.202 works as well Jan 12 17:03:20 RNDIS/...Gadget? Jan 12 17:04:18 Serdar: that seems to be ok. Jan 12 17:04:23 meanwhile i just deactivated power management Jan 12 17:04:33 Serdar: what's output of 'route' Jan 12 17:04:35 ? Jan 12 17:05:05 only route? Jan 12 17:05:33 only route or sudo route says: usage: route [-dnqtv] command [[modifiers] args] Jan 12 17:06:04 route print Jan 12 17:06:30 (IIRC) Jan 12 17:06:37 (but I'm on the phone so I might be wrong) Jan 12 17:06:42 Serdar: maybe that helps: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/neo-ssh Jan 12 17:08:18 Serdar: obvously you need to either call it via 'sudo neo-ssh (your eth device)' or copy the commands one by one and execute in a rootshell Jan 12 17:08:30 normaly you don't have to add any route since you indicated a netmask taht includes 202 Jan 12 17:09:04 DocScrutinizer51, that don't work here, because of this dev in route: serdar-deres-macbook-pro:tools serdar$ sudo route add -host 192.168.0.202/32 dev en2 Jan 12 17:09:04 route: bad address: dev Jan 12 17:09:06 Serdar: you don't have any firewall tool that prevent traffic to flow through ? Jan 12 17:09:43 nullix, I haven't installed one, so if there is any installed standard, than the answer is no. Jan 12 17:10:01 Serdar: why 'dev' Jan 12 17:10:03 ? Jan 12 17:10:13 your link. Jan 12 17:10:19 it says dev $DEV Jan 12 17:10:22 you have no internal network already set on 192.168. network ? Jan 12 17:10:31 like en0 ... Jan 12 17:10:36 en2 Jan 12 17:10:43 hmm seems your route cmd has a bit differing syntax Jan 12 17:10:54 en0 uses 192.168.2.Y Jan 12 17:10:56 X Jan 12 17:11:25 err I mean en1 en0 is down. Jan 12 17:12:10 Serdar: you might want to man route and adapt the syntax Jan 12 17:13:34 Serdar: sudo route add -host 192.168.0.202/32 en2 Jan 12 17:13:44 without dev Jan 12 17:14:14 seems to be the right syntax for your route. judging by the error it throws Jan 12 17:16:18 ? Jan 12 17:16:33 nullix: ?? Jan 12 17:16:54 i don't see wwhy it does not work Jan 12 17:17:23 it should work as soon as he has right routing Jan 12 17:17:44 i didn't set any routing and it was running straight Jan 12 17:17:44 192,168,0,X is free Jan 12 17:17:59 on macOS? Jan 12 17:18:17 yes on Mac OS-X Jan 12 17:18:34 i jusrt did the test ten minutes ago Jan 12 17:18:53 but with HAckable not with Android Jan 12 17:18:59 well some wicked OM distris run a dhcp client and some macs run a dhcp server. maybe thats why Jan 12 17:20:48 other distros ommit the dhcp client for some reason - mostly memory savings I guess Jan 12 17:21:40 and do not ask me bout android. No support for android here Jan 12 17:23:16 back. Jan 12 17:23:34 sorry, was attacked. Jan 12 17:25:11 it's not a android issue, it works with linux, I am doing something wrong I guess. Jan 12 17:26:22 btw. DocScrutinizer51 the topic don't say that android is forbidden here. Jan 12 17:26:45 it,s not forbidden Jan 12 17:26:59 I just refuse to deal with it Jan 12 17:28:09 though initial port of android to FR was even sponsored by OM, I still vividly dislike android concept Jan 12 17:33:02 there is only onething I don't like and that's their "behind closed doors" stuff. Jan 12 17:33:56 hi juan_arandaalvar Jan 12 17:34:24 Hello Jan 12 17:37:38 Serdar: after failed ping can you do an arp -a ? Jan 12 17:38:56 http://pastebin.com/m755cce Jan 12 17:39:51 brb Jan 12 17:41:52 so Jan 12 17:42:39 uhm i don't know i am surprise that mac@ is same for en2 than for 192.168.0.202 ( it is not the case on my working test ) Jan 12 17:42:59 what is netmask of your en1 ? Jan 12 17:43:29 255.255.255. Jan 12 17:43:31 0 Jan 12 17:43:33 Serdar: i will have to leave within minutes Jan 12 17:43:49 okay Jan 12 17:44:42 i don't see what causes this problem Jan 12 17:44:51 tryy arp -d 192.168.0.202 and ping again Jan 12 17:45:33 same. Jan 12 17:45:50 and arp -a is still with interface mac@ ? Jan 12 17:46:15 well this seems weird Jan 12 17:46:37 ? (192.168.0.202) at 0:1f:11:1:6e:66 on en2 ifscope [ethernet] Jan 12 17:46:40 you mean this? Jan 12 17:47:04 btw. I used the mac system configuration program and there network. Jan 12 17:47:18 yes Jan 12 17:47:34 dhcp with manual address Jan 12 17:47:56 NO DHCP Jan 12 17:48:17 ah Jan 12 17:48:23 i think this is the problem, don't set dhcp Jan 12 17:48:28 okay than manual Jan 12 17:48:55 what did you add in router and dns? Jan 12 17:49:19 nothing yet, useless Jan 12 17:49:29 only ip-address? Jan 12 17:49:32 it is usefull only if you want to provide internt acess to android Jan 12 17:49:45 no I don't Jan 12 17:50:14 so test i tnow, i have really to go Jan 12 17:50:38 nope ping does not work. Jan 12 17:50:46 arp -d 192.168.0.202 and ping again Jan 12 17:51:03 same Request timeout for icmp_seq 1 Jan 12 17:51:08 thanks anyway. Jan 12 17:51:30 unplug & replug Jan 12 17:52:00 same. Jan 12 17:52:02 now i leave, bye Jan 12 17:52:07 adios and thanks. Jan 12 17:52:20 ( i dislike that : not fixing things )... Jan 12 18:59:16 JaMa|W: ping Jan 12 19:02:33 JaMa|W: cancel Jan 12 19:20:41 gena2x: :) Jan 12 19:20:45 gena2x: why cancel? Jan 12 19:21:22 JaMa|W: it's ok, i already found mrmoku and asked all questions on -cdevel :) Jan 12 21:20:39 hi folks, anyone using qtmoko v16 here? Jan 12 21:21:38 me Jan 12 21:23:00 groszek: do you have ssh enabled by default after flashing? I've just flashed v16 but ssh doesn't work :( Jan 12 21:23:10 hm, yes Jan 12 21:23:14 it worked right away Jan 12 21:23:21 can you ping the device? Jan 12 21:23:34 groszek: from my ubuntubox I've done "ssh root@192.168.0.202" Jan 12 21:23:39 groszek: but nothing :( Jan 12 21:23:40 can you ping? Jan 12 21:23:51 do you have routes etc well set? Jan 12 21:24:27 ping 192.168.0.202 doesn't ping :( Jan 12 21:24:42 ip address add 192.168.0.200/24 dev usb0 && ip link set dev usb0 up && route add -host 192.168.0.202 dev usb0 Jan 12 21:24:51 where usb0 is the fr interface Jan 12 21:25:14 groszek: it's very strange cause just a couple of hours ago shr-testing's ssh worked :| Jan 12 21:25:35 ifconfig -a, see where is freerunner, which itnerface Jan 12 21:25:40 and then issue my commands Jan 12 21:25:56 groszek: unplug and replug device? Jan 12 21:26:07 groszek: wait, I'm here Jan 12 21:26:07 that may help too ;] Jan 12 21:26:15 yes you are..? Jan 12 21:26:16 fradeve i mean ;) Jan 12 21:26:19 everything and all well here? Jan 12 21:26:36 i feel like i'm in #maemo ;) Jan 12 21:26:42 lol Jan 12 21:26:50 btw, maemo can already make calls on FR? :] Jan 12 21:27:08 groszek: mer can Jan 12 21:27:15 uhm Jan 12 21:27:55 I feel like I,m not in #mer Jan 12 21:28:07 groszek: yeah, I'm in :D Jan 12 21:28:13 groszek: thanks, really :D Jan 12 21:28:17 good :) Jan 12 21:29:13 fradeve: was it the replug or the oneliner? Jan 12 21:30:01 Undrwater: simply I've forgotten to rewrite /.ssh/known_hosts Jan 12 21:30:29 but the groszek suggestion has been quite interesting, I've automated the ssh process with a little script :) Jan 12 21:30:30 fradeve: ahhh...ok Jan 12 21:30:31 that would fix some different problem, not this one... Jan 12 21:30:41 strange Jan 12 21:31:20 DocScrutinizer51: you bought n900? Jan 12 21:31:23 fradeve: see people.om.org/joerg/unsorted/neo-* Jan 12 21:31:42 Undrwater: alas nobody gave me for free Jan 12 21:32:08 i almost bought...but then found that it doesn't have usb host Jan 12 21:32:33 Undrwater: I don't miss it too much (hm) Jan 12 21:32:34 Undrwater: that's not quite clear yet. Jan 12 21:32:41 SpeedEvil: no? Jan 12 21:32:58 i remember it being advertised... Jan 12 21:33:01 Undrwater: it seems the hardware may be capable - but the software is unimplemented. Jan 12 21:33:05 we still refuse to accept. let,s put it that way Jan 12 21:33:21 At least based on current understanding based on all info. Jan 12 21:33:25 However. Jan 12 21:33:47 It's a big step - though maybe only a few line patch from 'might work' to 'does work' Jan 12 21:33:51 the difference between open and closed hardware becomes quickly apparent ;) Jan 12 21:33:53 SpeedEvil: you talked to paul? Jan 12 21:34:07 Also it is definately less good than the FR in that respect - as there is no power Jan 12 21:34:13 DocScrutinizer: yes - he's unsure too Jan 12 21:34:31 SpeedEvil: no power meaning? Jan 12 21:34:32 he could explain better than me Jan 12 21:34:57 Undrwater: you can connect USB stuff to it. But you need external power. So an external power source. Jan 12 21:35:00 that's why I suggested you query him Jan 12 21:35:33 SpeedEvil: does fR provide power? will any device require power? Jan 12 21:35:42 Currently I'm trying to get round to hunting out datasheets. Jan 12 21:35:43 (external power) much like neo1973 Jan 12 21:36:00 Undrwater: All devices without their own PSU or battery will need power. Jan 12 21:36:19 Undrwater: many devices with external power or batteries need a token power source to recognise USB. Jan 12 21:36:20 lol Jan 12 21:37:52 as a for instance, freerunner will read my usb flash drive...do i understand you to say that even if n900 has host, it will not be able to read my usb flash drive without power? Jan 12 21:38:04 Undrwater: yes. Jan 12 21:38:25 wow...how about serial -> usb device? Jan 12 21:38:26 SpeedEvil: please share all interesting ds you might find Jan 12 21:38:47 DocScrutinizer: sure - I need to chase stuff up. Jan 12 21:39:03 Undrwater: no - nothing that has no internal battery or PSU will work. Jan 12 21:39:35 grrr Jan 12 21:40:03 Undrwater: but almost every random powered hub might cure that Jan 12 21:40:32 DocScrutinizer51: yeah...but what a pita to have to carry that too Jan 12 21:40:44 yes exactly Jan 12 21:41:06 it renders the whole hostmode rather useless Jan 12 21:41:06 maybe i'll stay with openmoko for a while :) Jan 12 21:41:31 good decision as long as you're happy with it Jan 12 21:41:54 i'm getting happier Jan 12 21:42:36 although illume is starting to frustrate me...hoping raster's new partnership will make it more useful for small devices like it is advertised Jan 12 21:42:41 happier = better decission Jan 12 21:43:24 yeah raster is a eyecandy guy. not a minimalist Jan 12 23:19:36 hi guys, is there any GUI to simply configure wifi connection on qtmoko v16? Jan 12 23:23:17 re Jan 12 23:45:08 buttons in contacts got bigger but the button fonts are still too small Jan 12 23:45:27 same in calculator Jan 12 23:58:02 wow.. 167MB .xsession-errors. I'm almost afraid to look at whats in there Jan 13 00:27:18 I need informations about the largeness of the debug board v3 and its extras is. Jan 13 00:27:26 -is **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jan 13 02:59:57 2010