**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 21 02:59:56 2010
Jan 21 03:12:00 <naquan> oh god, it work ! abiword can run on SHR,  although it crash enlighment and i must restart the phone but it work now.
Jan 21 06:53:33 <Wonka> emk: glück gehabt, 7:29 ist ausgefallen
Jan 21 06:54:25 <Wonka> emk: trotzdem pech: 7:59  hält in hassee, den bus 8:8 kann ich vergessen
Jan 21 06:54:38 <Wonka> emk: 8:::18
Jan 21 06:55:06 <bar_code> Good morning Germany!
Jan 21 06:55:53 <Wonka> oops. echan.
Jan 21 10:26:51 <DocScrutinizer> moin
Jan 21 11:05:46 <white_gecko> hello i have updated my shr and can't shut it down now
Jan 21 11:06:22 <white_gecko> because shutdown -h now says -sh: shutdown: not found
Jan 21 11:07:13 <white_gecko> a ls -la in /sbin/ tells me "shutdown -> shutdown.sysvinit", but there is no shutdown.sysvinit
Jan 21 11:53:29 <white_gecko> ok i have found that there is a problem with runlevel not found
Jan 21 11:53:52 <white_gecko> did anybody else has this problem?
Jan 21 12:01:44 <white_gecko> ok there is a script /usr/sbin/update-rc.d and in line 173: runlevel: not found
Jan 21 12:02:13 <white_gecko> if i try to run the comand "runlevel" i get also a not found
Jan 21 12:02:34 <white_gecko> how can i get the comand runlevel back?
Jan 21 12:03:47 <gena2x> white_gecko: which distibution you using
Jan 21 12:03:56 <white_gecko> shr
Jan 21 12:04:07 <white_gecko> i have found the bug report now http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/728
Jan 21 12:04:15 <gena2x> :( on debian it is in sysvinit package
Jan 21 12:06:26 <white_gecko> hm yes and i think it should be also in shr in sysvinit
Jan 21 12:07:14 <gena2x> mb try to list files in package and reistall it somehow
Jan 21 12:07:36 <Heinervdm> white_gecko: you somehow have the wrong sysvinit package
Jan 21 12:14:31 <white_gecko> ok the simple trick is to echo "N 5" from /bin/runlevel
Jan 21 12:19:57 <JaMa|Off> white_gecko: which of this dirs do you have? /usr/lib/opkg/alternatives /usr/lib/opkg/alternatives*backup /usr/lib/ipkg/alternatives /usr/lib/ipkg/alternatives*backup ?
Jan 21 12:20:44 <white_gecko> i just run a --force-overwrite :-) wait i'll tell you as it is ready
Jan 21 12:23:27 <octavsly> question. just updated to the latest version and the phone is stuck. I notice the nice top-left red blinking fast. Is this a kernel crash?
Jan 21 12:24:05 <white_gecko> latest version of SHR?
Jan 21 12:24:09 <octavsly>  yes
Jan 21 12:24:46 <white_gecko> hm i've read at my problem http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/728, that the latest SHR is broken
Jan 21 12:25:30 <octavsly> pressed the bottom-right button to shut-it down, the "suspend/power-off / cancel" menu appeared then it got stuck. the last update was one week ago and it was working very good. I will have a look at yourt ticket
Jan 21 12:25:57 <octavsly> this seems to be an old ticket
Jan 21 12:26:40 <octavsly> USB is also not working. I will just reboot.
Jan 21 12:26:45 <white_gecko> JaMa|Off: i have all of these directories
Jan 21 12:27:15 <octavsly> I was just curious about fast blinking red 
Jan 21 12:27:23 <white_gecko> octavsly: maybe it sounds like this http://wiki.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Tidbits
Jan 21 12:27:23 <octavsly> 4times/sec
Jan 21 12:27:32 <JaMa|Off> white_gecko: that's really strange.. in "fixed" situations /usr/lib/ipkg/alternatives would be missing
Jan 21 12:27:51 <JaMa|Off> white_gecko: -force-reinstall opkg too
Jan 21 12:27:58 <octavsly> I had USB
Jan 21 12:27:59 <white_gecko> octavsly: http://wiki.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Tweaks#Systemlackslotsoffunctionalityafterakernelupdate
Jan 21 12:28:00 <JaMa|Off> white_gecko: and then sysvinit/busybox too
Jan 21 12:28:02 <octavsly> it is just stuck now
Jan 21 12:28:18 <octavsly> removing battery :-)
Jan 21 12:28:19 <white_gecko> JaMa|Off: ok i will do it
Jan 21 12:28:45 <white_gecko> JaMa|Off: but my system does update-alternatives now
Jan 21 12:31:58 <white_gecko> JaMa|Off: http://pastebin.com/m7fe305a6
Jan 21 12:38:10 <JaMa|Off> white_gecko: that's all?
Jan 21 12:39:09 <white_gecko> JaMa|Off: no muche more alternatives
Jan 21 12:39:28 <white_gecko> now i'm reinstalling sysvinit and busybox
Jan 21 12:46:59 <white_gecko> i don't have shutdown in sysvinit
Jan 21 12:47:20 <white_gecko> http://pastebin.com/m562f10e1
Jan 21 12:47:32 <white_gecko> where can i get a working sysvinit for shr?
Jan 21 12:57:19 <octavsly> white_gecko: thanks for the link. I presume that this is done automatically after kernel update
Jan 21 13:15:23 <white_gecko> i try to install sysvinit now from testing instead of unstable, but get an problem because of the checsum
Jan 21 13:15:32 <white_gecko> checksum
Jan 21 13:16:01 <white_gecko> how can i do the update for a package, which i get directly from the web
Jan 21 13:21:38 <gena2x> in fact, in shr this might be busybox
Jan 21 13:21:44 <gena2x> don't really know.
Jan 21 13:23:02 <gena2x> but JaMa knows, be sure
Jan 21 14:52:15 <DocScrutinizer> SORRY TO EVERYBODYFOR THE INCONVENIENCE. i NEED TO SET CHANNEL TO +R TEMPORARILY. PLEASE REGISTER AND IDENTIFY YOUR NICK TO NICKSERVER (/msg nickserver help)
Jan 21 15:27:50 <DocScrutinizer> @all: please read http://blog.freenode.net
Jan 21 15:28:39 <Weiss> ick :(
Jan 21 15:29:01 <Weiss> my ignores are working so well that I took a little while to figure out what was going on..
Jan 21 15:42:43 <DocScrutinizer> direct link for those who just need a little help to do the right thing: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
Jan 21 18:41:18 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: was there an attack at #openmoko? i guess i missed it due to netsplit, that's the reason my trigger didn't work.
Jan 21 18:48:44 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: not sure about it. Seems it's been netsplit here as well ('just' a netsplit)
Jan 21 18:49:06 <PaulFert`> DocScrutinizer: Should -R be set now that all is quite?
Jan 21 18:49:26 <DocScrutinizer> not sure about all being quite
Jan 21 18:49:37 <DocScrutinizer> quiet?
Jan 21 18:49:43 <PaulFert`> Yeah, my typo
Jan 21 18:50:47 <DocScrutinizer> anyway +R shouldn't hurt as users are supposed to see the recommendations in /topic and joinmsg and eventually should adopt the purpose to register to nickserv anyway
Jan 21 18:52:10 <PaulFert`> DocScrutinizer: all that *Serv stuff does not really fit irc tradition. I can imagine old-timers being very unhappy if it was made mandatory.
Jan 21 18:53:46 <PaulFert`> IRC is a cult technology
Jan 21 18:53:50 <DocScrutinizer> I'm planning to remove +R in 11 days the latest when freenode moves to new server sw. This new sw should deal with the nasty CTCP attacks quite good so we don't need it anymore
Jan 21 18:54:38 <PaulFert`> Having all those bots taking care of the channel, connected to various servers to avoid netsplits, channel hijaking etc, etc.
Jan 21 18:54:57 <DocScrutinizer> for now I'd like to keep it for as long as we don't have a really reliable way to stop the whole chan going down by everybody getting kicked due to answering those CTCP version queries
Jan 21 18:55:35 <PaulFert`> I can understand those who do not want any nasty server-side bots to be on the channel, and those who do not want to block public ctcps.
Jan 21 18:56:00 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFert`: aiui your "bot" will get kicked by any chan CTCP flood you're not +o
Jan 21 18:56:12 <PaulFert`> Well, if somobody's kicked because he answers ctcp, not a big deal, it's not kline.
Jan 21 18:56:58 <PaulFert`> It wasn't kicked during the floods i saw on other channels. The channel ops were fast enough to block the threat probably :)
Jan 21 18:57:09 <DocScrutinizer> well this is probably what causes servers going down -> netsplit
Jan 21 18:57:31 <PaulFert`> I can have a separate irssi instance to monitor only #openmoko-* so i won't get kicked.
Jan 21 18:58:00 <DocScrutinizer> that'd be sufficient for me to onsider -R
Jan 21 18:58:37 * ndnihil uses irssi anyway
Jan 21 18:59:03 <PaulFert`> Hm, not right now anyway, too tired to do it properly.
Jan 21 18:59:21 <PaulFert`> it's interesting, is irssi any better than weechat?
Jan 21 18:59:36 <ndnihil> I like it
Jan 21 18:59:50 <ndnihil> haven't used weechat though
Jan 21 19:00:04 <ndnihil> I came from old ircii though
Jan 21 19:02:05 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFert`: consider to auto-empower via chanserv in your script. Once it works you're free to -R
Jan 21 19:02:30 <DocScrutinizer> bot here and cdevel
Jan 21 19:02:36 <DocScrutinizer> both here and cdevel
Jan 21 20:38:56 <badcloud> hey all
Jan 21 20:39:08 <badcloud> let me say, shr-u... wow
Jan 21 20:39:31 <badcloud> GREAT improvements
Jan 21 20:40:03 <JaMa> :)
Jan 21 20:40:40 <badcloud> where are the hw buttons defined?
Jan 21 20:42:36 <max_posedon_> badcloud, improvments in which version?)
Jan 21 20:42:53 <max_posedon_> Am I have them if I updated 2 days ago?)
Jan 21 20:44:36 <badcloud> no, I went from testing to unstavle
Jan 21 20:44:39 <badcloud> *ble
Jan 21 22:01:22 <vininim> I think I broke my freerunner screen
Jan 21 22:26:21 <SpeedEvil> vin: :(
Jan 21 22:48:49 <vininim> SpeedEvil: well, it was the longest alive cellphone I had =), time to lurk gta2-core
Jan 21 22:49:43 <SpeedEvil> gta02-core - is essentially dead AIUI
Jan 21 22:50:09 <SpeedEvil> It would require funding of a substantial slice of a million to generate a first batch of phones at a sane price.
Jan 21 22:50:28 <SpeedEvil> And n900 has decapitated the market.
Jan 21 22:50:44 <SpeedEvil> however - gta02-core isn't something I've been following.
Jan 21 22:50:44 <DocScrutinizer51> ooohohoh good wpwrak isn't around :-P
Jan 21 22:51:07 <Wonka> I'd like SHR and debian on Nexus...
Jan 21 22:52:54 <vininim> woah.. n900 manages to be more expensive than fr
Jan 21 22:53:01 <CVirus> lol
Jan 21 22:53:04 <CVirus> way more expensive
Jan 21 22:54:46 <SpeedEvil> I afforded mine partially by slashing food bill to 1/2. 
Jan 21 22:54:56 <SpeedEvil> OTOH - now 15kg down.
Jan 21 23:01:06 <DocScrutinizer51> it's quite funny how N900 is hyped in #openmoko channels and in #maemo channels they ask how to run maemo on FR   X-P
Jan 21 23:01:44 <DocScrutinizer51> same time
Jan 21 23:11:07 <SpeedEvil> I do want to run other OSs on n900 - including shr/... 
Jan 21 23:11:09 <SpeedEvil> but...
Jan 21 23:13:02 <DocScrutinizer51> stskeeps is you man
Jan 21 23:13:07 <DocScrutinizer51> your
Jan 21 23:13:51 <DocScrutinizer51> maybe even me in a while
Jan 21 23:13:54 <SpeedEvil> Way too much boring stuff.
Jan 21 23:14:05 <SpeedEvil> I spent today fixing kitchen cupboards.
Jan 21 23:48:32 <Undrwater> can one use tar to unpack an ipk?
Jan 21 23:51:49 <pespin> Undrwater, you have to use "ar" AFAIR
Jan 21 23:53:03 <Undrwater> pespin: that's right...:) thanks
Jan 21 23:53:39 <pespin> np :)
Jan 21 23:57:13 <Undrwater> *wipes brow*
Jan 21 23:57:57 <DocScrutinizer51> use mc. more convenient
Jan 21 23:58:25 <Undrwater> mc?
Jan 21 23:58:53 <DocScrutinizer51> midnight commander known by name of mc
Jan 21 23:59:56 <Undrwater> DocScrutinizer51: i've heard of it...but never used it...is it avail on the phone?
Jan 22 00:00:27 <DocScrutinizer51> yup but soemwhat awkward for the portrait mode
Jan 22 00:00:37 <Undrwater> :D
Jan 22 00:01:20 <DocScrutinizer51> great when ssh to the device though
Jan 22 00:01:43 <DocScrutinizer51> or when using 2pt charfont and a loupe
Jan 22 00:02:17 <Undrwater> hmmm...magnifier attachment for case...it'll sell like hotcakes!
Jan 22 00:02:21 <DocScrutinizer51> or even landscape mode and a mc setup for single window display
Jan 22 00:04:00 <DocScrutinizer51> hint: the F-keys in mc can be emulated by ESC+[0-9]
Jan 22 00:04:47 <DocScrutinizer51> uh forgot
Jan 22 00:05:13 <DocScrutinizer51> s/landcape/ external kbd and landscape/
Jan 22 00:05:13 <Undrwater> :D
Jan 22 00:05:39 <DocScrutinizer51> or literki
Jan 22 01:53:15 <JairunCaloth> heyas, has anyone tried running openmoko on the nexus one yet?
Jan 22 01:53:47 <SpeedEvil> 'running openmoko on foo' - generally means several hundred hours work first.
Jan 22 01:57:33 <JairunCaloth> makes sense, that was probably a pretty noobish question
Jan 22 01:58:14 <JairunCaloth> I guess more then anything I was curious if anyone had started even messing with it.
Jan 22 01:58:31 <SpeedEvil> No idea.
Jan 22 01:58:46 <SpeedEvil> googling openmoko "nexus one" might be a worthwhile start.
Jan 22 01:59:48 <JairunCaloth> mostly get hits on news about the nexus one...
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