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Jan 16 03:19:08 <pabs3> where does the shr contacts app store its data? I seem to have lost my contacts when I switched from shr-unstable to shr-testing
Jan 16 04:05:56 <Serdar> hi
Jan 16 04:06:06 <Serdar> I am trying to build qi.
Jan 16 04:06:20 <Serdar> err do I get qi support here anyway?
Jan 16 04:09:03 <pabs3> only if you ask a question :)
Jan 16 04:10:54 <Serdar> If I try this: make CPU=s3c2442 I get the error: include/qi.h:26:27: error: asm/byteorder.h: No such file or directory
Jan 16 04:11:05 <Serdar> the question is, where is it looking?
Jan 16 04:11:33 <Serdar> or better, which byteorder.h does it need, that from host or target toolchain?
Jan 16 04:12:38 <pabs3> Serdar: looks like you need the Linux headers installed
Jan 16 04:12:56 <pabs3> /usr/include is the standard location, unless you are using a cross-compiler
Jan 16 04:12:57 <Serdar> for host, they exist.
Jan 16 04:13:58 <pabs3> yeah, you'll need ones for the freerunner
Jan 16 04:14:09 <Serdar> there is a byteorder.h at /usr/include/asm
Jan 16 04:14:55 <Serdar> how can I say in the Makefile, where it need to look for these stuff?
Jan 16 04:15:06 <Serdar> or add a new include.
Jan 16 04:15:24 <Serdar> it's something -L but I don't know in which flag.
Jan 16 04:16:57 <pabs3> if you're running make on the host, make CROSS_COMPILE=....path-to-cross-compiler should do it
Jan 16 04:17:33 <pabs3> if on the FR, perhaps make CPPFLAGS=-I/path/to/linux/headers
Jan 16 04:24:21 <Serdar> I try CPPFLAGS.
Jan 16 05:37:57 <Psi_> hm.. where is the etk theme settings stored
Jan 16 05:38:27 <Psi_> i changed it using the gui to something that doesnt have the option to change it back
Jan 16 05:38:33 <Psi_> need to change it back manually
Jan 16 05:45:47 <DocScrutinizer51> Psi_: I suggest you check Home for files with correponding mtime
Jan 16 05:47:32 <DocScrutinizer51> prolly somewhere in ~/.e/
Jan 16 05:51:18 <Psi_> thanks
Jan 16 06:12:53 <Broam> That was...interesting. My FreeRunner A7 actually worked...as a phone.
Jan 16 06:13:09 <Broam> small wonder. :)
Jan 16 06:15:02 <Psi_> what battery life you getting?
Jan 16 06:15:26 <Broam> so far, haven't really mucked with that...this is first day I've used my SIM
Jan 16 06:15:42 <Broam> A7, Euro version (yes I'm in US, yes I know what I got into)
Jan 16 06:16:23 <Broam> Psi_: short version: not enough data. I've owned the phone for maybe 2 weeks and haven't had lots of time to play
Jan 16 06:16:48 <Psi_> ah
Jan 16 06:17:29 <Broam> flashed to Qi (that was surprisingly easy)...SHR unstable on uSD (boot time is scary long), Om 2008? on nand
Jan 16 06:27:35 <Broam> Anyway, it's 0127 here, maybe I'll start hanging out here more often since initial success worked.
Jan 16 06:27:44 <Broam> ttyl
Jan 16 06:36:55 <BillK> whats a jpeg viewer for shr-testing? - hav lots of photos I want to display on the FR
Jan 16 06:37:47 <pabs3> BillK: om-neon is awesome
Jan 16 06:37:51 <DocScrutinizer51> I actually honestly need to check eventually why TF *so many* users switch to Qi. Even almost 0-day. Probably I'll find a wikipage telling scaring lies which I had to edit.
Jan 16 06:38:11 <BillK> tkx
Jan 16 06:38:33 <pabs3> DocScrutinizer51: switching from uboot to qi fixed WSOD for me
Jan 16 06:38:50 <DocScrutinizer51> pabs3: ooh. 
Jan 16 06:38:51 <BillK> DocScrutinizer51: because if we used u-boot we were supposed to be using old/unsupported software and were
Jan 16 06:38:52 <pabs3> thats the only reason I stayed with it
Jan 16 06:39:12 <BillK> to be ostracised by andy
Jan 16 06:39:36 <pabs3> I prefer u-boot because I need the menu though. Qi's press aux to skip a partition is acceptable tho
Jan 16 06:40:07 <DocScrutinizer51> interesting. WSOD *should* be fixed in kernel space, according to my recommendations which are a year old now
Jan 16 06:40:29 * pabs3 wonders if newer kernels are in the pipeline for SHR
Jan 16 06:41:12 <DocScrutinizer51> pabs3: of course
Jan 16 06:41:40 <DocScrutinizer51> shr comes with new kernels and modules rather frequently
Jan 16 06:41:55 <DocScrutinizer51> see KMS
Jan 16 06:43:35 <DocScrutinizer51> Weiss (iirc) plans to finally implement sane LCM suspend (err actually powerdown) handling according to my recommendation
Jan 16 06:43:47 <pabs3> hmm, ok. I only see 2.6.29 in the repos
Jan 16 06:44:48 <DocScrutinizer51> hmm' 31 will take a few more weeks. Mickey hopes for 31 very much, for devtmpfs
Jan 16 06:45:01 <pabs3> not .32?
Jan 16 06:45:17 <DocScrutinizer51> err maybe
Jan 16 06:45:21 <pabs3> anyway, off to dinner in windy Wellington, later
Jan 16 06:45:28 <DocScrutinizer51> too late here ;-)
Jan 16 06:46:02 <DocScrutinizer51> night
Jan 16 09:03:30 <naught101> where is the stupid green "contact" alien image stored in SHR?
Jan 16 09:07:55 <Weiss> pabs3: probably I'll skip forward to 2.6.32 for KMS
Jan 16 10:27:45 <Psi_> pabs3: you going to LCA2010?
Jan 16 10:28:14 <pabs3> yep
Jan 16 10:28:20 <Psi_> same
Jan 16 10:28:33 <pabs3> one day of cold, wind & rain until it starts
Jan 16 10:28:41 <Psi_> heh
Jan 16 10:28:57 <pabs3> any idea if there will be an openmoko BoF or something?
Jan 16 10:29:24 <Psi_> ive not heard of one
Jan 16 10:29:44 <pabs3> nothing on the wiki either 
Jan 16 10:30:06 <Psi_> you got gta01 or 02?
Jan 16 10:30:21 <pabs3> 02, with SHR and Debian
Jan 16 10:31:21 <Psi_> 01 with SHR
Jan 16 10:31:33 <Psi_> i should try debian sometime
Jan 16 10:32:37 <pabs3> Debian isn't really usable as a phone, no-one has packaged SHR or other dialer/sms UIs yet
Jan 16 10:32:52 <Psi_> yeah, im just curious how debian works
Jan 16 10:33:01 <Psi_> im hoping 240x320 might work
Jan 16 10:33:08 <Psi_> doesnt work in shr on gta01 at all
Jan 16 10:34:23 <Psi_> ive only ever seen 240x320 work on gta01 back on OM2007
Jan 16 10:35:19 <Psi_> be nice if i could get some movies playing on the phone
Jan 16 10:35:42 <Psi_> gta01 just cant handle 480x640 movies
Jan 16 10:36:08 * pabs3 hasn't actually tried that
Jan 16 10:38:28 <josch> if mpeg2 encoded qvga movies are possible on gta01
Jan 16 10:39:07 <josch> but only if the output doesnt have to be scaled or rotated
Jan 16 10:39:37 <Psi_> i can play movies at 240x320 on gta01 at 480x640 with black bands, seems to play fine
Jan 16 10:39:39 <pabs3> be nice if the glamo could be programmed with new codec support
Jan 16 10:39:45 <Psi_> so native 240x320 should work
Jan 16 10:40:39 <Psi_> its too small to actually watch tho
Jan 16 10:41:07 * josch watched 300 on it :P
Jan 16 10:42:26 <ThibG> video playback? Never ever tried :o
Jan 16 10:42:59 <gena2x> wish mplayer compatible with Thomas White work...
Jan 16 10:45:57 <josch> well you dont want to watch videos on your phone anyways
Jan 16 10:46:19 <josch> at least nothing like a movie or series
Jan 16 10:46:29 <josch> youtube clips maybe
Jan 16 10:46:35 <Psi_> na, i disagree
Jan 16 10:46:44 <Psi_> id love to be able to watch a tv ep every now and then
Jan 16 10:47:00 <Psi_> if im getting bored waiting for something
Jan 16 10:47:03 <josch> i just find the screen to small to enjoy it
Jan 16 10:47:30 <gena2x> screen is good for train
Jan 16 10:47:31 <Psi_> buy one of those US$4K micro laser projector kits and duct tape it on :P
Jan 16 10:48:05 <josch> sure - if the neo had any kind of video output...
Jan 16 10:48:15 <Psi_> heh
Jan 16 10:48:34 <Psi_> you'd probably drain the battery in 10min anyway
Jan 16 10:49:00 <josch> not on gta01
Jan 16 10:49:12 <Psi_> you're right, 5min then
Jan 16 10:49:21 <josch> no
Jan 16 10:49:31 <josch> gta01 has no powered usb
Jan 16 10:49:46 <Psi_> true
Jan 16 10:49:47 <gena2x> hm... actually never tries
Jan 16 10:49:54 <gena2x> tried
Jan 16 10:50:39 <gena2x> but why? it should not drain in 10min, as all is done in hw, only sound should eat 10-15 cpu
Jan 16 10:50:59 <josch> haha
Jan 16 10:51:16 <josch> gena2x: i think Psi_ spoko of a connected projector ;)
Jan 16 10:51:23 <Psi_> ^^
Jan 16 10:51:32 <gena2x> :)
Jan 16 10:51:59 <josch> and 10min battery life is not possible anyways since there is no way to make the gta01 consume that much power
Jan 16 10:52:12 <gena2x> you might get accamultors case with your
Jan 16 10:52:22 <josch> everything switched on and cpu at 100% makes it long for around 4h
Jan 16 10:52:45 <josch> gena2x: and what do you think is done in hw?
Jan 16 10:53:04 <josch> gena2x: additionally sound eats up much more than 10-15 cpu - where do you live?
Jan 16 10:53:08 <gena2x> josch: on gta01? nothing :)
Jan 16 10:53:39 <gena2x> josch: in Russia, freerunners are eating 10-15 for mp3 :)
Jan 16 10:53:43 <Psi_> http://www.microvision.com/pico_projector_displays/pek.html
Jan 16 10:53:58 <tg> uu
Jan 16 10:54:20 <gena2x> i can check actually....
Jan 16 10:54:34 <Psi_> i must say tho, i do love the speakers in gta01,  mm.. stereo
Jan 16 10:54:57 <gena2x> headphones are better in train:)
Jan 16 10:55:08 <Psi_> heh yeah
Jan 16 10:55:27 <Psi_> but its nice to have stereo wave/mp3 as a ringtone, it just sounds better
Jan 16 10:57:02 <josch> gena2x: on gta01 with mplayer mp3 playback is around 80-90%
Jan 16 10:57:05 <josch> just tested
Jan 16 10:57:16 <gena2x> I think you using wrong codec
Jan 16 10:57:19 <H_u_m_> Psi_: mplayer on gta02: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Hum#video_playing.2Fencoding
Jan 16 10:57:29 <SpeedEvil> josch: not with teh right one
Jan 16 10:57:32 <Psi_> yeah, it uses much less than 80-90 when ya do it properly
Jan 16 10:57:38 <SpeedEvil> josch: more like 15-20% IIRC
Jan 16 10:57:50 <josch> SpeedEvil: what is the right one?
Jan 16 10:57:52 <SpeedEvil> ~80%@60MHz
Jan 16 10:57:58 <SpeedEvil> tremor?
Jan 16 10:58:06 <josch> tremor is for vorbis
Jan 16 10:58:13 <SpeedEvil> something like that - it's an integer math mp3 codec
Jan 16 10:58:19 <SpeedEvil> libmad
Jan 16 10:58:22 <SpeedEvil> It's been a while
Jan 16 10:58:52 <Psi_> yeah, mplayer is probably emulating a fpu and using that
Jan 16 10:59:06 <pabs3> mplayer's ffvorbis codec is teh suxzor
Jan 16 11:02:42 <SpeedEvil> http://www.mauve.plus.com/mplayer or http://www.mauve.plus.com/mplayer1 - are the binaries of mplayer I have in my backup. - one IIRC works with low CPU usage.
Jan 16 11:02:49 <SpeedEvil> will take a couple of mins to upload
Jan 16 11:02:49 <SpeedEvil> more like 10
Jan 16 11:03:28 <gena2x> omg, mplayer is not in the active processes list in top
Jan 16 11:03:49 <gena2x> if i am using -ac ffmp3
Jan 16 11:04:31 <gena2x> with nodebug/nopreempt kernel
Jan 16 11:06:06 <josch> gena2x: awesome with ffmp3 cpu usage is down to 40%
Jan 16 11:08:28 <gena2x> josch: anyway, too much
Jan 16 11:09:04 <josch> hehe
Jan 16 11:09:10 <SpeedEvil> Both files uploaded now
Jan 16 11:09:20 <SpeedEvil> they are somewhat old - so there may be ABI changes or stuff
Jan 16 11:09:53 <gena2x> josch: no, real fun - really 0% mplayer :)
Jan 16 11:10:21 <gena2x> josch: sometimes 0.3%
Jan 16 11:10:34 <josch> gena2x: when playing mp3 on gta01?
Jan 16 11:10:43 <gena2x> josch: gta02
Jan 16 11:10:46 <josch> hah :P
Jan 16 11:11:01 <gena2x> but cpus are same
Jan 16 11:11:07 <josch> nearly
Jan 16 11:11:09 <gena2x> and not hwmp3 i think?
Jan 16 11:11:28 <josch> the socs are different
Jan 16 11:11:35 <josch> and gta02 is more powerful
Jan 16 11:12:04 <SpeedEvil> Only twice.
Jan 16 11:12:13 <SpeedEvil> And the FPU IIRC is identical
Jan 16 11:12:14 <gena2x> someone should build nodebug kernel for gta01 to make users happy :)
Jan 16 11:12:45 <badcloud> anyone available to help me? I'm trying to compile 'remind' and it doesn't seem to be working
Jan 16 11:13:26 <badcloud> I went according to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain#How_to_create_your_own_project_from_the_sample_project
Jan 16 11:14:15 <badcloud> http://pastebin.com/m6434a22b
Jan 16 11:15:03 <Psi_> SpeedEvil: heh, 'mplayer' caused signal 11 in ao2_init   'mplayer1' just segfaulted
Jan 16 11:16:11 <badcloud> http://pastebin.com/m5d7a6550
Jan 16 11:16:35 <gena2x> hmmmmmm.. something really wrong with top
Jan 16 11:17:03 <gena2x> while playing one file, it shows no mplayer at all, while playing other one - 10%.
Jan 16 11:17:14 <gena2x> bitrate should be bery similar
Jan 16 11:17:43 <gena2x> while all other processes look fine. Someone cheating :)
Jan 16 11:18:24 <badcloud> ...
Jan 16 11:18:31 <H_u_m_> maybe use some open music, everybody is allowed to dl
Jan 16 11:18:46 <gena2x> or just one of mp3s have some 'ideal' bitrate
Jan 16 11:19:01 * Psi_ ---> bed
Jan 16 11:19:03 <Psi_> nite
Jan 16 11:19:04 <SpeedEvil> Psi_: -ao help - and then pick one - if it gets that far
Jan 16 11:19:04 <gena2x> in fact music i listen is free to download
Jan 16 11:19:05 <SpeedEvil> night
Jan 16 11:19:33 <H_u_m_> gena2x: ah, k
Jan 16 11:19:42 <gena2x> time mplayer -really-quiet -ac ffmp3 ... mp3
Jan 16 11:19:47 <gena2x> real    2m36.815s
Jan 16 11:19:48 <gena2x> user    0m3.410s
Jan 16 11:19:48 <gena2x> sys     0m0.330s
Jan 16 11:20:30 <josch>            ************************************************
Jan 16 11:20:31 <josch>            **** Your system is too SLOW to play this!  ****
Jan 16 11:20:31 <josch>            ************************************************
Jan 16 11:20:32 <josch> hehe
Jan 16 11:20:59 <gena2x> really 300/159=2,5% average
Jan 16 11:21:10 <gena2x> for one file
Jan 16 11:22:30 <gena2x> i mean 400/159 in fact
Jan 16 11:22:55 <gena2x> while real    2m45.688s
Jan 16 11:22:55 <gena2x> user    0m22.990s
Jan 16 11:22:55 <gena2x> sys     0m0.350s
Jan 16 11:23:01 <gena2x> for other one
Jan 16 11:23:09 <gena2x> ~10% average
Jan 16 11:25:12 <gena2x> oh, clean it's '64.0 kbit/8.33%' mp3 vs '96.0 kbit/6.80%'
Jan 16 11:25:23 <gena2x> and 96 one is faster :)
Jan 16 11:25:52 <gena2x> hm.....
Jan 16 11:38:56 <badcloud> could anyone tell me where I slipped? I'd love to start packaging .ipk's
Jan 16 11:40:09 <badcloud> http://pastebin.com/m6434a22b
Jan 16 11:40:11 <badcloud> http://pastebin.com/m5d7a6550
Jan 16 12:22:21 <PBeck> hi
Jan 16 12:24:58 <badcloud> hey, pb
Jan 16 12:26:24 <badcloud> maybe you could help me. have you tried the om toolchain yet?
Jan 16 12:32:58 <Heinervdm> badcloud: for what distri do you want to build?
Jan 16 12:33:58 <badcloud> Heinervdm: I guess I don't have a good answer for that. I'm trying to compile the 'remind' application for use in shr/om
Jan 16 12:34:37 <badcloud> this is the error I get when I try to 'make': Makefile:499: *** missing separator.  Stop.
Jan 16 12:35:09 <badcloud> om-conf seems to work without a hitch apart from 'configure: WARNING: unrecognized options: --enable-mainainer-mode'
Jan 16 12:36:46 <badcloud> Heinervdm: thoughts?
Jan 16 12:37:37 <Heinervdm> badcloud: if you want to build an app for shr, then the om toolchain is mostly outdated
Jan 16 12:37:48 <Heinervdm> it links against the wrong libs
Jan 16 12:38:12 <badcloud> I see
Jan 16 12:38:25 <badcloud> I couldn't find the shr-t/u toolchain anywhere
Jan 16 12:39:05 <Heinervdm> for SHR you should use bitbake
Jan 16 12:39:28 <Heinervdm> http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Howto%20get%20my%20application%20in%20the%20SHR%20feed
Jan 16 12:43:39 <badcloud> thanks
Jan 16 12:43:55 <badcloud> can't wrap my head around bb
Jan 16 12:46:52 <badcloud> which file do the lines SRC_URI etc. belong to?
Jan 16 16:08:41 <Laibsch> Hi
Jan 16 16:08:51 <Laibsch> What's up with http://proejcts.openmoko.org?
Jan 16 16:08:56 <Laibsch> is that still maintained?
Jan 16 16:09:22 <PaulFertser> Laibsch: well
Jan 16 16:09:41 <PaulFertser> Laibsch: there're basically two guys who has admin access
Jan 16 16:09:47 <PaulFertser> Laibsch: community members
Jan 16 16:09:51 <PaulFertser> Laibsch: not much free time 
Jan 16 16:09:54 <PaulFertser> etc etc
Jan 16 16:09:59 <PaulFertser> Better to use github or whatever
Jan 16 16:14:02 <Laibsch> OK, thanks
Jan 16 16:14:06 <Laibsch> It's not really for me
Jan 16 16:14:20 <PaulFertser> Laibsch: what is not for you?
Jan 16 16:14:22 <Laibsch> I'm making sure all recipes we have in OE actually do fetch correctly
Jan 16 16:14:28 <Laibsch> ^
Jan 16 16:15:11 <PaulFertser> Laibsch: i see. Probably it worth making a list of all project authors to mail them asking to move away from projects.openmoko.org
Jan 16 20:02:37 <alabd> Hello , A7 has Buzz , is it possible or it is A6 ?
Jan 16 20:03:48 <PaulFertser> alabd: how exactly do you say it has buzz?
Jan 16 20:04:49 <alabd> paul with and without headphone for both there is the similar buzz
Jan 16 20:05:12 <PaulFertser> alabd: do you hear the buzz or does the other side hears buzz?
Jan 16 20:05:32 <alabd> the other side
Jan 16 20:07:10 <PaulFertser> alabd: with wired headset the other side will hear the buzz with any revision, that's known.
Jan 16 20:07:59 <alabd> yes here fr has without headphone also 
Jan 16 20:08:09 <alabd> inside mic 
Jan 16 20:08:21 <PaulFertser> alabd: with A7 the other side shouldn't hear GSM buzz. But if the mixer settings are wrong, the other side might hear sound distortion of any kind, probably they misintepret it for the gsm buzz, no?
Jan 16 20:08:40 <sifr> hello
Jan 16 20:09:23 <sifr> i was wondering if anybody is using freerunner a7?
Jan 16 20:09:41 <alabd> sifr:  why  ? hello 
Jan 16 20:10:19 <sifr> well im thinking of getting it but im not sure how mature it is atm
Jan 16 20:10:50 <PaulFertser> sifr: if you love tinkering, it's ok. If not -- probably you want to choose something more user-friendly.
Jan 16 20:11:10 <alabd> PaulFertser:  maybe humble heard buzz myself and it is the same as headphone buzz 
Jan 16 20:11:34 <PaulFertser> alabd: no, the gsm buzz is something that only the other side hears.
Jan 16 20:11:36 <alabd> PaulFertser:  which parametere of alsamixer exactly you mean ?
Jan 16 20:11:47 <groszek> alabd, if you have shr, there are two volumes on the phonecall screen. I had simillar problem, lowering those helped, and made the sound brilliant on both sides
Jan 16 20:11:49 <PaulFertser> Oh, that's a very complicated topic...
Jan 16 20:12:00 <alabd> PaulFertser:  humble mean myself was on 2 side
Jan 16 20:12:33 <sifr> i do like tinkering however i would want it to work as a phone by default atleast. do you guys use it as your primary phone?
Jan 16 20:12:36 <groszek> um, if you keep both phones close, then all phones will get this problem… not just fr
Jan 16 20:12:59 <alabd> groszek:  no that like 
Jan 16 20:13:28 <groszek> it's like getting microphone close to the speaker it uses :)
Jan 16 20:13:35 <alabd> groszek:  anyway which one mic or speaker volume ?
Jan 16 20:13:54 <groszek> I lowered both to about 1/3
Jan 16 20:14:10 <alabd> groszek: thanks 
Jan 16 20:14:32 <groszek> try playing with those, you should be able to get results you want
Jan 16 20:15:36 <alabd> groszek:  ok will be tested later thanks
Jan 16 22:23:39 <blodge> hey my freerunner won't turn on.  its been in the attic for 3 months.  now nothing :(  any ideas?  tried charger + batt, charger, batt.  
Jan 16 22:25:10 <max_posedon> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Battery
Jan 16 22:25:15 <max_posedon> What to do if your battery has become completely discharged
Jan 17 00:21:34 <DocScrutinizer> strange enough we got back our beloved apt
Jan 17 00:21:57 <DocScrutinizer> ~botsnack
Jan 17 00:21:58 <apt> DocScrutinizer: thanks
Jan 17 02:27:34 <Termana> I know the GTA02 recently showed up in Linus' tree - from researching I also found out that the touchscreen driver hadn't been merged - however has the GSM part been merged or is the driver closed for this (more importantly, the GPRS part)? I know the GSM firmware part is closed, but I couldn't find any information regarding the kernel driver.
Jan 17 02:53:11 <mwester> Termana,  the GSM is attached via ordinary serial port, no special driver is required.
Jan 17 02:56:36 <Termana> mwester - meaning any kernel should be able to use the GPRS functionality? (as long as serial drivers are compiled in I assume)
Jan 17 02:56:48 <mwester> of course
Jan 17 02:57:24 <mwester> GPRS and all handling of the GSM is done in user space; no special kernel drivers required at all.
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